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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    I expected to see Claude on this list, but then I remembered he isn't famous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I expected to see Claude on this list, but then I remembered he isn't famous.

      I guess we do have something in common after all.



      Guys, have you noticed the common thread in all these stories? These people all took hits, devastating ones. But ambition and drive can accomplish just about anything.

      This is from memory, from the book Think And Grow Rich..
      "There may be no heroic connotation to the word persistence. But the quality is to the character of man what carbon is to steel"
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I guess we do have something in common after all.
        You also expected to see yourself on the list and then remembered that you aren't famous?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          You also expected to see yourself on the list and then remembered that you aren't famous?
          No, quite the opposite. I expected to see my name on the list, and then remembered that I'm not famous.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            No, quite the opposite. I expected to see my name on the list, and then remembered that I'm not famous.
            Precisely.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Precisely.
              So, you're finally admitting that what I said was precisely correct? It's about time you recognized my genius...my famous genius.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                So, you're finally admitting that what I said was precisely correct? It's about time you recognized my genius...my famous genius.
                Well, only a genius would quote himself in his sig line.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  Well, only a pompous, egotistical, self centered, delusional blowhard would quote himself in his sig line.
                  There. I feel better now....

                  I mean...

                  "There. I feel better now" -Claude Whitacre
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I guess we do have something in common after all.



        Guys, have you noticed the common thread in all these stories? These people all took hits, devastating ones. But ambition and drive can accomplish just about anything.

        This is from memory, from the book Think And Grow Rich..
        "There may be no heroic connotation to the word persistence. But the quality is to the character of man what carbon is to steel"
        How many people failed without ever succeeding? We only hear of the "winners".


        There's also the opposite...see Baby Doe Tabor and the Matchless Mine.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          How many people failed without ever succeeding? We only hear of the "winners".


          There's also the opposite...see Baby Doe Tabor and the Matchless Mine.
          We only hear of the winners because there's nothing noteworthy or inspirational about losers. The Baby Doe story is just downright depressing.
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          • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            The Baby Doe story is just downright depressing.
            omc, Bambi has me bawlin' evry time.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But, if the person has intelligence and desire, my experience is that eventually they will be successful.

            Short men with goatees are the exception.
            Ditto Sean Penn when he went all hirsutely ultrastoopid.
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          • Profile picture of the author alistair
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            We only hear of the winners because there's nothing noteworthy or inspirational about losers. The Baby Doe story is just downright depressing.
            Have you ever heard of Eddie the Eagle Edwards? They just made a film about him. He was famous for being a loser, and somewhat of an inspiration apparently.


            Jimmy White, one of the best snooker players of all time. Played in the world final six times but never won it. I suppose you might call him a loser in that respect, but anybody that knows anything about snooker would call him a legend.


            Then there's this. He came dead last.


            And I'm sure there's plenty more examples of losers that are either noteworthy or inspirational.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by alistair View Post

              Have you ever heard of Eddie the Eagle Edwards? They just made a film about him. He was famous for being a loser, and somewhat of an inspiration apparently.



              Jimmy White, one of the best snooker players of all time. Played in the world final six times but never won it. I suppose you might call him a loser in that respect, but anybody that knows anything about snooker would call him a legend.



              Then there's this. He came dead last.


              And I'm sure there's plenty more examples of losers that are either noteworthy or inspirational.
              lol ... never heard of Eddie the Eagle until I saw a trailer and didn't get inspired enough to want to know more about him.

              Also never heard of the rest of your examples.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Eddie the Eagle I know well, he came last in the downhill ski jump in a 1970's Winter Olympics event. No one expected any Brit to get anywhere (or even bother entering) in that competition. It was well sown up by the Europeans.

                He was a have a go guy though and everyone admired his pluck and spirit. For a while he was quite the TV celebrity.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Eddie the Eagle I know well, he came last in the downhill ski jump in a 1970's Winter Olympics event. No one expected any Brit to get anywhere (or even bother entering) in that competition. It was well sown up by the Europeans.

                  He was a have a go guy though and everyone admired his pluck and spirit. For a while he was quite the TV celebrity.
                  ... and that is why I don't know or care to know who he is. I deplore sports of all kinds and people playing games, no matter how well or poorly, don't inspire me.

                  Hooray for Eddie the Eagle ... he came in last. lol. yawn.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    ... and that is why I don't know or care to know who he is. I deplore sports of all kinds and people playing games, no matter how well or poorly, don't inspire me.

                    Hooray for Eddie the Eagle ... he came in last. lol. yawn.
                    I am disappointed that my excellence in the broad jump and the breast stroke don't impress you in the least. :-(

                    Cheers. - Frank
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                      I am disappointed that my excellence in the broad jump and the breast stroke don't impress you in the least. :-(

                      Cheers. - Frank

                      ... a world class breast stroke might interest me.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        ... a world class breast stroke might interest me.
                        I'll go wash my hands.
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                        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I'll go wash my hands.
                          Good idea. I'm pretty sure that we know where they have been, but of course, only one would have been required for the job at hand. (See what I did, there?)

                          Cheers. - Frank
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            Good idea. I'm pretty sure that we know where they have been, but of course, only one would have been required for the job at hand. (See what I did, there?)

                            Cheers. - Frank
                            It takes me two hands.....to handle the tweezers.
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                            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              It takes me two hands.....to handle the tweezers.
                              So how do you hold the..... Oh I see, you have magnifying lenses in your glasses.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            Good idea. I'm pretty sure that we know where they have been, but of course, only one would have been required for the job at hand. (See what I did, there?)

                            Cheers. - Frank
                            (second time I quoted this, because I have a funnier post)

                            Frank; Why did you do this? You mentioned a breast stroke, and Suzanne mentioned that she would like someone...anyone with expertise, to stroke her breasts. I ,a happily married man, who has never cheated on his wife, then volunteered to do my duty...with a woman I have never seen...and never met.

                            So, apparently, Suzanne and I have agreed to fly cross country...to perform this meaningless act of physical contact.

                            And you just made the whole thing tawdry. Shame on you.
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                            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              (And you just made the whole thing tawdry. Shame on you.
                              And yet, you PM me, thanking me. Too, funny!

                              Cheers. - Frank
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                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        ... a world class breast stroke might interest me.
                        You've come to the right place. I can provide many references and glowing testimonials. :-)

                        Additionally, I can offer you a Warrior Forum discount.

                        The only stipulation is that you sign a letter stating that you won't try to camp in my yard. It's already full.

                        Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author alistair
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                lol ... never heard of Eddie the Eagle until I saw a trailer and didn't get inspired enough to want to know more about him.

                Also never heard of the rest of your examples.
                I'm sure none of them have heard of you either.

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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by alistair View Post

                  I'm sure none of them have heard of you either.
                  You are correct. I'm sorry ... did I say I was famous or a celebrity of any kind? I didn't think I did, but you put forth examples of people who you believe to be inspirational in some way.

                  Of course, they were all people who play games. I think I mentioned that I am not a sports fan of any kind of sports (and we've covered the breast stroke thing too). Therefore, I wouldn't be aware of any of your examples of accomplishment and inspiration.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          How many people failed without ever succeeding? We only hear of the "winners".
          Absolutely. Also, these stories are written only after the person is a great success. So there is some "dramatization". Some of these stories are greatly slanted for dramatic contrast.

          I also imagine (meaning I don't know), that for every "failure to success" story, there are several stories that are more like, "He was a great student, always worked hard, made money from an early age, always applied himself, and got rich in the process".

          See? We can't cheer for that guy. And these stories need to be written so you can cheer for the person.

          Now that I've said that, there are also bright people that have lots of advantages, that fold the first time they have a challenge. Maybe these people greatly outnumber the successes.

          There are also success stories where luck was the major factor, or they built a business where the demand was rising already,or where they had technology that matched someone else's invention........The right place at the right time.

          But, if the person has intelligence and desire, my experience is that eventually they will be successful.

          Short men with goatees are the exception.

          Added later; I read the Baby Doe Tabor story. Yeah, Riches to rags stories are also out there. And to me, are more motivational.

          I'm not rich, but I'm comfortable. At a speech, someone asked me, "How did you develop your desire to be rich?'

          I said, "I never had a desire to be rich. I just knew I hated being poor. " And that was my motivation.
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          • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Absolutely. Also, these stories are written only after the person is a great success. So there is some "dramatization". Some of these stories are greatly slanted for dramatic contrast.

            I also imagine (meaning I don't know), that for every "failure to success" story, there are several stories that are more like, "He was a great student, always worked hard, made money from an early age, always applied himself, and got rich in the process".

            See? We can't cheer for that guy. And these stories need to be written so you can cheer for the person.

            Now that I've said that, there are also bright people that have lots of advantages, that fold the first time they have a challenge. Maybe these people greatly outnumber the successes.

            There are also success stories where luck was the major factor, or they built a business where the demand was rising already,or where they had technology that matched someone else's invention........The right place at the right time.

            But, if the person has intelligence and desire, my experience is that eventually they will be successful.

            Short men with goatees are the exception.

            Added later; I read the Baby Doe Tabor story. Yeah, Riches to rags stories are also out there. And to me, are more motivational.

            I'm not rich, but I'm comfortable. At a speech, someone asked me, "How did you develop your desire to be rich?'

            I said, "I never had a desire to be rich. I just knew I hated being poor. " And that was my motivation.
            I personally Like rag to rich stories because they have this sexy "you can do it to" tone that makes me think I can be a millionaire buying some obscure program or course.

            Sometimes its good to emotionally masturbate.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

              I personally Like rag to rich stories because they have this sexy "you can do it to" tone that makes me think I can be a millionaire buying some obscure program or course.

              Sometimes its good to emotionally masturbate.
              I enjoy them too. But my inner drive was to avoid being poor, rather than being rich. I was running from, rather than running to.

              The "rags to riches" stories sell courses. And I've read a few hundred biographies of great business people. They are motivational and instructional.
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            • Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

              Sometimes its good to emotionally masturbate.
              Ha!

              I have yet to encounter any kinda self-administered swellsome that is entirely without feelin'.

              What a weird thing it would be to finger on your flippies in the absence of divine sensation.

              That said, I perfectly understand the distinction between physical pleasure an' emotional bondin' here, an' I guess when you are flyin' solo, evrythin' cool about bringin' yourself off gotta be balanced against any kinda mutual unfoldin' you got no idea about until Mr or Mrs Right sloopydoops all over your previously personal discourse.

              yy, I shoulda left it at "Ha!" -- but I do not believe I speak an untruth here.
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              Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

              Sometimes its good to emotionally masturbate.
              Only if you enjoy second-best.

              Cheers. - Frank
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Only if you enjoy second-best.

                Cheers. - Frank
                Better than nothing
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                  Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                  Better than nothing
                  Actually, that kinda is 'nothing.'

                  Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          How many people failed without ever succeeding? We only hear of the "winners".


          There's also the opposite...see Baby Doe Tabor and the Matchless Mine.
          No, there was someone in Talk and Grow Rich, who developed a device that could detect oil reserves under the ground.

          To make a long story short no one would touch it, and he caught a train home, but at the station his device went berserk, but he smashed his device, since he was at rock bottom, and had enough.

          Then someone else, eventually found one of the biggest oil reserves in the US, in the same place.

          The trouble with hitting rock bottom is you don't know if it will continue indefinitely?

          But it usually clears away the crap, and allows you to see opportunities you wouldn't have seen.

          And be in the right place at the right time!

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  • It was once said of me (and I quote from repeated echoes of fammo verbatim) that I was an oooby flooby dibbly dooby wooby boomy floopi poopichoops kinda snoopster— which is why I frickin' rebelled, an' developed a masterful penchant for the double O.

    The beauty of these stories is how they figure on exotic possibilities flyin' in the face of hammer-crush certainties.

    I would wish always to respect beauty terra firma, but always to blaze into air with heart from offa such a launchtastic feeloscape.

    It is monstrous presumption for all now here to oversee, in all entirety, future direction of innocent heart, but it also our responsibility to flick on the latest take in our glorious story for the benefit of all potential 'allherenowsters'.

    Gotta want any small step out to propel you into remarkability of empty oblivion rather than pull back from the PREVIOUSLY VIEWED with ever atrophied Yousome.

    I am so fulla Spring right now, but I so also so wanna smoochie.

    *nits tits pits glitz schmits writs hits flits ditz*
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    Judging by some of these failures, the best thing you might hope to be when you grow up is a failure. lol



    Henry Ford

    Ford's first two automobile companies failed. That did not stop him from incorporating Ford Motor Company and being the first to apply assembly line manufacturing to the production of affordable automobiles in the world.

    Ludwig van Beethoven

    Before the start of his career, Beethoven's music teacher once said of him "as a composer, he is hopeless." And during his career, he lost his hearing and yet, he managed to produce great music.

    J. K. Rowling

    At one point in her life, Rowling was nearly penniless, depressed, divorced and had to raise her child on her own. While writing the manuscript of Harry Potter, she was on welfare. Adding to that, 12 publishers rejected the manuscript.
    She created Harry Potter, a global brand estimated to be worth $15 billion today.




    Isaac Newton

    Many thought that Isaac was born a genius, but he wasn't! When he was young, he did very poorly in grade school, so poor that his teachers gave up on improving his grades. The greatest English mathematician of his generation, his work on optics and gravitation made him one of the greatest scientists the world has ever known.

    Stephen King


    His first book, Carrie was rejected 30 times. He proceeded to throw it in the trash. It was his wife who retrieved it from the trash and encouraged him to try again. He's the king of horror and his books have sold more than 350 million copies worldwide.



    Edison developed many devices which greatly influenced life in the 20th century. Edison is considered one of the most prolific inventors in history, holding 1,093 U.S patents to his name. When he was a boy his teacher told him he was too stupid to learn anything. When he set out on his own, he tried more than 9,000 experiments before he created the first successful light bulb.

    Steven Spielberg


    As an American film director, he has won 3 Academy Awards and ranks among the most successful filmmakers in history. Most of all, Steven was recognized as the financially most successful motion picture director of all time. During his childhood, Spielberg dropped out of junior high school. He was persuaded to come back and was placed in a learning-disabled class. He only lasted a month and then dropped out of school forever. He was rejected both times he applied to attend film school at University of Southern California (USC). That didn't stop him. Spielberg has grossed $8.5 billion from films he directed.


    Oh, and after Spielberg became famous, USC awarded him an honorary degree, and Spielberg later became a trustee of the university.

    Bill Gates

    Bill Gates was a Harvard dropout. He co-owned a business called Traf-O-Data, which was a true failure.

    However, skill and a passion for computer programming turned this failure into the pioneer of famous software company Microsoft ,and the then 31-year-old into the world's youngest self-made billionaire.
    In his own words: "It's fine to celebrate success but it is more important to heed the lessons of failure."


    Vincent Van Gogh

    During his lifetime Vincent Van Gogh suffered mental illness, failed relationships, and committed suicide at the age of 37.
    He only ever sold one painting in his life, pinning him a failure as an artist.


    Charles Schultz's drawings were rejected by his high school yearbook. Schultz went on to create Peanuts (featuring Snoopy and Charlie Brown). The cartoon and licensing/product revenue from Peanuts generated over $1 billion a year. The high school eventually put a statue of snoopy in the main office.


    The Beatles were rejected by numerous record labels including Decca Records, which said, "guitar groups are on the way out" and "the Beatles have no future in show business." The Beatles did wind up getting signed by a record label. The Beatles sold more singles in the UK than anyone else, and the Beatles have moved more units in the US (more than 177 million) than any other group.


    Colonel Harland Sanders was a 6th grade dropout. When he was 65, a new interstate highway diverted traffic away from his restaurant leaving Sanders with only his secret fried chicken recipe and a Social Security check. So he began selling his recipe and franchise idea. According to the news, he was rejected over 1,000 times. Then he found a partner with whom he build the KFC franchise powerhouse (over 15,000 restaurants).


    Mary Kay Ash sold books door to door while her husband served in the military. When her husband returned from duty, they divorced. Ash was left with three children at a time when divorce wasn't acceptable.
    Ash was frustrated when passed over for a promotion because she was a woman. So, she and her second husband planned a business, Mary Kay Cosmetics. One month prior to launch her husband died.
    With a $5,000 investment from her oldest son, Ash launched her business. Forbes reported 2014 revenue as over $3.5 billion.

    After only seven and a half months, Oprah Winfrey was fired from her job co-anchoring the 6pm news at Baltimore's WJZ. Something about not being the right fit.About another news job Oprah said:
    "I once went back ... after covering a family that had been burned out and brought them some of my blankets and stuff. And the assistant news director ... told me ... that if I did that again and they found out about it, I could be fired, because I was involving myself in other people's stories. Which is true, you're there to cover the story, not get involved in it..."
    Oprah became a media billionaire, hosted the highest ranked TV show of it's kind in history, and is an incredible philanthropist - getting involved in other people's stories to help them.

    Jack Canfield was rejected 144 times before he found a publisher for his book, Chicken Soup for the Soul. When Jack told the publisher he wanted to sell 1.5 million books in the first 18 months, the publisher laughed and said he'd be lucky to sell 20,000.That first book sold more than 8 million copies in America and 10 million copies around the world. Canfield's book brand is now a $1 Billion brand.


    Milton Hershey's chocolate business was his third. The first two went bankrupt. His perseverance led to enormous wealth and philanthropy. Hershey established the Milton Hershey School for at-risk children, and a foundation to provide opportunities to residents of Hershey, PA.

    Lady Gaga was dropped by Def Jam records after only 3 months. She went on to become one of the best selling artists of all time with 6 Grammy Awards and 13 MTV Video Music Awards. She is also an activist donating money and support for natural disaster victims, LGBT rights and vulnerable youth.

    Madonna dropped out of college, moved to NYC and quickly lost jobs at Dunkin Donuts and as a hat check woman at the Russian Tea Room. She wound up supporting herself through $7 per hour nude modeling gigs.

    Madonna still pushed for a career as an artist, and she succeeded. She has sold more than 300 million albums worldwide. Madonna is the best-selling female recording artist of all time.


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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Madonna dropped out of college, moved to NYC and quickly lost jobs at Dunkin Donuts and as a hat check woman at the Russian Tea Room. She wound up supporting herself through $7 per hour nude modeling gigs.

      Hm. Clever way to get strippers at a discount rate.
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    Claude was demoted from sales training for causing an earthquake in the office.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      But that failure was an opportunity, he went on to try his luck at book publishing.

      And he was an all time best seller, at least his Mother thinks so, and she has the 20 shipping containers to prove it.





      And someones all time favourite...



      He was almost over his donut addiction at this point, and his acting career was taking off.

      Well, he took off from the airport, for a donut ad?

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    You are correct. I'm sorry ... did I say I was famous or a celebrity of any kind? I didn't think I did, but you put forth examples of people who you believe to be inspirational in some way.

    Of course, they were all people who play games. I think I mentioned that I am not a sports fan of any kind of sports (and we've covered the breast stroke thing too). Therefore, I wouldn't be aware of any of your examples of accomplishment and inspiration.
    I never said I found them inspirational. Anyway, I'm not surprised you hadn't heard of any of them, but you have now.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I never said I found them inspirational. Anyway, I'm not surprised you hadn't heard of any of them, but you have now.
      Actually, I haven't. I didn't watch the videos and without going back to your post, I don't know who you were talking about. A cursory glance, noting that they were all sports related, was all I gave the post. When it comes to sports, I have my fingers in my ears and go la la la la la. lol.
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    Then you can't say you haven't heard of any of them if you didn't look to see who they were, that's just telling porky pies. Anyway, the point is proven that even "losers" can be noteworthy or inspirational. Game, set, and match.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      Then you can't say you haven't heard of any of them if you didn't look to see who they were, that's just telling porky pies. Anyway, the point is proven that even "losers" can be noteworthy or inspirational. Game, set, and match.
      I don't have a problem with people being sports fans or being inspired by losers. Different strokes for different folks.
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      • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I don't have a problem with people being sports fans or being inspired by losers. Different strokes for different folks.
        I am still cool for breast stroke though.

        You pierced my defenses with that one.

        Guess the deal is, Whatto's original list features falures who won out whereas Alistair is talkin' about a kinda heroic umderdog grit independent of victory.

        It is a shame there is no stroke for that.

        I would love to glide through the water doin' the heroic underdog gritstroke.
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  • Jus' buttin' in to head off any doggy paddle jokes.

    I do not want anyone makin' assholes of themselves by bein' so lame, an' I am cool to take one for the team, such is my underdog grit.
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