So - How Did That Tony Robbins Event Turn Out

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I know this guy thinks he's 'hot stuff,' but this is ridiculous.

Some people will say anything and others will believe anything.

Dozens Treated for Burns After 'Firewalk' Exercise at Tony Robbins Event - NBC News

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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    He makes more money that you will ever make in your lifetime.
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      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      He makes more money that you will ever make in your lifetime.
      Well, at least we now know the yardstick that you choose to measure people by. Good for you. lol

      Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      He makes more money that you will ever make in your lifetime.
      And he's about to get sued for more money than Frank ever made in his lifetime too.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        And he's about to get sued for more money than Frank ever made in his lifetime too.
        Frank was smart. He gave up teaching his followers the science of 'fire-walking' and went with the art of 'rattlesnake-handling,' instead.

        Frank be no dummy!

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Frank was smart. He gave up teaching his followers the science of 'fire-walking' and went with the art of 'rattlesnake-handling,' instead.

          Frank be no dummy!

          Cheers. - Frank
          It reminds me of Dan Kennedy, selling his "How To Sell From The Front Of The Room" course...from the front of the room. And what you are learning is literally what he did to sell you the course.

          He actually gives some of the techniques, that he is using at that very moment to get you to buy.

          I once asked him if many people get that this is what he was doing, and he said something like, "No. They are in the ether, listening to a well crafted pitch. I can even tell them what I'm going, as I do it...and it makes no difference. I do it to amuse myself".

          I then asked him if he realized that he could be talking me out of buying...and he said "No. You weren't going to buy. You were probably taking notes on what i was doing though".

          (He already knew I was a speaker and sold from the front of the room)

          He was right, I was..
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      • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        And he's about to get sued for more money than Frank ever made in his lifetime too.
        I doubt it, for two reasons:

        1. He has Insurance that will cover this gross negligence liability.

        2. Even if his Insurance Company doesn't cover this gross negligence, Tony is leveraging off of another platform that will cover 70- 90% of his lawyer's fees.

        Just my 2 trillion cents worth here!

        JMB
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    Not relevant - it's not so much about Robbins as about people who will do anything they are told to do.

    I don't care who you are or how much you earn - my sweet little feet are not hitting the hot coals....
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    From what l have heard he charges $5000 per event, and corporations pay it since it is a tax riteoff, and well as some individuals.

    And his events arent any better than spending $30 for one of his books.

    His events do put you on a high, but unless he is throwing money into the audience, l wouldn't bother.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      And his events arent any better than spending $30 for one of his books
      Anyone that spends $30 on one of his books deserves what they get and should be made to pay for their poor investment by walking on hot coals. Do people really need to be told or taught the things that this guy espouses? You're saying that people are not smart enough, intuitive enough and lack the self-awareness required to figure this stuff out on their own by the time their around 18 years of age. That's just sad.

      This guy is the ultimate hustler and he probably taught Drumpf, everything he knows.

      People are funny - and sheep. lol

      Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Do people really need to be told or taught the things that this guy espouses? You're saying that people are not smart enough, intuitive enough and lack the self-awareness required to figure this stuff out on their own by the time their around 18 years of age. That's just sad.
        Actually , the guy has spent an enormous amount of time , effort, and resources to closely study and interview the most highly successful humans in the history of our Modern Society. And taken this incredible amount of data and applied his own personal insight and experience to form extremely useful personal help tools to get many people on the right track to success

        The fact is millions of people have benefited from him highly. Including known celebrities and athletes.

        Iam just glad that we do not have to subscribe to your Opinion of who is worthy and who is not in this World we live in

        I will take a pass on your purported Expert advice, thank you sir !! :>)
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          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I will take a pass on your purported Expert advice, thank you sir !! :>)
          Don't see where I claimed to be an expert on anything, but I'm comfortable with your loss.

          Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      From what l have heard he charges $5000 per event, and corporations pay it since it is a tax riteoff, and well as some individuals.

      And his events arent any better than spending $30 for one of his books.

      His events do put you on a high, but unless he is throwing money into the audience, l wouldn't bother.

      Lol at this guy. Oh jeez.

      "Aren't any better than spending $30 for one of his books."

      This guy obviously has never bought any of tony Robbins courses and definitely has never been to an event.

      Never experienced an insane 15 hour day until 230 in the morning rocking and rolling blowing the roof off the place.

      A $30 book doesn't give that to you. I've been to one and I plan on going to more.

      I recommend anyone to do it and experience it. Tony Robbins isn't getting any younger and no one else seems to be close to what he's capable of doing.

      So take the opportunity. I know I will again and again.
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      • Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

        Lol at this guy. Oh jeez.

        "Aren't any better than spending $30 for one of his books."

        This guy obviously has never bought any of tony Robbins courses and definitely has never been to an event.

        Never experienced an insane 15 hour day until 230 in the morning rocking and rolling blowing the roof off the place.

        A $30 book doesn't give that to you. I've been to one and I plan on going to more.

        I recommend anyone to do it and experience it. Tony Robbins isn't getting any younger and no one else seems to be close to what he's capable of doing.

        So take the opportunity. I know I will again and again.
        I've been to similar events as a speaker and as an attendee (I know, Robbins is unique...but not really). And these events are transformational. You leave, with the feeling you can do anything. But that feeling isn't permanent, so you want to go again and again.

        Ask yourself, what permanent benefit did you get from the experience? What did you learn, that you didn't know before?

        Of course, to many, that doesn't matter...it's the experience itself...the emotional high you get. Everyone cheering, crying, it can be intoxicating. Good faith healers and evangelists try to get the same feeling going.

        I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. And you are right, you cannot get the same feeling from a book...any book.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I've been to similar events as a speaker and as an attendee (I know, Robbins is unique...but not really). And these events are transformational. You leave, with the feeling you can do anything. But that feeling isn't permanent, so you want to go again and again.

          Ask yourself, what permanent benefit did you get from the experience? What did you learn, that you didn't know before?

          Of course, to many, that doesn't matter...it's the experience itself...the emotional high you get. Everyone cheering, crying, it can be intoxicating. Good faith healers and evangelists try to get the same feeling going.

          I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. And you are right, you cannot get the same feeling from a book...any book.
          I haven't figured out the cheering part yet, but at least we know why everyone was crying...
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          • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I haven't figured out the cheering part yet, but at least we know why everyone was crying...

            Ha.

            Seriously, These type of events are highly charged and emotional. I've spoken at events where every speaker cried on stage, told a heart rending story about their health (or a child's health) and the entire audience would be crying...and then cheering. (because the end of the story was a victory)

            Sometimes I was the only attendee that wasn't crying. And when speaking, I was the only speaker that wasn't going for the traumatic story and then the secret that saved me.

            It was always better for me to be the last speaker, because my approach was enthusiastic, but by comparison to other speakers, I was throwing cold water on the entire event.

            These emotional torrents (cheering or crying) just aren't part of my makeup, and I can't fake it convincingly.

            These events, no matter what else is sold, or what is taught, are always...always produced to sign up a portion of the audience for a very high dollar consulting/coaching package. They are choreographed productions. And they are put on by professionals, no matter what the audience thinks.

            And even a three or five day event is a long, choreographed sales presentation...getting you in a receptive mood, for the pitch selling the coaching program.

            There is nothing evil about this. Some people get great value from attending, and get great value from the programs they buy.

            But it just isn't me. And for some reason, nearly every speaker I know, thinks that getting an audience to cry and cheer...is a sign of success....even if they aren't selling something. Maybe it's just the type of person that is attracted to getting up in front of an audience and talking.
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  • Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    I know this guy thinks he's 'hot stuff,' but this is ridiculous.

    Some people will say anything and others will believe anything.

    Dozens Treated for Burns After 'Firewalk' Exercise at Tony Robbins Event - NBC News

    Cheers. - Frank
    The reason they got burned feet is that they really aren't supposed to be "walking over hot coals" They are supposed to be walking over hot coals.....covered in a thick layer of ash.


    The ash insulates the skin from the heat.

    Some idiot just forgot the trick.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      The reason they got burned feet is that they really aren't supposed to be "walking over hot coals" They are supposed to be walking over hot coals.....covered in a thick layer of ash.


      The ash insulates the skin from the heat.

      Some idiot just forgot the trick.
      These are Tony Robbins followers. Your use of the term 'idiot' is the height of redundancy.

      Cheers. - Frank

      P.S. The reason they got 'burned' is because they spent $5000 listening to this grifter, in the first place. You can't make this stuff up.
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      • Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        These are Tony Robbins followers. Your use of the term 'idiot' is the height of redundancy.

        Cheers. - Frank

        P.S. The reason they got 'burned' is because they spent $5000 listening to this grifter, in the first place. You can't make this stuff up.
        I don't see it that way. If you know who Tony Robbins is, and have read his books, watched his videos...and are willing to spend $5,000 to be around him for a few days, what's wrong with that?


        His message is uplifting, and some people are willing to pay for that.

        There are lots of things that cost $5,000 for a weekend; cruises, vacations, retreats of all kinds (religious, New Age, marketing).

        Now, personally, I have no respect for followers of these Gurus. But my personal prejudice doesn't mean I think it should apply to everyone else.

        When I went to Dan Kennedy events (to actually study how speakers sold from the front of the room, and to get booked as a speaker), I was astounded at how many were there , not to study marketing, but because they enjoyed the weekend with this group. To them, it was like a cruise, or an expensive road trip.

        And, to be fair, 80% or the country already believes things far sillier than anything Robbins could teach.

        A side note; These events are the very best place to prospect for business, if you are a guru yourself. Probably 20% of the attendees at the Dan Kennedy marketing events were there for the sole purpose of marketing to everyone else who attended.

        It's like a school of fish...where 20% of them are piranha. The piranha are there to eat the other fish.

        I know a very wealthy marketer, whose sole method of prospecting for new clients is attending these events, paying full price to be there, and talking to the attendees during breaks.


        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Tony Robbins, turns his life around from cleaning floors and being seriously overweight to wealthy and thinner.
        I want to address that.

        These guru origin stories are almost always made up. Robbins worked as a sales rep, selling tickets to events put on by Jim Rohn.

        He started selling the same kind of events for himself, and he had several things to his advantage; he's a gifted speaker, he used gimmicks like the fire walks and breaking boards, he just took some basic Neuro Linguistic Programming lessons, renamed them so he wouldn't get sued...and started his own thing.

        He actually didn't become wealthy, until the infomercials...and the back end sales to these buyers, was a high end seminar.

        He didn't become wealthy, and then start giving seminars. The seminars made him wealthy.

        Inside baseball.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I don't see it that way. If you know who Tony Robbins is, and have read his books, watched his videos...and are willing to spend $5,000 to be around him for a few days, what's wrong with that?
          Absolutely nothing. It's their money - they can waste it however they see fit. :-)
          His message is uplifting, and some people are willing to pay for that.
          You can say the same about drugs. Like I said, above, "Choose your poison." It's a free country.
          There are lots of things that cost $5,000 for a weekend; cruises, vacations, retreats of all kinds (religious, New Age, marketing).
          Hookers, hookers and more hookers. I'm choosing my own poison.
          Now, personally, I have no respect for followers of these Gurus. But my personal prejudice doesn't mean I think it should apply to everyone else.
          You're a very nice man. I'm not. I thought we had clearly established this fact, over the years. I can't be you.
          When I went to Dan Kennedy events (to actually study how speakers sold from the front of the room, and to get booked as a speaker), I was astounded at how many were there , not to study marketing, but because they enjoyed the weekend with this group. To them, it was like a cruise, or an expensive road trip.
          Nothing wrong with that, or going to a Tony Robbins event, if it makes you happy. I'm just a little, judgemental prick. Leave me alone. lol
          And, to be fair, 80% or the country already believes things far sillier than anything Robbins could teach.
          You mean like ghosts, Martians, Donald Trump and 'trickle-down economics?' Yes - I get that.
          A side note; These events are the very best place to prospect for business, if you are a guru yourself. Probably 20% of the attendees at the Dan Kennedy marketing events were there for the sold purpose of marketing to everyone else who attended.
          So much for the 'uplifting' part. When does the 'upselling' kick-in.
          It's like a school of fish...where 20% of them are piranha. The piranha are there to eat the other fish.

          I know a very wealthy marketer, whose sole method of prospecting for new clients is attending these events, paying full price to be there, and talking to the attendees during breaks.
          That's one of the single most pathetic things I have ever heard. When does the cyanide come out of the air conditioning events?

          Do you know what I think? I think topics like this would be great for discussion on a couple hours per week radio show. What do you think about that Claude? :-)

          Cheers. - Frank
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    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    Anyone that spends $30 on one of his books deserves what they get and should be made to pay for their poor investment by walking on hot coals. Do people really need to be told or taught the things that this guy espouses? You're saying that people are not smart enough, intuitive enough and lack the self-awareness required to figure this stuff out on their own by the time their around 18 years of age. That's just sad.

    This guy is the ultimate hustler and he probably taught Drumpf, everything he knows.

    People are funny - and sheep. lol

    Cheers. - Frank
    In one way that is true, but in another, hmmmm.

    I bought one of his books, a long time ago, and l learned one thing that helped me.

    $30 is subjective, but if l was investing a lot of time and money into business ideas, then l believe that it was worth it.

    But on the other hand l got a lot more from Robert Koyashaki's first book.


    But unfortunately most online Gurus, do have a underlining dodgy theme running through their material.

    Frank Kern builds an 8k list before spamming is made illegal, and that launches his career.

    Tony Robbins, turns his life around from cleaning floors and being seriously overweight to wealthy and thinner.

    But can anyone get out of a crap job and lose some weight, (of course) but can anyone become a motivational speaker, not really.

    Most gurus are like that, right place, right time, and then they try to sell the idea that anyone can ignore that lucky break and create wealth.

    You cannot sell, luck, but they do try.

    And before someone gets into me about Frank Kern, l did get a look at his name list product, $1800, and there is no sure fire way to wealth in it, just a lot of well done videos, showing how to maintain and extract money from a reasonably sized list.

    Little about how to create the list in the first place!

    For the most part, high prices and high fluff.


    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    These are Tony Robbins followers. Your use of the term 'idiot' is the height of redundancy.

    Cheers. - Frank

    P.S. The reason they got 'burned' is because they spent $5000 listening to this grifter, in the first place. You can't make this stuff up.
    $5000, Lol, frank how about $15,000 to go and see him at his house for 15 minutes.

    But l think that he also coaches them for a while, and gets them to walk on coals, and jump out of a plane to overcome fear.

    I personally thought that this was pretty dumb, overall, just buy one of his books, save the 15k, and go and jump out of a plane on your own!

    P*** money up against a tree, pretty much covers it.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I personally thought that this was pretty dumb, overall, just buy one of his books, save the 15k, and go and jump out of a plane on your own!

      P*** money up against a tree, pretty much covers it.
      Of course, you could skip the book, skip the jumping out of a plane, skip the $15 personal coaching and learn what science already teaches us. Fear is a good thing. It's one of the main reasons that the human species has made it this far.

      Yes, of course I'm being facetious. If Mr. Robbins actually helps anyone, that's great and I'm all for it. We all get to choose our poison - in a manner of speaking.

      Frank Kern is another one that I simply don't get. I'm sure that he is probably a very nice man who loves his kids and his dog, but I subscribe to his mailing just to be astounded at what people will fall for. I laugh, uproariously at his mailings.

      Yes - I know, I will never have Mr. Kern's nor Mr. Robbins' money, yet, somehow I am totally OK with with that fact. We all aspire to different things in life.

      I just don't believe in selling dreams. I prefer to make my own dreams come true without depending on others to get me there. Of course, my dreams have been minimal as I have never aspired to great wealth, fame or notoriety. I'm content, so I'm happy. I possess everything I want or need. You can't ask for more than that in life.

      To each, his own path.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Frank Kern is another one that I simply don't get. I'm sure that he is probably a very nice man who loves his kids and his dog, but I subscribe to his mailing just to be astounded at what people will fall for. I laugh, uproariously at his mailings.
        Frank Kern (as far as I know) makes most of his money showing people how to sell programs, either by speaking to groups, or with webinars. He uses his programs to sell them, as his product. You re literally paying for his sales sequence...that got you to buy his sales sequence. Nothing wrong with that. It's useful information...it just strikes me as funny.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Frank Kern (as far as I know) makes most of his money showing people how to sell programs, either by speaking to groups, or with webinars. He uses his programs to sell them, as his product. You re literally paying for his sales sequence...that got you to buy his sales sequence. Nothing wrong with that. It's useful information...it just strikes me as funny.
          I can't say whether it's useful or not - only that they way it's promoted is something I will never understand. Just another guy hawking dreams.

          Cheers. - Frank
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    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    Absolutely nothing. It's their money - they can waste it however they see fit. :-)
    You can say the same about drugs. Like I said, above, "Choose your poison." It's a free country.
    Hookers, hookers and more hookers. I'm choosing my own poison.
    You're a very nice man. I'm not. I thought we had clearly established this fact, over the years. I can't be you.
    Nothing wrong with that, or going to a Tony Robbins event, if it makes you happy. I'm just a little, judgemental prick. Leave me alone. lol
    You mean like ghosts, Martians, Donald Trump and 'trickle-down economics?' Yes - I get that.
    So much for the 'uplifting' part. When does the 'upselling' kick-in.
    That's one of the single most pathetic things I have ever heard. When does the cyanide come out of the air conditioning events?

    Do you know what I think? I think topics like this would be great for discussion on a couple hours per week radio show. What do you think about that Claude? :-)

    Cheers. - Frank
    I wonder how many people are desperate and go to one of his events with their last dollar, only to find a few days later, after the high wears off, to come to the realization that they learn't very little from it?

    5k is a hell of a lot of money, for a pep talk.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Frank Kern (as far as I know) makes most of his money showing people how to sell programs, either by speaking to groups, or with webinars. He uses his programs to sell them, as his product. You re literally paying for his sales sequence...that got you to buy his sales sequence. Nothing wrong with that. It's useful information...it just strikes me as funny.
    Yes, that and selling to high end clients, or clients that typically pay 10k a month for his info,.

    But as Frank has stated, most if not all of this high end info, is common sence.

    One is creating a back end sales funnel from hell, or just thrashing the hell out of a series of spin off products.

    But this is all subjective, and big business usually pays a lot in tax, so why not.

    Use pretax dollars, for hopefully a benefit.

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    I wonder how you "sue" for something like that.

    You stand up in court and say "he told me to walk on burning coals....and when I did it burned my feet". One fellow admitted when his feet started to burn it would have been a good idea to jump off the coals - but he he didn't to that.

    I got a kick out of the article below....

    Tony Robbins’ faithful say fire-walk victims lacked focus, but Parkland burn expert says ‘don’t do it’ | | Dallas Morning News
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I wonder how you "sue" for something like that.

      You stand up in court and say "he told me to walk on burning coals....and when I did it burned my feet". One fellow admitted when his feet started to burn it would have been a good idea to jump off the coals - but he he didn't to that.

      I got a kick out of the article below....

      Tony Robbins’ faithful say fire-walk victims lacked focus, but Parkland burn expert says ‘don’t do it’ | | Dallas Morning News
      I'd hope my lawyer would present a better case than that. Plenty of people walk on hot coals without getting burned. The first question I'd ask as the plaintiffs' lawyer would be, why did these people get burned and the many others didn't?


      I'm not saying I think they should be awarded any money, only made a joke about a suit. On the other hand, I didn't think a woman would win millions after dropping a cup of coffee in her lap.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I wonder how you "sue" for something like that.
      Seriously, in the US in 2016 with an ocean of scumbag lawyers. lol You slay me!

      I got a kick out of the article below....
      The best part: " Participants spent the entire first day of the four-day event preparing themselves to achieve their “peak state” before walking across the 15 feet of coals.

      But social media and smartphones are a powerful distraction that can shake that focus, said Tad Schinke, who has been a crew member at more than 100 Robbins events."

      “I’ve seen people halfway through the fire walk pulling their phones out to video themselves,” Schinke said. “It’s frustrating. My job is to prepare them for the walk, but once they’re out on the coals, they’re on their own.”

      Translation: "Good luck, losers!"

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I wonder how you "sue" for something like that.

      You stand up in court and say "he told me to walk on burning coals....and when I did it burned my feet". One fellow admitted when his feet started to burn it would have been a good idea to jump off the coals - but he he didn't to that.

      I got a kick out of the article below....

      Tony Robbins’ faithful say fire-walk victims lacked focus, but Parkland burn expert says ‘don’t do it’ | | Dallas Morning News
      It has nothing to do with focus. It has everything to do with how you prepare the coals, and how long you wait before anyone walks on them.

      Here are a few tidbits in the world of "Magic stunts that look like amazing meditative feats".

      If the hot coals have enough ash on top, your feet don't get burned. If there is no ash on top, you get burned. It has nothing to do with belief, faith, the power of will, the subconscious, or how in tune you are with nature. Enough insulation from the white ash (they say the white ash means it's "White hot".) and you don't get burned.

      I've laid on a bed of nails, with no shirt on, and had 300 pounds of concrete broken on my chest, with a sledgehammer. It's a trick of physics. The most amazing part is that some of the people doing it, actually think they have abilities.

      You don't need an entire day to get in a proper mental state. They need a day to build and cement your belief, so you can be sold high end consulting and coaching programs.


      Kay; This wasn't directed at you. But your post brought up the article.


      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      The best part: " Participants spent the entire first day of the four-day event preparing themselves to achieve their “peak state” before walking across the 15 feet of coals.
      "peak state". Silly, silly, silly.

      My guess is that the next day (after everyone has proven to themselves that Tony made them fireproof), the real pitch begins.

      I actually used to study how these guys did it...making millions in a three or four day event.
      The sole reason I never did this myself, is the deep utter contempt I developed for the attendees that followed the guru.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        It has nothing to do with focus. It has everything to do with how you prepare the coals, and how long you wait before anyone walks on them.

        Here are a few tidbits in the world of "Magic stunts that look like amazing meditative feats".

        If the hot coals have enough ash on top, your feet don't get burned. If there is no ash on top, you get burned. Idiots. It has nothing to do with belief, faith, the power of will, the subconscious, or how in tune you are with nature. Enough insulation from the white ash (they say the white ash means it's "White hot". Morons believe it) and you don't get burned.

        I've laid on a bed of nails, with no shirt on, and had 300 pounds of concrete broken on my chest, with a sledgehammer. It's a trick of physics. The most amazing part is that some of the people doing it, actually think they have abilities. More idiots.

        You don't need three days to get in a proper mental state. They need three days to sell you high end consulting and coaching programs.
        Ash is only part of it, not "everything". Maybe the most important factor is how long a foot is in contact with the coals, which is why no one takes a slow stroll over the coals, except you.

        The bed of nails is all about the pressure caused by the weight and area of the person, factored with the area and the density of the individual nails. Basically it comes down to nails per square foot vs the weight put on the nails. In your case, you need 6-7 more nails per square foot to be able to be supported by the nails than the average person. I'm estimate for a bed of nails to support you, every nail from Home Depot in a 500 mile radius needed to be used.
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        • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Ash is only part of it, not "everything". Maybe the most important factor is how long a foot is in contact with the coals, which is why no one takes a slow stroll over the coals, except you.
          Another reason to have enough ash, is that a hot coal will stick to flesh that it's burning. Ash sticks to the foot, and creates a barrier that lasts at least as long as the walk.

          You need to walk fast for two reasons;
          1) sweat from your feet conducts heat. Once your feet get sweaty, you can get burned as well.

          2) If you have a hundred people to get across the coals...make it snappy. Slow walks aren't as motivational. And of course, there is plenty of applause and congratulations when you get to the other side. It's a very important step in cementing a bond with Tony. (and the other attendees).


          I remember the first time I was shown the bed of nails, along with a speech about Chi...and Internal Power. I instantly worked out that it was the number of nails per square inch, And the the sledge hammer broke the concrete slabs, but the force didn't travel into your body.

          When our instructor wasn't there, I asked another student to lay the concrete on me, and break it with the sledgehammer. Three 100 pound slabs (it wasn't easy) on my chest.

          The other student told our instructor what we did, and he was forced to say that I had very strong internal power.

          I quit later that month. After years of training, the other students were now believers.....
          but I never was. It's a shame. We had real skills. There was no need for BS and trickery.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Another reason to have enough ash, is that a hot coal will stick to flesh that it's burning. Ash sticks to the foot, and creates a barrier that lasts at least as long as the walk.

            You need to walk fast for two reasons;
            1) sweat from your feet conducts heat. Once your feet get sweaty, you can get burned as well.

            2) If you have a hundred people to get across the coals...make it snappy. Slow walks aren't as motivational. And of course, there is plenty of applause and congratulations when you get to the other side. It's a very important step in cementing a bond with Tony. (and the other attendees).


            I remember the first time I was shown the bed of nails, along with a speech about Chi...and Internal Power. I instantly worked out that it was the number of nails per square inch, And the the sledge hammer broke the concrete slabs, but the force didn't travel into your body.

            When our instructor wasn't there, I asked another student to lay the concrete on me, and break it with the sledgehammer. Three 100 pound slabs (it wasn't easy) on my chest.

            The other student told our instructor what we did, and he was forced to say that I had very strong internal power.

            I quit later that month. After years of training, the other students were now believers.....
            but I never was. It's a shame. We had real skills. There was no need for BS and trickery.
            All your information about walking on hot coals will really come in handy the next time I'm captured by cannibalistic headhunters in Papua New Guinea and need to perform acts of bravery to gain my release.
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    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I'm not saying I think they should be awarded any money, only made a joke about a suit. On the other hand, I didn't think a woman would win millions after dropping a cup of coffee in her lap.
    Yet you still see warning stickers on lawnmowers telling people not to stick their hands under the mower when the blade is spinning.

    One of my old bosses told a story about the origin of that warning.

    Seems two neighbors wanted to go fishing, but their wives insisted that they trim the hedges before they did anything else. And we know how persuasive wives can be about stuff like that. So the two guys decided to crank up the mower and each grabbed a set of wheels. They lifted the mower to about chest height and started walking it down the hedge between their yards.

    Worked great until one of them caught a spec in their eye and dropped their side of the mower. The other one tried to catch it, and ended up losing the fingers on one hand.

    They sued the mower manufacturer, and won.

    Another old boss liked to say that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average person.
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    I thought the cell phone comments in one article were hilarious. Can you see these idjits starting their walk - pulling out their phone and stopping to get the image right....owwwww

    I"ve always thought things like this were silly. I've had friends tell me I'm odd because I don't "believe" in those exciting things they buy into. There is a little man on my shoulder with a tiny sledgehammer....and if I even think about following someone into fire walking or believing in various nutty stuff...the little man whomps me on the head.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    It has nothing to do with focus. It has everything to do with how you prepare the coals, and how long you wait before anyone walks on them.

    Here are a few tidbits in the world of "Magic stunts that look like amazing meditative feats".

    If the hot coals have enough ash on top, your feet don't get burned. If there is no ash on top, you get burned. It has nothing to do with belief, faith, the power of will, the subconscious, or how in tune you are with nature. Enough insulation from the white ash (they say the white ash means it's "White hot".) and you don't get burned.

    You don't need an entire day to get in a proper mental state. They need a day to build and cement your belief, so you can be sold high end consulting and coaching programs.


    "peak state". Silly, silly, silly.

    My guess is that the next day (after everyone has proven to themselves that Tony made them fireproof), the real pitch begins.

    I actually used to study how these guys did it...making millions in a three or four day event.
    The sole reason I never did this myself, is the deep utter contempt I developed for the attendees that followed the guru.
    Yep, l went to an Amway event, (well, some friends, roped,...ahem, invited me) and l did feel like l got a shot of some illicit drug at the event, and it took me a few days to come down to earth.

    Yes, Tony and many others know this state, and get an individual into the highest state possible before they hard sell.

    Give me 15k, and you can spent 15 minutes with me on my private Hawaiian home, and over the next few weeks l will throw you out of a plane, and coach you a bit.

    And give you the name of a good doctor when it is all over, and depression sets in.


    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    I thought the cell phone comments in one article were hilarious. Can you see these idjits starting their walk - pulling out their phone and stopping to get the image right....owwwww

    I"ve always thought things like this were silly. I've had friends tell me I'm odd because I don't "believe" in those exciting things they buy into. There is a little man on my shoulder with a tiny sledgehammer....and if I even think about following someone into fire walking or believing in various nutty stuff...the little man whomps me on the head.
    Yep, l have read a box of motivational books, and they all cater to the "do what you love, and the money will drop from the sky" crap.

    Do what you like, more likely.

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    True story...

    There is a well known Realtor here. I wanted to do some business with him with one of my RE sites. He loved my idea, but I had to talk to his G.M. first. No problem, right?

    His G.M. tells me that in order for "us" to do business, I have to take their test. They do it with anyone, including the Brokers that work for them! It's a Tony Robbins test.

    So, you have to be a sheep to work for them and work with them. I refused to take the test for them, but I did take it on my own. I wanted to see what it entailed. Total and utter horseshit! Seriously.

    If you think on your own or just slightly outside of his margins, you're "incompatible" to say the least. Now here's the funniest part....

    Over the years, we have put this home on the market for various reasons. I have used said Broker's company to come and look at it, and some have shown up as the Buyer's agent. All were the same! It was like the freaking Stepford Wives!

    I actually invited the lead Broker to my home. I wanted to study his sales technique. He was very forceful. "My way or the highway" on how he wanted to represent our home. He simply would not accept the fact that I will not leave my property when there is a showing!
    **I have a stallion, he can and will bite**
    **I also have waterfront property. I have seen many, many people let their children just run loose, and I'm talking little ones. All the while their Broker was sitting in my garage talking to my husband while the buyers walked through my home. Ain't gonna happen!**

    None of that mattered. He was also unwilling to have "our" agent present for every showing. Fools.

    Tony Robbins followers ... sheep.

    Just my opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

      True story...


      **I have a stallion, he can and will bite**
      **I also have waterfront property. I have seen many, many people let their children just run loose, and I'm talking little ones. All the while their Broker was sitting in my garage talking to my husband while the buyers walked through my home. Ain't gonna happen!**

      None of that mattered. He was also unwilling to have "our" agent present for every showing. Fools.

      Tony Robbins followers ... sheep.

      Just my opinion
      Yes, we get that crap in AU, as well, the parents have a iphone in their face, and the children run rampant.

      I am beginning to think that regardless of what is happening, just take a look at your iphone and all will be well.

      Jump out of a plane, and the parachute doesn't open, no problems, just get your iphone out and all will be well.

      I have followed a lot of Gurus online, at least until l sussed them out, then not so much.

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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        You mean like ghosts, Martians, Donald Trump and 'trickle-down economics?'
        The trouble with "trickle-down" is that a "trickle" means most of the flow is shut off.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        There is a little man on my shoulder with a tiny sledgehammer....and if I even think about following someone into fire walking or believing in various nutty stuff...the little man whomps me on the head.
        I've always wondered why you were nicknamed "Lumpy."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    My Grandfather used to say "your conscience sits on your left shoulder and there's still room for common sense on the right".

    As I child, I took that literally....
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      My Grandfather used to say "your conscience sits on your left shoulder and there's still room for common sense on the right".

      As I child, I took that literally....
      I would have liked your grandfather.
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    Most liked it but a few felt like they got burned.
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    • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      All your information about walking on hot coals will really come in handy the next time I'm captured by cannibalistic headhunters in Papua New Guinea and need to perform acts of bravery to gain my release.
      I'm just sitting here...sipping my soda, imagining you being hunted by cannibals. Thanks for the great visual. Believe me, one bite, and they will let you go, like the foul tasting slug that you are.



      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Most liked it but a few felt like they got burned.
      I think that's an important point. If they enjoy the experience, and feel that they get something out of it, why not?

      After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.

      The story of a few getting their feet burned just highlights the fact that their feet can get burned, if the coals aren't prepared the right way. But I imagine that the event wasn't ruined for others. In fact, if handled well, it can strengthen their bond with Robbins.

      "The coals are real. The heat is real. As proof, a few even got burned. So the fact that my feet didn't get burned proves that I was in a state of Flow...Robbins' teachings work.....and Robbins is the real deal"".

      See? I'm actually pretty good at this.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'm just sitting here...sipping my soda, imagining you being hunted by cannibals. Thanks for the great visual. Believe me, one bite, and they will let you go, like the foul tasting slug that you are.





        I think that's an important point. If they enjoy the experience, and feel that they get something out of it, why not?

        After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.

        The story of a few getting their feet burned just highlights the fact that their feet can get burned, if the coals aren't prepared the right way. But I imagine that the event wasn't ruined for others. In fact, if handled well, it can strengthen their bond with Robbins.

        "The coals are real. The heat is real. As proof, a few even got burned. So the fact that my feet didn't get burned proves that I was in a state of Flow...Robbins' teachings work.....and Robbins is the real deal"".

        See? I'm actually pretty good at this.
        I think you have been snorting too much Coke.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.
        Yes, I did read your post of my own volition, but whenever I do, I generally feel like a victim of both fraud and intellectual rape.

        Keep up the good work.

        Cheers. - Frank
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Yep, l went to an Amway event, (well, some friends, roped,...ahem, invited me) and l did feel like l got a shot of some illicit drug at the event, and it took me a few days to come down to earth.
    When I was a kid, I wheedled my parents to take me to an outdoor show. Little did we know that during the same weekend, the arena was also hosting both a pro wrestling event (pre-WWE) and an Amway rally.

    Somehow, we got into the wrong line for tickets. The line was actually a pretty good time, with cheering and yelling, some people even singing. We thought it was the wrestling line (as a kid, I watched the Saturday morning wrestling show on TV). I asked who the main event was, and the guy behind me gave me a name. I said I never heard of the guy - did he wear a mask? The guy got indignant and said he was the top distributor from somewhere.

    At the word "distributor", my folks hustled me out of that line like someone had yelled "fire"!

    We did finally get to the outdoor show, and I spent my next six months' allowance on fishing doodads and such, much of which turned out to be junk. But that's another story.
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    I would have liked your grandfather.
    I adored him - but he ruined my chances for a life of crime...even on a small scale.
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Most liked it but a few felt like they got burned.
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I think that's an important point. If they enjoy the experience, and feel that they get something out of it, why not?

    After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.

    The story of a few getting their feet burned just highlights the fact that their feet can get burned, if the coals aren't prepared the right way. But I imagine that the event wasn't ruined for others. In fact, if handled well, it can strengthen their bond with Robbins.

    "The coals are real. The heat is real. As proof, a few even got burned. So the fact that my feet didn't get burned proves that I was in a state of Flow...Robbins' teachings work.....and Robbins is the real deal"".

    See? I'm actually pretty good at this.
    You need to realize that Claude is a little slow in the head. He'll eventually get your "burned" joke. Hopefully he won't need more than another day or two to catch on...
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    Wonder if he will be sued for this. Was there a disclaimer in the course?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Arlolo View Post

      Wonder if he will be sued for this. Was there a disclaimer in the course?
      Tony did not stick around to find out. He hot footed outta there.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Tony did not stick around to find out. He hot footed outta there.
        Why is it you haven't been banned yet?

        I'm not talking about from this forum, I mean the human race.

        You certainly deserve to be PUNished.
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Why is it you haven't been banned yet?

          I'm not talking about from this forum, I mean the human race.

          You certainly deserve to be PUNished.
          You have uncovered my Secret Marvel Superhero Persona. Yes, I am The PUNisher. Dedicated to make people moan, but not with pain, but with my deadly Pun weponary. I call it the Pun Gun. One post and they are overcome with chronic eye rolling, head shaking and sheer despair at the corniness. They yell, stop, stop, but I go on posting until they beg for mercy or hit the ignore button.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

    When I was a kid, I wheedled my parents to take me to an outdoor show. Little did we know that during the same weekend, the arena was also hosting both a pro wrestling event (pre-WWE) and an Amway rally.

    Somehow, we got into the wrong line for tickets. The line was actually a pretty good time, with cheering and yelling, some people even singing. We thought it was the wrestling line (as a kid, I watched the Saturday morning wrestling show on TV). I asked who the main event was, and the guy behind me gave me a name. I said I never heard of the guy - did he wear a mask? The guy got indignant and said he was the top distributor from somewhere.

    At the word "distributor", my folks hustled me out of that line like someone had yelled "fire"!

    We did finally get to the outdoor show, and I spent my next six months' allowance on fishing doodads and such, much of which turned out to be junk. But that's another story.
    Yes, say that their soap powder is crap, and you'd better grab your first born.


    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I'm just sitting here...sipping my soda, imagining you being hunted by cannibals. Thanks for the great visual. Believe me, one bite, and they will let you go, like the foul tasting slug that you are.
    Least you didn't say,.....sitting on the dock of the bay, wasting.......donuts...




    I think that's an important point. If they enjoy the experience, and feel that they get something out of it, why not?

    After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.

    The story of a few getting their feet burned just highlights the fact that their feet can get burned, if the coals aren't prepared the right way. But I imagine that the event wasn't ruined for others. In fact, if handled well, it can strengthen their bond with Robbins.

    "The coals are real. The heat is real. As proof, a few even got burned. So the fact that my feet didn't get burned proves that I was in a state of Flow...Robbins' teachings work.....and Robbins is the real deal"".

    See? I'm actually pretty good at this.
    We need to run a test, throw a skeptic in the hot coals and a believer and see who burns in hell first?



    PS that was a joke, by the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I suggest you just sit back and relax while watching a Bernie Mac movie.
    Or maybe some Benny Hill on YouTube...

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      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Or maybe some Benny Hill on YouTube...

      Benny Hill Chase - YouTube

      John...do you happen to be a graduate of the Claude School of Joke Getting?


      BTW, did you like Bernie Kopell better on Get Smart or the Love Boat?
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      • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        John...do you happen to be a graduate of the Claude School of Joke Getting?


        BTW, did you like Bernie Kopell better on Get Smart or the Love Boat?
        Keep making fun of me. I may be an idiot. But the one thing I am not...is an idiot.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        John...do you happen to be a graduate of the Claude School of Joke Getting?


        BTW, did you like Bernie Kopell better on Get Smart or the Love Boat?
        You mean Benny didn't inspire the TR fire walk?

        Definitely, Get Smart.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

        Lol at this guy. Oh jeez.

        "Aren't any better than spending $30 for one of his books."

        This guy obviously has never bought any of tony Robbins courses and definitely has never been to an event.

        Never experienced an insane 15 hour day until 230 in the morning rocking and rolling blowing the roof off the place.

        A $30 book doesn't give that to you. I've been to one and I plan on going to more.

        I recommend anyone to do it and experience it. Tony Robbins isn't getting any younger and no one else seems to be close to what he's capable of doing.

        So take the opportunity. I know I will again and again.
        So you recommend that someone spend his last 5k, on this,....lol, yeah, sounds like a plan!

        15 hour day, dancing til 2.30 am, well l am convinced, l can see now how that will make me rich!

        I have been to an Amway meeting and know about the high aspect, and also know that like a drug, you need to keep throwing money at it, to feel good.

        But l can get a high out of a piece of chocolate cake and seeing a decent movie, for $30, than p*** away a fortune on this,....

        And l have watched all of his tv series, read one of his books and watched the occasional video.

        And gone to some Brad Sugars seminars as well, similar, but cheaper.

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I've been to similar events as a speaker and as an attendee (I know, Robbins is unique...but not really). And these events are transformational. You leave, with the feeling you can do anything. But that feeling isn't permanent, so you want to go again and again.

        Ask yourself, what permanent benefit did you get from the experience? What did you learn, that you didn't know before?

        Of course, to many, that doesn't matter...it's the experience itself...the emotional high you get. Everyone cheering, crying, it can be intoxicating. Good faith healers and evangelists try to get the same feeling going.

        I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. And you are right, you cannot get the same feeling from a book...any book.
        Thanks Claude, sounds like someone who just spend a bundle and is trying to convince himself and the rest of us that we should go.

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        • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Thanks Claude, sounds like someone who just spend a bundle and is trying to convince himself and the rest of us that we should go.

          I think the poster is trying to share something he feels strongly about. And many people that attend these events, go back again and again. Clearly, they are getting something out of it.

          He's not trying to convince himself of anything. He's trying to let others know about something he believes would help others.
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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        I went.

        People do get burned, mostly people who don't do the exercises. Shows you that you simply cannot be lazy in this world.

        I went last year, and I'm going back in a few days actually. Absolutely love this seminar.

        It is not about motivation, it is about teaching yourself to take action, constantly. Lots of people in this thread should attend.

        Funny fact: People who are against these seminars often have this negative attitude with everything in their life.

        Funny fact #2: This thread really shows that success is not for everybody. It's just not for everybody. I don't know if it is IQ or something...But it is the truth...One guy in this thread laughed about Trump, but Trump won the election. Same guy laughed about Tony Robbins, but Tony Robbins is almost a Billionaire and people like me absolutely love his programs, same guy also got banned in the process.

        Natural selection at its best.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I think the poster is trying to share something he feels strongly about. And many people that attend these events, go back again and again. Clearly, they are getting something out of it.

        He's not trying to convince himself of anything. He's trying to let others know about something he believes would help others.
        Never experienced an insane 15 hour day until 230 in the morning rocking and rolling blowing the roof off the place
        Maybe you are right Claude, he seems to be saying that spending, (hopefully no more than $600) that a 15 hour day, crying, hugging and yelling and dancing is better than one of his books?

        From a motivational stanpoint, it probably is. But l still cannot see how being on a high for a few days, is going to make money for me, not unless l go into public speaking, or sales?

        That is where l am coming from, better to spend the money on your business.


        It is not about motivation, it is about teaching yourself to take action, constantly. Lots of people in this thread should attend.
        Take action, l still don't get it!


        Funny fact: People who are against these seminars often have this negative attitude with everything in their life.

        Funny fact #2: This thread really shows that success is not for everybody. It's just not for everybody. I don't know if it is IQ or something...But it is the truth...
        (Shaking my head) this forum really has dropped down to Newbsville levels.

        I am against blowing $600 to 5k, on a motivational similar, that only puts someone on a high, and does zero in showing techniques or tricks to get ahead.

        I did consider going to a Robert Koyosaki seminar, (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) but he charged an excessive amount, and offered little in regards to actually making money from it.

        Read most of his books.

        If you and others want to spend that sort of money for a high, then go ahead. But l would go to a Roulette table if l wanted to spend 5k, at least l have a 50% chance of doubling it.

        I would go easy on the IQ remarks, l will be rich in the next few years online, and l have never been to one TR seminars.

        I will become wealthy due to hard work, persistence, being at a low point countless times, and finding opportunities when they appear.

        And investing wisely in infrastructure when needed, that helps to create more passive income.

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        • Profile picture of the author MValmont
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Maybe you are right Claude, he seems to be saying that spending, (hopefully no more than $600) that a 15 hour day, crying, hugging and yelling and dancing is better than one of his books?

          From a motivational stanpoint, it probably is. But l still cannot see how being on a high for a few days, is going to make money for me, not unless l go into public speaking, or sales?

          That is where l am coming from, better to spend the money on your business.






          Take action, l still don't get it!




          (Shaking my head) this forum really has dropped down to Newbsville levels.

          I am against blowing $600 to 5k, on a motivational similar, that only puts someone on a high, and does zero in showing techniques or tricks to get ahead.

          I did consider going to a Robert Koyosaki seminar, (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) but he charged an excessive amount, and offered little in regards to actually making money from it.

          Read most of his books.

          If you and others want to spend that sort of money for a high, then go ahead. But l would go to a Roulette table if l wanted to spend 5k, at least l have a 50% chance of doubling it.

          I would go easy on the IQ remarks, l will be rich in the next few years online, and l have never been to one TR seminars.

          I will become wealthy due to hard work, persistence, being at a low point countless times, and finding opportunities when they appear.

          And investing wisely in infrastructure when needed, that helps to create more passive income.

          You know the difference between me and you?

          You tell me about how you are going to be rich in a few years,

          I am ALREADY rich. Because I've worked my ass off.

          This is why you don't understand when I say this seminar is about taking action.

          This forum is filled with people that KNOW what to do, but they don't do it. They often have thousands of posts and try to play the modarator's role (gives them a false sense of achievement).

          In the end, it is not about having dreams, ambitions, it is about producing something.

          I like how you talk about if you actually went there. Again, talking a lot but no real actions. Break that pattern now. Stop talking about what you don't know, stop wishing about the future.....Experience your live NOW by taking action.

          I find this absolutely fascinating. You guys realize you are arguing with someone that actually went? If you guys went also and I thought it sucked, then maybe this conversation would make sense.

          You are your own worst enemy.
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          • Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

            You know the difference between me and you?

            You tell me about how you are going to be rich in a few years,

            I am ALREADY rich. Because I've worked my ass off.

            This is why you don't understand when I say this seminar is about taking action.

            This forum is filled with people that KNOW what to do, but they don't do it. They often have thousands of posts and try to play the modarator's role (gives them a false sense of achievement).

            In the end, it is not about having dreams, ambitions, it is about producing something.

            I like how you talk about if you actually went there. Again, talking a lot but no real actions. Break that pattern now. Stop talking about what you don't know, stop wishing about the future.....Experience your live NOW by taking action.

            I find this absolutely fascinating. You guys realize you are arguing with someone that actually went? If you guys went also and I thought it sucked, then maybe this conversation would make sense.

            You are your own worst enemy.
            I see someone has not learned anything this is a persons opinion so you dont have to make it about you !! you could have written most of the thread and not been a troll

            The old saying if nothing nice to write then don't write!

            And you take life way to seriously this is the off topic and the slogan is anything goes just not political or religious threads

            The rest is just have fun and take the Micky out of Claude
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

            You know the difference between me and you?

            You tell me about how you are going to be rich in a few years,

            I am ALREADY rich. Because I've worked my ass off.

            This is why you don't understand when I say this seminar is about taking action.

            This forum is filled with people that KNOW what to do, but they don't do it. They often have thousands of posts and try to play the modarator's role (gives them a false sense of achievement).

            In the end, it is not about having dreams, ambitions, it is about producing something.

            I like how you talk about if you actually went there. Again, talking a lot but no real actions. Break that pattern now. Stop talking about what you don't know, stop wishing about the future.....Experience your live NOW by taking action.

            I find this absolutely fascinating. You guys realize you are arguing with someone that actually went? If you guys went also and I thought it sucked, then maybe this conversation would make sense.

            You are your own worst enemy.
            Ok, fair point, and for the sake of this discussion l will assume that you are well off.

            True, this forum is full of newbies, that don't do much. I will take your word for that, since all l have come across is newbies grasping into a Shiny object, and taking action to make it cough up.

            True we are arguing with someone that went, but as Claude and l have said we have gone to this or similar setups.

            If someone wants to spend $600 so they do something, then maybe it is a good idea, but 5k or more to take action, pretty insane in my book.

            I guess l don't get it since l don't have the lazying around frame of mind. I do take time off, but work hard the rest of the time.

            And l prefer to make an income producing asset and then l could use that for something like this, maybe. Although l would prefer to invest the income stream cash into another or the same asset, to create more wealth.

            The rich get richer.

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            • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              The rich get richer.
              They do indeed!

              The big take away from this may be that Tony's list, coupled with his endorsement, is worth millions.

              Jay Abraham worked Tony's list for his seminars, and profited extremely well.

              Ron
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            • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              If someone wants to spend $600 so they do something, then maybe it is a good idea, but 5k or more to take action, pretty insane in my book.
              Shane; You have no frame of reference. No knowledge of why someone would pay the price, or what they get out of the experience.

              Which of these things sounds more insane:

              $50 for a book
              $2,000 for a course.
              $12,000 for a year of coaching.
              $100,000 for a franchise.
              $250,000 to open a large retail store
              Millions of dollars to buy an ongoing company.

              To many people, all of these things sound insane. But to the right person, who sees the value...the price may be quite reasonable.

              Would I pay $5,000 to attend an event? Maybe not. But then, I have paid $2,500 to attend an event for a weekend, and felt I got my money's worth.

              It's what you get out of the experience that counts.

              And if you've never attended a live Robbins event, how would you know if it's a good deal or not?
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Shane; You have no frame of reference. No knowledge of why someone would pay the price, or what they get out of the experience.

                Which of these things sounds more insane:

                $50 for a book
                $2,000 for a course.
                $12,000 for a year of coaching.
                $100,000 for a franchise.
                $250,000 to open a large retail store
                Millions of dollars to buy an ongoing company.

                To many people, all of these things sound insane. But to the right person, who sees the value...the price may be quite reasonable.

                Would I pay $5,000 to attend an event? Maybe not.
                But then, I have paid $2,500 to attend an event for a weekend, and felt I got my money's worth.

                It's what you get out of the experience that counts.

                And if you've never attended a live Robbins event, how would you know if it's a good deal or not?
                You may not pay $5,000 to attend a Tony Robbins event, but don't try to deny that you'd pay 10x that amount to attend a Baskin Robbins event.
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            • Profile picture of the author MValmont
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That's actually a valid point.
              I've never been at a Robbins event. But I've actually spoken at more than 100 just like it (I know, nobody's like Tony)

              The people that have never gone to an event like this, really have no idea what they are talking about. They have no reference point.

              Just like the people that attend...the customers....have no idea what it's like behind the curtain.

              Some people think they know the actors...because they have seen the play.
              This is an amazing attempt at building trust and credibility....

              But it doesn't really make sense. Other than sub-communicating that you did public speaking...What is that supposed to mean?

              What did you saw and hear behind the curtain? What event did you speak to?
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane; You have no frame of reference. No knowledge of why someone would pay the price, or what they get out of the experience.

        Which of these things sounds more insane:

        $50 for a book
        $2,000 for a course.
        $12,000 for a year of coaching.
        $100,000 for a franchise.
        $250,000 to open a large retail store
        Millions of dollars to buy an ongoing company.

        To many people, all of these things sound insane. But to the right person, who sees the value...the price may be quite reasonable.

        Would I pay $5,000 to attend an event? Maybe not. But then, I have paid $2,500 to attend an event for a weekend, and felt I got my money's worth.

        It's what you get out of the experience that counts.

        And if you've never attended a live Robbins event, how would you know if it's a good deal or not?
        Ok, l have paid $50 for a book. But l consider spending 5k, only l get motivated enough to take action to be insane.

        I am sure that l could find a motivational coach on Fiverr for considerably less than that.

        As for spending 15k to see him for 15 minutes in Hawaii, and jump out of a plane. That goes into comfy cells, striped sunlight and a box of crayons.

        I have seen one of his events on a promo video online. And a lot of people getting on stage and crying their eyes out because he helped this person and that. And Ellen type dancing and rock concert type atmosphere and Anthony saying "Do You rock" or something like that.

        True you get out of that with a Superman type persona, but does that immediately translate into big bucks or at least get your 5k back, nope.

        Some may need that expensive hype, to get into action, but l cannot justify that expense for little to no direct monontery returns.


        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        You may not pay $5,000 to attend a Tony Robbins event, but don't try to deny that you'd pay 10x that amount to attend a Baskin Robbins event.
        10k, to throw TR on the hot coals, hmmmm!

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        • Profile picture of the author MValmont
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Ok, l have paid $50 for a book. But l consider spending 5k, only l get motivated enough to take action to be insane.

          I am sure that l could find a motivational coach on Fiverr for considerably less than that.

          As for spending 15k to see him for 15 minutes in Hawaii, and jump out of a plane. That goes into comfy cells, striped sunlight and a box of crayons.

          I have seen one of his events on a promo video online. And a lot of people getting on stage and crying their eyes out because he helped this person and that. And Ellen type dancing and rock concert type atmosphere and Anthony saying "Do You rock" or something like that.

          True you get out of that with a Superman type persona, but does that immediately translate into big bucks or at least get your 5k back, nope.

          Some may need that expensive hype, to get into action, but l cannot justify that expense for little to no direct monontery returns.




          10k, to throw TR on the hot coals, hmmmm!

          I find it amazing how your brain works.

          People told you it is $600, but you keep going back to the $5000, to bash the event even more.

          People told you it is not really about motivation and hype, but you keep talking about motivation and hype.

          People that actually WENT, but your brain prefers to live in its little imaginary world.

          It's like if your brain is trying to protect you from actually producing something and achieving something in life. For someone like me that actually likes to study the habits of successful people and unsuccessful ones, I find this absolutely fascinating.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

        I find it amazing how your brain works.

        People told you it is $600, but you keep going back to the $5000, to bash the event even more.

        People told you it is not really about motivation and hype, but you keep talking about motivation and hype.

        People that actually WENT, but your brain prefers to live in its little imaginary world.

        It's like if your brain is trying to protect you from actually producing something and achieving something in life. For someone like me that actually likes to study the habits of successful people and unsuccessful ones, I find this absolutely fascinating.

        There is some hype there, but no more than an Amway meeting.

        In Australia it is about $1000 up to $6000, (travelling overseas would be $2000 minimum.

        Unleash the Power Within 2017

        Scroll half way down for AU ticket prices.

        So in Australia or Sydney with airfares from Vic, l would be paying about $1500 all up, to get a temporary high and get into action.

        So you are telling me that l should go and spent $1.5k on that instead of investing it back into my business or invest it in infrastructure, like a Laptop?

        Yeah, imaginary world, but the wealth l am making isn't!

        Brain is protecting, lol. sounds more like you want to go to these things and convince everyone else that it is wonderful regardless of cost.

        Sure l don't mind learning about the successful, (just finished Ken Done's autobiography) but l won't p*** that kind of money away on something like this.

        Achieving something, well l am starting a Microbusiness course on Wednesday!

        I guess my main reason for posting here is to help or stop other newbies that are on the fence about this. I don't want someone to put their last $600 US or $1k AU into feeling on a high for a few days, and having chipped away at a few barriers, but no real path laid out on how to make money.

        As l said before a $30 book will cover that!

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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        I'm not trying to make you go...Do you really think I care if you go to this event or not?

        I couldn't care less to be honest.

        I don't even care if you succeed or not, I really don't. It's the lack of logic that kills me.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          I'm not trying to make you go...Do you really think I care if you go to this event or not?

          I couldn't care less to be honest.

          I don't even care if you succeed or not, I really don't. It's the lack of logic that kills me.
          Lack of logic!

          Ok, so correct me if l am wrong, but you and the other one, are saying that if l or someone else here spends 1k in AU, to go to this, then all barriers will fall, and we will become more determined?

          About the only way l could see logic in doing this, is if someone who was relatively well off, and was seriously considering giving up for good, went and afterwards kept going.

          But of course, maybe buying one of his books, or watching a motivational movie, or spending $100 on a motivational video series, would probably be just as effective.

          https://www.impactbnd.com/blog/unlea...n-tony-robbins

          This guy loves it as well, and there are others that don't.

          Apparently the long hours are so you get into a deep state, to create change, or something like that.

          But all honestly all the subjects covered are in his books!

          You are paying for human interaction, motivational speakers and storys, the firewalk thing, the next best thing to a rock concert, and to walk on a cloud afterwards.

          I suspect that most won't be any better off in a years time, apart from the fact that they are still trying.

          I did read, Unlimited Power, and got one useful thing from it that helped me at a low point, but that costs me $30 not 1k.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Most liked it but a few felt like they got burned.
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


    I think that's an important point. If they enjoy the experience, and feel that they get something out of it, why not?

    After all, it isn't a matter of fraud. The participants get what they are promised. And they have selected themselves as part of a group that enjoys such events.

    The story of a few getting their feet burned just highlights the fact that their feet can get burned, if the coals aren't prepared the right way. But I imagine that the event wasn't ruined for others. In fact, if handled well, it can strengthen their bond with Robbins.

    "The coals are real. The heat is real. As proof, a few even got burned. So the fact that my feet didn't get burned proves that I was in a state of Flow...Robbins' teachings work.....and Robbins is the real deal"".

    See? I'm actually pretty good at this.
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    You need to realize that Claude is a little slow in the head. He'll eventually get your "burned" joke. Hopefully he won't need more than another day or two to catch on...
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Dammit....DAMMIT!

    You're right, I didn't get the joke, until you beat me over the head with it.


    And the reason you didn't get the joke the first time was because you're so serious about fire walking, which I find hilarious.
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