Am I in a freeakin' Monty Python Movie or what?

by lisag
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For those of you who love the scene in Holy Grail where the King asks the guards to keep the Prince in the tower, you'll love this transcript between me and my offshore programmer.

For those of you who have no idea what I am talking about, I have included the scene below the transcript for your reading pleasure.

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Transcript

[1:53:28 AM] Lisa_G: My client has asked that we change some of the 'required fields' logic in the Names table.
[1:53:38 AM] Andrew: ys why not
[1:53:43 AM] Andrew: we can do that
[1:53:58 AM] Lisa_G: URL is no longer required and Plain text is no longer required
[1:54:07 AM] Andrew: ok
[1:54:22 AM] Andrew: so I take those fields off the page?
[1:54:48 AM] Lisa_G: No. Leave the fields but remove the validation check for required and the red * in the label
[1:56:01 AM] Andrew: should i delete all the red * in the label ?
[1:56:03 AM] Lisa_G: Yes, because they are no longer required, right?
[1:56:07 AM] Andrew: what is no longer required, the fields or the red * ?
[1:56:11 AM] Lisa_G: Ok. URL and Plain Text are no longer required fields. So, the user can fill them out if they want or leave them blank. We don't care. Remove the JavaScript validation that checks to see if those fields are filled but leave the fields on the form. And then remove the red * from ONLY those fields. OK?
[1:57:34 AM] Andrew: Lisa ?
[1:59:10 AM] Lisa_G: yes?
[1:59:50 AM] Andrew: should i also delete all the red * in the label ?
[2:00:35 AM] Lisa_G: Look up at my previous message
[2:01:41 AM] Andrew: ohh
[2:01:53 AM] Andrew: ok.. i got it
[2:01:59 AM] Andrew: let's start then. I will remove the data validations from all the required fields.
[2:02:01 AM] Lisa_G: No Andrew. Just these fields: URL and Plain text.
[2:02:04 AM] Andrew: ok as u wish and the red stars, remove them for those fields as well?
[2:02:14 AM] Lisa_G: Good idea. Remove those as well.
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Monty Python Scene


King of Swamp Castle: Guards, make sure the prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get him.
Guard #1: Not to leave the room... even if you come and get him.
Guard #2: [hiccups]
King of Swamp Castle: No, no. *Until* I come and get him.
Guard #1: Until you come and get him, we're not to enter the room.
King of Swamp Castle: No, no, no. You *stay* in the room, and make sure *he* doesn't leave.
Guard #1: And you'll come and get him.
Guard #2: [hiccups]
King of Swamp Castle: Right.
Guard #1: We don't need to do anything, apart from just stop him entering the room.
King of Swamp Castle: No, no. *Leaving* the room.
Guard #1: Leaving the room, yes.
King of Swamp Castle: All right?
Guard #2: [hiccups]
Guard #1: Right. Oh, if, if, if, uh, if, if, uh, if, if, if, we... oh, if... oh...
King of Swamp Castle: Look, it's quite simple. You just stay here, and make sure he doesn't leave the room. All right?
Guard #2: [hiccups]
Guard #1: Oh, I remember, uh, can he leave the room with us?
King of Swamp Castle: No, no, no, no, you just keep him in here, and make sure...
Guard #1: Oh yeah, we'll keep him in here, obviously, but if he had to leave, and we were with him...
King of Swamp Castle: No, just keep him in here...
Guard #1: Until you, or anyone else...
King of Swamp Castle: No, not anyone else. Just me.
Guard #1: Just you.
Guard #2: [hiccups]
King of Swamp Castle: Get back.
Guard #1: Get back.
King of Swamp Castle: All right?
Guard #1: Right, we'll stay here until you get back.
King of Swamp Castle: And make sure he doesn't leave.
Guard #1: What?
King of Swamp Castle: Make sure he doesn't leave.
Guard #1: The prince?
King of Swamp Castle: Yes, make sure he doesn't leave.
Guard #1: Oh, yes, of course.
[Points at Guard #2]
Guard #1: I thought you meant him. You know, it seemed a bit daft me I were to guard him when he's a guard.
King of Swamp Castle: Is that clear?
Guard #2: [hiccups]
Guard #1: Oh, quite clear. No problems.
King of Swamp Castle: Right.
[King of Swamp Castle turns to leave the room, both guards follow him]
King of Swamp Castle: Where are you going?
Guard #1: We're coming with you.
King of Swamp Castle: No, no, no. I want you to stay here and make sure *he* doesn't leave.
Guard #1: Oh, I see. Right.
  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    Here's another...


    (I love MP)


    KJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Copen
    Lisa, Wow, you really had an experience like that? I could have made the change in the time it took me to read that post! Incredible.

    KJ - thanks for that. I haven't seen that clip since I was a kid. Loved it then, still love it now!

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author lisag
      Originally Posted by Lisa Copen View Post

      Lisa, Wow, you really had an experience like that? I could have made the change in the time it took me to read that post! Incredible.

      KJ - thanks for that. I haven't seen that clip since I was a kid. Loved it then, still love it now!

      Lisa
      I posted that on 09-04-2009 at 02:32 AM, in near real-time. I was soooo frustrated. Then The Monty Python skit popped into my head and I started laughing and figured I had to share it with someone. And since no one in my household was awake at that time, I shared it here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barbara Eyre
      I feel for you - I go through that all the time! LOL
      And people wonder why I have a near-full head of gray hairs LOL :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Join the club!!!!

    And off shore non-native speakers just make it WORSE!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author intoAM.com
    This could happen even with people in your same country. But it just gets worse if it's an offshore (i.e. non-native English speaker) worker you're hiring as English is not his or her native language.

    The MP scene you outlined is hilarious. Too bad I can't laugh when I'm at that kind of situations
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  • Profile picture of the author lisag
    Oh, it has grown so much worse since then. I have kept the entire discussion thread that has been going on for 14 days. I am seriously considering editing it and posting it as a comedy skit
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  • Profile picture of the author pjlyons1uk
    It's a classic like the two ronnies with the four candles sketch... If I knew how to post youtube video I'm sure it would be appreciated...

    Those that know it will chuckle at the thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author kevinpotts
      Lisa, Oh my goodness. As a Brit from the land where Monty Python is held with such hi esteem....I just laughed my socks off...You on the other hand at the time, must have been pulling out your hair.

      Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    This is how I feel a lot of the time.

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    "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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    • Profile picture of the author ezza17
      Hey Lisa

      Perhaps it might be easier if you used Google Translate to change what you wrote into his native language and sent that to him???

      It's not perfect, but it's not terrible either... :-)

      You never know - it might solve your problem.

      :-)


      Eran
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      • Profile picture of the author intoAM.com
        Originally Posted by ezza17 View Post

        Hey Lisa

        Perhaps it might be easier if you used Google Translate to change what you wrote into his native language and sent that to him???

        It's not perfect, but it's not terrible either... :-)

        You never know - it might solve your problem.

        :-)


        Eran
        Erm... from my experience it does not usually work out well.

        I am in tens of business at the moment and one of them is domaining.
        A friend of mine invests tens of thousands a year in domains (he's a relatively small investor) and, though he's very good at what he does (and domaining is not his main business) he is not a very good English speaker.

        He used to use Google Translate to translate some of his replies to English so that he can reply his prospective buyers.

        Last month he refused an offer translating his reply with this method and the buyer totally misunderstood what my friend originally wanted to tell him. He felt insulted and has not replied him to date.

        So I really think you should try to avoid this method.
        If you want to translate something please use a real human translator or at least get a paid software translator (those tend to give much better results from my experience).

        I am not sure about how good does my English sound - though most of the times I don't read twice what I'm submitting to a forum, and maybe I should. Can anyone enlighten me on this? I would greatly appreciate it.

        Just out of curiosity.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisag
    That might be fun. I'd have to hold my breath wondering what it translated to :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    NEVER use a translation program unless YOU know the language most are GARBAGE!
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    As much as has been said about how "great" cheap, foreign outsourcing is, I am in a similar
    situation now.
    I dropped a very good $10 p/h team for a $4 p/h team.
    Bad move. I'm going back to the $10 p/h team.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimD
    OMG, you and I are leading parallel lives!
    Thanks so much for that.
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