Nononsense thread..Non political...Non religious one!!!

[MarkAndrews IMCopywriting]

If you ever run out of superglue,
it's a really good substitute.

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by myob

So, all I have left to offer you is an affiliate in my weight reduction program. Many of my customers have lost thousands of pounds. They keep putting it back on over and over, and they keep coming back year in and year out. It's the perfect business in a tight economy.

Not if they come and dancercize with me, keeps the weight down and body defined and tight! But I would never invite your customers to join me as it would only cut into your business and I just like you too much for that! You are my have fun with buddy, and I wouldn't trade it for nothin!
MissTerraK

[MissTerraK]

Mark,

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting
Why not just create a paid for sub
forum ($10 to join or whatever)
where people can discuss the big
issues of life? .....


Simple.

I think you are on to something here! Brilliant idea! Should I be looking for something in the future? If anyone could pull it off you, that would be you!!
MissTerraK

[myob]

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Not if they come and dancercize with me, keeps the weight down and body defined and tight! But I would never invite your customers to join me as it would only cut into your business and I just like you too much for that! You are my have fun with buddy, and I wouldn't trade it for nothin!
MissTerraK

Why MissTerraK, where have you been hiding? I hope the big bad wolf didn't scare you off.

And don't you worry your sweet buns about cutting into my business. There's plenty of blubber to go around for all of us.

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by myob

Why MissTerraK, where have you been hiding? I hope the big bad wolf didn't scare you off.

And don't you worry your sweet buns about cutting into my business. There's plenty of blubber to go around for all of us.

Baah! Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? No, No, No, not me! You are the big bad wolf right?

I've been working on a couple projects and dealing with some other frustrating issues, becoming quite the juggler I tell ya! Sure have missed yours (juggler I mean)! Thanks for sticking your neck out for me, are you sure you don't mind taking a bite out of your business? I just might market a video series on my dancercize!
Hmm, there's a thought!

Thanks, you can keep your sweet buns and I'll keep mine! Oh and the flubber too, it never did go well with my other girlie girl accessories anyway!
MissTerraK

[MarkAndrews IMCopywriting]

Bouncing flubbers?

Blimey!

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Bouncing flubbers?

Blimey!

I saw that movie. LOL! You're quite confused, NOTHING like that at all!

And to think I thought you were so intelligent and insightful...BWAAA!
MissTerraK

[myob]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

If you are looking for a Marmite
supplier, let me know!

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

If you ever run out of superglue,
it's a really good substitute.

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Bouncing flubbers?

Blimey!

Hmmmm.... I try to use all-natural products whenever possible, and you just gave me an idea for a wider application for Marmite. Do you have any specs comparing the adhesive strength and congealing times for superglue vs Marmite? We are looking for a natural substitute for superglue.

There could be a huge market in the US for it. Households in the US average 2.8 toilet seats each and each household averages a whopping .4 adults with big fat butts and bouncing flubbers. Now I have never actually seen what a .4 adult with a big fat butt looks like; all I know is that it's just a statistical figure marketers use for figuring whatever they're trying to figure. And you and I both know that figures don't lie, even though some people lie about their figures.

Here's the deal. Superglue is the glue of choice for pranksters on big fat bouncing blubbery butts, but quite often the toilet seats have to be surgically removed. What we need is something that has the approximate congealing time of superglue, yet without the severe adhesive strength.

It's a pain in the ass to have to go back and replace all those toilet seats, because they are unusable after a successful application. So I would appreciate it if you could send pictures of how Marmite compares to Superglue on toilet seats. The market for such an application is huge and growing larger every day. It could spread widely to restaurants, hotels, businesses, athletic events, concerts, operas, and so much more!

And if you can source out a large supply of Marmite to undercut the local Brits, I think we may have a deal.

[MarkAndrews IMCopywriting]

That post is too funny for words.

Brilliant piece of prose, right up
there with the British sense of
humour.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by myob

Sal, I am disappointed that you turned down my employment offer. I am not a proponent of Keynesian economics, although you are right that my employees never do get a free lunch.

So, all I have left to offer you is an affiliate in my weight reduction program. Many of my customers have lost thousands of pounds. They keep putting it back on over and over, and they keep coming back year in and year out. It's the perfect business in a tight economy.

Oh my. I've never had an employer that didn't understand the value of approaching me only when armed with edible offerings before. I also have to note that working hard for what they earn, sounds just so anti-thematic, too. I would much rather sit on my assets and watch them expand.

Of course, they don't expand and despite my appetite I still weigh in as an extremely sweetly saturated asset for any weight loss program.

You leave me staring at the cinder block and wondering exactly how we can weigh your weight loss program victims....er, subscribers.......against my product that teaches them how food calories are a relatively low concern when in a quandary about why the pounds won't shed as they do from UK wallets.

I will relegate the ideas into the file for the little demon in my machine to tuck away for me and allow it to brew like a fine marmite. Perhaps there's a good mixture between our two concerns that will stick in my craw that I will be willing to discuss over some REAL health food like a lightly whipped latte and a big slice of apple pie.

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by HeySal

I will be willing to discuss over some REAL health food like a lightly whipped latte and a big slice of apple pie.

Now, you're talking my language! Latte and apple pie! American all the way!
Terra

[Paul Myers]

Sal,

The problem right now is that talking money at any REAL level involves talking politics and not much can be said at all without it. So where do you draw the lines when issues are forbidden yet extremely relevant?

You draw the line at extremes.

The problem is that such extreme comments end up being the final result of any discussion here where any political component is allowed into the conversation.

Yes, it sucks that some issues can't be discussed without the political aspects coming into it, and then ending up with the whole thing being deleted. That's the result of an established pattern of behavior on the part of some people in the group. A pattern which is destructive to this group in ways that even the worst personal nastiness doesn't begin to rival.

For the record, my actions on this issue have exactly nothing to do with anyone playing "tattle-tale." You may as well drop that line of discussion, because it's completely irrelevant to what's happened here.

I decided to deal with it because it needed done and the other people with the access required to do it were too disgusted to even get involved.

I took it on myself to break the rules and tried to encourage a degree of civility in the political discussions. That failed, miserably. I then warned people that they needed to stop the extreme language if they wanted to be able to continue the discussions here. Some folks decided that they preferred nothing at all. (Or thought I was bluffing.)

The point being: If you want to complain to or about someone because you can't have those discussions here, I'm the appropriate target. Fire away, ma'am, if you think it will do you any good. Have at it.

Until Allen changes the rules, anything that even looks like politics is done here.

Mark,

You can approach Allen with the idea, if you like. I would guess that, if you got an answer at all, it would amount to "No." But that's a guess. I've been wrong on such things before.

There is also nothing stopping you from hosting a forum of your own, with whatever rules you like. Unlike the situation you describe above, no-one here would even think about interfering with you if you did. And it wouldn't be limited to people who are members here.

If you decide to go that route, I'll be happy to post here about it, to reduce the chance of anyone deleting the announcement or complaining to you about it.

That offer is open to Mark, Sal, and Paul (myob) only. Mark proposed the idea, and Sal and Paul have already commented on it. (I'm not going to make that a blanket offer to promote everyone who wants to start a forum...)

You have made a simple, constructive suggestion. There is nothing stopping you from implementing that suggestion. With that, the discussion of why politics are not allowed in this forum should be over.


Paul

[MarkAndrews IMCopywriting]

Thanks Paul.

I really appreciate you taking the
time to give us your thoughts about
this, for my part, I'll think on it.

Time is of the essence.

Wishing you an excellent week, oh
and hmmm the offer to help promote ...
that is indeed very kind and considerate
of you.

Top of the day to you.

Best regards.


Mark Andrews...

[Patrician]

KimW has already started a forum just for this purpose some time ago. It is only $5

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Thanks Paul.

I really appreciate you taking the
time to give us your thoughts about
this, for my part, I'll think on it.

Time is of the essence.

Wishing you an excellent week, oh
and hmmm the offer to help promote ...
that is indeed very kind and considerate
of you.

Top of the day to you.

Best regards.


Mark Andrews...

[Paul Myers]

Patrician,

KimW has already started a forum just for this purpose some time ago. It is only $5

In response to the situation here? If so, Kim, please PM me the URL.


Paul

[Patrician]

Yeh in a way in response to the situation here - just one where politics/religion/conspiracies would be allowed. (a 'free for all' environment)...

I'll let him know Paul, I think he is staying away from this thread - There are also times he is not on the forum...


oh, I forgot I am staying away from this thread too.

well, what am I doing here?

'curiosity killed the cat'

No absolutes for me I guess.


Best regards,

[Indiana]

Economics...

Well fancy that!...

Quoting from an E-mail...

"Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:41 AM
Subject: You Had Better Sit Down

This came from Canada - pretty interesting!

Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information :

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana ..... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5..3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin, but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada. For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 yearsstraight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?

Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

--------

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.

By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!

GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)
"


...Indy

[Patrician]

Thanks, Indie. It's good news for a change, but it is more old news. Everybody ignored me when I told them about this last year.

Got it from one of my right wing friends right here in North America, oddly enough.

[Indiana]

Yes Ma gazelle...Its old but it true..."A gallon of gas at $4 dollars"...???????

Bisou...Indy

[KimW]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Patrician,In response to the situation here? If so, Kim, please PM me the URL.


Paul

Paul, PM sent.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Yes Ma gazelle...Its old but it true..."A gallon of gas at $4 dollars"...???????

Bisou...Indy

Yes Indie it does make you wonder Y. (but then we all know why, SORTA)

However we in California have some of the highest prices and premium is right around $3 - it rarely gets higher than that. So regular is around $2.85 right now.

My car (super charger) burns gas even while parked I think.

He must be in cahoots with the oil barons.

well, duh his father is General Motors.

best regards, garcon le magik

les petits moonchild


p.s. I agree with you about my other picture is more real me, but it must be too "dark" because people want to fight with me - yesterday every word I said someone took offense and attacked me for it (when I was only trying to help) - so now they have to see me pretending to smile.

[Patrician]

Dear Paul Myers.

Good as place as any - There is no Mod school except maybe 'school of thought'.

Over and over again when I try to reason with negative posters who either passive-aggressively or overtly BASH my client or his program, it only escalates their hostility and they redirect it to me.

I mean I am trying to coach them to think positively and see 'the glass half full rather than half empty' and all that rah rah stuff. Doesn't work with malcontents I guess.

My conclusion is that there is no other way to snuff out a hostile environment than to just flat out delete their post off the dime. I am over trying to be the hero because 'you can't change anyone else, only the way you deal with it' (and it only makes me look like part of the hostility).

Agree?

[Indiana]

Merci...Ma gazelle...America the richest oil county in the world ...Why are you being milked like a "cash cow"???

ECONOMICS....

PAUL....Dollar up...As posted...

Forget 11,000, Dow Heading for 6000 and GE Still a Short, Charles Ortel Says

Posted Nov 12, 2009 02:38pm EST by Aaron Task in Investing
Related: GE, ^GSPC, ^dji, PIN, GLD, SPY, DIA

Coming off its highs of 2009, the Dow is heading for its first down day of November, which is pretty much a non-event and arguably overdue. But there's plenty more down days ahead for the Dow, and big ones, according to Charles Ortel, managing partner of Newport Value Partners.
When this current "hope-based" rally ends, Ortel believes the Dow will fall into the 5000-6000 range, based on the following:

Economic fundamentals: In addition to huge deficits, there's too much supply and not enough intrinsic demand in the "aging economies" of Europe, Japan and the U.S., Ortel says. From 1999-2007 "we made up for that by encouraging people to borrow. Now we're going to correct for that."
Geopolitics: "The gathering threats from abroad are severe," Ortel says. Threats from Iran and difficulties in Afghanistan immediately come to mind, but he also mentions "instability in Mexico" as well as the potential for "friendly rivals and determined enemies" to try and take advantage of America's weakened economic state and overextended military.
"If you had troubled economic times and also unwelcome military adventures, you'd have one heck of a correction," he says.

In terms of specific recommendations, Ortel remains bearish on GE, which he has been recommending as a short position since the summer of 2007. Although GE shares have recently rallied with the broader market, "the picture has not gotten better," he declares, noting GE Financial still lost about $2 billion in the year ending Sept. 30 despite extraordinary government support.

From the long side, Ortel remains bullish on gold - which he first recommended in the summer of 2007 - and says India "rises above the pack" when it comes to long-term prospects for emerging economies.

Disclosure: Ortel's firm provides research only and has no positions, long or short, in any of the assets mentioned.

[link to finance.yahoo.com]


Whoops...Indy

[Indiana]

Added to Patricia's last post "Do not change people evening if you can"...Wisdom....Indy

[myob]

Originally Posted by Indiana

ECONOMICS....

PAUL....Dollar up...As posted...

Forget 11,000, Dow Heading for 6000...

Our bet is not up yet, Indy. Before July 4, 2010 - the DOW will hit 11,000.

I'm sure it would be a very nice picture of you posted here, all dressed up in your full sorcerer regalia holding up a sign:

Oh, My God! Paul Uhl was RIGHT!

Keeping trying to drag down stocks with your negativity spells, but Wall Street does not listen to magicians.

[HeySal]

Wall Street does not listen to magicians.

Ha. After the course of econ during the last 2 years, I'm betting that they relied on nothing but.

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Ha. After the course of econ during the last 2 years, I'm betting that they relied on nothing but.

Place your bet, my dear. You would look very cute with that sign on your hat come July 4, 2010.
The sign letter coloring is optional, suit to taste.

[myob]

Between Indy and I there is a bet on whether the DOW will reach 11,000 by July 4, 2010. More properly, it is a solemn contract upon heraldic oath and honor in this noble court among fellow warriors.

Below is that aforementioned contract between myself and Indy, witnesseth heretofore by all on earth and in the Cosmos. For upon the day of this agreement, 10/20/2009, thus was a sign of approval descending upon us from the constellation of Orion, the Mighty Hunter. Orionid meteors from the direction of the constellation Orion appeared in most abundance on the nights of Oct 20 to Oct 22 announcing it upon all the earth and binding this contract irrevocably.

Therefore, be it known that now is the time to become the hunter of opportunity. All who will heed the voice of the messenger of Orion shall have their treasure, and have it abundantly. But begin now, as it is the voice unto all of the urgency to invest. As I said then, I say unto you again, wait not for the end of darkness to begin the hunt. Begin now, while it is yet dark, and at the dawn ye shall have your treasure. Behold, it is Orion who hath spoken.

Herein is the Orionic contract and solemn agreements from wherein I quoth:

Originally Posted by myob

<msg To: Indy>

Hey bro,

... we do have a deal; or as you would have said in medieval heraldry and chivalry, a gentlemen's agreement in the noble court among fellow warriors.

I will agree to post a picture of myself wearing a sign, "Hell, Indiana was right" on July 5, 2010 if the DOW does not reach 11,000 by July 4, 2010. And you likewise agree to post a picture of yourself in full sorcerer regalia wearing a sign, "Oh My God, Paul Uhl was right" if the DOW does reach 11,000 on or before July 4, 2010. ...

Originally Posted by Indiana

<msg Agreement confirmation from: Indy>

... Bien fait mon ami...O! most noble warriors mark thou this...For I speak now in a tounge that resides in thine DNA...Of which I am acredited by my noble and worthwhile challenger...


Mark thee warriors that I accept as and will honour my undertaking as pronouced above...


Verily..I hope that I will lose...For if so...You will be safe...Yet I fear this may not come to pass...

This is no small matter its outcome is for thee of paramout importance...

...The real story is between spirit and matter ...The path of the Sun and the path of the Moon...

malkuth contra chocmah.. "So lead on macduff and woe to him to him who crys enough"


Indy

Originally Posted by myob

<msg Approval from: Orion, the Mighty Hunter>

The gods have declared their approval of this wager, and which is of their favor. Watch for the signs in the wonder of the skies tonight. (10/20/2009)

Do not fear, for the gods of the mighty hunter will bestow upon all the earth the abundance of the heavens. Look up in the sky tonight, and witness for yourselves in the deepest and darkest night there is a showering of brightness descending upon us.

For behold, this sign is a foreshadowing of that which is to come. Verily, prepare now for grand opportunities that will burst forth from out of darkness. Look, and embrace Orion the Hunter, for ye are the noble warriors.

Yea, verily I say unto you as I have done since the beginning; wait not for the end of darkness to begin the hunt. Begin now, while it is yet dark, and at the dawn ye shall have your treasure.

The path of the Sun and the path of the Moon is of one eternal round. The cycle of all is in accord.

[jarebben]

Originally Posted by myob

Place your bet, my dear. You would look very cute with that sign on your hat come July 4, 2010.
The sign letter coloring is optional, suit to taste.

Hope it is true for other stock market as well.

[HeySal]

If I were going to make any bets on the market at all, Paul, it would be via investment, not pics in the forum. I am not sure that the dow won't hit for you..........but I am quite positive it would be a false high and will crash very quickly and very hard if it does. You want me to bet a pic on 8 hours of right? Yeah, good luck with that one. When I finally do put a pic in here other than my avatar - it will be for good reason.

You boys have your game to yourselves. Sounds like you are having too much fun to interrupt.

[Patrician]

well as skeptical as i am - i have to say who gives a damn if 'what goes up must come down'

take the money and run - lots more fun than still broke with your 'i told you so' sign.

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

If I were going to make any bets on the market at all, Paul, it would be via investment, not pics in the forum. I am not sure that the dow won't hit for you..........but I am quite positive it would be a false high and will crash very quickly and very hard if it does. You want me to bet a pic on 8 hours of right? Yeah, good luck with that one. When I finally do put a pic in here other than my avatar - it will be for good reason.

You boys have your game to yourselves. Sounds like you are having too much fun to interrupt.

Sal,

My inital offer was to bet Indy $1,000USD or 1oz in gold equivalent, whichever is greater, but he declined. I guess he got scared. But his counter-proposal was to exchange cute pictures of eachother, which we have already seen was solemnly approved by the gods and Orion himself.

Here was my inititial offer to Indy way back on 10/17/2009 for this bet:

Originally Posted by myob

Indy,

I am quite sure that I have made a lot more money in the stock market this month alone than you did this whole year trying to sell your gold mining equipment.

So, let's do a little wager, since I'm a betting sort of guy. I'll put my money where my big mouth is. I'll bet you the DOW will hit 11,000 before July 4, 2010. Since you've got such a big mouth too, howse about a gentleman's wager of say $1,000USD or 1oz in gold equivalent, whichever is greater? Are you game?

P.S. If one oz of gold is more than you can afford to lose, what amount are you willing to give me when the DOW rises above 11,000 by July 4, 2010?

Indy's counter-offer:

Originally Posted by Indiana

...You forget I am a socerer...However...This is Alexanders encouter with Diogenes you challenge me..On an economic level...Ha ha ha...Verily...your critera for such a challenge is without "full information" I would be unkind to accept any wager based on "reward" I therefore except your wager based on the following critera...

If you are wrong...You will post a Photo of your self with a sign around your neck saying
"Hell Indiana was right"...Likewise I undertake the same promoise if you are right...DO WE HAVE A DEAL??? Indy

I will be happy to extend this same wager to you, Sal as I had tried to offer to Indy. A bet of $1,000 USD or an ounce of gold, whichever is greater, that the DOW will hit 11,000 before July 4, 2010. Indy wasn't so sure to take me up on this bet where it really counts, but how about you? Place your bet, or are you scared like Indy that I am right?

[HeySal]

Um...Paul? I caught the bet the first and second time around. It just isn't thrilling me to my shoes as it is you two. I actually expect that market (all of them) to do some subduction zone plate like slaps....with some more than substantial financial tsunamis resulting........substantial enough to shake the remaining money out of pockets and gold fillings out of mouths.

I'm just bidding my time in my own quiet way until I see the outcome of certain productions of the "now playing near you" variety before I decide where to place my bets.

[myob]

Just as I thought. I'll be looking for your picture with the sign.

[HeySal]

Whaaa....? Did I miss something? I am not taking the bet because I feel that the market is going to play you both as winners.......I think the Dow will go up and I think the up will be a shocker.........but very short lived and only as prelude to a dive so severe it's going to have you praying to the porcelain gods. What it does after that,
I suppose won't really matter..........the real important matter is who has to concede
the bet, eh? I highly think that Indy would rather lose this one, and being that we all have to live in the financial tidal waves of wall street, I would imagine that we ALL would hope he loses. Funny is funny, and cute is cute.........but, hey, we've all
got to have a roof and eat, ya know? Unfortunately, many economists are making sense when they say not to bet on it.

[myob]

Whaaa.... yes Sal, you missed something ... big time, but there still is some time left ... There is always so much extreme drama with you. LOL!

Over the long term, the DOW has always gone up. The downturns have only been opportunities for investors. And there has been very few such historically low prices of prime companies as we saw in March 2009. There are no guarantees, but you have already lost 40% profit on the DOW index that you could have had by investing as I did in March. Also, I made 2,000% profit on dozens of individual stocks since March alone.

Will the DOW reach 11,000 by July 4, 2010? I don't really know, and seriously it doesn't really matter to me. It is just an indicator of the biggest stocks, and perhaps a psychological barometer of the economy. But, the DOW does not reflect the much greater opportunity in small stocks and IPO's. My bets are on, in hundreds of little companies and emerging technologies for the greatest recovery since the Great Depression.

You said once that your grandfather became a millionaire during the Depression. This is exactly what I'm talking about. For those who are able to invest right now, there is an opportunity to become millionaires during the next year or two. (Hint: when the French stop whining about how tough it is, that is the time to sell)

I could be wrong, but the odds are heavily stacked that this is the greatest opportunity of our time.

[Patrician]

On one hand I have heard all the predictions about this becoming a depression not a recession, we haven't even seen the bottom yet, etc., etc.,

On the same hand if I was ever in trouble I would want Sal on my side.

On the other, 'money talks and bull**** walks' - not that the predictions are necessarily BS at all, but you have to 'when the world gives you lemons, make lemonade'.

Therefore, if people are making money at least at this point, then that is what I believe to be true right now. Unlike all other areas where I believe the unseen - my 'money' is on the tangible, proven results.

So all 'theory' and 'conjecture' aside, I will go with that which you can 'take to the bank'.

Should the sky fall then I will deal with it when that time comes. Unfortunately I won't be in a good position just like I am not for this opportunity.

Whatever - 'you reap what you sow'...

[HeySal]

But, the DOW does not reflect the much greater opportunity in small stocks and IPO's

Penny stocks in up and coming fields...........well, now you are talking to me, Paul. Not about your bet, which was based on DOW alone.

Yes, there are many up and comings that I hope to be a part of very soon. I got wiped in the first round of this crash, but will recoup in time to master a few of those under my belt. Not a high risk, and very good returns when they jump. Just made for us that got wiped out in the first round and are just shaking it off like dogs shake off water.

As far as the whole market, there is so much corruption the only way we know something won't tank completely is that they now have money from a source (which I don't believe we are allowed to mention here) any time they cry loud enough after stealing their company and investors blind.

The Dow got its big push when hemp was illegalized, realize. People no longer had quality and cheap natural fiber to make many of the things that were replaced by synthetic industrial swill. What happens if hemp is legalized again? I know so many people who would love to be able to buy hemp shopping bags, hemp jackets, shoes, etc in preference to chemical ladden synthetics....and the green movement assures that many would turn very rapidly. While Dow has instilled their swill into our society and environment with prodigious determination, I believe that in these times not only are we going to see a change in investment trends, ability, and laws........I believe we are also turning toward legalization of hemp and feel that will put Dow permanently on the back burner as a world leader and market indicator. Leaders do not always stay leaders.......GM as a case in point.

And that is how my Grandfather taught me to think. Unfortunately, it's not easy for a single woman to afford herself in this economy..... getting up from a smackdown and brushing off does not include high investment shuffling...........it involves foresight to pick the penny jumpers with acuity (and some luck). It involves knowing what will work and be accepted in the morrow and what part of a company's assets are reaped from the sales margin/what is the cost per product, etc. It also involves seeing patterns of agendas within controlling groups (many of which we are not allowed to mention in this forum).

As I said, sweet capitalist pig who I adore, have fun with your contest. I so hope you win even a shortlived victory. I'm sure Indy, being a spectacular artist btw in case you didn't know, will be able to create a wonderfully interesting sign for your victory, no matter how short lived it may be.

[myob]

Between Patricia and Sal, I don't think I have ever seen so much dogged determination to fail. But the bet between Indy and I is still on, for the DOW to reach 11,000 before July 4, 2010.

As I mentioned, the DOW is more of a psychological barometer of the economy, and 11,000 is only a 6.5% increase from now. It is not unrealistic to expect it to go even higher than that. But the percentage rise in the individual stocks of the NYSE will be many multiples higher than the DOW. For smaller markets like the NASDAQ and OTC penny stocks, the percentage rise rate will be even more dramatic. When the champagne corks start popping, I'm going to be dropping all those stocks. For unknown reasons to me, many people wait and buy at the top of the market.

I have been very successful because I have eliminated excuses for failure. Partrica is an affiliate for PIPS, and the pitchman, Stone Evans shows you how to earn $10,000 per month working part time from home. So, Patricia, what is holding you back? There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of people around you that would appreciate such an opportunity.

And Sal, you have so many talents and such a wide range of experience and knowledge, there is no doubt that you will bounce back. All I have ever meant to show here is that for every excuse there is to fail, there are thousands of ways to succeed. Don't give up.

I have been there. The reason I am so excited when the stock market goes down is because I know it will always go back up, and even higher than before. The only thing that never changes is that there will always be the same types of people saying this is the end of the world. I have a lot of fun with them, because it's just not so.

[HeySal]

And Sal, you have so many talents and such a wide range of experience and knowledge, there is no doubt that you will bounce back. All I have ever meant to show here is that for every excuse there is to fail, there are thousands of ways to succeed. Don't give up.

Why, thank you Paul. You can be sure that I am not one to "give up".
Actually - my excuse for getting smacked hard is actually my own fault. I used my heart to dictate what I should have been delegating to my left brain. Such is life. I will say that the stocks I was forced to liquidate were all of my own choice and none existed in what once was a portfolio, that had not split one or more times. I'm glad of that because I can't choose a winning horse to save my life.

There are factors now which hinder a quick recovery, but I have no doubts that my name is high on the "due to recover" llist. At this time I am foaming at the mouth to finish a product this week that will sell well at the end of each year subsequently. Because of the late date at which I thought of it, this will not be the peak of sales years for it, but I can look forward to a growing yearly patronage. And of course, my other endeavors are now back online - one tweak to one site and the money will resume from that direction. Things never got quite so bad for me as they could have despite making one huge and disasterous mistake in judgment. I'll kick myself later when I have time to do so.....right now I need that time and thought space for better uses, and the energy to jump a few more hurdles. As a matter of fact, I just received an email regarding my latest product that will help me to its completion.......so I will chat more later........see ya in the funny papers.

[Patrician]

Paul - Stone Evans is one of my clients. I am not a marketer and therein probably lies the rub. I am an affiliate merely as a token.

Please do not bring my client into this conversation. I make my money, and it is pretty good money, running the front end of his program - as a virtual administrator and from writing for article marketing sites and training (other clients).

I make good money (for me, nothing stellar but I am comfortable) - however I have massive debt that just keeps growing and terminally in the 'paycheck to paycheck' loop as a consequence.

The truth is I hate marketng and sales and I know that is where the big money is. I haven't marketed really in years.

Don't throw stuff in my face. I don't even know where you are coming from since I have supported your theories although I don't have the money to participate.

However I appreciate you acknowledging me as I feel this is like a private conversation that I am intruding in.

(get a room)

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Why, thank you Paul. You can be sure that I am not one to "give up".

That's my girl!

I've been there, really. And I lost big time when GM went under. My lesson is there is no such thing as a "sure thing". Fortunately I was diversified enough to fully recover, and way more than even I could have imagined with some other stock returns.

Many years ago (in the previous century) I worked for a computer company, and went on a job to upgrade a computer network in a stock broker's office. While I was there, one of the brokers right next to me yelled out "Oh Yea! ..." He had just made over 2.5 million dollars in the four hours that I was there.

After listening to him explain to the manager how he did it (making hundreds of intraday trades on volatile penny stocks), I asked him how I could get in on some of that action. He told me to bring in $10,000, and without any gurantee, he would see what he could do.

If it had been anyone else, I don't think I would have done it, but having seen it done right before my eyes, the very next day I brought in a cashier's check for $10,000. That was almost everything I had in savings and checking, but I did it.

This stockbroker put it all into a company called Newmont Mining, which was hovering around $3/share at the time. That just happened to be near it's lowest price ever (now it's at $51, symbol NEM, and pays great dividends). Because this stock was so volatile back then as well as very cheap, this stockbroker leveraged my holdings through intraday trading to over 10-fold during the next three years. Then, in June 1987, the stock split 2:1 and again in August 1987 splitting 3:2.

Been hooked on stocks ever since.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Patrician

...Don't throw stuff in my face. I don't even know where you are coming from since I have supported your theories although I don't have the money to participate....

This is a marketing forum, where we exchange ideas on making money. I always thought that you are in a very enviable position working with Stone Evans and the energy and excitement that must come from all those affiliates. I am here just offering ideas, and was hoping to share with others what has worked spectacularly for me. But success may come in many ways. It's just that I have been through times like these many many times, both personally and as a student of economic history. Negativity, unlike a healthy scepticism, serves no purpose except for the numbing of the senses toward opportunity.

After the darkness always comes the light, after the storm always comes the sunshine, after the bitterest and coldest winter always comes the spring and rebirth. After trials and failure, cling to faith and hope, for therein will always come success. Always remember you will be strenthened in knowing this; This too shall pass. May God bless you and keep you.

[Killer Joe]

Originally Posted by myob

The reason I am so excited when the stock market goes down is because I know it will always go back up, and even higher than before.

That's why they cull the losers from the DOW and replace them with 'winners'.

If they left the same 30 stocks there even when they fail it would sure change the landscape.

KJ

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by myob

This is a marketing forum, where we exchange ideas on making money. I always thought that you are in a very enviable position working with Stone Evans and the energy and excitement....

You are right about that part. Stone Evans is a little wizard. He is also the most positive person I have ever known.

I know that his super success is a direct result of his hard work but most of all because he is undaunted, no matter what. Negativity isn't even a blip on the screen - to him it doesn't even exist.

I think of his words, at least: 'don't feed negativity' (and 'just delete it') - and I learn from him every time I talk to him on any level. I just hope eventually more of his absolutely unshakable positivity will rub off on me!

... you would think I would be a real dyed in the wool 'Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm' by now, in my 5th year with him. I am getting better though - maybe by the old folks home I will be shining.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

That's why they cull the losers from the DOW and replace them with 'winners'.

If they left the same 30 stocks there even when they fail it would sure change the landscape.

KJ

Very good point. The DOW is based on 30 of the largest and most influential companies in the U.S. It can change as we have seen a number of times throughout its history since 1896. For that reason it does seem to have some weaknesses as a benchmark for the overall market.

The DOW is mostly psychological as I pointed out previously. I have traded a few times on the DOW index with some success, but most of my trading is done around a portfolio of a few hundred stocks in the NYSE, NASDAQ, and OTC.

[Indiana]

Patricia...Well said...Ma gazelle...This world...This masculine complex of cunning animals called daily exsistance...With its Win/lose...Yin/Yang...Simplicity...I reject...I cast it into the the deepest pits of Obscurity...To be ground down into the dust of oblivion...I spit upon their "money" their symbol of power...

Sally ma Bishe...Woman is my house...called beth...She is my mother...She has only one child it is me "man" She keeps me safe...From men...As promised...I will cast a spell...being a "child" of of my mother "women"...Such is the discourse of socerers...

I call upon...the most powerful femine neter...to protect and preserve...

SEKHMET ZA



"Between Patricia and Sal, I don't think I have ever seen so much dogged determination"

Indeed Paul...You are correct...They are "women girt with a sword"...As is your friend
Miss terraK...They are Sekhmet....Indy

Ps...Change...Your Title under your name to "Shemsu Hor"...You will be protected as well...Indy



SEKHMET ZA

[myob]

Originally Posted by Indiana

..."Between Patricia and Sal, I don't think I have ever seen so much dogged determination"

Indeed Paul...You are correct...They are "women girt with a sword"...As is your friend
Miss terraK...They are Sekhmet....Indy

Ps...Change...Your Title under your name to "Shemsu Hor"...You will be protected as well...Indy

My protection from the warrior goddess Sekhmet is to run away fast from that lioness, the fiercest hunter known to the Egyptians. One who is mightier than Orion, from whom I have been but a messenger and in hiding from the wrath of Ra, her father. Salut to Sekhmet with raised mug of ritual beer, music and dancing! Her sister Serket, is nicer, with kisses sweet as wine yet stings as the scorpion. I never met Sekhmet's other sister, Tefnut, but heard she's a tough nut to crack. My favorite one is Hathor, who is just like me; always loved the sky, love, beauty, children, and music, and she really turns me on with that cute and sexy red dress and hat. And then of course there was also this other much older sister of Sekhmet by the name of Nut. She was crazy about me, but too old for my tastes and she looks like a big-assed cow.

[Indiana]

You will not prevail...Mon ami...Change your Title...Honest...She is ...coming....Drop the male ego...We are talking about a neter not a concept...Or an idea...You are out of depths here....Stock market + 10....High magick...-10...Honest you have no idea...So mote it be....Indy

[myob]

Originally Posted by Indiana

...She is ...coming....
Indy

Indy, I swear to you and to her father almighty Ra, I have never even touched her!