Installing Windows 7 onto a new HDD, (The good, bad and Ugly).

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Hi, finally after months of delays and dealing with greedy companies, l may have finally found a good computer to upgrade to.

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NBKTOS5553I/Toshiba-Sattlite-L55-C5392-Deluxe-Consumer-Noteboo


I am not buying from this one, just showing the laptop.

I obviously want to upgrade to 16 gigs, of ram, (eventhough this has 8, and no mention of being able to expand it) but at worst l could replace 8 with 16?

So yeah, buy this replace the HDD with w10 with a new HDD with a out of the box w7, and install it!
I have been trying to buy a new Laptop with w7 installed, but it is a nightmare, in AU, to find one, that isn't through the roof with costs. Basically it would cost me almost 2k, for one option, and $1,700 for another.
I need w7, as updates can be blocked, and as l have learned, w10 updates are non-blockable, And Microsoft recently installed an update, (well, l pressed the button) that cripped adobe suite). cs2 adobe suite is 2,5k so with a slow i3, and little memory left, updating is the best option.
And that last update was inpossible to remove, so yeah, installing w7 seems to be the cheapest way forward.

So yeah, good, bad, etc, experiences anyone has had installing w7 on a new HDD, on a laptop that used to have w10?

I know the warranty is toast, but compared with the only other two options in AU, 1,7 or 1,9k for a laptop with w7, it is cheaper to risk it, and on the slim change l will have a major issue, l could still afford a few hundred in repairs, and still end up saving money.

Toshiba is pretty reliable so small risk at best.

So is it as easy as buying a new HDD, and installing it, with w7 installation disk on standby, with activation key, and going through the steps on youtube, or is it trickier than that?

I suppose that l will need to find drivers for the motherboard or something like that, and maybe install w7 service pack from somewhere, since l won't be installing any updates, (unless it already comes with it).

But as far as l can tell that might be the worst of it?

Anyway appreciate any feedback.


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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Damn you guys are getting ripped price wise...
    Anyway, if you have a Win installation disk it should be easy upgrading to a new HDD. Problems start when you have to clone disks etc.
    And yes use Youtube, there are probably dozens of vids detailing the process....

    PS! I would suggest upgrading to a solid state drive SSD, their prices have come down considerably here in the US...

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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    1. This post belongs in off topic. It has nothing to do with internet marketing

    2. You don't need a new hard drive. You can just reformat the old one, wiping Windows 10 off of it. You can also dual boot Windows 7 and Windows 10 if you want both (though personally I think this is a waste of hard drive space). That said, if you don't have another copy of Windows 10 and want to be able to use it in the future, I suppose you could get a new hard drive and use the old one as a Windows 10 backup. It would probably be cheaper just to download Windows 10 later if you want it (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO) -- just be sure you save your product key so you can install it.

      Of course, even if you don't need a new hard drive, you may want a new one -- salegurus is right that SSDs are really nice and it might be cheaper to buy a second disk rather than getting one preinstalled when you buy this laptop. Just make sure before you buy a new disk that the old one isn't soldered in. Macs, for instance, solder everything in: batteries, RAM chips, hard drives, etc., making it difficult, dangerous or expensive to upgrade anything.

    3. This shouldn't void your warranty. Obviously you should read the fine print, but if you keep the original hard drive, wipe it and install a clean version of Windows 7, Toshiba won't offer you any software support, but they should still honor their warranty where their hardware is concerned. Even if you do get a new hard drive, they should honor their warranty -- though obviously not on the hard drive since it probably won't be theirs. (That said if the hard drive is soldered in, you may well void your entire warranty if you try to swap it out.)

    4. Make sure that you can download Windows 7 drivers for this laptop. I don't see it being a big problem given how many companies still run Windows 7, but it would suck if your video resolution didn't work right or you had no sound or your wi-fi was incompatible or... well, you get the idea. A quick hop over to Toshiba's support page could save you a lot of hassle.

    5. Do continue to install updates. I know they're a pain, I know that things sometimes break. But they actually are important.

    6. This whole process is actually rather easy, if very time consuming. And there's no reason to be intimidated. If you screw something up, you can just reformat and try again. I've not seen any of the videos on YouTube, but I'm sure there are many out there that can guide you through what you need to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

    Damn you guys are getting ripped price wise...
    Anyway, if you have a Win installation disk it should be easy upgrading to a new HDD. Problems start when you have to clone disks etc.
    And yes use Youtube, there are probably dozens of vids detailing the process....

    PS! I would suggest upgrading to a solid state drive SSD, their prices have come down considerably here in the US...

    Cheers

    Yes, l know, the only supplier in AU, vic, finally after a month of so, (ships take a while) got one in, and it costed $1.650 with 500 gig of memory. A few years, and l would reach that limit, but if l spend another $250 to install a 250gig SSD then l could get around it. And spend a thousand more than my current option.


    That company is screwing its customer base for every cent, since it is the only supplier that offers a w7 laptop, (not including iffy, internet ones, thankfully l found a decent one).


    Because the decent quality ones in AU, are $400+ and a 1 tb HDD is $100.


    I know that it is cool to have Photoshop load in a second or two instead of 10, but unfortunately it still relies on the chip speed and ram for the actual using it.

    Originally Posted by Connann View Post

    Why not buyin an SSD?


    Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

    1. This post belongs in off topic. It has nothing to do with internet marketing

    2. You don't need a new hard drive. You can just reformat the old one, wiping Windows 10 off of it. You can also dual boot Windows 7 and Windows 10 if you want both (though personally I think this is a waste of hard drive space). That said, if you don't have another copy of Windows 10 and want to be able to use it in the future, I suppose you could get a new hard drive and use the old one as a Windows 10 backup. It would probably be cheaper just to download Windows 10 later if you want it (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO) -- just be sure you save your product key so you can install it.

      Of course, even if you don't need a new hard drive, you may want a new one -- salegurus is right that SSDs are really nice and it might be cheaper to buy a second disk rather than getting one preinstalled when you buy this laptop. Just make sure before you buy a new disk that the old one isn't soldered in. Macs, for instance, solder everything in: batteries, RAM chips, hard drives, etc., making it difficult, dangerous or expensive to upgrade anything.

    3. This shouldn't void your warranty. Obviously you should read the fine print, but if you keep the original hard drive, wipe it and install a clean version of Windows 7, Toshiba won't offer you any software support, but they should still honor their warranty where their hardware is concerned. Even if you do get a new hard drive, they should honor their warranty -- though obviously not on the hard drive since it probably won't be theirs. (That said if the hard drive is soldered in, you may well void your entire warranty if you try to swap it out.)

    4. Make sure that you can download Windows 7 drivers for this laptop. I don't see it being a big problem given how many companies still run Windows 7, but it would suck if your video resolution didn't work right or you had no sound or your wi-fi was incompatible or... well, you get the idea. A quick hop over to Toshiba's support page could save you a lot of hassle.

    5. Do continue to install updates. I know they're a pain, I know that things sometimes break. But they actually are important.

    6. This whole process is actually rather easy, if very time consuming. And there's no reason to be intimidated. If you screw something up, you can just reformat and try again. I've not seen any of the videos on YouTube, but I'm sure there are many out there that can guide you through what you need to do.

    Thanks Kilgore, SSD, are probably too expensive, so a HDD is probably the best choice.


    And according to tons of TY videos the HDD is easy to access and remove.


    As for wiping the HDD, l wish, but l have talked to sales people here and there as well as online forums, and installing w7 over 10 only black screens the Laptop or if it worked then w10 would creep back in, (that has also happened).


    Wiping the HDD completely, l have looked into using magnets to wipe it, but unless they are high frequency, it won't work and if it does destroys the HDD in the process.


    So buying a new one, is probably the way to go, and keeping the w10 one, as a doorst...ahem, as a replacement if l need something repaired.


    Good to get some reassurance that it is easy, looks easy online.


    And as for updates, groan, no, XP hasn't had any important updates for 2 years, and my PC with XP is still going as strong as ever.


    My current one, after 4 months of reversing Microsfots adobe suit messer update, finally got through and after that,.....it could not be removed, even tried the registry, and it could not be removed from there, so yeah, Microsoft is evil.


    But in a nice way l am sure!
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      As for wiping the HDD, l wish, but l have talked to sales people here and there as well as online forums, and installing w7 over 10 only black screens the Laptop or if it worked then w10 would creep back in, (that has also happened).

      Wiping the HDD completely, l have looked into using magnets to wipe it, but unless they are high frequency, it won't work and if it does destroys the HDD in the process.
      When I say "wiping" I'm talking about reformatting it. This process completely removes Windows 10 (and any other data you may have on this disk), so there's no risk of black screens or Windows 10 creeping back in. It's essentially the same thing as getting a brand new empty hard drive. Except you already own it and it's already installed. See for instance: https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-clea...dows-7-2624917

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      And as for updates, groan, no, XP hasn't had any important updates for 2 years, and my PC with XP is still going as strong as ever.
      This scares me. I hope this computer isn't connected to the internet...
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    If you'r prepared to pay up to 2000 dollars for a laptop then you could buy a cheap one and get the new version of the Adobe stuff with the rest of the money. Problem solved for now and in the future. It should still run it efficiently enough.

    The other observation is why are you doing graphic design on a laptop anyway. The wife has been a professional graphic designer for years and runs a full size computer with a big screen. Only now and again as a last resort would she use her 17 inch laptop.

    Or are you a: "I want to work from coffee shops fanatic"?

    I looked at the link, what a rip off, integrated graphics, only a 15.6 inch screen and only 1366*768 resolution (are you serious). Sort of several years ago specification in some departments.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

    When I say "wiping" I'm talking about reformatting it. This process completely removes Windows 10 (and any other data you may have on this disk), so there's no risk of black screens or Windows 10 creeping back in. It's essentially the same thing as getting a brand new empty hard drive. Except you already own it and it's already installed. See for instance: https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-clea...dows-7-2624917



    This scares me. I hope this computer isn't connected to the internet...



    Ok, interesting, l will have to look into that, might save me $100!


    Yep, my XP one is connected and been connected for year, but l don't do much surfing on it.


    Most Microsoft updates, are a crock anyway, l mean endless Microsoft Word updates, how many times has MSW got a virus. l have used computers online for almost 10 years and cannot remember getting one there.


    I have done a lot of research into that one as well, and usually IE gets a virus, but not the OS. Last virus l got was in the IE browser; impossible to remove, but a few months later Norton got rid of it.



    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    If you'r prepared to pay up to 2000 dollars for a laptop then you could buy a cheap one and get the new version of the Adobe stuff with the rest of the money. Problem solved for now and in the future. It should still run it efficiently enough.

    The other observation is why are you doing graphic design on a laptop anyway. The wife has been a professional graphic designer for years and runs a full size computer with a big screen. Only now and again as a last resort would she use her 17 inch laptop.

    Or are you a: "I want to work from coffee shops fanatic"?

    I looked at the link, what a rip off, integrated graphics, only a 15.6 inch screen and only 1366*768 resolution (are you serious). Sort of several years ago specification in some departments.
    True, but l am not rolling in cash, (at least not yet) so the cheapest option is the best for me.


    Sure, l buy a Laptop with w10, and eventually the so called critical update will come, and cripple adobe suite again. And given time, be impossible to stop.


    When that happens, l could spend $1000 buy cs2 again, and put up with illustrator being dodgy.


    Or go for the cloud version, and spend $300 a year, for something l can use for free now. Unless l want indesign and illustrator to work properly then it is $600 a year, groan.


    Or instead spend around a thousand, and use adobe suite for the foreseeable future!


    Worst case scenario, the w7 OS, collapses, but l always backup everything so a mild inconvenience at worst. But from my research XP and 7 are extremely well build and don't need endless updates. Updates are just a way Microsoft can have some control over herding the masses onto w10.




    And yes lanfear, l do want to be mobile, seriously looked into a 17,3" screen one, but apart from a slight advantage when using cs2, it is hard to lug that down to the shopping centre.


    Don't have air con, at home so have to go to the local shopping ctr/library during this time of the year, and in winter, since l cannot afford heating in my room, pretty much have to work on the dining table, so hence the laptop.


    Yes 15,6" has served me well, (my current i3 one has it) so no qualms there, and l know 1366,.....but l ain't going to buy Dell, for a high res one, as it isn't very reliable.


    Although Toshiba does do one with 4k, res, on Amazon,


    I know that Toshiba screen are not the best available, but apart from some minor issues with video playback, it doesn't really bother me, neither does the screen res,.


    But l will compare screens to see if there is any noticeable difference.


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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    A couple of years ago I got a new HP Gen 4 i5 with 4 gigs of ram. (17.3") laptop. The cost was $399.99. Still going strong. The casing was strong plastic but I don't lug it around much.Not that it would be a problem.

    Here is a new higher spec version now. Check the price. 1600*900 resolution screen.

    https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-1...17+inch+laptop

    You really thank that Adobe's latest stuff would suddenly become incompatible with Windows 10, (the last version they will ever do) highly unlikely.

    How about this one, had refurbs before, they were indistinguishable from new. $399.99

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRJFFFW...=A5OS1RR2Q6H5H

    Another one from Dell, great specs. $609.00

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KH9YC34?psc=1

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      A couple of years ago I got a new HP Gen 4 i5 with 4 gigs of ram. (17.3") laptop. The cost was $399.99. Still going strong. The casing was strong plastic but I don't lug it around much.Not that it would be a problem.

      Here is a new higher spec version now. Check the price. 1600*900 resolution screen.

      https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-1...17+inch+laptop

      You really thank that Adobe's latest stuff would suddenly become incompatible with Windows 10, (the last version they will ever do) highly unlikely.

      How about this one, had refurbs before, they were indistinguishable from new. $399.99

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRJFFFW...=A5OS1RR2Q6H5H

      Another one from Dell, great specs. $609.00

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KH9YC34?psc=1

      (non affiliate links)

      Yes, l am sure that Del and HP have served you well, but l want a laptop that lasts me for as long as possible, (6-7 years).


      And l am also sure that a 17' is at bargain prices, usually because for most applications the screen is overkill, and they can have screen hinge issues, as well as the fact that most laptop bags are too small for them.


      I mainly do graphics work, and apart from a small advantage there, l couldn't gain much more from it, over a 15" one.




      And l know that all versions of Adobe suite, apart from cs2 suite are not affected by the update.


      So sure l could get cs3, still compatible with cs2 PSD files, and still a good product, and use it with w10.


      But that means, cs3 for $1000, and dodgy illustrator cs2. Or p*** away $300 and put up with a dodgy illustrator cs2. Or p*** away $600 a year for the lot. Or put up with my current laptop with slow speeds and 30gigs left, and spend 2.5k, lol, no, Adobe ain't going to put my head in their guillotine, because they cannot get their heads out of the trough.


      And Toshibas, screen res, is dependant on the graphics card as all laptops are. Most have a 2 gig GC, but the Toshiba ones, have a GC as part of the chip.


      So the faster the chip the better the screen res.


      I am getting a quad core i7, so that shouldn't be a concern.


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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Laptop bags, you just buy one that accommodates a 17.3 inch screen size. (I have one)
    I have a laptop from 2008, no problem with the hinge.

    So lets see a link to this i7 you are buying?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Laptop bags, you just buy one that accommodates a 17.3 inch screen size. (I have one)
      I have a laptop from 2008, no problem with the hinge.

      So lets see a link to this i7 you are buying?
      Ok, l was going to buy this one, but since it has been two days with no replys to my questions, and the screen image is just the one shown, it seems like an iffy one.


      https://www.dicksmith.com.au/da/buy/...seaumyshopping


      Probably have a glossy finish, so l will have lights hitting me when trying to work under one, and, (from what l have found) 8 gigs is the limit.


      Hyperthreading works only on some things with cs2 and not others, although cs5 can take advantage of it more.


      But the more ram, and faster chip the better.




      Spent the last two months trying to figure all of this s***t out, and am getting pretty tired all up. Also getting tired of my slow Laptop, and popup virus from hell, that is starting to get over the multiple popup blockers installed.


      I will probably go back to Amazon US, (AU only has books) and buy the most powerful one from them. They have professional screen images and l am sure that they answer customers questions.


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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Ok, l was going to buy this one, but since it has been two days with no replys to my questions, and the screen image is just the one shown, it seems like an iffy one.


        https://www.dicksmith.com.au/da/buy/...seaumyshopping



        Shane, does it worry you at all that the vendor doesn't know how to spell the name of the computer?
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Ok, l was going to buy this one, but since it has been two days with no replys to my questions, and the screen image is just the one shown, it seems like an iffy one.


        https://www.dicksmith.com.au/da/buy/...seaumyshopping


        Probably have a glossy finish, so l will have lights hitting me when trying to work under one, and, (from what l have found) 8 gigs is the limit.


        Hyperthreading works only on some things with cs2 and not others, although cs5 can take advantage of it more.


        But the more ram, and faster chip the better.




        Spent the last two months trying to figure all of this s***t out, and am getting pretty tired all up. Also getting tired of my slow Laptop, and popup virus from hell, that is starting to get over the multiple popup blockers installed.


        I will probably go back to Amazon US, (AU only has books) and buy the most powerful one from them. They have professional screen images and l am sure that they answer customers questions.


        $948.73!!!!!!!!! for a 15.6 display...that thing??

        What a rip-off, And check this.

        Display
        15.6 1366 768
        HD TruBrite LED-backlit LCD
        Widescreen

        So what sort of graphic design do you do?, 8 bit block graphics?

        Dick Smith's been selling crap overpriced machines since the 8 bit eighties and he can't spell Satellite (Sattlite) either, twice as Dan says. Honestly?

        Is it that you can't get Amazon over there or something. (it looks like you don't, just Kindle books) Send me the money and I will mail you one. Less money than that. I notice shipping's extra too.

        To be fair, the rest of the specs aren't too bad except it's only a 6th generation i7. Intel are on their 7th now.

        I strongly suspect you are paying over the odds for stuff in Australia.

        Perhaps you should try this...

        https://www.myus.com/au/
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Ok, l was going to buy this one, but since it has been two days with no replys to my questions, and the screen image is just the one shown, it seems like an iffy one.


        https://www.dicksmith.com.au/da/buy/...seaumyshopping[/IMG]
        Christ almighty, no wonder you didn't get a response - Dick Smith's went into "administration" in January last year. All their stores were closed down. They have ceased to be. They are an ex-company.

        https://www.accc.gov.au/update/consu...smith-holdings

        It was BIG news at the time. How could you possibly be unaware?
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Christ almighty, no wonder you didn't get a response - Dick Smith's went into "administration" in January last year. All their stores were closed down. They have ceased to be. They are an ex-company.

          https://www.accc.gov.au/update/consu...smith-holdings

          It was BIG news at the time. How could you possibly be unaware?
          I know all that, but they have moved online, well, online only. And unfortunately selling Laptops with issues, but most laptops on Amazon and Ebay have issues.

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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          It was BIG news at the time. How could you possibly be unaware?
          Surely, you jest.

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    Shane, does it worry you at all that the vendor doesn't know how to spell the name of the computer?

    Yes!

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    $948.73!!!!!!!!! for a 15.6 display...that thing??

    What a rip-off, And check this.

    Display
    15.6 1366 768
    HD TruBrite LED-backlit LCD
    Widescreen

    So what sort of graphic design do you do?, 8 bit block graphics?

    Dick Smith's been selling crap overpriced machines since the 8 bit eighties and he can't spell Satellite (Sattlite) either, twice as Dan says. Honestly?

    Is it that you can't get Amazon over there or something. (it looks like you don't, just Kindle books) Send me the money and I will mail you one. Less money than that. I notice shipping's extra too.

    To be fair, the rest of the specs aren't too bad except it's only a 6th generation i7. Intel are on their 7th now.

    I strongly suspect you are paying over the odds for stuff in Australia.

    Perhaps you should try this...

    https://www.myus.com/au/



    Lol, nooo, and l agree it is a ripoff, but looked pretty good at that time. And they did get back to me, and said that it had a matt screen, (puke) and could be expanded up to 32 gigs. And as Amazon has shown me, it also has a shiny surface, so l would have a nice light reflected back in my eyes when working, (puke again).


    So, that one is off the list.


    The Amazon one, (that l am waiting for answers for) is $800 US, which sounds better than $950 AU, but when the conversions are done it is ($800US = $1078AU).


    Still cheaper than $1900 or $1700 only other two options, in AU. I suppose that l also have the $1250 ASUS from GB Hi Fi, but to be frank it looks ugly.


    https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-...tebook/980918/


    I will have to get w7 pro from overseas, since AU doesn't sell them anymore.


    https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Satel...tandard+screen


    This is the second most powerful Toshiba they have the most powerful doesn't have a DVD drive, so that one is out.


    This seems to be duel core, but as l said before cs2 doesn't take advantage of hyper threading that much, so as long as the chip and ram are high, it should still be fast.


    Nice looking Laptop as well, if l am going to be chained to this for the foreseeable future it would be nice to have an attractive one.


    And not too many horror stories in the feedback, needing an extra cable for the Ethernet is the only issue, but l use Wi Fi so...




    Hopefully get some good feedback in a day or so, and grab it, then collapse in a heap!


    PS thanks for the packmule offer Lanfear, but when the currency is converted, not much of a change, unless Amazon are overcharging?


    PPS if they are a bit, at this point l don't really care, l just want the f***thing, and no more stress.

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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    So basically, if I have this correct, you wish to downgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 7?


    Biggest thing I'd be worried about is not finding drivers for your hardware. It could be something is innocent as a mouse driver, or it could be something as critical as a chipset bridge (meaning half of your computer could be rendered inoperable). On laptops hardware is proprietary, meaning you can't just download a chipset driver from intel or amd and think it will do the job (it may not).


    You need to talk to Toshiba, and see if they can find Win7 drivers for your laptop.


    As to your other question, on your first laptop according to crucial, the max memory the laptop in question can hold is 16bg.


    http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compat...lite-l55-c5392
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      So basically, if I have this correct, you wish to downgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 7?


      Biggest thing I'd be worried about is not finding drivers for your hardware. It could be something is innocent as a mouse driver, or it could be something as critical as a chipset bridge (meaning half of your computer could be rendered inoperable). On laptops hardware is proprietary, meaning you can't just download a chipset driver from intel or amd and think it will do the job (it may not).


      You need to talk to Toshiba, and see if they can find Win7 drivers for your laptop.
      Gulp, glad l found one with W7 Pro already installed!

      Should be able to pick it up in a few days time, and it pretty much has everything, except it comes with a matt screen, but thankfully that is easy to replace if needed.

      I will give the matt screen a try, since current models, do have pretty good ones, and it is supposed to reduce eye strain, but time will tell.

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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I'd like to offer an idea BUT I am not sure if it is possible on laptops or just desktops.
    I do own one of each.
    Anyway, when I wanted to upgrade my pc that was running XP, I wanted win 7.
    At the time, they were mainly selling win 8.1 which I had heard horror stories about.

    I spent time online researching options and found a large company in Clayton where you choose what you want in the "box" and you get it all.

    For example, I wanted Win 7. I also wanted MS Office 2013.
    So they installed both for me and, yes, I do also have the discs.

    I don't know if companies would offer the same service where you buy your laptop but choose what OS and other things you want included.

    Let me know if you want me to try and find that company for you.
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      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I'd like to offer an idea BUT I am not sure if it is possible on laptops or just desktops.
      I do own one of each.
      Anyway, when I wanted to upgrade my pc that was running XP, I wanted win 7.
      At the time, they were mainly selling win 8.1 which I had heard horror stories about.

      I spent time online researching options and found a large company in Clayton where you choose what you want in the "box" and you get it all.

      For example, I wanted Win 7. I also wanted MS Office 2013.
      So they installed both for me and, yes, I do also have the discs.

      I don't know if companies would offer the same service where you buy your laptop but choose what OS and other things you want included.

      Let me know if you want me to try and find that company for you.
      No, that is ok, Laurence, W7 Pro is already on the one l am getting. I would have preferred the original disk, but an image on my external hard drive will be enough.

      W10 is optional or comes on a disk, might make a good ashtray for someone, lol.

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