Durant goes to Warriors....Wow ! 2016-2017 NBA Thread Starts NOW !!

by discrat 318 replies
Unbelievable. Shocking. Iam stunned.

Tim, you little turkey you

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/so...222621654.htmlis


P.S. Sorry guys this is too big for NBA Thread for this past year. Its a new season anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    Lol. Robert, I thought he would stay with OKC for another year at least up until the last few days. Once I read this week about some Warrior players recruiting Durant all year and then thinking about how the owners have been very persuasive when going after people they want ( Kerr, Iguodala ) I thought they had a much better chance. Then I read that the Logo talked to him by phone and spelled out exactly why he should pick the Warriors I almost would have been shocked if he didn't sign with them. It really does make sense. Their defense is going to be awesome and their offense.... damn!

    The based God took his curse off of Durant also. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Tim,
    you're Misery that you experienced two weeks ago was a blessing in disguise. No way KD goes to Dubs if they win this past year.
    His ego is too big to join a team who is on their way building a dynasty with two in a row. He would feel like he would be just riding Curry's and Thompson's coat tails. It would really seem cheesy lol

    With the Warriors loss he feels like he can come and round out the team to get back on track to Dynasty mode.

    My oh my how things in Life can change so quickly. Warrior nation down and out just week before last. now turns to celebration and a lot of Hope and the potential for an incredible scenario i.e. Curry, Thompson, Green, Durant in the starting rotation.

    Not Fair

    I'm protesting lol
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    Not fair perhaps but the right decision for Durant. He really fits in great with the way he plays and will make for a huge improvement over Barnes, who I think is a terrific talent. I just wish the Warriors could find a way to keep Bogut.

    You are right about losing the finals helped make the decision easier for Durant but I wonder if he would have done the same thing anyways. Hell, he is already getting criticized big time for this decision.

    I think his injuries the past few years make it a good decision also and the fact that Westbrook was likely leaving after next year anyways.

    Hey, the Spurs added a superstar also last year. Not quite on Durant's level but one of the best for sure. Now the Spurs might get Gasol which would be very interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM83
    Officially makes OKC shit and GSW over powered as ****!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I'll be the dissenter here...I'm not sold on "all star" teams. Personally, I don't think you mess with a team that won 73 games. I would do everything to keep them together.


    About a year after my Nuggets entered the NBA, they had a starting lineup of:
    Dan Issel
    George McGinnis
    Charley Scott
    David Thompson


    It doesn't get much more talented than that. However, that team only won 48 games that year, quite a few games less than in the previous few seasons.


    How many titles did Houston win with Akeem, Drexler and Barkley?


    I'm not saying the Dubs won't win it all next year, they may. However, I would have made them the favorites without Durant. Again, I just don't think you mess with the chemistry of a 73 win team. But that's probably why Jerry West is "The Logo" and I'm not.


    The positive from this is more addition by subtraction in that signing Durant severely weakened OKC, which took the Dubs to the wire last season. There's now one less team in the West to contend with.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I'll be the dissenter here...I'm not sold on "all star" teams. Personally, I don't think you mess with a team that won 73 games. I would do everything to keep them together.


      About a year after my Nuggets entered the NBA, they had a starting lineup of:
      Dan Issel
      George McGinnis
      Charley Scott
      David Thompson


      It doesn't get much more talented than that. However, that team only won 48 games that year, quite a few games less than in the previous few seasons.


      How many titles did Houston win with Akeem, Drexler and Barkley?


      I'm not saying the Dubs won't win it all next year, they may. However, I would have made them the favorites without Durant. Again, I just don't think you mess with the chemistry of a 73 win team. But that's probably why Jerry West is "The Logo" and I'm not.


      The positive from this is more addition by subtraction in that signing Durant severely weakened OKC, which took the Dubs to the wire last season. There's now one less team in the West to contend with.
      I hear ya, Kurt. The chemistry of a team is super important. That was the big reason I was against trading Klay for Love two years ago. I really hate to lose Bogut and Barnes but it's worth the risk for Durant. He seems to be a perfect fit for them offensively, defensively and also personality wise.

      Durant says he wants to improve as a player. Well, he will be in the perfect environment for that. It's a scary thought to think he. Curry, Green and Thompson can all get better.
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    "2016-2017 NBA Thread Starts NOW"? Or should it be "2016-2017 NBA Thread Ends NOW?

    As a Cavs fan, I'm very, very, very afraid. Heck, I already was very, very, very afraid -- now I'm just ready to hide under my covers.

    That said, Kurt is right, chemistry is huge. And having watched Kevin Love struggle to find his place in Cleveland amongst two other stars, I have no doubt that Durant (and the rest of the Warriors) will have a period of adjustment. Still, even if Durant doesn't score a point, he's an asset on defense in a way that Love is only starting to become. And regardless... he's just soooooooo goooooood.

    I guess the good news is that now that OKC is toast and now that other teams in the East looking to make some big improvements over the offseason (I'm looking at you Boston and Toronto!), maybe we'll start getting some love and attention on this side of the Mississippi. Of course, it also helps that the defending champs play in the East.

    Still... I don't remember ever seeing a defending champion that's as good as the Cavs have the odds stacked so much against them before the season even started. And that's 100% due to the already amazing talent of the Golden State Warriors and this monster signing. That said, Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and GM David Griffen have shown they're willing to get creative (and spend the money!) to stay competititve, so I wouldn't be surprised to see headlines about a blockbuster trade for the Cavs when the trade deadline rolls around in 2017. Mo Williams for Stephen Curry? Yeah, that seems fair to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Chemistry blemistry

    First of all the splash brothers are your core offensively. Bet you they are grinning ear to ear. They have a player that the defense has to collapse in on and even double team INSIDE the arc. All Durant has to do is kick out and your chemistry is alive and well. Outside game is complemented by inside game. Without needing to chuck within a millisecond they can take open threes with time.

    2nd Durant is not going to GS to be THE man.. Hes going to pick up a ring while he is still in his prime on a team that won it all last year without him, took Durant out this year and came within one game of winning it all again this year.

    the only one really affected is green who will have less to do with offense.

    this is a NO BRAINER and no doubt Lebron is working the phones trying to see who he can get to come over to Cleveland because one thing is skippy. Put Durant on the GS team that just had spurts where the threes were not falling and there is NO WAY you come back to beat them when they are up 3-1. This compliments more than people think. Outside shooting opens up lanes and driving lanes pulls the defense off the perimeter.

    this isn't even like Miami with the big three. this is a team that won it all before the defection. If you want to do a comparison see how badly Birds Celtics would have done if they added Jordan or the show time lakers if they did the same and thats even with Jordan's lousy personality

    They'll be just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    It's interesting, Mike, that a 6'11" guy will be the Dubs best driver to the rim offensively. However, Curry has improved dramatically in that department the last few years and Green and Klay have also. The Warriors struggled in the playoffs because Curry wasn't 100%. I think Durant realized this also.

    The Warriors could just start F'ing with people and put Durant at point guard for large periods of the game. The thing is, how do you guard against such a versatile offense? Green led the Warriors in assists with Curry right behind. Now you got another big who can drive and dish.

    One interesting statistic I saw the past day or so was that the Thunder were last in the league is passes per game last year. The Warriors were last in the league in Mark Jackson's last year as coach. Now they lead the league in assists. I'm sure this was pointed out to Durant also. Passing the ball between unselfish players will only make his job easier and make him even more efficient. I wouldn't be surprised if Durant has his best season ever next year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

      The Warriors struggled in the playoffs because Curry wasn't 100%. I think Durant realized this also.
      Let it go my man. Give credit where its due. I know that was a bitter pill to swallow after being up 3-1 and almost scheduling the parade but Curry moved around the court just fine and at that point in the season there are always players on a team with a sore this or sore that. Theres no asterisk besides Cleveland's win although again I get why every one in Dubs world wants there to be.Durant joined the GS to put them waaay over the top to get a ring not because he figured he wouldn't be needed.

      The thing is, how do you guard against such a versatile offense?
      You can't. You've now got the ultimate inside outside game which is why all the chemistry talk is off. By mid season it will all work out as there really is no question the dubs will win enough to reach the playoffs. This is better than the oldish center post up and dish at the double team. Durant can break an offense down take it to the hoop and then dish. You could see the old Shaq posting up and dishing out coming from a mile away. You don't know when durant will take it all the way because a drive takes less time that the old school post up back to the basket

      Freaking fantastic pickup and even better is that at this point theres no one in free agency left that can truly counter the move. Wade to Cleveland would have been an interesting counter but only a few years ago before Wade had a history of injuries.

      If theres any bad news this might be a one time deal. Basically it a one year contract with a player option for the second.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Let it go my man.
        I'm just saying that it may have had something to do with Durant's decision to leave. I think he realizes that the Warriors are going to be a very tough team to beat for many years and perhaps he thought this last year was the best shot the Thunder were going to have.

        The decision to leave also makes you wonder if there was some problems within the Thunder team that haven't really come out yet. Did he and Westbrook really get along as well as they said they did? Was there a resentment for the Thunder not keeping Harden? Was he still upset about the team firing Scott Brooks? Did he not like the offensive scheme the Thunder played?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          I'm just saying that it may have had something to do with Durant's decision to leave. I think he realizes that the Warriors are going to be a very tough team to beat for many years and perhaps he thought this last year was the best shot the Thunder were going to have.

          The decision to leave also makes you wonder if there was some problems within the Thunder team that haven't really come out yet. Did he and Westbrook really get along as well as they said they did? Was there a resentment for the Thunder not keeping Harden? Was he still upset about the team firing Scott Brooks? Did he not like the offensive scheme the Thunder played?
          Also, could Durant be sure Westbrook wouldn't leave at the end of this next season?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          I'm just saying that it may have had something to do with Durant's decision to leave. I think he realizes that the Warriors are going to be a very tough team to beat for many years and perhaps he thought this last year was the best shot the Thunder were going to have.
          I've seen the speculation but thats all it is - Curry has faded in playoffs past as well from time to time so its just too convenient to put it all down to injury because he faded again. After Cleveland coming back from 3-1 and OKC themselves taking them to 7 no one was really afraid of GS anymore as unbeatable even with a totally healthy Curry. If Curry was out or limping or something dramatic perhaps - but Curry was up and down that court and even had some cuts thats shows at best the injury was slight. thats why this move was great - Now the fear of GS is back.

          What Kurt said has more credibility to me - Who knows what Westbrook does and whats being forgotten is the team was already changing - Ibaka had been traded.

          Honestly if Cleveland had the cash he probably would have considered going there. Lebron is probably the one that inspired him with his move to Miami to get a ring and coming back later. Agreeing to one year and having an option totally your own to pick up or leave for the 2nd says -just want a ring anywhere I have thebest shot and can afford me - pretty clear.

          Actually would not be surprised to see Durant in OKC jersey in two or three years.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'm blown away by Durant going to Tim's Warriors. Now, no one has any chance of stopping them from coming out of the west for the 3rd year in a row - unless they get decimated by injuries.

    Congrats Tim!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    The Nuggets are making a strong push for Dwyane Wade. Rumors are we're offering him more money than anyone else.

    I have mixed feelings about this. We already have 5 young 6'4"-6'5" players with potential. They really need minutes to develop.

    On the other hand, the Nuggets were last in attendance last year. Wade will bring local and national interest. He could also possibly attract another veteran free agent or two and show the other players that it's OK to come to Denver.

    Because of all the young players we already have at that position, I probably wouldn't do it myself, but I can see why the front office wants to...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    More than one outlet is reporting he is signing with chicago.

    Really surprised by this - swore Miami would end up resigning him because the fallout in South Florida is going to be great - He is the most beloved player in franchise history
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      More than one outlet is reporting he is signing with chicago.

      Really surprised by this - swore Miami would end up resigning him because the fallout in South Florida is going to be great - He is the most beloved player in franchise history
      Wade said two days ago when discussing the Durant left OKC, "relationships are important, people". Pat Riley looks bad here imo and that not good for their future.

      Wade was partly referring to the friendship Durant has had with Curry and Iguodala since 2010 but also, perhaps, he was eluding to the problems with Riley.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      More than one outlet is reporting he is signing with chicago.

      Really surprised by this - swore Miami would end up resigning him because the fallout in South Florida is going to be great - He is the most beloved player in franchise history
      What are you talking about?? He's washed up, injured etc..etc..

      He is delusional if he thinks he is worth anything close to what he is asking.

      It's ashame "dead horses" do not respectfully just bow out and go to the pasture where they belong.

      Same with Ginoboli,

      sorry Spurs, its the truth
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        What are you talking about?? He's washed up, injured etc..etc..

        He is delusional if he thinks he is worth anything close to what he is asking.
        Lol.....how can he be delusional when he signed for just about 25 million dollars. You got to keep up......scrubs are signing for 10 mil. Cap money is blowing up the next few years. His stats last year were anything but washed up but I grant any team signing him is taking a risk he gets injured again (he is not injured now but has a history)

        It's ashame "dead horses" do not respectfully just bow out and go to the pasture where they belong.
        Nah Wade's case is different. Riley likes to talk loyalty and on the basis of that Wade took cuts to what he could have commanded over the years - its claimed somewhere around 25 million dollars with the understanding later they would take care of him. If you don't have some roots in South Florida you wouldn't know why he is upset.

        and yeah I know what I am talking about - Wade is without a doubt the most beloved athlete in South Florida. Many people thought he would never leave and he would not have if not for the pay cuts he took earlier.

        Heat are going to take a hit that will probably cost them more than the third year Wade wanted. They've pulled off a lot of free gent signings based on that loyalty we will always make it back up to you speech.

        still a lot of money? yeah but Arison wasn't going to miss it. his net worth is about 7 Billion.

        Now the Spurs? yeah those bums should go out to pasture on some farm in the middle of nowhere with Pop. Pack up the rest of the orgnanization send them up to Seattle and bring back the Sonics.

        Time to bring some respectability back to the NBA. Basket ball doesn't belong with cactus
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I have to look at the bright side of things with Wade signing with Chicago. The good news is, Jimmer Fredette is playing on the Nuggets summer league team. /sarcasm

    I have a feeling it's going to be another long season.

    The good news is, we should have close to $60 million in cap space next year, when there's supposed to be a number of quality free agents. In defense of the Nuggets front office, this has been their game plan for a while. The unexpected possibility of getting Wade kind of threw a wrench into these plans.

    BTW, did I ever mention the Broncos won the Super Bowl?
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    More info coming in on Durant's decision. One source says Durant felt the Thunder had plateaued and that there was a concern about the offense relying on hero ball, isolation plays and contested shots. Kind of goes along with what I was thinking earlier about how the team was last in the league in passing.

    Publicly, Durant has always insisted that he loves playing with Russ and that there’s nothing to the whispers about their on-court chemistry issues, but the Thunder’s collapse in the Western Conference Finals last month after taking a 3-1 series lead may have been the breaking point. It seemed to be characterized by a reversion to hero-ball and all-around sloppy play, two of the main criticisms often levied at Westbrook.
    Kevin Durant Reportedly Thought The Thunder Had
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Duncan announces retirement. Doesn't even show up for the Spurs Press Release in this announcement.
    So Ducanish lol. Probably under the hood fixing cars at his Car Lot , Blackjack. His first love

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/sa...143900942.html
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      Duncan announces retirement. Doesn't even show up for the Spurs Press Release in this announcement.
      So Ducanish lol. Probably under the hood fixing cars at his Car Lot , Blackjack. His first love

      https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/sa...143900942.html
      Little bit different from Kobe's retirement tour. lol Yep, typical Duncan. It will be weird seeing the Spurs play without Duncan. What a great player. One of three players to win over 1000 games in the regular season.

      Anyone watching the summer league? I caught parts of a few games. That Simmons kid does look special. He's one hell of a passer and seems to have a very high bb iq. Kriss Dunn looks like a point guard ready to start for the Timberwolves. He would have to take the job from Rubio but that just may happen. The Timberwolves are going to be tough. The Suns' Devin Booker looked great in the second half of last year and he is continuing to look that way in this summer league. He is going to be an all star. I'm looking forward to the Warriors playing the Lakers tonight and seeing Ingram. The Warriors second round pick Patrick McCaw looked impressive in his first game.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Little bit different from Kobe's retirement tour. lol Yep, typical Duncan. It will be weird seeing the Spurs play without Duncan. What a great player. One of three players to win over 1000 games in the regular season.

        Anyone watching the summer league? I caught parts of a few games. That Simmons kid does look special. He's one hell of a passer and seems to have a very high bb iq. Kriss Dunn looks like a point guard ready to start for the Timberwolves. He would have to take the job from Rubio but that just may happen. The Timberwolves are going to be tough. The Suns' Devin Booker looked great in the second half of last year and he is continuing to look that way in this summer league. He is going to be an all star. I'm looking forward to the Warriors playing the Lakers tonight and seeing Ingram. The Warriors second round pick Patrick McCaw looked impressive in his first game.
        Dunn looked really good against the Nuggets. Jimmer played well in the second game and looks like he could be All Summer League team. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Murray is coming on after a slow start. Our pick at #15 Hernangomez is looking really good and is dominating Bender in the game I'm watching now.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    Nate the Great died yesterday. He was one of my favorites growing up. He also was very visable working for the Warriors for decades after his playing days.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/sp...dies.html?_r=0
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  • Profile picture of the author Adsomi
    Is anyone else sort of not excited for next season because of everything that went on during the off season?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Breaking news: Mike Miller resigns with the Nuggets for two years. Last year Miller averaged 1.3 points and 1.1 rebounds for us. CHAMPIONSHIP!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Draymond Green Snapchats a pic of his dingdong...says "it ain't no big thang"...
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Draymond Green Snapchats a pic of his dingdong...says "it ain't no big thang"...
      Good grief, Draymond. Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I'm not sure how much more the owners and management will put up with these "learning experiences". They don't mess around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diskretni
    Durant to Warriors? Guys,I find more stuff here than in the news,probably because I dont read news to much tho lol.
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      Originally Posted by Diskretni View Post

      Durant to Warriors? Guys,I find more stuff here than in the news,probably because I dont read news to much tho lol.
      Me too,I never read news.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    The Nuggets' Nikola Jokic was the best player on the court as the Serbs almost upset the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    OK, season starts tonight with three games including my Warriors against Robert's Duncanless Spurs. How will Pops do without Duncan? I hear the Spurs may be looking to trade Aldridge already after just one year! Very surprising if true. The Warriors defense in the pre-season looked like it missed Bogut, but I expect it will come together in the regular season. Durant and Klay looked awesome in the pre-season. :p They also have a second round rookie McCaw who looks like one of the steals in the draft. He should be in the rotation which is rare for a 2nd rounder playing on a finals team.

    The Cavs play the Knicks first. Rose thinks the Knicks are a super team also but I think they are going to struggle through a tough season again, just slightly better than last year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

      OK, season starts tonight with three games including my Warriors against Robert's Duncanless Spurs. How will Pops do without Duncan? I hear the Spurs may be looking to trade Aldridge already after just one year! Very surprising if true. The Warriors defense in the pre-season looked like it missed Bogut, but I expect it will come together in the regular season. Durant and Klay looked awesome in the pre-season. :p They also have a second round rookie McCaw who looks like one of the steals in the draft. He should be in the rotation which is rare for a 2nd rounder playing on a finals team.

      The Cavs play the Knicks first. Rose thinks the Knicks are a super team also but I think they are going to struggle through a tough season again, just slightly better than last year.
      Right now, my Nuggets are in first place, tied for the best record in the NBA.

      Actually, we'll probably have a slow start playing 6 of our first 7 on the road, then game 8 is against the Golden State Tims. I wish we had more home games early to help us get off to a good start. I think this is especially important for young teams.

      It looks like we'll begin with a big lineup with both Nurkic and Jovic starting. Jovic came in 3rd in the rookie of the year last season and some of the metrics people say he should have won. Nurkic was hurt most of the last year, but the year before in his rookie season he was the only Nugget with a positive +/-.

      Now we just need to figure out how to tie Curry's shoestrings together and slip Durant a roofie without them knowing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    I guess nobody told my Spurs that they were going up against an unstoppable
    Super Team LOL

    Really impressive and who would have thought the results of tonight. Spurs defense is second to none

    Of course it is the first game and I think the Warriors in a couple of months will be gelling much much better and still the team to beat. No question

    But I think the Spurs made a HUGE statement in that even though the odds are hugely in favor for the Dubs to win it all... they are going to have a thorn in their side to contend with called San Antonio
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Epic fail - Get Durant and end up with a winless season so far


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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Epic fail - Get Durant and end up with a winless season so far


      Well,according to Kenny the Jet they will win 77 games this year with 5 losses. So they can only lose
      4 more games

      Seriously though. Once they get the cogs in line I they they are going to be hard to beat.

      Really

      The only thing I see is the Defense is far behind their offense power. Not that their defense is bad but it might be their Achilles heals in trying to attain ultimate Greatness. Losing a few of those guys including Bogut probably hurt in that regard.

      But they still have Green who is right there with Leonard. And they will continue only to get better
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Well,according to Kenny the Jet they will win 77 games this year with 5 losses. So they can only lose
        4 more games
        I'd but good money on loss number 6. Westbrook bought a very expensive Voodoo doll which he has already covered in needles. He plans to remove all of them come playoffs to take even more air out of D's shot.

        On the bright side Tim - might be a good thing. An early loss tends to dampen the regular season record chasing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    All I can say is, that game sucked. lol

    Pops just keeps on amazing me. Spurs look great!

    Interesting stat: The Warriors lost their home opener Tuesday night by 29 points. In the previous two seasons, Golden State lost four regular-season home games by a combined 25 points.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Spurs got manhandled by Jazz. They hit everything and looked spectacular and we looked really sloppy.

      Can't wait for rematch at Utah on Friday

      Looks like Dubs blew out Blazers
      Draymond wants to "destroy" Cavs lol
      I don't blame him as that Series last Summer was an anomaly, imo. I honestly do not think that scenario would play out the way it did 9 out of 10 times
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Spurs got manhandled by Jazz. They hit everything and looked spectacular and we looked really sloppy.

        Can't wait for rematch at Utah on Friday
        Utah won again last night. They are playing well and their best player is injured! Hayward is expected back next week.

        Warriors take on the undefeated Thunder tonight. Should be awkward for Durant. Lol
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      Last night, for the first time this year, I felt the Warriors played up to their level of last years regular season team and that was just for one quarter. In the second quarter their defense played great and that part of their game has been lacking this year. They held Toronto to 15 points. Now, if they can just build on that and be more consistent.

      There's been some surprises so far this year: Derozen is leading the league in scoring. Atlanta is playing really well with the addition of Dwight Howard. The Lakers are playing well. I thought Walton would do well with them but 7 wins already?!
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      Big game tonight. Lakers look like they are more than just rebuilding. Definitely playoff contenders.

      Should be a good one. Lakers manhandled Tim's team a couple of weeks ago.

      Pau looking forward to coming home. Spurs still undefeated on road
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Lakers manhandled Tim's team a couple of weeks ago.
        Manhandled? lol. What do you call what the Dubs did to the Lakers Wednesday then?

        The Warriors have had 30 or more assists in 9 straight games, the longest streak since the record of 13 games by Charlotte in 1989. They have had 30 or more in 11 of their 15 games so far, with no other team having more than 3 30 assist games. 15 teams haven't done it once so far this year. The warriors had a team record of 47 assists against the Lakers. The way they are going now, they have a shot of beating the showtime Lakers record for assists in a season.

        Wednesday was also a day when Cleveland scored 137 points, with Kevin Love scoring 34 in the first quarter.

        Spurs playing in Boston tonight, which may be the game of the day. I'm predicting a Boston win.
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      Some upsets last night as the Spurs ( at home again. What's up with dat Robert? ), Cavs and Clippers all lose. The Lakers too. JR Smith is still an oddball. During the game he went over to the sidelines to greet Jason Terry and his man dunked. lol

      Westbrook is averaging a triple double so far. His rebounding is what really amazes me. He's the only guard in the top 30 in rebounds.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Some upsets last night as the Spurs ( at home again. What's up with dat Robert? ), Cavs and Clippers all lose. The Lakers too. JR Smith is still an oddball. During the game he went over to the sidelines to greet Jason Terry and his man dunked. lol

        Westbrook is averaging a triple double so far. His rebounding is what really amazes me. He's the only guard in the top 30 in rebounds.
        I'm more of a glass half full kind of guy...JR didn't let Jason Terry score, did he?

        I may be more frustrated with this Nuggets team than any other I've ever watched. We've blown 3-4 games with big late leads, like 8 points with 1 minute left and 12 with something like 3 minutes left.

        I'd like to blame it on youth, but we had the vets in when the leads were blown. I'm really struggling to stay interested this year. (I'm typing this while I watch the start of the Nuggets v. Miami game)
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      Yep, we can't win at home but can't lose on the road.
      Damnest thing I have seen in a long time lol

      Tonight Iam sure we win at Dallas
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post


        Tonight Iam sure we win at Dallas
        That was a close game until the end.

        Westbrook had another big game with a triple double last night: 35 points, 14 rebounds and 11 assists. However, he shot just 12 of 35 ( just over 33% ) and was only 1 for 6 from three. It's not like he has to shoot that much, either. He had 7 team mates who shot 50% or better last night, going 31 for 48! I didn't watch that game but it seems from the stats that Westbrook maybe made the game closer than it should have been. It took OKC an over time to beat the Wizards.

        Clippers at Cleveland tonight. That will be a good game because I don't like either team and one of them will lose.
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      The Warriors still haven't jelled, losing last night for the second time this year to Memphis, blowing a 24 point lead. They are not playing well at all at the end of games. Seems to be a continuation of the Finals. Last night Durant went iso at the end of the game and missed a 3 pointer. Draymond was pissed and let Durant know it.

      One team I have liked ever since last year, when the ended the Warriors longest end streak, is Milwalkee. Their defense is one of the best in the league and their offense is improving. Young talented team. They play the good teams well, including the Cavs. I want to see someone really challenge the Cavs this year in the playoffs. Who knows, maybe it will be the Bucks. Jalen Rose last night actually said they might be the 4th best team in the league. I don't know about that, but they are getting up their.
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      Wow Spurs one game back. Who would have thunk?
      ....Spurs lose Timmy, Dubs gain Durant.

      Of course they will still be hard to beat once they click together
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      The Cavs trade for Kyle Korver. That isn't fair! Dammit!

      Another surprise team is Houston. Who would have thought D'Antoni could make the Rockets such a better team? I was frankly shocked he got another coaching job after his last couple of stints.

      "Hopefully they can get Grayson Allen and Draymond Green to have a kick boxing match too." haha Grayson must be working out with Draymond in the off season. He's got his kicking moves down except he doesn't go after the bolas.

      Kurt, how are you liking Carmelo's year so far?
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        The Cavs trade for Kyle Korver. That isn't fair! Dammit!

        Another surprise team is Houston. Who would have thought D'Antoni could make the Rockets such a better team? I was frankly shocked he got another coaching job after his last couple of stints.

        "Hopefully they can get Grayson Allen and Draymond Green to have a kick boxing match too." haha Grayson must be working out with Draymond in the off season. He's got his kicking moves down except he doesn't go after the bolas.

        Kurt, how are you liking Carmelo's year so far?
        My only satisfaction this year is Melo and the Knicks.


        BTW, I thought we should have hired D'Antoni instead of Malone. D'Antoni's style would have been perfect in Denver's Mile High air.


        Kover is a great addition to the Cavs. He's a great 3 point shooter and isn't the bonehead JR is and is just the type of player they need. Not good news for Spurs/Ws fans.
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      Yeah the Warriors pretty much made a statement last night that when they are on their A game no one will beat them.

      Tough pill for Lebron who is still too conceded to even admit the Warriors and Steph Curry are a rival lol
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      Spurs big win over Cavs in Cleveland. Went OT.

      Leonard with 6 consecutive game over 30 points. He is superstar status right up there with Lebron, Splash bros.,and KD
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Spurs big win over Cavs in Cleveland. Went OT.

        Leonard with 6 consecutive game over 30 points. He is superstar status right up there with Lebron, Splash bros.,and KD
        That was a good game. I was pulling for the spurs even though I shouldn't. Looking forward to the Dubs/Spurs rematch.
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      Barkley says Warrior wouldn't lose if Kahwi was with them instead of KD.

      Of course I think Kahwi is great but not on the same level offensively as KD.

      Also, The Jet says Spurs manpower will not beat the Warriors.

      Which could be true. But they are trying to stay with them in reg. season pretty impressively.


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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Barkley says Warrior wouldn't lose if Kahwi was with them instead of KD.

        Of course I think Kahwi is great but not on the same level offensively as KD.

        Also, The Jet says Spurs manpower will not beat the Warriors.

        Which could be true. But they are trying to stay with them in reg. season pretty impressively.


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        Kenny Smith Says the Spurs Don't Have Enough to Beat Da Warriors | LIVE 1-23-17 - YouTube
        Barkley is a dummy. Durant is a very underrated defensive player, something nobody ever said about Barkley.

        The Spurs could beat the Warriors. So could the Cavs, although not right now. If the playoffs happened now, the warriors would sweep the Cavs and probably go seven games with the Spurs. Whoever ends up with home court should win that series. If the Spurs make it to the Conference finals that is. :0

        By the way, here's the top 10 in defensive rating this year:

        1. Rudy Gobert • UTA 97.8
        2. Andre Drummond • DET 98.4
        3. Draymond Green • GSW 99.1
        4. Dwight Howard • ATL 100.4
        5. Kevin Durant • GSW 100.5
        6. Anthony Davis • NOP 100.6
        7. Hassan Whiteside • MIA 100.7
        8. DeAndre Jordan • LAC 100.8
        9. Pau Gasol • SAS 102.1
        10. Kawhi Leonard • SAS 102.4
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    Counting the Finals, isn't this 4 straight loses for the Ws? There's still plenty of room on the Nuggets bandwagon.... LOL
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    Nuggets still tied for best record in the NBA by beating the Pels. Anthony Davis had a great stat line:
    50 pts
    16 rebs
    7 steals
    5 assists
    4 blocks (I think)


    ...but was still -3 in the +/-.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post



      ...but was still -3 in the +/-.
      Yeah, that's the most over rated stat there is imo.

      I watched the Sixers and OKC game last night and was impressed with Joel Embiid. That guy is a very talented big man, maybe up there with Towns. When they get Simmons back and perhaps Noel ( he may be traded ) that team will be tough. By the way, I read one rumor that says the Warriors are looking to get either Noel or Okafor from the Sixers.
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    Warriors come out to plaaaay...

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    Nuggets 1st round pick Jamal Murray is yet to hit a FG. He's 0 for 16 in his first 4 pro games, which has to be close to a record for most shots missed to start a career. I think he'll be OK, but it has to be frustrating for him.

    I don't mean to brag, but I can miss 16 straight shots too and I'll do it for a lot less money.
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    LOL at JaVale McGee trying to inbound the ball to the other team. Just think about George Karl having to coach both JR and JaVale at the same time with the Nuggets.

    I like JaVale and think he's a good guy. When he was in Denver he would do things like tweet and invite everyone within a few minutes to Chipotle and buy everyone that showed up burritos.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      LOL at JaVale McGee trying to inbound the ball to the other team. Just think about George Karl having to coach both JR and JaVale at the same time with the Nuggets.

      I like JaVale and think he's a good guy. When he was in Denver he would do things like tweet and invite everyone within a few minutes to Chipotle and buy everyone that showed up burritos.
      He is a funny dude. A few games ago the Warriors had a fast break and Curry was wide open at the three point line. Durant passed it and McGee thought it was for him, reached back and deflected it out of bounds. Ooops. I'm glad the Warriors picked him up though because he does have talent and is playing well. He's also a good guy like you said, Kurt. He's already involved in the community.

      By the way, Klay had 60 last night in just three quarters! When he's hot, he's really hard to stop.
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    RIP to Craig Sager. He fought a long, dignified battle and lost today.
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    Michael Malone is a good guy, but I'm at the point where I'm wondering if he's a good coach...At least I can look forward to the Kenyon Martin/Tim Thomas boxing match. Hopefully they can get Grayson Allen and Draymond Green to have a kick boxing match too.
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    The bright spot for the Nuggets is Nikola Jokic. This kid is going to be an all star. He started off the season slowly, mostly due to being moved to the 4. Then he was on the bench behind Nurkic.

    Finally, he was moved to starting Center...here's his stats since:

    For all of the things Jokic can do passing, he has also been a prolific scorer. He scored a career-high 30 points against Orlando, and over the last 19 games he has recorded 12 double-doubles — six of them 20/10 games — and is averaging 18.1 points, 9.6 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He’s shooting 64 percent from the field, 46 percent from the 3-point line and 82 percent from the free-throw line.

    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/16...nsive-revival/
    Plus he's the best passer on the team and Isaiah Thomas (the original) jokingly called him "Magic". He was actually a point guard when he was younger until he had a growth spurt. He's a 7 footer with point guard skills.

    He's had foul trouble, which has cut down on his minutes or his stats would probably be even better.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      The bright spot for the Nuggets is Nikola Jokic. This kid is going to be an all star. He started off the season slowly, mostly due to being moved to the 4. Then he was on the bench behind Nurkic.

      Finally, he was moved to starting Center...here's his stats since:

      Plus he's the best passer on the team and Isaiah Thomas (the original) jokingly called him "Magic". He was actually a point guard when he was younger until he had a growth spurt. He's a 7 footer with point guard skills.

      He's had foul trouble, which has cut down on his minutes or his stats would probably be even better.
      Jokic looks great. I've seen him play a few really good games. An all around player. Last year you mentioned a big rookie you said looked promising. Was that nurkic or Jokic?
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Jokic looks great. I've seen him play a few really good games. An all around player. Last year you mentioned a big rookie you said looked promising. Was that nurkic or Jokic?
        Jokic was last year...I liked Nurkic the year before.

        I still like Nurkic, but he also plays center and Jokic is the better player. Jokic has a chance of being the star player we need. We're starting to run our O through Jokic and it's making us a lot better. Other players cut and move a lot more know, knowing Jokic will get them the ball.
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          Westbrook did a Shaq ting a fool sure winner last night. After a Warriors bucket his teammate in bounded the ball to him and he just started walking while holding it. He took about 5 steps before the ref called traveling. Lol I'll look for a video of it.

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            For the first time this year I feel the Warriors are playing at last year's level. Defensively they are really coming together. #1 in opponents field goal %, 3 point %, blocks, steals, and up there in rebounds...

            The Warriors d doesn't get talked about much, but it's as impressive as the offense. Maybe more. They lost some when Bogut left, but Durant is a major addition to the team defense. He really should make all defense team this year.

            The offense is jelling also. I think a good sized win streak is coming.
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              I read something recently about how the current crop of nba stars is at such a high level. I agree. The top 20 or so players, collectively, may be the highest quality in history. Especially with some of the newest players. Great talent. The Greek freak is a perfect example. Embiid is another.
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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                I read something recently about how the current crop of nba stars is at such a high level. I agree. The top 20 or so players, collectively, may be the highest quality in history. Especially with some of the newest players. Great talent. The Greek freak is a perfect example. Embiid is another.
                It's so hard to compare players of different eras. Centers don't really exist today. How do you compare Embiid with Kareem?

                Also, players in the 70-80s had more rounded games, the mid-range game also doesn't exist today. And with the rules banning hand-checking makes it even harder to compare. How would today's guards do against Walt Frazier hand checking them all over the court?

                Other rule changes include traveling and palming the ball. When we played we couldn't get away with 1/10th of what they do today. If our hand was slightly on the side of the ball when we dribbled, we'd get called for "turning the ball over".

                I think the players may be more talented today, but they are less skilled. I see very few players today that even know how to "roll" correctly on the pick and roll. They turn away from the ball instead of pivoting on their foot closest to the hoop, pinning the defender on their hip while keeping their eye on the ball at all times.

                I still think Wilt was the most talented player ever. He was a 7 footer that may well have become a world class high-hurdler. He once blocked something like 6-7 of Kareem's skyhooks in a single game. I can't see anyone today being able to do that.
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                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  It's so hard to compare players of different eras. Centers don't really exist today. How do you compare Embiid with Kareem?

                  Also, players in the 70-80s had more rounded games, the mid-range game also doesn't exist today. And with the rules banning hand-checking makes it even harder to compare. How would today's guards do against Walt Frazier hand checking them all over the court?

                  Other rule changes include traveling and palming the ball. When we played we couldn't get away with 1/10th of what they do today. If our hand was slightly on the side of the ball when we dribbled, we'd get called for "turning the ball over".

                  I think the players may be more talented today, but they are less skilled. I see very few players today that even know how to "roll" correctly on the pick and roll. They turn away from the ball instead of pivoting on their foot closest to the hoop, pinning the defender on their hip while keeping their eye on the ball at all times.

                  I still think Wilt was the most talented player ever. He was a 7 footer that may well have become a world class high-hurdler. He once blocked something like 6-7 of Kareem's skyhooks in a single game. I can't see anyone today being able to do that.
                  Funny you asked how Embiid compares to Kareem. I saw this stat the other day:



                  I agree it's hard to compare different eras. Wilt and Kareem would dominate today I believe. Heck, Nate Thurmond would still be great in today's game. I'm just saying there's a lot of talent now.

                  By the way, I think if the 76ers can get into the playoffs and Simmons is healthy, they could do some damage in the East. I have a feeling this might be the year Lebron doesn't make it to the finals. Maybe just wishful thinking.
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                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    Funny you asked how Embiid compares to Kareem. I saw this stat the other day:



                    I agree it's hard to compare different eras. Wilt and Kareem would dominate today I believe. Heck, Nate Thurmond would still be great in today's game. I'm just saying there's a lot of talent now.

                    By the way, I think if the 76ers can get into the playoffs and Simmons is healthy, they could do some damage in the East. I have a feeling this might be the year Lebron doesn't make it to the finals. Maybe just wishful thinking.
                    The center position has really changed...In the 70s in addition to Wilt, Kareem, Nate, you also had Lanier, Issle, Cowans, Walton, Gilmore, Moses Malone, Unseld, Willis Reed, Jack Sikma, Bob MacAdoo. I don't think today's centers compare to that group.
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                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      The center position has really changed...In the 70s in addition to Wilt, Kareem, Nate, you also had Lanier, Issle, Cowans, Walton, Gilmore, Moses Malone, Unseld, Willis Reed, Jack Sikma, Bob MacAdoo. I don't think today's centers compare to that group.
                      I agree, but would say the current crop of guards is probably better. Small forwards also perhaps.
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                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        I agree, but would say the current crop of guards is probably better. Small forwards also perhaps.
                        Again, it's so hard to compare generations. I see a few different "eras" for guards.

                        1. Had no 3 pointer. Players like Jerry West didn't have the 3 point line.

                        2. First generation 3 pointers. These would be the ABA guys and the NBA right after the merger. These guys had the 3, but didn't grow up with it. And it was really a desperation shot when trailing at the end of the game, rather than a major strategy.

                        3. Second generation. These guys had the 3 in the pros, and also had it in their high school and college careers.

                        4. Third generation. They had the 3 all through out their careers, including in high school, but also watched players shoot the 3 throughout their careers. This includes players like Curry, who not only grew up with the 3, but also grew up watching players like his dad shoot the 3.

                        I wonder what players like Jerry West, Pete Maravich and even someone like Down Town Freddie Brown would have been if not only they had the 3, but grew up with it in their high school days?

                        The game has changed so much...Would Maurice Lucas be a stretch 4 today? LOL
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Westbrook did a Shaq ting a fool sure winner last night. After a Warriors bucket his teammate in bounded the ball to him and he just started walking while holding it. He took about 5 steps before the ref called traveling. Lol I'll look for a video of it.

            Russel Westbrook's travel against warriors - YouTube
            This should be posted on the "How much do you travel" thread...In the case of Westbrook, the answer is "5 steps".
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    Is Noah's free throw the worst of all time? How does a player that's been in the NBA for 10 years(?) have such bad form and shoot the ball with a sideways rotation?


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    Where's a "Crying LeBron" meme when you need one?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Where's a "Crying LeBron" meme when you need one?
      Lol. I love seeing the cavs struggle. Lebron likes to throw his teammates under the bus when they lose it seems. I wish one eastern team can step up this year and beat them in the playoffs. I just don't see Toronto being that team though.
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    Jokic out with a hip injury. X-rays were negative, MRI today. It didn't look good and he was in a lot of pain. He's really playing well, had 27, 14 and 7 before getting hurt late in the game.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Jokic out with a hip injury. X-rays were negative, MRI today. It didn't look good and he was in a lot of pain. He's really playing well, had 27, 14 and 7 before getting hurt late in the game.
      I hope it's not too bad. He's number one in the league in offensive rating:

      1. Nikola Jokic DEN 128.5
      2. Otto Porter WAS 128.2
      3. Rudy Gobert UTA 127.2
      4. Chris Paul LAC 127.2
      5. DeAndre Jordan LAC 126.5
      6. Kevin Durant GSW 125.0
      7. Jimmy Butler CHI 124.7
      8. Kyle Lowry TOR 124.3
      9. Kenneth Faried DEN 124.2
      10. Kawhi Leonard SAS 123.7
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Jokic out with a hip injury. X-rays were negative, MRI today. It didn't look good and he was in a lot of pain. He's really playing well, had 27, 14 and 7 before getting hurt late in the game.
      Actually, it was 29 points, 14 rebounds and eight assists. I hope his injury isn't serious, he's really the only bright spot we've had in the last 3-4 years and he plays the right way. Plus, he's kind of goofy off the court, in a good way.
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      Lot of similarities between Tim Duncan and Tom Brady


      Duncan
      Seasons - 19
      Championships- 5
      Wining PCT.- .791
      Reg. Season MVP- 2
      1st & last Championship
      Span - 15

      Brady
      Seasons- 17
      Championships -5
      Winning PCT.- .776
      Reg. Season MVP- 2
      1st & last Championship
      Span- 15

      Only difference is Duncan is obviously not the greatest NBA player of All time. Whereas Brady is , imo, the greatest NFL player of all time
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        The Cavs vs Bullets game was terrific tonight. Probably the best eastern game I've seen since last year's playoffs at least. The Bullets are playing really well lately. Lebron looked finals intense ( maybe inspired by Brady? ). I remember thinking about a year ago that Lebron looked like he had slowed down some, but after last year's finals and games like tonight, I don't think so.

        There's still talk of Carmelo being traded to the Cavs for Love. I'm all for that really, because I think it would hurt the Cavs.
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      Kurt, you like seeing Carmelo lose and I just love seeing Phil Jackson lose. We both are happy in that regard. Jackson's been a disaster as the Knicks President. Today he tweeted again about Anthony, saying you can't change spots on a leopard. How is this something smart to do? Reminds me of another egomaniac who can't stop tweeting. lol
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      Hey Kurt, ESPN is doing another one of their NBA countdown lists. This one is for the best 50 players under 25. They are down to #31 and Denver already has 4 players listed and you know they will have at least one more. Pretty impressive.

      NBA: #NBArank Rising Stars 31-40
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Hey Kurt, ESPN is doing another one of their NBA countdown lists. This one is for the best 50 players under 25. They are down to #31 and Denver already has 4 players listed and you know they will have at least one more. Pretty impressive.

        NBA: #NBArank Rising Stars 31-40
        Yeah...we have some good young players, and two 1st rounders next year.

        I would have put Gary Harris above both Nurkic and Mudiay. Harris plays great perimeter D and actually plays Steph really well.

        The other Nugget to watch is Jamal Murray. He has the potential to be an all star. Reminds me of a bigger, more athletic Steph. He's had issues with consistency shooting this year, but he's still very young and can get his shot off whenever he wants. And he's got some point guard skills too.

        And Jokic better be listed above Porzingas.
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          And Jokic better be listed above Porzingas.
          He wasn't. The decision must have been made before that last match up. Lol
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      So Love had knee surgery and will be out at least six weeks which will be about two weeks before the playoffs. Maybe the Cavs should have traded him for Melo after all. Love is injury prone.

      Dallas coach Rick Carlisle thinks the Celtics have a good chance to make it to the finals this year. Currently, they trail the Cavs by just 2 games. "The Celtics have got a legitimate chance to get to the Finals with that team out of the East," Carlisle said. "It's a very, very good basketball team. ... Their ability to score is elite and they have great depth. They have a lot of guys that have gained experience. I just see them as a real threat."

      I think Washington could give the Cavs a good run for their money also. Maybe even Toronto since they just added Ibaka via trade.
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        Watched the second half of the Cleveland vs Indiana game. The best part is they had Bill Walton and Dick Vitale as commentators and Bill out talked Dick by a wide margin. Bill is the best. A national treasure!

        Kurt, Walton was asked about trading for Carmelo and he said that he hopes any of the teams that he likes, and he names 5 or 6, don't trade to get Anthony. Asked why, he said because he likes winning. Boom. Lol
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        So Love had knee surgery and will be out at least six weeks which will be about two weeks before the playoffs. Maybe the Cavs should have traded him for Melo after all. Love is injury prone.

        Dallas coach Rick Carlisle thinks the Celtics have a good chance to make it to the finals this year. Currently, they trail the Cavs by just 2 games. "The Celtics have got a legitimate chance to get to the Finals with that team out of the East," Carlisle said. "It's a very, very good basketball team. ... Their ability to score is elite and they have great depth. They have a lot of guys that have gained experience. I just see them as a real threat."

        I think Washington could give the Cavs a good run for their money also. Maybe even Toronto since they just added Ibaka via trade.
        If Love is back for the playoffs I don't think it matters much. Here's my odds of winning the championship:
        60% Ws
        25% Cavs
        10% Spurs
        5% The Field
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          If Love is back for the playoffs I don't think it matters much. Here's my odds of winning the championship:
          60% Ws
          25% Cavs
          10% Spurs
          5% The Field
          Adjusted for Durant's injury:
          40% Ws
          30% Cavs
          20% Spurs
          10% The Field
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Adjusted for Durant's injury:
            40% Ws
            30% Cavs
            20% Spurs
            10% The Field
            Updated odds:
            30% Ws
            30% Cavs
            30% Spurs
            10% The Field
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Updated odds:
              30% Ws
              30% Cavs
              30% Spurs
              10% The Field
              Updated odds:
              28% Ws
              28% Cavs
              34% Spurs
              10% The Field
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Updated odds:
                28% Ws
                28% Cavs
                34% Spurs
                10% The Field
                Why the change? I wasn't feeling very confident about the Warriors winning it all after KD got hurt and both Curry and Thompson went into a slump, but now they are gelling again. Actually, I think they are now playing as well as they have all year, even without Durant. In fact, that injury may have helped them by forcing other players to step up. Iguodala is playing terrific ball and some of the bench is picking it up.
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                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Why the change? I wasn't feeling very confident about the Warriors winning it all after KD got hurt and both Curry and Thompson went into a slump, but now they are gelling again. Actually, I think they are now playing as well as they have all year, even without Durant. In fact, that injury may have helped them by forcing other players to step up. Iguodala is playing terrific ball and some of the bench is picking it up.
                  Because my Nuggets beat both your Ws and the Cavs and we can't hang with the Spurs. Isn't it obvious? LOL


                  BTW, I only lowered the odds for the Ws from 30 to 28%...It's tougher for both the Spurs and Ws because they probably have to play each other before reaching the finals, while the Cavs don't have as much competition as I'm not really sold on Boston (and we beat them too).
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Updated odds:
                28% Ws
                28% Cavs
                34% Spurs
                10% The Field
                Appreciate the shout out but I agree with Tim, Warriors are gelling just at the right time.
                It will be some great playoffs games but I have to give the edge to Warriors.
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                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Appreciate the shout out but I agree with Tim, Warriors are gelling just at the right time.
                  It will be some great playoffs games but I have to give the edge to Warriors.
                  You guys are more than welcome to add your own odds. I've done pretty well in the past on this forum with my predictions...

                  The Ws have won 5 straight, other than OKC none of the teams they beat recently were very good. We should get a better feel for them after their next 5.

                  BTW, my Nuggets are the only team in the NBA this year to beat both the Cavs and the Ws by 10 or more points...we're gellin' too! LOL
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                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    The Ws have won 5 straight, other than OKC none of the teams they beat recently were very good. We should get a better feel for them after their next 5.
                    6 games now after a kind of lackluster win last night. Yes, not the toughest schedule but the Bucks are playing pretty well now and had won 8 of 9 when the Dubs played them. ( I know, the Nuggets beat them easily also. ). The Warriors next 6 games are tough: Memphis, Houston, Spurs, Houston, Washington and Minnesota ( They beat the Warriors the last game ).

                    we're gellin' too! LOL
                    You guys really are looking good.

                    Hey, have you guys been listening to this Lavar Ball dude, the dad of Lonzo Ball of UCLA? The guy says Lonzo is better than Curry now and is Magic with a jump shot. Lol. I hadn't seen Lonzo play so I watched last night's game against Kentucky: 10 points, 1 for 6 on threes, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, four turnovers. He's a good young player but Dad is really going overboard on him.
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                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      6 games now after a kind of lackluster win last night. Yes, not the toughest schedule but the Bucks are playing pretty well now and had won 8 of 9 when the Dubs played them. ( I know, the Nuggets beat them easily also. ). The Warriors next 6 games are tough: Memphis, Houston, Spurs, Houston, Washington and Minnesota ( They beat the Warriors the last game ).



                      You guys really are looking good.

                      Hey, have you guys been listening to this Lavar Ball dude, the dad of Lonzo Ball of UCLA? The guy says Lonzo is better than Curry now and is Magic with a jump shot. Lol. I hadn't seen Lonzo play so I watched last night's game against Kentucky: 10 points, 1 for 6 on threes, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, four turnovers. He's a good young player but Dad is really going overboard on him.
                      LaVar Ball gets on my nerves and the media needs to ignore this guy. He's nothing but a blowhard. A couple of days ago he said he could beat MJ one on one.

                      From what I understand, Lonzo is a good kid, it's too bad his dad's mouth has a lot of folks rooting against Lonzo. Lonzo's expected to be the first or second player taken in this year's draft, but Monk and Fox from Kentucky both really outplayed Lonzo last night.

                      The worst part may be that there's two more Balls (get it? two balls?) in high school that are supposed to be really good, so we'll have to put up with even more of LaVar's mouth in the future.


                      I really want to make the playoffs, but I don't think we will. We end the season with too many road games and Portland plays many of their remaining games at home. Using the "Doug Moe system", where you subtract road wins from home losses, we're -3 and Portland is 0, even though we're a game up in the standings.
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                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


                    BTW, my Nuggets are the only team in the NBA this year to beat both the Cavs and the Ws by 10 or more points...we're gellin' too! LOL
                    Yeah I was reading an article about Alex English the other day. He was a M-fer of a player. And his Gamecocks are looking pretty good this year.

                    Nuggets have really had some storied players who were phenomenal. I don't think some people really realize that
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                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                      Yeah I was reading an article about Alex English the other day. He was a M-fer of a player. And his Gamecocks are looking pretty good this year.

                      Nuggets have really had some storied players who were phenomenal. I don't think some people really realize that
                      A little bit of trivia...

                      George Mikan scored more points than any other player in the decade of the 1950s.

                      Wilt Chamberlain scored more points than any other player in the decade of the 1960s.

                      Kareem scored more points than any other player in the decade of the 1970s.

                      Alex English scored more points than any other player in the decade of the 1980s.

                      Alex is in pretty good company...

                      BTW, I "think" David Robinson scored more points than any other in the 1990s...not sure about this but Jordan took off for a bit in the 90s.
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      Okay Tim, I will leave it at that. To each his own





      Although Im still not sure whether you are being sarcastic and jestful about that guy. If not ,maybe it's a West Coast bias.That's the only thing I can think of lol
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      Kyrie Irving apparently is a full blown conspiracy theorist. He believes the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked and other crazy stuff. He would fit right in with the Trump admin.
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      Big news today: Lakers fire Mitch Kupchak ( finally! ) and GM Jim Buss and make Magic the President of basketball operations. Jeanie Buss fired her brother! Good for her. lol. I bet TL is happy about this turn of events.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Big news today: Lakers fire Mitch Kupchak ( finally! ) and GM Jim Buss and make Magic the President of basketball operations. Jeanie Buss fired her brother! Good for her. lol. I bet TL is happy about this turn of events.


        BTW, didn't Jeanie call off the wedding with Phil a few months ago? Where's TL when you need him?
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          BTW, didn't Jeanie call off the wedding with Phil a few months ago? Where's TL when you need him?
          Yes, they were engaged for several years and now aren't.
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            Durant hyper extends his left knee and it was bad enough that they decide to sign Matt Barnes instead of Jose Calderone. We'll know more later but it doesn't seem like it will be good news. Meanwhile the Cavs sign Derron Williams after adding Kyle Korver and Derrick Williams, plus they may be signing Bogut.
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        Too bad. Hope it's not serious.
        As for Matt Barnes, uhmm always seemed inconsistent to me. At times shows signs of a really solid player but then seems to disappoint, imo
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        Kurt, good win last night over the Cavs. Of course, I think any time a team beats the Cavs it is a good win, but I like the Nuggets also. Looked like just about the whole team played well.
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        The Clippers still seem to have the choke mystique after losing last night. They blew a 19 point lead with 5 minutes left. How rare is that?

        Teams Leading by 18+ Points in Final 5 Minutes - This Season
        Wins 359
        Losses 1 (Clippers)

        Entering Sunday, teams were 6,746-1 over the last 20 seasons when leading by at least 18 points in the final 5 minutes.

        Lol

        Looking forward to tonight's Cavs/Spurs game in SA. The odds have the Spurs by just 5. If I was a betting man I would take the Spurs to beat that one. I should be pulling for the Cavs in this one but I just can't.
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          The Clippers still seem to have the choke mystique after losing last night. They blew a 19 point lead with 5 minutes left. How rare is that?

          Teams Leading by 18+ Points in Final 5 Minutes - This Season
          Wins 359
          Losses 1 (Clippers)

          Entering Sunday, teams were 6,746-1 over the last 20 seasons when leading by at least 18 points in the final 5 minutes.

          Lol

          Looking forward to tonight's Cavs/Spurs game in SA. The odds have the Spurs by just 5. If I was a betting man I would take the Spurs to beat that one. I should be pulling for the Cavs in this one but I just can't.

          Spurs up 27 last I checked, I can't watch this. I wonder who LeBron will blame this time?


          I will need to update my championship odds, Cavs have looked pretty bad for an extended period of time.
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Spurs up 27 last I checked, I can't watch this. I wonder who LeBron will blame this time?


            I will need to update my championship odds, Cavs have looked pretty bad for an extended period of time.
            The Cavs really are playing bad for a Champion. They have lost 10 out of their last 17 games. Boston is the first seed now. Again, if I was a betting man I would bet against the Cavs winning the Championship or maybe even making the finals this year. I'm not sure what those odds are.

            It got so bad last night Lebron did the fake injury shtick and went to the locker room early. lol I must say though, Lebron is playing great ball. His team's defense is terrible though.

            Now, tonight's game against Houston should a good match up. Houston is playing well, winning 4 in a row and 7 out of 10. The Warriors just need to make their threes at their normal pace and avoid making dumb turnovers. Tough game tomorrow also, against the Spurs.
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        I thought Shaq might have been kidding. Lol. Good to see he was. Now, Kyrie and Draymond? Geesh. I hope Draymond was kidding too.
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        Kurt, good win last night by the Nuggets. They are still in it, just a half game behind Portland who has lost two in a row now.

        Big games tonight, the Cavs vs the Celtics in Boston and the Nuggets against the Rockets in Houston.

        Last night there was a big controversy because Lance Stevenson made a wide open layup with a couple seconds left against Toronto. Toronto players were super pissed off and got right into Stevenson's face almost causing a brawl. Today a video surfaced of a Toronto win against the Sixers where a Toronto player steals the ball with a couple seconds left, ahead by 22 points and does a windmill dunk. Lol Hypocrites!

        The Warriors faced the same thing a few nights ago against the Wizards when Mcgee had the ball outside the three point line with 1 second left on the shot clock and 4 or 5 seconds left in the game, ahead by over 20 points. He shot it and was then shoved to the ground by a Wizard player drawing a flagrant foul.

        This is ridiculous I think and makes these players look petty and soft. Kind of like the oh so terrible bat flip after a home run that pisses off people so much in baseball. Good grief!

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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Kurt, good win last night by the Nuggets. They are still in it, just a half game behind Portland who has lost two in a row now.

          Big games tonight, the Cavs vs the Celtics in Boston and the Nuggets against the Rockets in Houston.

          Last night there was a big controversy because Lance Stevenson made a wide open layup with a couple seconds left against Toronto. Toronto players were super pissed off and got right into Stevenson's face almost causing a brawl. Today a video surfaced of a Toronto win against the Sixers where a Toronto player steals the ball with a couple seconds left, ahead by 22 points and does a windmill dunk. Lol Hypocrites!

          The Warriors faced the same thing a few nights ago against the Wizards when Mcgee had the ball outside the three point line with 1 second left on the shot clock and 4 or 5 seconds left in the game, ahead by over 20 points. He shot it and was then shoved to the ground by a Wizard player drawing a flagrant foul.

          This is ridiculous I think and makes these players look petty and soft. Kind of like the oh so terrible bat flip after a home run that pisses off people so much in baseball. Good grief!

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          Thanks Tim...thing is they have the tie breaker so in reality we're 1.5 games back with 5 to go. I do give us some credit for not quitting and packing things in.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Trivia: It's kind of hard to believe, but I heard this on the local Nuggets broadcast a few days ago...Nicola Jokic has had more triple doubles than any other non-American born player in NBA history with 6.
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        That is surprising and impressive for Jokic. I would have thought somebody like Ginobili, Dirk, Nash, Tony Parker, Olajuwon, Kyrie Erving, Detlef Schrempf, Kukoc etc... would have over 6. I was also a bit surprised to find out Draymond Green needs one more triple double to tie the Warriors all time record of 20.

        Boston sure layed an egg the other night against the Cavs. Geesh. And they lost again last night to Atlanta. Is any team in the East ever going to play a Lebron team tough?
        Correction: Jokic's record is for most triple doubles in a SEASON by a non-American born player, which is much easier to believe.
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          Yes, that makes more sense.

          Hey, the Cavs blew a 26 point lead in the fourth quarter today!! Incredible. That's two late loses to the Hawks in the past week and the Hawks win the season series 3-1. Maybe it will be the Hawks who can beat them this year in the playoffs. They seem to match up with the Cavs pretty well now.
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Yes, that makes more sense.

            Hey, the Cavs blew a 26 point lead in the fourth quarter today!! Incredible. That's two late loses to the Hawks in the past week and the Hawks win the season series 3-1. Maybe it will be the Hawks who can beat them this year in the playoffs. They seem to match up with the Cavs pretty well now.
            We blew a 10 pt lead with 3 minutes left for the SECOND time to OKC to end our playoff hopes today. This has been maybe the most frustrating season for me ever. We easily lost 5-6 games we should have won.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              We blew a 10 pt lead with 3 minutes left for the SECOND time to OKC to end our playoff hopes today. This has been maybe the most frustrating season for me ever. We easily lost 5-6 games we should have won.
              Well, at least your team is on the upswing. How would you like to be a Knicks fan like our friend Ron D? Lol

              Hey Kurt, Jokic isn't far away from the all time record for a foreign born player. Looks to me like Olajuwon is the leader now with just 15!

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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Well, at least your team is on the upswing. How would you like to be a Knicks fan like our friend Ron D? Lol

                Hey Kurt, Jokic isn't far away from the all time record for a foreign born player. Looks to me like Olajuwon is the leader now with just 15!

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                One of my favorite players ever, Fat Lever is #6 ahead of MJ. Fat is on my all time "hard worker" team. Doug Moe was famous for yelling at players. A reporter asked him why he never yelled at Fat and Moe replied because he never had to.

                BTW, a couple of laughs. First, the Nets are "resting" their starters tonight. Resting for what? The off season?

                Next, TL's Lakers can't even tank correctly, winning 5 straight meaningless games, although I give the players credit for wanting to win.
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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Well, at least your team is on the upswing. How would you like to be a Knicks fan like our friend Ron D? Lol

                Hey Kurt, Jokic isn't far away from the all time record for a foreign born player. Looks to me like Olajuwon is the leader now with just 15!

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                Phil Jackson is a joke. You know it's bad when he actually makes me feel sympathetic for Melo. Someone needs to remind Phil that the Knicks won more games with Melo BEFORE he took over.
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                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  Phil Jackson is a joke. You know it's bad when he actually makes me feel sympathetic for Melo. Someone needs to remind Phil that the Knicks won more games with Melo BEFORE he took over.
                  You are right. I actually feel sorry for Melo for having to deal with that Ahole. What Jackson doesn't seem to be concerned about is free agents are going to be less likely to sign with the Knicks because of the Knicks owner and also because of Jackson's treatment of players such as Melo. Dumb.

                  That video in Denver reminds me of him coming to a local school in the Bay Area, St Joseph, a couple years ago to shoot a commercial. This is the school my ex gf's kids were attending at the time and one of them is seen at the 20 second mark in the commercial.

                  By the way, this gym is where Jason Kidd played in High School. His jersey and number hang from the rafters.

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                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    You are right. I actually feel sorry for Melo for having to deal with that Ahole. What Jackson doesn't seem to be concerned about is free agents are going to be less likely to sign with the Knicks because of the Knicks owner and also because of Jackson's treatment of players such as Melo. Dumb.

                    That video in Denver reminds me of him coming to a local school in the Bay Area, St Joseph, a couple years ago to shoot a commercial. This is the school my ex gf's kids were attending at the time and one of them is seen at the 20 second mark in the commercial.

                    By the way, this gym is where Jason Kidd played in High School. His jersey and number hang from the rafters.

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                    Did you see where Porzingas skipped his season exit meeting with Phil? Then Phil runs to the media and says every player on the team is tradable in the next few weeks, including Porzingas. Jackson is clueless. Who would want to play for that guy?
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          good to see theres still an intelligent thread on here..

          might get to watch some Bball soon (being busy sucks). Miami could make some noise.

          ....wait.....Wade in a black uniform that is not the heat. pain point in south beach this
          playoffs.
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            good to see theres still an intelligent thread on here..

            might get to watch some Bball soon (being busy sucks). Miami could make some noise.

            ....wait.....Wade in a black uniform that is not the heat. pain point in south beach this
            playoffs.
            Wade had a very good game last night along with Rondo.

            I just want some team to play the Cavs tough in the East this year. It doesn't look like it will be Toronto or Boston. Maybe the Wizards or the Bulls?

            Did you see where Porzingas skipped his season exit meeting with Phil? Then Phil runs to the media and says every player on the team is tradable in the next few weeks, including Porzingas. Jackson is clueless. Who would want to play for that guy?
            I didn't hear that. Hard to believe. smh

            Boston has not looked good since they got blown out by the Cavs late in the year. They do look turrible.
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          Time to do something drastic with the Clippers. My choice would be to get rid of Doc Rivers first as President, GM, Coach and anything else he does. He's very overrated.

          Good first game for the Celtics against the Wizards. I'm not sold on them either but I think they could beat the Cavs with a great team effort.

          Glad to hear about the 49ers draft! I haven't been following.
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Time to do something drastic with the Clippers. My choice would be to get rid of Doc Rivers first as President, GM, Coach and anything else he does. He's very overrated.

            Good first game for the Celtics against the Wizards. I'm not sold on them either but I think they could beat the Cavs with a great team effort.

            Glad to hear about the 49ers draft! I haven't been following.
            You should read about it...9ers had #2 overall and traded it to Chicago for the #3 overall and a bunch of extra picks. Rumors are Lynch "bluffed" Chicago that another team was trying to trade with them for a QB (Trubisky) in order to get the extra picks from Chicago.

            With the #3 Lynch got the player he wanted anyway and then he used one of the extra picks to trade up to the back of the first round and got a great LB from Alabama (Foster), who fell because of possible shoulder problems and a "diluted" drug test. Basically, Lynch got 2 of the top 5 or so defensive players in the draft, assuming Foster can stay healthy.

            Yeah, I agree Rivers is over-rated, as are a couple of players on the Clippers.

            Personally, I don't think the Celts have a chance against the Cavs.
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          See if we can get off to a better start tonight.

          Rockets are a terrible matchup for Spurs. They are dangerous all the time.

          Harden has really grown as a player and his mentality is sharp. He wants to get people the ball and win.

          So Spurs treading dangerous territory here.

          Hope Pop makes adjustment.

          But those 3s will kill you
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          The Rockets got man handled by the Spurs tough D last night. Harden was totally frustrated by Leonard and was complaining throughout the game. If there's one guy who shouldn't complain about the refs it's Harden as he gets more close calls than anyone. Great player, but I get so tired of seeing him throw up his arms to hit the other players arms and get three free throws. He's going to have to work hard to score against the Spurs.
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          Ginobili and Vince Carter are still playing really well for their age.

          Celtics looked good last night. Being someone who mainly wants to see the Cavs lose, I am kind of torn as to who would be a better challenge to them, Boston or Wash. At first I was thinking the Celtics because they would have home court advantage, but then again they don't seem to match up well with the Cavs and Washington beat the Cavs two in a row this season. Well, I guess I will just go with the winner of the series will be the best team. lol

          Classy Celtics fans last night chanting "F*&^ You Oubre".
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          Robert, I think Leonard's injury is more than a slight sprain. I used to get a sprained ankle about once a year when I played in high school. Sometimes it isn't so bad, but other times I was out for weeks and the pain was tremendous. Leonard is pretty tough and he couldn't put up with it in game one. He reminded me of Curry a few years ago when he kept on spraining his ankles. It can become an ongoing problem and cause further damage to the ligaments. Leonard is their star for the next decade so it makes sense to be cautious.

          I was more upset at Pop over his ridiculous accusation against Pachulia. Intent doesn't matter? Leonard got hurt by stepping on David Lee's foot also. Does that make Lee guilty of being a dirty player also? lol

          Kurt, it looks like Kristaps Porziņģis missed his exit meeting with Jackson because he's not happy with the direction the Knicks are going. haha. A lot of that is Phil's fault.

          Looks like both the Dubs and the Cavs will undefeated going into the finals. A first. It should be a great finals. The Cavs defense has picked up after being pretty bad most of the season. LeBron is playing great ball I must admit. Curry and Durant are also. Even Klay is showing signs of waking up offensively. McGeee had 16 points in 13 minutes yesterday! Igoudala is back and Zaza should be soon also. Green has only one technical in the playoffs and seems as focused as ever. Dubs are ready.
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    Jokic missed three games (we lost two) and in his first game back has the first triple double of his career: 20 13 and 11. I love this kid!
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    Jackson is the ultimate control freak. He's not really getting his own way in NYC
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Now the Charles Oakley incident...Are the Knicks now the most dysfunctional team in major American pro sports?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Now the Charles Oakley incident...Are the Knicks now the most dysfunctional team in major American pro sports?
      Them, or the 49ers. A toss up.

      Hey, the Knicks owner reminds me of the Warriors last owner who was considered one of the worst in sports, along with the guy who owned the Clippers.
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    BTW, the Nuggets are playing the Knicks as I'm typing this...in a defensive battle we're down 66-64 at the half.
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    RIP to Fab Melo, the former Celtic that died at age 26. That's the third Celtic I can remember that died at a very young age along with Len Bias and Reggie Lewis.
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    And speaking of Reggie Lewis...He played at Dunbar High School and was one of four NBA first round picks on that high school team. If I remember correctly, the other 3 were Reggie Williams, Muggsy Bogues and David Wingate. That's a pretty good high school team.
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      What do you think of the Denver/Portland trade Kurt? Hard for me to evaluate who won, if anyone did. I like Plumlee though. I've been thinking for a while that he'd be a good fit on the Warriors. He's got skills.

      Robert, what's up with the spurs? Lost to the Knicks and are not playing like their usual selves.
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        Well, as I said about one year ago, The Nuggets beat the Warriors, so they are now the best team in the league.

        I don't know what it is about the Nuggets but they always seem to give the Warriors a bad time. Tonight, they couldn't miss a three, and even tied the nba record for most threes in a game!
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Well, as I said about one year ago, The Nuggets beat the Warriors, so they are now the best team in the league.

          I don't know what it is about the Nuggets but they always seem to give the Warriors a bad time. Tonight, they couldn't miss a three, and even tied the nba record for most threes in a game!
          I had to laugh...when we had the tie for most 3s made with 7 seconds left, needing a 3 to break the record and dribbling the clock out, the local play-by-play guy says, "This is where we need JR Smith."


          Jokic gets his second triple double with 17-21-12. And our 3rd stringers beat your 3rd stringers.
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            Jokic is deceptively great it seems. Very smooth player who quietly goes about racking up terrific stats. Denver is looking like they are going to be tough to keep out of the playoffs.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        What do you think of the Denver/Portland trade Kurt? Hard for me to evaluate who won, if anyone did. I like Plumlee though. I've been thinking for a while that he'd be a good fit on the Warriors. He's got skills.

        Robert, what's up with the spurs? Lost to the Knicks and are not playing like their usual selves.
        Yeah that was pretty sad. Although tonight they gave a tough Pacers team a run for their money at Pacers court and come out and won.
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    Does anyone here see a team with a legitimate path to beating the Warriors this year? They've taken the Super-Team concept to a new level...
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      Originally Posted by DGabeNJ View Post

      Does anyone here see a team with a legitimate path to beating the Warriors this year? They've taken the Super-Team concept to a new level...
      After last years finals, yes. I don't think the Warriors are in the same category as the peak Michael Jordon led Bulls Championship years. Yet. If they win this year, then people can start to compare. Curry, Thompson and Durant have to be more consistent in the playoffs, and especially the finals. I think the more experience they have in the playoffs the better they will get, but they certainly are beatable.

      If Love is back for the playoffs I don't think it matters much. Here's my odds of winning the championship:
      60% Ws
      25% Cavs
      10% Spurs
      5% The Field
      Seems about right.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        After last years finals, yes. I don't think the Warriors are in the same category as the peak Michael Jordon led Bulls Championship years. Yet. If they win this year, then people can start to compare. Curry, Thompson and Durant have to be more consistent in the playoffs, and especially the finals. I think the more experience they have in the playoffs the better they will get, but they certainly are beatable.



        Seems about right.
        I know the Cavaliers always have an extra gear so to speak when it's playoff time but I can't see them beating the Warriors in a BO7. I'd love to be proven wrong of course, Curry, although I have so much respect for his game, has an heir of arrogance that really rubs me the wrong way.

        Would be awesome to see CP3 and Griffin go far...just for a change of scenery.
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    Would be cool to see the Clippers make a run too.
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    Jamal Murray wins the Rising Star MVP. IMO other than Jokic, Murray is the young Nugget that has big time potential. I like Murray's potential more than Mudiay's.
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    Durant to Westbrook alley-oop!
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    It will be interesting to see how Boogie and The Brow work out...
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    I tried checking out some of the All Star stuff, but found it all unwatchable. I don't have any ideas what would be more interesting, but I know that wasn't.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I tried checking out some of the All Star stuff, but found it all unwatchable. I don't have any ideas what would be more interesting, but I know that wasn't.
      Yes, the slam dunk I haven't watched in years. The 3 point contest I watched last year but not this year. The game itself is not interesting anymore. I think they used to try to play some defense, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Now, it's just wide open dunks and 3 point shots.

      The Demarcus Cousins trade was surprising because everyone was denying it would happen. The Pelicans should make the playoffs now because they have imo the two best bigs in the league, a good point guard, plus a good coach. We'll see if Cousins can control his temper.

      Vlade Divac, the Kings GM, said he had a better deal for Cousins two days earlier. Why say something like that? SMH. That isn't going to make Kings fans too happy.

      Dummy Steven A Smith says the Celtics would be better off getting Carmelo than Jimmy Butler!? That guy is clueless sometimes.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Yes, the slam dunk I haven't watched in years. The 3 point contest I watched last year but not this year. The game itself is not interesting anymore. I think they used to try to play some defense, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Now, it's just wide open dunks and 3 point shots.
        It's all pretty much unwatchable for me.

        Remember in the 70s when they had the HORSE competition and Maravich made everyone else look silly?

        The Demarcus Cousins trade was surprising because everyone was denying it would happen. The Pelicans should make the playoffs now because they have imo the two best bigs in the league, a good point guard, plus a good coach. We'll see if Cousins can control his temper.
        Hey!!! If NO makes the playoffs it probably means we miss them! I think/hope it will take them a number of games to figure out how to play together. It could be tough since they both play the same position. Let's see how Boogie reacts to not being the sole focus of the team.

        Vlade Divac, the Kings GM, said he had a better deal for Cousins two days earlier. Why say something like that? SMH. That isn't going to make Kings fans too happy.
        The only reason I can think of why Vlade would say that is frustration with ownership, but I agree that there isn't much of an upside by saying it publicly.

        Dummy Steven A Smith says the Celtics would be better off getting Carmelo than Jimmy Butler!? That guy is clueless sometimes.
        Sometimes?
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          It's all pretty much unwatchable for me.

          Remember in the 70s when they had the HORSE competition and Maravich made everyone else look silly?
          I forgot about that. Yeah, that was fun to watch.



          Hey!!! If NO makes the playoffs it probably means we miss them!
          Not necessarily, but it will make it harder for you guys. There's a lot of competition for the last few spots.


          Sometimes?
          Most of the time? Always? haha

          Tim,
          You remember 30 years ago in 87' and 88' it was so huge. I was in college and we had to make it home to my roommate's house to watch it on cable. And it was just the most exiting thing . Spud and Dominque and Jordan
          And the jump from the foul line to emulate Dr. J
          Yes, I enjoyed it back then. They should have Bill Walton announce it now to at least make it interesting to listen to.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Yes, the slam dunk I haven't watched in years.

        .

        Tim,
        You remember 30 years ago in 87' and 88' it was so huge. I was in college and we had to make it home to my roommate's house to watch it on cable. And it was just the most exiting thing . Spud and Dominque and Jordan
        And the jump from the foul line to emulate Dr. J

        Gosh I miss those days lol

        Just boring for me anymore
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    Last night Jokic got his 3rd triple double in February, becoming the first center to get 3 triple/doubles in the same month since David Robinson.

    Jokic followed It up with another triple double tonight with 13, 14 and 10.

    Jokic is different from practically all the other centers in that he gets his triple with assists and not blocks.
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    When trying to reach your goals, be sure to keep this bit of wisdom from Michael Jordan in mind, "The ceiling is the roof".
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      When trying to reach your goals, be sure to keep this bit of wisdom from Michael Jordan in mind, "The ceiling is the roof".
      I saw that while at the gym and couldn't help but really lol. Wtf?

      Bogut was a plant by the Warriors. He also wiretapped the Cavs locker room.
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    Wow...Bogut plays 15 seconds for the Cavs before breaking his leg.
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    D'Angelo Russell showing off his skills...where's TL when you need him?


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    Jokic got his 5th triple double tonight...all of them since the All Star break. Only Westbrook, Harden and LeBron have more. Since Jokic was put into the starting lineup in December we're 23-19 . We were 10-16 before that.
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    Lovin their style of play this year..
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    BTW Tim...about our conversation concerning Shaq on FB about him being a flat Earther....I saw the clip of him saying that on Jimmy Kimmel. At the end of him talking about driving from Florida to CA and the Earth was flat, Shaq said he was just joking. It was kind of muffled, but clear enough to hear that he wasn't serious.


    Check it out at about the 55 second point in this video...


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    My question for the Flatters is still: where exactly are the edges of the Earth?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I think we can now officially say the Ws are hot.

    Updated championship odds:

    Ws 40%
    Spurs 30%
    Cavs 20%
    Field 10%
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think we can now officially say the Ws are hot.

      Updated championship odds:

      Ws 40%
      Spurs 30%
      Cavs 20%
      Field 10%
      I'm mostly impressed by their defense the past few weeks. They have really stepped it up and Matt Barnes has been a great addition. He's really playing under control, aggressive and smart ball. That first period last night had me worried though, I won't lie.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think we can now officially say the Ws are hot.

      Updated championship odds:

      Ws 90%
      Spurs 5%
      Cavs 2.5%
      Field 2.5%
      Fixed that for you

      The Dubs proved last night that they control the "light switch". When they want it to be "lights out"...well it's "lights out".

      And thats with or without KD.

      My prediction is the Uconn women will lose the NCAA before the Dubs will lose the NBA championship this year.

      To me that is what kind of upset we are talking about .

      Think on the magnitude of 80' olympics, big red versus USA in hockey
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Fixed that for you

        The Dubs proved last night that they control the "light switch". When they want it to be "lights out"...well it's "lights out".

        And thats with or without KD.

        My prediction is the Uconn women will lose the NCAA before the Dubs will lose the NBA championship this year.

        To me that is what kind of upset we are talking about .

        Think on the magnitude of 80' olympics, big red versus USA in hockey
        I'll take the Spurs at 20 to 1, which is the odds you're giving. I'll also take the Cavs at 40 to 1.
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Fixed that for you

        The Dubs proved last night that they control the "light switch". When they want it to be "lights out"...well it's "lights out".

        And thats with or without KD.

        My prediction is the Uconn women will lose the NCAA before the Dubs will lose the NBA championship this year.

        To me that is what kind of upset we are talking about .

        Think on the magnitude of 80' olympics, big red versus USA in hockey
        Ha. You have more confidence in them winning than I do. After last years finals, it's hard for me to be too cocky about them winning it all. I think the Spurs and Cavs could beat them, but I like their chances.
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Ha. You have more confidence in them winning than I do. After last years finals, it's hard for me to be too cocky about them winning it all. I think the Spurs and Cavs could beat them, but I like their chances.
          You're dreaming, Tim. No way the Dubs can lose , You want to put a wager on
          it ??
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            You're dreaming, Tim. No way the Dubs can lose , You want to put a wager on
            it ??
            Well, if I bet against the Warriors winning it all, that would just about guarantee them winning it all. lol.

            The MVP race seemingly is down to Westbrook and Harden. It's amazing to think that both of them, along with Durant, were on the same OKC team.
            I remember OKC facing Miami in the 2012 finals and losing. Harden completely choked in that series. Just turrable.

            But yeah, there was a lot of talent on that team. They should have done whatever they could to keep those three together.
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Fixed that for you

        The Dubs proved last night that they control the "light switch". When they want it to be "lights out"...well it's "lights out".

        And thats with or without KD.

        My prediction is the Uconn women will lose the NCAA before the Dubs will lose the NBA championship this year.

        To me that is what kind of upset we are talking about .

        Think on the magnitude of 80' olympics, big red versus USA in hockey
        Mississippi State stuns UConn 66-64 in Final Four to end Huskies' 111-game win streak
        College Sports News - Chicago Tribune
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    The MVP race seemingly is down to Westbrook and Harden. It's amazing to think that both of them, along with Durant, were on the same OKC team.
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    BTW...where is TL, anyone heard from him?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      BTW...where is TL, anyone heard from him?
      Nope. I don't think he's much into the NBA lately. Not sure why. ;D

      Maybe we should talk about Trump in this thread. That might draw him in.
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    Trivia: It's kind of hard to believe, but I heard this on the local Nuggets broadcast a few days ago...Nicola Jokic has had more triple doubles than any other non-American born player in NBA history with 6.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Trivia: It's kind of hard to believe, but I heard this on the local Nuggets broadcast a few days ago...Nicola Jokic has had more triple doubles than any other non-American born player in NBA history with 6.
      That is surprising and impressive for Jokic. I would have thought somebody like Ginobili, Dirk, Nash, Tony Parker, Olajuwon, Kyrie Erving, Detlef Schrempf, Kukoc etc... would have over 6. I was also a bit surprised to find out Draymond Green needs one more triple double to tie the Warriors all time record of 20.

      Boston sure layed an egg the other night against the Cavs. Geesh. And they lost again last night to Atlanta. Is any team in the East ever going to play a Lebron team tough?
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    That's it for me...we finished 40-42. I thought we'd have around 43 wins, so I wasn't too far off. The best thing for the season is Jokic showing he may be able to become a superstar. Last game of the year he had 29-16-8 and added 5 blocks.
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    He Tim...thought you might like this. This past Feb, Steph dropped by a Denver high school (North) to play a game of S-E-S-Q-U-I-P-E-D-A-L-I-A-N (characterized by long words).


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    Lurker here , I like basketball, could Toronto make the Cavs work or it's going to be a short series?
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      Originally Posted by jbbryant View Post

      Lurker here , I like basketball, could Toronto make the Cavs work or it's going to be a short series?
      I sure hope Toronto can at least win a couple games. I was disappointed in Indiana, who were ahead of the Cavs by 26 in game three and blew it. No wonder Larry Bird retired.

      A deal that seems to make sense is Carmelo to LAC for Blake Griffin, although if I were LAC I wouldn't want Melo.
      I wouldn't want either of those guys. Griffin mostly because he can't seem to play a whole season without getting injured and would be too expensive for an injury prone star. Plus, he's not the inside player he used to be.

      I'm glad to see the Celtics turn it around and beat the Bulls. They will still have home court advantage against the Cavs if they meet.

      Big game seven tomorrow. It's strange because I have felt myself pulling for the Clippers the last couple of games and that never happens.

      The Spurs vs Houston series should be real interesting. I think the Rockets just might pull an upset.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I sure hope Toronto can at least win a couple games. I was disappointed in Indiana, who were ahead of the Cavs by 26 in game three and blew it. No wonder Larry Bird retired.



        I wouldn't want either of those guys. Griffin mostly because he can't seem to play a whole season without getting injured and would be too expensive for an injury prone star. Plus, he's not the inside player he used to be.

        I'm glad to see the Celtics turn it around and beat the Bulls. They will still have home court advantage against the Cavs if they meet.

        Big game seven tomorrow. It's strange because I have felt myself pulling for the Clippers the last couple of games and that never happens.

        The Spurs vs Houston series should be real interesting. I think the Rockets just might pull an upset.
        I'm still not sold on the Celtics...Rondo going out changed the entire complexion of that series.

        It seems Utah always flies under the radar. I've enjoyed watching that series and watching Balmer go emo.

        BTW, John Lynch seems to have done a great job with the draft for the 49ers. Since he and Kyle Shanahan have such strong ties to the Broncos, they're now my second favorite team.
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    A deal that seems to make sense is Carmelo to LAC for Blake Griffin, although if I were LAC I wouldn't want Melo.
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    ^ A Clippers victory will finally answer , can GSW beat LAC in the playoffs? but then again Griffin is not healthy so there's Doc Rivers excuse . A Jazz-Warriors match-up will no doubt make the Warriors sweat and barring any major injury, GSW in 5 or 6.
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    And speaking of overrated Clippers....anyone else think CP3 is a bit overrated?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And speaking of overrated Clippers....anyone else think CP3 is a bit overrated?
      Hmm, I'm not sure if he is overrated anymore. He used to be considered the best point guard for years and now he is maybe in the top 5. Maybe. I don't think he is the problem with the Clippers. Their lack of depth, coaching and constant injuries hurt them.

      Good win for the Spurs last night! And the Cavs seem to be back in playoff mode, or is it that Toronto just sucks?
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Hmm, I'm not sure if he is overrated anymore. He used to be considered the best point guard for years and now he is maybe in the top 5. Maybe. I don't think he is the problem with the Clippers. Their lack of depth, coaching and constant injuries hurt them.

        Good win for the Spurs last night! And the Cavs seem to be back in playoff mode, or is it that Toronto just sucks?
        Yeah, maybe he is not like he was once was. But still good. I know in the past I saw things from CP3 no one else could do. No one.

        Kind of like Parker. Parker will never be considered one of the top guards of all time but some of his moves to the basket and the way he would pivot and then reverse direction on the pivot ...well one else could do it quite like him. And I think at his peak 4 or 5 years ago his short range jumper was about as good as anyone in history

        He will be sorely missed but Patty should do fine. Huge game tomorrow. Can't wait
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