I'm a little scared...

MissTerraK 8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Would it help If Claude went along for the ride?

I would never ask him to be away from his new kitty for that long, lol!

Terra
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Mark Singletary

8 years ago

Good luck. I'm sure things will work out for the best.

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

I have disk problems and it took a neurosurgeon to fix the pain. Voltaren. It's a miracle anti-inflammatory. After 1 1/2 years of excruciating pain, being diagnosed by a moron for a "pulled hamstring" (which I didn't have), this neurosurgeon did some tests and prescribed Voltaren. Within hours, and I mean hours, most of the pain gone. Within a couple of days, all of the pain gone. My mother had a similar condition and I gave her some. She was on the couch for a year. The day I gave it to her, she got up off the couch. Within days, she was back to normal.

Now I take it when I overwork my back and feel the strain as a preventive measure. Ask your doctor for it. It is completely non-narcotic.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I have disk problems and it took a neurosurgeon to fix the pain. Voltaren. It's a miracle anti-inflammatory. After 1 1/2 years of excruciating pain, being diagnosed by a moron for a "pulled hamstring" (which I didn't have), this neurosurgeon did some tests and prescribed Voltaren. Within hours, and I mean hours, most of the pain gone. Within a couple of days, all of the pain gone. My mother had a similar condition and I gave her some. She was on the couch for a year. The day I gave it to her, she got up off the couch. Within days, she was back to normal.

Now I take it when I overwork my back and feel the strain as a preventive measure. Ask your doctor for it. It is completely non-narcotic.

I'm not sure if I have a slipped disk. The x-ray report said the disc was intact and the L-4 vertebrae itself had slipped onto L-5 vertebra. Someone should probably order a MRI.

Anyway, thanks, I'm going to ask my doctor about it!

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I'm not sure if I have a slipped disk. The x-ray report said the disc was intact and the L-4 vertebrae itself had slipped onto L-5 vertebra. Someone should probably order a MRI.

Anyway, thanks, I'm going to ask my doctor about it!

Terra

It doesn't matter what the diagnosis is. Voltaren isn't specific to any one condition. It is specific to all inflammation including herniated and slipped disks, arthritis, headaches, pulled muscles .... if it hurts and there's inflammation, it will probably fix it so that you are in a great deal less pain. Your doctor still may recommend surgery. I'm sure a few surgeons would have loved to open up my back, but it has not been necessary at all.

If you've been prescribed ibuprofen, they are attempting to reduce the inflammation. Ibuprofen is weak and doesn't touch it. Voltaren does. Your doctor has nothing to lose by giving it a go. It is no more harmful than ibuprofen, only a lot more effective.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It doesn't matter what the diagnosis is. Voltaren isn't specific to any one condition. It is specific to all inflammation including herniated and slipped disks, arthritis, headaches, pulled muscles .... if it hurts and there's inflammation, it will probably fix it so that you are in a great deal less pain. Your doctor still may recommend surgery. I'm sure a few surgeons would have loved to open up my back, but it has not been necessary at all.

If you've been prescribed ibuprofen, they are attempting to reduce the inflammation. Ibuprofen is weak and doesn't touch it. Voltaren does. Your doctor has nothing to lose by giving it a go. It is no more harmful than ibuprofen, only a lot more effective.

SOLD!!!

LOL! I'm definitely going to ask both docs for it if the first one (the ortho) says no.

Thanks again, Suzanne.

Terra

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sbucciarel Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

SOLD!!!

LOL! I'm definitely going to ask both docs for it if the first one (the ortho) says no.

Thanks again, Suzanne.

Terra

My general practice doctor would have never come up with it without my neurosurgeon prescribing it. It's something that is prescribed mostly by the "specialists." Now that I know about it, I asked my new GP for an ongoing prescription, which he was happy to give me, but he would have never thought of it on his own.
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discrat

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It doesn't matter what the diagnosis is. Voltaren isn't specific to any one condition. It is specific to all inflammation including herniated and slipped disks, arthritis, headaches, pulled muscles .... if it hurts and there's inflammation, it will probably fix it so that you are in a great deal less pain. Your doctor still may recommend surgery. I'm sure a few surgeons would have loved to open up my back, but it has not been necessary at all.

If you've been prescribed ibuprofen, they are attempting to reduce the inflammation. Ibuprofen is weak and doesn't touch it. Voltaren does. Your doctor has nothing to lose by giving it a go. It is no more harmful than ibuprofen, only a lot more effective.

Very interesting. Ortho Surgeon wants to replace my hips. In a lot of pain ,my girls have to put my socks on anymore. I cannot. Cannot bend over to pick things up. Its bone on bone severe Osteo Arthritis.

At 48 and still muscular and in good shape from spinning , I do not want to go thru total hip replacement and putting it off.

Suzy, this can help A LOT more than Ibufropen ? Whats the drawbacks, addictive etc.. ?

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tagiscom

8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

They don't always prescribe what they don't get the best commissions for. Prednisone is the high commission anti-inflammatory pain killer right now. They attempted to prescribe it to me several times but I didn't bite. It was totally an unnecessary drug in my case - and way to dangerous to mess with under the circumstances, but it's the one they know from pharm marketing, and the one they get paid the best for giving.

Yes, Sal, l was in hospital waiting rooms quite a bit, when my Mother was going through chemo, etc.

And overheard some nurses discussing whether a Cancer patient should go through chemo, or l think that it was gene therapy.

They decided on chemo, since it was more profitable.

One nurse said it was dearer, so made the hospital more money!

Later on, when she realized that my Mother was getting similar treatment, let's just say she had a "l am going to cop it" look on her face.

I didn't say anything, but it does raise an interesting question about cancer treatments.

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Maybe at gunpoint?

Originally Posted by discrat

Very interesting. Ortho Surgeon wants to replace my hips. In a lot of pain ,my girls have to put my socks on anymore. I cannot. Cannot bend over to pick things up. Its bone on bone severe Osteo Arthritis.

At 48 and still muscular and in good shape from spinning , I do not want to go thru total hip replacement and putting it off.

Suzy, this can help A LOT more than Ibufropen ? Whats the drawbacks, addictive etc.. ?

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P.S. Terra, I feel for you and will say some Prayers

Sorry to hear about that, Discrat, hope that it works out.

And best of Luck Terra, take care.

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Princess Balestra

8 years ago

I figure plentya people would hold your hand if they could.

We might not all share your specific problem but we prolly all know what it is to be scared in the face of uncertainty.

I would love for you to be fully "in the pink", an' I hope it all works out positive for you.

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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Best wishes, Terra. Hope the appointment works out well for you.
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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Aw, hubby took off from work early to go with me.

And I'm off now.

I'm still scared.

Terra

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Okay, can we change scared to frustrated?

Both the Orthopedic Surgeon and my doc declined to give me the prescription for Voltaren.

The ortho said no, that it is not a magic pill and won't help nerve pain.

And he wanted an MRI done first and then possibly pain management with injections. Then we would take it from there. Grrr!

He probably didn't like me so much because the first thing I said to him when he walked into the room was that I wanted to make one thing perfectly clear. I did not come here because I wanted surgery. I don't ever want surgery.

Then back to my doc who put me off work for another two weeks!! And is keeping my PT suspended...

She said I already was taking an anti-inflammatory and we would just stick with that. If I wasn't better in a month, when the prescription is up, perhaps we could switch then. Grrr!

Sooo, more waiting until the 29th when I have a MRI. I'm not happy. I'm in more pain now than when I first saw my doc for it. Now both of my glutes are in spasm again and the left leg has an acid-burn feeling from glute to back of my knee. And now my back ribs on my left are hurting too.

I hate this and again I am so happy I retired from the medical field in 2009!!!

Thanks for lending your ears guys, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

Terra

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perryny

8 years ago

Sorry to hear this, Terra. I'm fortunate enough to not yet have experienced back pain, but I have SO MANY close people in my life who I know have gone or are going through this, and I know it sucks.

Both my mother-in-law and uncle Cosmo have had back surgery, and both seem better now than they were.

That said, I'd still look toward surgery as a very, very final resort.

I've used the dark web to buy weed through the mail more than once, and if I needed medications to help me deal with pain I found unbearable, I would personally certainly check this out as an option. Maybe not the best or smartest suggestion to be throwing out there on a public forum, but I really empathize with what you're dealing with and hope you find a good solution soon.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by perryny

Sorry to hear this, Terra. I'm fortunate enough to not yet have experienced back pain, but I have SO MANY close people in my life who I know have gone or are going through this, and I know it sucks.

Both my mother-in-law and uncle Cosmo have had back surgery, and both seem better now than they were.

That said, I'd still look toward surgery as a very, very final resort.

I've used the dark web to buy weed through the mail more than once, and if I needed medications to help me deal with pain I found unbearable, I would personally certainly check this out as an option. Maybe not the best or smartest suggestion to be throwing out there on a public forum, but I really empathize with what you're dealing with and hope you find a good solution soon.

Thanks for your advice but thankfully, if I want to go that route, I'm pretty sure I could find the stuff without the dark web.

It's always way closer than I think, lol!

Terra

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perryny

8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Thanks for your advice but thankfully, if I want to go that route, I'm pretty sure I could find the stuff without the dark web.

It's always way closer than I think, lol!

Terra

I live in NYC, and I couldn't find weed if you drew me a map. The dark web really opened a long-hidden door for me.

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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Originally Posted by perryny

I live in NYC, and I couldn't find weed if you drew me a map. The dark web really opened a long-hidden door for me.

Is the dark web an actual site or is it alluding to the darker side of using the web?

Sorry, I don't know much about these things.

Terra
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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Okay, can we change scared to frustrated?

Both the Orthopedic Surgeon and my doc declined to give me the prescription for Voltaren.

The ortho said no, that it is not a magic pill and won't help nerve pain.

And he wanted an MRI done first and then possibly pain management with injections. Then we would take it from there. Grrr!

He probably didn't like me so much because the first thing I said to him when he walked into the room was that I wanted to make one thing perfectly clear. I did not come here because I wanted surgery. I don't ever want surgery.

Then back to my doc who put me off work for another two weeks!! And is keeping my PT suspended...

She said I already was taking an anti-inflammatory and we would just stick with that. If I wasn't better in a month, when the prescription is up, perhaps we could switch then. Grrr!

Sooo, more waiting until the 29th when I have a MRI. I'm not happy. I'm in more pain now than when I first saw my doc for it. Now both of my glutes are in spasm again and the left leg has an acid-burn feeling from glute to back of my knee. And now my back ribs on my left are hurting too.

I hate this and again I am so happy I retired from the medical field in 2009!!!

Thanks for lending your ears guys, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

Terra

It comes over to me that these so called experts have collectively no clue as to how to treat or at least alleviate your pain, try this, try that. Did you establish that there were any excessive bone protuberances (via the X-Rays) that could be causing much of it. If so I will remind you of what was discussed in the PM.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

It comes over to me that these so called experts have collectively no clue as to how to treat or at least alleviate your pain, try this, try that. Did you establish that there were any excessive bone protuberances (via the X-Rays) that could be causing much of it. If so I will remind you of what was discussed in the PM.

Yeah, the L4 over the L-5 by 7mm, stage one though, so they don't think it is that.

Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me. We were going to wait until after Physical Therapy but since Doc contends it actually exasperated my condition rather than help, I'm going to revisit that with hubby now.

I won't be surprised if the MRI shows more slippage though. Seriously!

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Okay, can we change scared to frustrated?

Both the Orthopedic Surgeon and my doc declined to give me the prescription for Voltaren.

The ortho said no, that it is not a magic pill and won't help nerve pain.

Terra

Pretty unbelievable. It was my neurologist who prescribed it and it was prescribed for nerve pain. The herniated disks were causing acute sciatica. it relieved it immediately, and I do mean immediately. That doctor who said that doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to Voltaren or nerve pain, apparently.

Sorry to hear it went that way. They are wrong to not give that a go.

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HeySal

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Pretty unbelievable. It was my neurologist who prescribed it and it was prescribed for nerve pain. The herniated disks were causing acute sciatica. it relieved it immediately, and I do mean immediately. That doctor who said that doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to Voltaren or nerve pain, apparently.

Sorry to hear it went that way. They are wrong to not give that a go.

They don't always prescribe what they don't get the best commissions for. Prednisone is the high commission anti-inflammatory pain killer right now. They attempted to prescribe it to me several times but I didn't bite. It was totally an unnecessary drug in my case - and way to dangerous to mess with under the circumstances, but it's the one they know from pharm marketing, and the one they get paid the best for giving.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Pretty unbelievable. It was my neurologist who prescribed it and it was prescribed for nerve pain. The herniated disks were causing acute sciatica. it relieved it immediately, and I do mean immediately. That doctor who said that doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to Voltaren or nerve pain, apparently.

Sorry to hear it went that way. They are wrong to not give that a go.

He waved his hand and poo-pood the suggestion away by saying it's for inflammation, not nerve pain and that it's not a magic pill. Really ticked me off!!

I follow up with my doc in two weeks again and I'll bring it up with her then.

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

He waved his hand and poo-pood the suggestion away by saying it's for inflammation, not nerve pain and that it's not a magic pill. Really ticked me off!!

I follow up with my doc in two weeks again and I'll bring it up with her then.

Terra

He is dead wrong. It is for inflammation and nerve pain. The nerve pain is caused by inflammation... duh. The thing is ... Sal is probably right. It's not a fancy new drug. It's quite old and very cheap and available in generic. They might be able to sell you more expensive drugs or surgery. My neurosurgeon/neurologist could have done the same, but he didn't. I give him a lot of credit for that.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He is dead wrong. It is for inflammation and nerve pain. The nerve pain is caused by inflammation... duh. The thing is ... Sal is probably right. It's not a fancy new drug. It's quite old and very cheap and available in generic. They might be able to sell you more expensive drugs or surgery. My neurosurgeon/neurologist could have done the same, but he didn't. I give him a lot of credit for that.

The minute he walked into the room, I disliked him because he reminded me of a used car salesman, dressed to the nines, appearing "slick". He had no doctor's white coat on, had very expensive alligator shoes, slacks, shirt and tie. He was a different nationality but that didn't matter, I'm not prejudice at all. I don't want to offend anyone by naming the nationality. Okay, the same nationality that is ever growing in numbers here on the forum.

Anyway, he had two guys with him, assistants, one on each side. They had on scrubs and the white jackets and they did the asking of questions and the on hands examination of my spine, hips, etc. as the doc stood by, watched and listened.

He, however, was voted the best in the Tri-County area though. He has a stellar reputation obviously. But I don't know, he just seems so dang arrogant. I'm just biding my time to see what is found on my MRI and what he intends to do about it. I'll decide then what I'm going to do about him...

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Very interesting. Ortho Surgeon wants to replace my hips. In a lot of pain ,my girls have to put my socks on anymore. I cannot. Cannot bend over to pick things up. Its bone on bone severe Osteo Arthritis.

At 48 and still muscular and in good shape from spinning , I do not want to go thru total hip replacement and putting it off.

Suzy, this can help A LOT more than Ibufropen ? Whats the drawbacks, addictive etc.. ?

Thanks

P.S. Terra, I feel for you and will say some Prayers

If you can take Ibuprofen without side effects, you can take Voltaren without side effects. They are the same class of drug, only one is effective and the other is not.

As I mentioned, the first Dr. was a moron and diagnosed me with a pulled hamstring. He prescribed Ibuprofen and I took bottles of it, much more than anyone should take. He also had me on narcotics for pain, which I oppose. I was in so much pain, that I had no choice but to take them. Sciatica is excruciating pain. I had a job I had to keep and children to take care of. This went on for a year and a half.

I finally got another doctor who recommended that I go to a neurologist. I chose the top neurologist in Fairfax County at that time. He first sent me for an MRI so he could see what was wrong in my back. I told him nothing was wrong with my back ... all the pain was in my leg. He tolerated my opinion, but knew I was wrong.

Turned out I had 3 herniated disks ... and not just a little herniated .... crushed. I did something really stupid at the gym and after years of my disks degenerating from back breaking work in restaurants, it was the straw that broke the camels back (or my back, actually).

He being a neurosurgeon, he could have advised me to have expensive surgery and made a lot more money from me. But he didn't. On my second visit to him, after seeing the MRI, he handed me the prescription for Voltaren. I thought to myself ... are you freaking serious? I've contemplated suicide for the past 1 1/2 years because I couldn't bear the pain and you're handing me a prescription for pills?

I took the first pill that day. That day, the pain went away by 80%. By the next 2 days, it went away by 100%. I only had one followup visit to him, making a total of three visits to this neurologist and he made a sort of wry, sarcastic joke .... like ... do you believe me now? That's the kind of guy he was. He literally left a lot of money on the table. I never saw him again and have never had sciatica again or any pain related to the herniated disks. They are of course, still crushed. They just don't bother me anymore if I have Voltaren around to take for a day if I overwork my back .... like doing heavy lifting or mowing the lawn, moving furniture ... stuff like that.

It is no more addicting than Ibuprofen, which is ... not at all. It is an NSAID. It is not a pain pill, although eliminating the inflammation eliminates the pain. Just like aspirin or Ibuprofen, if you pop a bunch of Voltaren every day for years, you could end up with a bleeding ulcer.

There are two forms of Voltaren. Pill and gel. I wouldn't use the gel. There has been some concern of liver damage with the gel. The pill is highly effective and hasn't been associated with the same liver damage.

Ask yourself one question .... if it might work, shouldn't it be tried before something as drastic as hip replacement? It might not be the answer for everyone, but I gave it to my mother, who also had sciatica and I gave it to a few friends who were in severe back pain and it worked.

I only wonder why doctors dealing with pain from inflammatory diseases don't know about or prescribe it before recommending crap like Ibuprofen or going right on to surgery.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

The minute he walked into the room, I disliked him because he reminded me of a used car salesman, dressed to the nines, appearing "slick". He had no doctor's white coat on, had very expensive alligator shoes, slacks, shirt and tie. He was a different nationality but that didn't matter, I'm not prejudice at all. I don't want to offend anyone by naming the nationality. Okay, the same nationality that is ever growing in numbers here on the forum.

Anyway, he had two guys with him, assistants, one on each side. They had on scrubs and the white jackets and they did the asking of questions and the on hands examination of my spine, hips, etc. as the doc stood by, watched and listened.

He, however, was voted the best in the Tri-County area though. He has a stellar reputation obviously. But I don't know, he just seems so dang arrogant. I'm just biding my time to see what is found on my MRI and what he intends to do about it. I'll decide then what I'm going to do about him...

Terra

Terra ... my neurologist was the cream of the crop ... top in a very large county and he was nothing like that. He was funny, sarcastic, empathetic and the arrogance he could have had from being the best, was not there ... there was only self confidence of knowing that he knew his shit... and he dressed in white lab coat and didn't have assistants hanging around. I would question your ortho's lack of knowledge about what Voltaren does and what it does not do and his unwillingness to give something no more dangerous than Ibuprofen a try, when it could possibly alleviate your pain immediately.

You could be the one person thus far that I have recommended it to that it doesn't work for ... but we may never know if it isn't tried.

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discrat

8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

The minute he walked into the room, I disliked him because he reminded me of a used car salesman, dressed to the nines, appearing "slick". He had no doctor's white coat on, had very expensive alligator shoes, slacks, shirt and tie. He was a different nationality but that didn't matter, I'm not prejudice at all. I don't want to offend anyone by naming the nationality. Okay, the same nationality that is ever growing in numbers here on the forum.

Anyway, he had two guys with him, assistants, one on each side. They had on scrubs and the white jackets and they did the asking of questions and the on hands examination of my spine, hips, etc. as the doc stood by, watched and listened.

He, however, was voted the best in the Tri-County area though. He has a stellar reputation obviously. But I don't know, he just seems so dang arrogant. I'm just biding my time to see what is found on my MRI and what he intends to do about it. I'll decide then what I'm going to do about him...

Terra

Yes I can relate Terra. It is extraordinarily tough to have a doctor who has NO humility and NO bedside manners.

it's a huge turnoff for me. Even if they are considered the best.

I feel for you

P.S. How do I deal with it sometimes ?? I just look at the guy and realize that he may be better in this ONE area of Life than me ( medicine). But there are probably about 1,001 other things I could blow him out of the water with. Terra, Iam sure you could run circles around him in writing convincing Prose

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

Right now, all my muscles are hurting, burning pain, and they feel tight and weak.

It feels like something is just pulling all of me inwards, towards the center. Sort of like how a spider can be huge, but once it's dead, it curls up and is very small. That's the best I can describe it.

Weird, I know...

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

Right now, all my muscles are hurting, burning pain, and they feel tight and weak.

It feels like something is just pulling all of me inwards, towards the center. Sort of like how a spider can be huge, but once it's dead, it curls up and is very small. That's the best I can describe it.

Weird, I know...

Terra

Hope you get the MRI results back soon and they do something to address the pain and can fix whatever is causing you to feel that way.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hope you get the MRI results back soon and they do something to address the pain and can fix whatever is causing you to feel that way.

Thanks Suzanne.

My MRI is scheduled for Tuesday at 4 pm. As soon as it's finished, I have to schedule an appointment with the Ortho to go over the results.

I think I'm going to call my Doctor's office Monday and ask again for the Voltaren. Perhaps if I tell her everything that is happening, she won't make me wait until the Motrin is out.

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I think I'm going to call my Doctor's office Monday and ask again for the Voltaren. Perhaps if I tell her everything that is happening, she won't make me wait until the Motrin is out.

Terra

It should be a no-brainer for her to do that for you. Motrin = anti-inflammatory that doesn't work well for anything beyond the most minor aches and pains. Voltaren - anti-inflammatory that does wonders for some pretty severe aches and pains.

It's just trading one anti-inflammatory for a different one. Your doctor works for you ... not the other way around. I think that sometimes they get caught up in their own self-importance and forget who pays their salaries.

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It should be a no-brainer for her to do that for you. Motrin = anti-inflammatory that doesn't work well for anything beyond the most minor aches and pains. Voltaren - anti-inflammatory that does wonders for some pretty severe aches and pains.

It's just trading one anti-inflammatory for a different one. Your doctor works for you ... not the other way around. I think that sometimes they get caught up in their own self-importance and forget who pays their salaries.

That's what I'm hoping for.

Terra

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bizgrower 8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That's what I'm hoping for.

Terra

So, Voltaren?

I was afraid to bump for an update, but.....
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HeySal

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It should be a no-brainer for her to do that for you. Motrin = anti-inflammatory that doesn't work well for anything beyond the most minor aches and pains. Voltaren - anti-inflammatory that does wonders for some pretty severe aches and pains.

It's just trading one anti-inflammatory for a different one. Your doctor works for you ... not the other way around. I think that sometimes they get caught up in their own self-importance and forget who pays their salaries.

Voltaren isn't always effective for back pain - and they don't give it readily to asthmatics -- which is Terra in spades. Steroid drugs on the other hand can crash an immune system and also have been known to increase the severity of asthma.

If it were me (also asthmatic) that were requesting drugs for this pain, at least in the short term while they decided the more long term treatment, I'd want an opiate or demerol or some such.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by HeySal

Voltaren isn't always effective for back pain - and they don't give it readily to asthmatics -- which is Terra in spades. Steroid drugs on the other hand can crash an immune system and also have been known to increase the severity of asthma.

If it were me (also asthmatic) that were requesting drugs for this pain, at least in the short term while they decided the more long term treatment, I'd want an opiate or demerol or some such.

If the pain is due to inflammation, it will reduce the inflammation. That's what it is ... an anti-inflammatory.

Being a drug addict, recovering for many years, yeah baby ... bring on the opiates and demerol. I'd take them for a hang nail.

But .... opiates and demerol of course are just pain killers, and do nothing to fix the source of the pain.

She has been prescribed Motrin. If you can take Motrin, you can take Voltaren. Same drug class. Only one works.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

Right now, all my muscles are hurting, burning pain, and they feel tight and weak.

It feels like something is just pulling all of me inwards, towards the center. Sort of like how a spider can be huge, but once it's dead, it curls up and is very small. That's the best I can describe it.

Weird, I know...

Terra

Prednazone recation?

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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Prednazone recation?

Oh, I hope to heck not!!

I have bad reactions to too many things as it is.

Terra
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HeySal

8 years ago

I'm really sorry to hear about this, Terra. I understand frustration, though.

Seems any time a smoker has to see a doctor about anything - the answer is the same. It's all because you smoke. Right - every illness a smoker can get, even it it's communicable and given to them by a non-smoker is purely the consequence of cigarettes.

I really got into it when I had to have a second trip to the hospital when at my sister's trying to recuperate after a relapse. That doctor actually called me a liar when I told him I'd had asthma and allergies all my life. He said I was a liar who was making that up to deny responsibility for my illness because I smoked - and said I have COPD I do not have COPD - and I don't have emphysema. Even while sick I was able to use two of their breathing measurement gadgets to show him that. I know what the causes were - and when I was first noticeably sick, the progression, etc. I even made plans to move........I didn't realize how far it had gone or that I didn't have until spring to get out of there.

Anyway - then he had a shytefit on me for refusing a prescription for prednisone I told him it would be a cold day in hell before I took that crap. We argued, and I told him to look at the stats instead of pharm marketing material. He fried. I told him the same thing I discussed with the Reno hospital staff - If I need anti-inflammatories, I know 5 right off the top of my head that I'm willing to take that should do the trick - coconut oil, turmeric, ginger, lemon juice, organic raw apple cider vinegar - and aspirin. The doctors and nurses in Reno had not one problem with those as a substitution for prednisone. (Although I would never take ginger for more than a few days out of a week).

The staff at the hospital in Reno were more than responsive and we talked realistically about my illness and collapse. In CA they gave me a moron who only seemed to know what he probably read in a textbook. After being called a liar I was pretty furious - Called him Dr Affirmative action Adonis (he really was gorgeous, but that doesn't excuse his attitude or lack of intelligence).

I made them let me out of there and solved the relapse by doing what I knew needed to be done - something in my sister's house was making me relapse and I left. Not sure if it was mold still in the house missed when remodeling was done, or if it was her German Shepard, or a combo. I was well again within a half hour of leaving, though. Sooner or later I might be able to be at her house without being affected but that house was a problem for me when I stayed there one night during New Years, too, when I was just getting sick, so it really hammered me when I was already in a collapse.

So........I am feeling fortunate that I was able to get a realistic, intelligent, and helpful staff here in state after being subjected to that pharmacological useful idiot in California. Sure hope you can find a good doctor, too.

Keep us posted - give me a call sometime if you're just frustrated and need to blow some steam over it.

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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Expect a call next week, lol!

Probably after my MRI on Tuesday, so probably Wednesday...

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8 years ago

You got it, girlfriend. Consider the line open. The least I can do is be there for you scream and whine and otherwise get it off your chest so you don't wind up with coronary problems, too.

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Zodiax

8 years ago

Would it help if big frank sung you a positive self help mantra

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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

Would it help if big frank sung you a positive self help mantra

No, but if he has magic hands, I could use a good back massage.

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rosario1990

8 years ago

Wish you all the best! Don't worry a bit. Everthing will be fine.

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bizgrower

8 years ago

I do wish you all the best.
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laurencewins

8 years ago

Hi Terra,

Sorry to hear about all your woes, the pain and the moron doctors you have been consulting with.

I totally relate. I also have chronic pain and have had it for years. I have had cortisone injections, surgery in my neck (which virtually did nothing), been on all sorts of painkillers, some that are morphine or methadone-based drugs, and had lots of other "treatments" as well.

Do you take magnesium? If not, I highly recommend it because it helps ease muscle spasms wherever they occur in the body. I couldn't believe the difference when I first started taking them.

On Wednesday I had a magnesium infusion (very different to the capsules I have been on). The infusion did nothing for my pain but sent my blood sugars down to hypoglycemic levels every day since then and had numerous other horrible side effects so I am not doing that again.

An MRI should be done for you to isolate the issues. I don't know how things work there as I'm in Australia, but if I'm not happy with my doctors or specialists, I find better ones. I have been lucky that I have only done that 3 times in 15 years.

If you ever want to chat via Skype and compare "notes," I would be happy to do so.

Take care.

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bluemotion

8 years ago

It's only natural to be scared. I would be too. But I wish you all the best and do let us all know how you got on.

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bizgrower

8 years ago

I had an acquaintance who accidentally killed herself at about age 50 by going to two different doctors.
According to her husband and friends in the group, she did not tell any one she was doing this.
She had heart issues. She got one prescription from one doc and another from the other. Then
she used different pharmacies. The interaction was fatal.

Hopefully Terra's docs are mediating appropriately and will take the best course of action at the right time.

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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Hey guys!

Thanks Dan for wondering about me.

I took a little vacation from here, it all got just a little overwhelming for me. I like peace and tranquility and I know where to find it even though I'm a Wolverine.

Regarding the volteran, can you believe it? I forgot to ask, hahaha!

These meds mess with my brain! Anyway, the second round of steroids knocked out the pain and I only felt discomfort. I finished my last one yesterday and the pain is slowly coming back, but I'm limping along.

I see my specialist Tuesday to go over my MRI results, then on to my regular doctor on Thursday. At this point, I think I'll just wait and see what the verdict and treatment is. If I'm still hurting, I may ask my Doc for them Thursday if the plan includes me to keep taking the motrin.

One thing I know for sure at this point. With this pain and mind muddle, there's no way I can go back to work. Not like this, and not being responsible for thousands of dollars.

Terra
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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Oops!

Sorry, Dan I forgot to address your post.

My doc is coordinating everything and I only have one pharmacy. With all of the drug allergies I have, I keep to my one pharmacy.

The pharmacist and I are on a first name basis now.

Terra
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MissTerraK 8 years ago

Okay, I'm a lot scared now.

I just got back from my appointment with my orthopedic to go over my MRI results. They showed that my L-4, L-5 disc and my L-5, S-1 disc are protruding into my spinal cord and compressing nerve roots.

He said was going to send me to a different ortho who is more equipped to handle this. And I can't even get into see this guy for two whole weeks!

<Sigh>

I don't know what I'm going to do now...

Terra
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perryny 8 years ago

Hey Terra,

I really do hope you feel better soon. I know you will, because every single person I know who was where you're at now and then went through their chosen treatment now feels a lot better than they did.

You'll get past this soon. Hoping real, real soon.

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Kay King 8 years ago

I don't know what I'm going to do now...

You'll do it one day at a time and get through it - I have no doubt of that.

The docs are being cautious - and that's good. I'd also advise not being as against surgery as you seemed to be in previous posts. There are many new methods that aren't as invasive or risky as in the past so keep your options open.

Hang in there, girlfriend...you'll come out on the other side of this!
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Robscom 8 years ago

I hope you can see the doc sooner and keep your stress level down.

I know it's hard, but just take it one day at a time. [sends friendly hugs]
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bizgrower

8 years ago

If they call for surgery, I'd look at the Laser Spine Institute (LSI) or other laser surgery clinics.
Because they sound minimally invasive.

Also, I saw an ad earlier to day for a doc certified in DRS procedures. Seems promising and sounds minimally invasive. You'd have to research that a bit more. I will later when I have more time.

Dan

OK - it's DRS Protocol - seems to be more in the integrative health care realm:

http://ariaintegrativehealth.com/services/what-is-drs/

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MissTerraK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

If they call for surgery, I'd look at the Laser Spine Institute (LSI) or other laser surgery clinics.
Because they sound minimally invasive.

Also, I saw an ad earlier to day for a doc certified in DRS procedures. Seems promising and sounds minimally invasive. You'd have to research that a bit more. I will later when I have more time.

Dan

OK - it's DRS Protocol - seems to be more in the integrative health care realm:

What is DRS Protocol? | Aria Integrative Health

That's why I'm a little more scared than I was before.

There was a poster and pamphlets on Laser Light treatments in the room I was in with the first ortho that dropped me.

It does sound encouraging.

I go back to my doc tomorrow so I'm going to ask her if she can get me into a different doctor sooner than 2 weeks and I'm going to show her the pamphlet I have on Laser Light therapy and see what she thinks.

Right now, Hubby is ticked! He thinks the doctors are just passing me around in a money making kick back scheme that they're running, lol!

I feel bad for him. He usually can help me with whatever I need, but feels helpless in this situation.

Terra

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bizgrower

8 years ago

Laser Spine Institute did well for a popular local radio show host.
Of course I don't know if your conditions are the same as his or eligible.
They offer a free look at MRIs for eligibility. Don't know if they are in your area.

Poor hubby, too. Cool how you "get" each other.

Dan

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