More than 140,000 families cut off from childcare payments for not vaccinating their kids

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More than 140,000 families cut off from childcare payments for not vaccinating their kids - 9news.com.au



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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Good for Australia.

    You want govt money - you stick to the requirements. Totally new concept.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    That just cost them up to $2,141,895,000, not including the cost of the shots and medical staff which is most likely a lot more money If their health care cost are out of control like the US.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      That just cost them up to $2,141,895,000, not including the cost of the shots and medical staff which is most likely a lot more money If their health care cost are out of control like the US.
      No idea where you got that figure from, however no matter what it actually is, it'll be a fraction of the cost of curing the diseases.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        No idea where you got that figure from...

        I got the number from OPs article/link.

        I know it says cut off but it's a safe bet they'll be back on payroll the next time the ransom shots come around.

        Assuming the story is real.

        Parents of an estimated 142,793 children under the age of five were cut off from up to $15,000 in taxpayer-funded child care payments under the policy.



        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        ...it'll be a fraction of the cost of curing the diseases.
        You don't know If that would even be an issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I got the number from OPs article/link..
          However you claimed that this is a cost. It's no such thing. It means there will be a savings amount of that figure. The government saves that much by not paying these families. Your mistake is compounded by adding the cost of the vaccinations to the savings figure as if both of them are costs. The amount you quoted would actually be reduced by the cost of the vaccinations and ancillary costs.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            However you claimed that this is a cost. It's no such thing. It means there will be a savings amount of that figure. The government saves that much by not paying these families. Your mistake is compounded by adding the cost of the vaccinations to the savings figure as if both of them are costs.


            You think it's a savings, a savings for who? Taxpayers still paid the money regardless.

            Your mistake that curing a disease would be more expensive is 50/50 guessing. It might happen, it might not.




            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            The amount you quoted would actually be reduced by the cost of the vaccinations and ancillary costs.
            That doesn't make any sense.

            If people don't get a shot or the money Gov is sitting on the taxpayer money.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You think it's a savings, a savings for who? Taxpayers still paid the money regardless.

              No they don't. The (as Frank calls them) morons don't get a childcare benefit. This is a saving. There is no cost. The $2b odd you quoted is money the government isn't going to pay to these arsehats.

              Your mistake that curing a disease would be more expensive is 50/50 guessing. It might happen, it might not.

              An ounce of prevention is worth at least a pound of cure.

              That doesn't make any sense.

              The cost of administering the shots isn't going to be anywhere near $2billion.

              If people don't get a shot or the money Gov is sitting on the taxpayer money.
              If people don't get a shot, the government keeps the money. If they do get a shot, the government pays for the shot and the parents receive their benefit(s).

              It seems quite clear to me. Is anyone else having difficulties wrapping their heads around this?
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post


              If people don't get a shot or the money Gov is sitting on the taxpayer money.
              I'm about ready to take a shot of JD after your drivel and nonsense in this Thread
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  • Profile picture of the author PrincePatridge
    I wonder why parents refuse to vaccinate their kids even after government support. Or should I say they don't know the importance of vaccination.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by PrincePatridge View Post

      I wonder why parents refuse to vaccinate their kids even after government support. Or should I say they don't know the importance of vaccination.
      It's called fear, ignorance, being obstinate and a knee-jerk reaction to modern science and so-called government intrusion into one's life.

      Did I mention selfishness and stupidity?

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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        It's called fear, ignorance, being obstinate and a knee-jerk reaction to modern science and so-called government intrusion into one's life.

        Did I mention selfishness and stupidity?

        Frank


        Frank, I didn't want to be the one to tell you but your shot was a placebo.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Frank, I didn't want to be the one to tell you but your shot was a placebo.
          This is actually a matter of "do as I say, not as I do." Personally, I have eschewed all vaccinations. Why do you think I'm so friggin' rabid?

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Chapple
    Why is the Aus government picking on one particular group of people? Surely that must be constitutionally wrong, but the way most western governments are eroding people liberties they don't give a damn about people just peoples money which governments think they own anyway.
    Anyway just having a rant hardly WF stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Gary Chapple View Post

      Why is the Aus government picking on one particular group of people? Surely that must be constitutionally wrong, but the way most western governments are eroding people liberties they don't give a damn about people just peoples money which governments think they own anyway.
      Anyway just having a rant hardly WF stuff.
      It is one particular group of people. They are referred to as morons, endangering the entire country. They should be jailed,

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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    These appear to be parents who do not really care about taking proper care of their kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why is the Aus government picking on one particular group of people?
    Quite simple - there are vaccinations which protect children from diseases....if parents don't vaccinate THEIR children - they endanger other people if their children go to day care or school.

    Pretty simple, really. Often your "rights" end where the "rights" of others begin.
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    • Profile picture of the author DGabeNJ
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Quite simple - there are vaccinations which protect children from diseases....if parents don't vaccinate THEIR children - they endanger other people if their children go to day care or school.

      Pretty simple, really. Often your "rights" end where the "rights" of others begin.
      Couldn't agree more. Vaccination is as much ignorance as it is a willful lack of compassion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fras
    It is really sad thing......child care is very important.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I can't even express how sick and tired I am of reading political jabs in posts - just for the joy of getting a jab in.

    In the US, the schools require vaccinations BUT the states decide whether religious and 'philosophical' objections are allowed or not.

    In Australia - NO objections are acceptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author coachsol
    That's right, punish the unvaccinated children even further!!
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    So, one thing I am trying to establish, Are kids who have been though all these childhood diseases capable of infecting others after the virus has left there bodies. And does it matter anyway because the majority have been vaccinated and won't get it, provided they have their boosters every 10 to 20 years.

    Also, let's say that they don't pass it on, once having had them and clear of them all, they would be of no risk to anyone else and never require vaccinations or boosters. Should not the government resume the child benefits in that case?

    Just for the record, none of these illnesses talked about are curable, only preventable with vaccinations. There is nothing to give a child or adult to make it go away more quickly if you have it, only pain maskers to make you more comfortable. The disease runs it's course, usually about a week, like the flu, I know having had them all as a child.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    A lot of the vaccinations are not just for common illnesses that last a week.

    This is the vaccination schedule for kids in Australia --->

    Birth - Hepatitis B (hepB)a

    2 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
    Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
    Rotavirus

    4 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
    Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
    Rotavirus

    6 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
    Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
    Rotavirus b

    12 months - Haemophilus influenzae type b and meningococcal C (Hib-MenC)
    Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

    18 months - Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough)
    Measles, mumps, rubella and varicella (chickenpox) (MMRV)

    4 years - Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough) and inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (DTPa-IPV)

    10–15 years - Varicella (chickenpox) c
    Human papillomavirus (HPV) d
    Diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis (whooping cough) (dTpa)

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

      A lot of the vaccinations are not just for common illnesses that last a week.

      This is the vaccination schedule for kids in Australia --->

      Birth - Hepatitis B (hepB)a

      2 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
      Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
      Rotavirus

      4 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
      Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
      Rotavirus

      6 months - Hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b, inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (hepB-DTPa-Hib-IPV)
      Pneumococcal conjugate (13vPCV)
      Rotavirus b

      12 months - Haemophilus influenzae type b and meningococcal C (Hib-MenC)
      Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

      18 months - Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough)
      Measles, mumps, rubella and varicella (chickenpox) (MMRV)

      4 years - Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough) and inactivated poliomyelitis (polio) (DTPa-IPV)

      1015 years - Varicella (chickenpox) c
      Human papillomavirus (HPV) d
      Diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis (whooping cough) (dTpa)

      Best regards,

      Ozi
      Just for the record, we are talking specifically only about the following illnesses: Rubella, Chicken Pox, Mumps, Measles, German Measles, Whooping Cough (apologise if I forgot one) All which last for about a week, or did with me. The common childhood illnesses.

      If you vaccinate against any eventuality then your immune system will be of a weak disposition, never having been allowed to operate naturally. Take away the availability of the drugs for boosters, then you are in trouble.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Just for the record, we are talking specifically only about the following illnesses: Rubella, Chicken Pox, Mumps, Measles, German Measles, Whooping Cough (apologise if I forgot one) All which last for about a week, or did with me. The common childhood illnesses.

        If you vaccinate against any eventuality then your immune system will be of a weak disposition, never having been allowed to operate naturally. Take away the availability of the drugs for boosters, then you are in trouble.
        You can't pick and choose if you want to get the financial benefits in Australia.

        You have to follow the Govt prescribed vaccinations otherwise the financial benefits which are Family tax benefit Part A, Child care Benefit and a Child Care rebate are lost for all children up to and including 19 years of age.

        The amount of benefits vary depending on your income and how many children you have and also how many you have in a child care situation.

        It used to be you could conscientiously object but now this is not a valid reason and the govt uses an Immunisation register to monitor vaccinations.

        I have young children and they follow-up pretty quickly if your kid has missed a vaccination.

        They send a letter and pretty much tell you any family benefits you are entitled to will stop if the vacc is not registered.

        Best regards,

        Ozi
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

          You can't pick and choose if you want to get the financial benefits in Australia.

          You have to follow the Govt prescribed vaccinations otherwise the financial benefits which are Family tax benefit Part A, Child care Benefit and a Child Care rebate are lost for all children up to and including 19 years of age.

          The amount of benefits vary depending on your income and how many children you have and also how many you have in a child care situation.

          It used to be you could conscientiously object but now this is not a valid reason and the govt uses an Immunisation register to monitor vaccinations.

          I have young children and they follow-up pretty quickly if your kid has missed a vaccination.

          They send a letter and pretty much tell you any family benefits you are entitled to will stop if the vacc is not registered.

          Best regards,

          Ozi
          A severe regimen of enforcement so it seems. I wonder though if any parent has brought a case against the Nanny State Government asking for child benefits to resume after their kid has been through them, or some of them, and does not require a vaccination for the specific ones. Is it really one strike and you're out, that's it?

          And here again, less chance of the kids getting anything much since so many are vaccinated, so it's not spreading easily.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            I wonder though if any parent has brought a case against the Nanny State Government asking for child benefits to resume after their kid has been through them, or some of them, and does not require a vaccination for the specific ones.
            This is a stupid argument. The children who have contacted these diseases did not cure themselves. They required expensive treatment to enable them to stay alive. Vaccinations are a much cheaper option.

            How many children dying from preventable diseases do you consider to be a fair trade off to preserve your "freedoms"? How much suffering would you allow a child or grandchild of yours to endure for your "freedom"?
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              This is a stupid argument. The children who have contacted these diseases did not cure themselves. They required expensive treatment to enable them to stay alive. Vaccinations are a much cheaper option.

              How many children dying from preventable diseases do you consider to be a fair trade off to preserve your "freedoms"? How much suffering would you allow a child or grandchild of yours to endure for your "freedom"?
              The stupid argument is to say that the children who contracted Rubella, Chicken Pox, Mumps, Measles, German Measles and Whooping Cough (which is what I am referring too) needed any treatments. Let's be clear on this. There are no cures or treatments for these diseases. The kids get them, put up with them for a week, and they go away, never to return. Myself, my sister, mother & father (historically) and many of my friends have been through them all.

              Perhaps some creams and ointments to relieve itching and aspirin for feeling under the weather, just like you get a cold or flu, keep warm, drink fluids, that's it really.

              I remember them all pretty well. First hand experience verses speculation.

              I think you must be talking about some of the other diseases like Oziboomer listed. I'm not. Just the ones above.
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                The kids get them, put up with them for a week, and they go away, never to return.
                Complete bollocks.
                Measles is one of the most contagious diseases in the world and is a leading cause of vaccine-preventable death among children. https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/measles/
                And that's just measles.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  Complete bollocks.


                  And that's just measles.
                  What is complete bollocks? Your talking to someone who has had them, first hand. They were as severe as any typical outbreak of the disease. They lasted about a week.

                  So measles is Preventable through vaccination and boosters, not Curable, as I said.

                  "Measles is still common in many developing countries particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures."

                  Source: WHO | Measles

                  Exactly as I suspected, people in poverty, suffering from malnutrition and subsequently poor health, lacking anything but the most basic in sanitation and medical facilities are overwhelmingly the ones that succumb to it. Weak bodies means immune systems prone to just about anything carrying them off.

                  Cure poverty, malnutrition, improve sanitation, that will improve firstly, natural resistance to these diseases and improved sanitation to reduce the spreading.

                  Tackle the source and not knee jerking towards the quick fix every time
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Tackle the source and not knee jerking towards the quick fix every time
                    Exactly how long do you estimate it would take to "tackle the source"? How long do you estimate it will take to cure world poverty? Improve sanitation in poor countries?

                    If you think that can be done quicker than vaccinating at risk children then you are a "very special" person.
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                    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                      Exactly how long do you estimate it would take to "tackle the source"? How long do you estimate it will take to cure world poverty? Improve sanitation in poor countries?

                      If you think that can be done quicker than vaccinating at risk children then you are a "very special" person.
                      You could equally ask, where's the vaccinations for these poor countries?

                      You know me, I always look at the big and long term picture as opposed to the quick fix.

                      Call me an idealist if you like.

                      Anyway, we have already answered that question, just one generation if we do what we must do, cut the population down to save the planet, much more pressing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Just last week in here in Brisbane there have been about 56 cases of the both Mumps & Measles and they were about to show a television ad for the Anti Vaxers but got pulled due to the inaccuracies and total bullshit they were saying
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Yep, l had the German measles, not pretty and it lasted for about a week and a half.

    I guess that the gov, want to push this, to stop one person from getting it, spreading it to others and some kid does of it, (if that is possible)?

    Although ironically a few die or almost die of these vaccinations, but they tend to think that thousands being saved from whopping cough, and one dying from a vaccination for it justifies this action?

    Hard to say, but if the dose contained a lot of mercury, then l tend to stay on the ones who didn't vaccinate.

    Injecting a child with that s***t opens the door to further illnesses, so l would like to know if that is included in the AU one?


    But, yeah, mass media, considering their track record, no wonder the trust factor is low.

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Hard to say, but if the dose contained a lot of mercury, then l tend to stay on the ones who didn't vaccinate.
      The vaccines don't contain any mercury.

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