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Okay, since we're into this battle of the bands thing, how about ELP Vs ELO?

Only one letter difference...but the music is worlds apart.

ELP




ELO





I am so torn between these 2 groups, who are two of my all time
favorites.

Put me up against a wall with a gun to my head?

I'd have to say ELP because of their musicianship.
  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    It was one of those things with ELP, I was never into them. Their music
    didn't do a lot for me.

    But ELO? I was in my late teens and in the military when their stuff was
    all over the place. Lotta memories with them, and I loved their music. Kinda
    popish, yeah, so what.

    I bought a best of ELO CD several years ago and listen when I'm in the
    mood.
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  • Profile picture of the author solardave
    Lucky Man was about the only ELP song I cared for. I saw ELO and they were good live so I'd have to vote for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmderoeck
      No contest for me again, ELO.

      ELP is not my type of music. I do like a lot of ELO, Mr. Blue Sky, Telephone Man, Strange Magic - good stuff, takes me back to some very carefree days.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    It would be ELO for me. ELP always came over as a touch pretentious. However from that early 70's prog rock era I like Genesis particularly the early period when Peter Gabriel was the vocalist. When he left Phil Collins took over as vocalist.

    Look out for a new album coming out soon from Genesis. They have discovered a lost tape from 30 years ago which apparently has some classic new material, with Peter Gabriel on vocals, which they are about to release.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Electric Light Orchestra for me.
    Jeff Lynne was a hit making machine.

    But honestly? I think we are comparing apples to oranges here , as they were totally different types of music.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post


      But honestly? I think we are comparing apples to oranges here , as they were totally different types of music.
      Yes and no.

      Think about it Kim.

      ELP's music is very classically influenced and ELO used a lot of classical
      instruments in their arrangements, even borrowing bits of classical pieces
      for some of their tunes.

      Certainly no different from comparing the Beatles to the Stones.

      Nobody can say their sounds are similar, true?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Yes and no.

        Think about it Kim.

        ELP's music is very classically influenced and ELO used a lot of classical
        instruments in their arrangements, even borrowing bits of classical pieces
        for some of their tunes.

        Certainly no different from comparing the Beatles to the Stones.

        Nobody can say their sounds are similar, true?
        IMO, there's a big difference in comparing ELO and ELP to the Stones and Beatles.

        The Stones and Beatles were contemporaries of each other, and were part of the Brittish invasion. And these two bands have always been compared with each other. Most likely, in a big poll, these bands would rank 1 and 2 as the greatest rock bands of all time.

        Plus, the early Beatles and Stones, 1966 and before, actually did have similar sounds.

        ELO and ELP never came close the the popularity of the Stones or Beatles. ELO and ELP are just two random bands being compared because their initials are similar.

        I don't like ELO at all. There are a couple of ELP songs I do like, so I'll go with ELP. But neither has made it to my iPod.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    But ELO had a "sound". The Beatles and The Stones had a sound.
    I could tell you the name of the band on the majority of any of those groups.
    If someone played some ELP for me, I probably couldn't name who they were because to me they didn't have an identifiable "sound".
    As a matter of fact, I used to get ELP and King Crimson mixed up a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      But ELO had a "sound". The Beatles and The Stones had a sound.
      I could tell you the name of the band on the majority of any of those groups.
      If someone played some ELP for me, I probably couldn't name who they were because to me they didn't have an identifiable "sound".
      As a matter of fact, I used to get ELP and King Crimson mixed up a lot.
      There are many people who can't tell ELP from a hole in the wall, but that
      doesn't mean they didn't have a "sound". I could tell you any ELP song at
      the first 5 seconds of hearing it.

      Of course I'm also a big ELP fan, which is natural for anybody who is a big
      fan of a group. Doesn't mean just because we can't tell their sound
      doesn't mean they didn't have one.

      Yes, Greg Lake being the lead singer of both groups makes it a little tricky
      but King Crimson had that Mellotron sound that ELP didn't have because
      Keith Emerson's staple instruments were the Moog and Hammond organs.

      That's how you can tell the difference between the two.

      Subtle?

      To some, almost impossible to tell the difference. But then again, there
      are groups that I hear on the radio, have been around for years, and I
      still can't tell it's one of their songs when I hear it.

      Why?

      Just not into them.

      It's the same with classical piano.

      My mother could tell the difference between Arthur Rubenstein and
      Lazar Berman in a heartbeat.

      To me?

      Hell, I might as well have flipped a coin and guessed because I had no
      idea who was who.

      Didn't mean they both didn't have their own sound.

      Just not identifiable to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I was all about ELO when i was about 12 or so (back in the album days). They had awesome album covers. I miss album covers.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Same here Michael, I have to admit, I have been thinking abour scanning and posting some of mine. And we can't forget,that not only did good album covers have great/interesting art, they also have liner notes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I can remember when Molly Hatchett had the baddest album covers on the face of the earth

    Meatloaf also had some killer album covers.

    Personally i like albums. something about the imperfections of an album that just makes it sound better than cd
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Flirtin With Disaster:
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    And thats why your a better writer than I am Steve,I say:"because to me they didn't have an identifiable "sound"."
    and you say all this:
    "There are many people who can't tell ELP from a hole in the wall, but that
    doesn't mean they didn't have a "sound". I could tell you any ELP song at
    the first 5 seconds of hearing it.

    Of course I'm also a big ELP fan, which is natural for anybody who is a big
    fan of a group. Doesn't mean just because we can't tell their sound
    doesn't mean they didn't have one.

    Yes, Greg Lake being the lead singer of both groups makes it a little tricky
    but King Crimson had that Mellotron sound that ELP didn't have because
    Keith Emerson's staple instruments were the Moog and Hammond organs.

    That's how you can tell the difference between the two.

    Subtle?

    To some, almost impossible to tell the difference. But then again, there
    are groups that I hear on the radio, have been around for years, and I
    still can't tell it's one of their songs when I hear it.

    Why?

    Just not into them.

    It's the same with classical piano.

    My mother could tell the difference between Arthur Rubenstein and
    Lazar Berman in a heartbeat.

    To me?

    Hell, I might as well have flipped a coin and guessed because I had no
    idea who was who.

    Didn't mean they both didn't have their own sound.

    Just not identifiable to me."

    Just to end with what I said:"Just not identifiable to me"
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I would say ELO. They always seemed revolutionary and stood out from the pack

    I like some songs by ELP and that one, Hoedown is great keyboarding (of the other kind).

    ELPO

    There are so many songs I have heard a million times on the radio, over the years, but have no idea who they are most of the time or what the name of the song is for that matter - unless it is something really special or a group I have albums by.

    One reason I love these music threads - not just to remember the emotions 'back in the day', but to realize who is who, who sang what and whatever else i either forgot or may never have known.

    what is the saying - something about one person knowing more than the other forgot... something like that??

    what a memory! just like a SIV (spelling)
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
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    So true Patrician. I consider myself well versed in rock and roll history especially from the 50s to the 90s, but there are some here that not only match me, but exceed me. Kurt and Steven and ThomM come to mind quickly. While its obvious the warriors have many varied interests and tastes in music, I always have a joyful time exploring and contributing to the musical threads! You and Richard also deserve mention!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      sieve
      So true Patrician. I consider myself well versed in rock and roll history especially from the 50s to the 90s, but there are some here that not only match me, but exceed me. Kurt and Steven and ThomM come to mind quickly. While its obvious the warriors have many varied interests and tastes in music, I always have a joyful time exploring and contributing to the musical threads! You and Richard also deserve mention!
      Kim
      Yeah but that's only because I had no life as a kid.

      All kidding aside, it's not hard to know all about music when you
      spend all day walking around with a transistor radio stuck in
      your ear.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Yeah but that's only because I had no life as a kid.

        All kidding aside, it's not hard to know all about music when you
        spend all day walking around with a transistor radio stuck in
        your ear.
        Stevn,
        I know, I did it too!

        By the way, answer the PM I sent ya an hour or so ago! lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Stevn,
          I know, I did it too!

          By the way, answer the PM I sent ya an hour or so ago! lol
          I did.

          Sorry, I was playing Puzzle Quest and got all caught up trying to slay a
          dragon.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Time to put in a vote for ELP
      I liked ELO, but thrived on ELP.
      For a time after reading a Carl Palmer interview about his workout regime I cut down my practice time and started exercising more for stamina.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Thanks Kim. You are an expert too.

    Michael Oksa is also a walking music database - He is actually incredible - no matter how obscure - heck he even heard of Killing Joke. I was floored.

    I can't believe how touchy these threads are getting though - kind of bends the spirit of it - you would think we were talking politics -

    Now not just which group is THE best, but even not saying something clearly - is there such a word as misconnotating? LOhell

    I read a very good eBook on relationships and they were talking about the beginning - from the first time you meet. They were saying if someone uses 'convincing behavior' the only reaction possible is resistance. (totally means be open and don't push or try to jam your agenda thru)

    I always liked the lyric of Dylan's 'you are right from your side and I am right from mine'.

    I really resent it when people try to make my opinion invalid because it is different from theirs.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    So true. Now, if I don't like something muscially and you do, I will not hesitate to tell you to your face that *I* think its crap, but I won't try to convince you that you don't have the right to like it.
    Of course, intolerance to a different opinion is one of the major problems we are going through as a country,its just that we are seeing it magnified in places like forums. And, as you pointed out, ussions about things that should be fun.
    Music is fun. Music is kickass! I am not going to lose sleep over which version of the Yardbirds was best,or if Elvis would still be making number 1 hits if he was still alive now. ( Of course, the asnwer is yes because women have never given up on the fantasy version of Elvis)
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I think ELO is probably the way a lot of kids of the 80's were introduced to orchestral music. I know that the 'string' sections in elo got me interested in full on orchestral string pieces.

    its funny how when some of us older farts were kids, how things that were made for kids were really putting us in touch woth more adult stuff.

    For instance...the first time i had any real contact with opera, was bugs bunny's version of the barber of seville


    I love me some bugs bunny
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Patrician,
    I had forgotten about Michael.
    You are right, he is as smart about music as the rest of us,if not more, thats fgor sure.
    But dammit, he's another one that doesnt answer his PMs!
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes, Kim, I would say Michael and Steven and YOU, Richard and Kurt have definitely got the Music-IQ going on.

    So interesting. I am going to have to make folders for some groups - both of my bookmark managers for Chrome and Fox are a mile long. I keep waiting for 'you have maxed your space'. LOL.

    I really liked Richard's project with the Google Jukebox - I did input half of the first epic sized music thread we had but it was too much like work and I copped out for the 2nd thread. (son of whatever) (not sure if Richard did that one by himself or not)

    I am tempted to start one myself, but am even working on my one day off now, so I don't know when I would have time. (so I will just regret that everything we have posted is 'somewhere around here'...)

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