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Who's got a gun?

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I'm not sure if TV/newspaper/radio/magazines etc gives off the same impression of America and it's guns worldwide but all my life I've always considered Americans to be gun happy and many own one.

Whom from here owns a gun?
  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    I don't but I have in the past. Once in a while I consider getting
    one just for shooting targets. I don't hunt.

    You're right. Many Americans own guns. Gun happy? I don't think
    that is accurate. More along the lines of self-protection, and the
    cultural aspect of individualism somehow (maybe) associated with
    the idea of an armed populace being a deterrent against tyranny.

    But all that is just a best guess. It's not that 'most' are gun happy.
    I'm sure there are some who are. I've known great and cool people
    who own hundreds of guns. When I asked them about it, they always
    said they appreciate them. Then they always followed that comment
    with what I stated above. The best defense against gov't... just in case.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      ... the idea of an armed populace being a deterrent against tyranny.
      Where I'm from (Ireland), about 1 in 15 people own guns, but gun crime is very low here. I'm tempted to say we're just less violent than other countries but, at the end of the day, I think it boils down to the fact that, no matter how well-armed you are, the State is always going to out-gun you. (Even in the case of the North Hollywood shootout, mentioned above, the police were initially out-gunned, but, when it was all over, who was left standing?)

      An armed population, by itself, is NOT sufficient to defend against anything. Without organisation of that armed population, it's just a lot of people who own a lot of guns and isn't really as big a threat to the power of the State as you might think.

      An example with which I'm familiar is Northern Ireland: when 'the Troubles' were in full swing there, a lot of weapons were smuggled in from the U.S. and Europe but, until they were in the hands of organised paramiliary groups, they were a threat to individual people, but not to the State.

      Even though both the Irish and British governments could deliver overwhealming force against them anyway, the security services of both countries concentrated on disruption of those groups instead: Surveillance, infiltration, and basically stirring up intra and inter-group rivalries were far more effective than simply shooting people because, once the organisation breaks down, it goes from an organised challenge to the power of the State to a lot of individual people with a lot of guns.

      To put it more simply: You could give a million guns to a million men but, until they're all shooting in the same direction, it won't make any real difference. Without organisation, it doesn't really matter how big your gun is, or how many you have.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    I own three, all hunting guns, a shotgun and two rifles.

    I have not hunted in a few years now and never have ammo in the house.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I DID own SEVERAL, when I was about 7, but someone basically stole them. LONG STORY! Anyway, Barbara boxer, and some others wanted to make guns illegal, so I, along with MANY others, bought one. It is a SEMI automatic. You know, the type they call an ASSUALT WEAPON! I am NOT allowed to sell it, but I can keep it. They EVEN outlawed some parts, so I got SPARES! I ALSO got some teflon coated hollow points. AGAIN, they are now ILLEGAL to buy/sell. If someone breaks into my home while I am there, and has a gun, s/he is a dead duck. If they DON'T have a gun, they are going to jail, after maybe soiling themselves.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I ALSO got some teflon coated hollow points.
      Yeah. An excellent idea. You never know when you're going to run into a burglar or 10-point buck in a bullet-proof vest.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Have .380 now that I've never shot and only have it because son #2 was worried about me being on the Coast alone when I returned after Katrina. I carried a gun several years ago after a friend was murdered doing the same job I did at the time.

        I used to do some target shooting but would never kill an animal and the one time years ago when I might have used a gun for protection, I forgot about the gun and turned the German Shepherd loose instead. He took care of the problem.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Yeah. An excellent idea. You never know when you're going to run into a burglar or 10-point buck in a bullet-proof vest.


        Paul
        I actually bought my gun at the SAME place the police bought theirs when they went up against the burglars in that hollywood bank burglary. The police kept shooting with the guns issued to them, and the bullets bounced off because the crooks were wearing body armor. So WHO KNOWS who you could be up against.

        I am in a fairly safe area NOW though, with nice neighboors that know me and my habits. I basically let one have access to part of my garage for his car. so I may never have a change to use it for protection or in anger. 8-( But I DID juust want it for protection. It was probably the best portable and directional protection that I could have gotten.

        If I wanted to shoot deer, which I will probably never do, I would get a rifle. In the past 2 months, I have seen no less than 3 deer on my property! All were alive and placid and it is fine with me if they stay that way.

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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    I own several. NRA member here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Even cats have guns here in the USA...

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      Even cats have guns here in the USA...
      Cute cat, and cute reactions, but I hope the cat was ok. 8-( That last time it looked like the cat fell. 8-(
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    "Hollow point" does not mean it will penetrate body armor, it just means the round will expand when hitting the flesh.

    It's the "armor piercing" rounds that went thru bullet proof vests and body armor.

    I've never heard of a hollow point armor piercing bullet, but that does not mean they don't exist.

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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      "Hollow point" does not mean it will penetrate body armor, it just means the round will expand when hitting the flesh.

      It's the "armor piercing" rounds that went thru bullet proof vests and body armor.

      I've never heard of a hollow point armor piercing bullet, but that does not mean they don't exist.

      Dave
      Correct. Armor piercing rounds are teflon coated projectiles. So pretty
      sure that excludes hollow points. I have limited knowledge of this stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Correct. Armor piercing rounds are teflon coated projectiles. So pretty sure that excludes hollow points. I have limited knowledge of this stuff.
        Note what Steve said:
        I ALSO got some teflon coated hollow points.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Note what Steve said:
          It HAS been a while, but I am pretty sure the hollow points I have are the teflon coated ones.

          You ARE right in that hollow points are made more to create damage though

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          I am thinking about hollow points in NJ. Are teflon coated bullets hollow point? Wouldn't that defeat the supposedly reported purpose of the "Cop Killer" teflon coating to go through vests? Just wondering why a judge would make the jump from hollow point to teflon coated.

          Teflon coated where said by the media to go through a vest. I've never seen any facts on if you take a 9mm 115 teflon coated bullet moving at the same speed as a 115 FMJ would have any differn't effect on todays armor. I think it was another media hype kind of like the "BLACK TALON" which by todays standards would not be shot out most peoples guns as a self defense load, expecially since they now have much better jacketed bonded projectiles that give a much more reliable expansion. I know a guy who shoots teflon coated lead bullets for practice, and in IDPA from the simple fact because there cheaper then jacketed stuff, plus he can run them through his Glock and not have to worry about the polygonal rifling, that he would have if he ran straight lead. Hes a reloader therefore he buys in volume and thats what he shoots.
          And I think the ones I got WERE black talon, though wikipedia says they only had a coating that performed a similar function. Black Talon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          In any event, they were ones that were claimed to be powerful and, of course, the hollow point causes it to spread out if it hits significant resistance, such as bone, so it will cause damage. One complaint about 9mm was that bullets may just go through, and US law basically says you can only shoot a person on your property, who is NOT running away, if there is a real threat, and you must shoot to KILL! The shoot to kill requirement is indicated in precedent, as a living person will just sue and likely win.

          There was a guy whose dog was CONSTANTLY poisoned. He got a snake, and put out a warning to prevent theft. Two guys tried to steal. One ended up climbing a bookcase or something, and the other made it several blocks. As I recall, one died. The owner was sued, and the judge voted against him. The judge ACTUALLY said he should have gotten a dog! There was another who fell through a skylight while trying to steal, broke his leg, sued, and won! The law is just CRAZY!

          As I said, I bought this about the time that there was so much fear, and they used that fear to make this stuff ILLEGAL to buy/sell/repair! Fortunately, they couldn't make it illegal to own.

          Anyway, even if they CAN'T go through body armor, they can at least scare and there ARE places that might not be protected! The hollywood case was unusual, and they TRIED to make armor illegal also. Apparently, they didn't manage to pass that, though some STATES did, and it is apparently a felony elsewhere to use it to assist in a felony.

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  • Profile picture of the author mbenton
    Gun owner, always will be, no matter the laws. Nobody shoots at me and gets away with it.

    I try to practice as often as I can, too. Guns are useless if you can't hit what you're aiming for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick McCombs
    Yes, I own 3 of them. Am I gun happy? No. They are tools, just as a saw or hammer is a tool. I have a .22 magnum for keeping woodchucks from eating everything in my garden.
    Also have a shotgun for hunting small game and deer. Every year I fill my freezer with fresh venison to feed my family with a cost of $20 for a deer tag. Then I have a .45 auto which is my conceal carry weapon. Will I ever need to use it? I hope I never do. But I will protect myself or others if I have to.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Ok, I got too curious about this. lol.

    I went to the source of all knowledge. The internets secret
    back door.

    Seems it's an urban myth that teflon allows bullets to pierce
    body armor. Any bullet that can do that will do that with or
    without teflon.

    As alluded to above...

    This myth was created by some TV report a long time ago
    when they labeled teflon-coated bullets as cop killers and
    inaccurately attributed Kevlar piercing ability to the teflon
    coating.

    So... the teflon coating is used to decrease 'leading' in the
    barrel which is the accumulation of lead deposits inside the
    barrel. The lead of course comes from bullets being fired. Duh.
    The lead deposits reduce accuracy. The teflon reduces friction
    and leading.

    All right. I know more about this than I care to know. lol. But I
    really did get curious so had to find out.

    So now, perhaps, you're interested to know where the fabled,
    mythical internets back door is. Yes?

    I would tell you, but then I'd have to dispatch Steve to your
    address. You don't want that.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I plead the 5th. Can neither confirm nor deny such allegations.
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      • Profile picture of the author cimbah
        No gun here. No need for one.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      So now, perhaps, you're interested to know where the fabled,
      mythical internets back door is. Yes?

      I would tell you, but then I'd have to dispatch Steve to your
      address. You don't want that.
      I ASSUME you are talking about ME. How did I get involved in this way?

      Whenever anyone on the news says something like "COP KILLER" regarding products, you really have to wonder. I alluded to them calling my gun an ASSUALT weapon. Frankly, if I wanted to REALLY commit an assault, like that, I would do what they do in the movies and by a REAL automatic one with a bannana clip or similar.

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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I ASSUME you are talking about ME. How did I get involved in this way?
        Joke. I'll remove it if it bothers you.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

          Joke. I'll remove it if it bothers you.
          Naw, I was just seriously curious. I didn't even claim to know all about ammunition, etc... and what I bought THEN, though I knew FAR more than I do now. I got the best gun I could for the money, that they had at that store, and the ammo I figured I would best be able to use.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I had one. I also had a cute little custom made flame thrower that spat 2 feet of flames.....and a blow gun...and arnis sticks....and a squirt gun full of cayenne pepper spray......and a lamp chord stripped to bare wire for 3 inches at the end....and a knuckle knife.........and a dog....and several bulbs of garlic.

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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I had one. I also had a cute little custom made flame thrower that spat 2 feet of flames.....and a blow gun...and arnis sticks....and a squirt gun full of cayenne pepper spray......and a lamp chord stripped to bare wire for 3 inches at the end....and a knuckle knife.........and a dog....and several bulbs of garlic.

      Think I'm covered?

      I like it. My kind of woman.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I had one. I also had a cute little custom made flame thrower that spat 2 feet of flames.....and a blow gun...and arnis sticks....and a squirt gun full of cayenne pepper spray......and a lamp chord stripped to bare wire for 3 inches at the end....and a knuckle knife.........and a dog....and several bulbs of garlic.

      Think I'm covered?
      No. You also need silver bullets, gold-tipped bullets, holy water, diatomaceous earth, a bag of marbles or ball bearings and a piece of chalk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dale_Anthony
    I'm 40.....never owned or fired a gun


    Was anti-guns....but lately have been interested in learning how to safely fire, own and maintain a gun.

    Was threatened a while back by someone with a .44 semi-automatic

    truth be told....A gun would have made me feel safer than my high idealisms of Peace, Love and Understanding....(yes, it's my favorite Elvis Costello song too.)


    anyway who knows who's right or wrong

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    anyway who knows who's right or wrong
    The person positioned to pull the trigger first is always right. Whether they are or not.

    One of the best safety rules for owning a gun is being ABLE to pull the trigger without hesitating if you point it at someone. It's the biggest, and sometimes the last, mistake a person can make is to point a gun at someone if they don't have the ability to pull the trigger without hesitation if the time comes to do so. If you can't pull it, you stand the chance of having it taken out of your hand and being killed with your own weapon. NEVER point a gun under the impression you can just use it to scare someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Never owned one. Had one in my house for a while. An antique Winchester shotgun, a family heirloom.

    Didn't like the idea of having it (had nightmares the whole time it was there of having someone coming after me and running to get it)

    However because of the recent horror stories on the news about the rash of violent illegal aliens breaking into homes in nearby AZ (300 kidnappings), I really want to get one and learn to use it. I keep saying that and I never do it - one day I will.

    A semi-automatic/machine gun would be my choice in case I am up against more than one person. It would be fun to spray them with bullets and watch the expression on their faces as they drop.

    Guaranteed to change their tune, crazy Italian lady with a machine gun.

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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Lots of new zealanders own guns - but we generally prefer to stab each other to death here.

    Use our guns for civilized stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Lots of new zealanders own guns - but we generally prefer to stab each other to death here.
      Bloody sissy girly men. The preferred method of murder in Ireland is to beat you to death with bare fists.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Re: Who's got a gun?

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    To put it more simply: You could give a million guns to a million men but, until they're all shooting in the same direction, it won't make any real difference. Without organisation, it doesn't really matter how big your gun is, or how many you have.
    You're right about that Tommy. Over here during Katrina there was a demonstration of how ridiculously easy it is to disarm the population. There have been drills in a few locations, too. They know exactly how to disarm the public. We have a lot of ex-military that know how to put a force together, but most of the young and vital forces are elsewhere at the moment. There is also the problem of surveillance. They know who is going to do what every step of the way. When the day comes that they decide to declare martial law and start hauling us off, they will get some flack, but it's not going to dent their efforts without some national activation of citizens that will cause an instantaneous takeover of local gov and police stations. I can't see that happening. Our people are at the moment are being stupidly distracted by jibe created to keep their attention off of real issues just splendidly. We're practically in race wars again with each other over whether calling someone a liar is bigotry and we're going to save our own asses in an actual takeover? LMAO.

    It's still important on a personal level to be able to defend yourself or to drop some game if you're hungry though.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      We're practically in race wars again with each other over whether calling someone a liar is bigotry and we're going to save our own asses in an actual takeover? LMAO.
      Yeah, this morning I heard Obama say Joe was "being rude" to get his "15 minutes of fame"! OK, he only IMPLIED he was talkig about Joe. The REAL rude one there lectured everyone, held half of them HOSTAGE and called them LIARS, SEVERAL times! And that person was NOT Joe! Joe merely told the lecturer that he lied after the lecturer said half of them(INCLUDING JOE) lied, and FORCED half of them to remain there(of which Joe was one of the hostages)!

      Obama was probably secretly hoping they would leave so that congress could do what it did before, and vote for the bill with NO republican opposition. The ability to claim "disrespect" would have simply been icing on the cake.

      Oh yeah, he ALSO said talk of racism was like CATNIP to them. I guess he hasn't been listening. The DEMOCRATS were the ones bringing up racism.

      BTW BLACKS are allowed to buy guns also, and some guns are pretty inexpensive.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      You're right about that Tommy. Over here during Katrina there was a demonstration of how ridiculously easy it is to disarm the population. There have been drills in a few locations, too. They know exactly how to disarm the public. We have a lot of ex-military that know how to put a force together, but most of the young and vital forces are elsewhere at the moment. There is also the problem of surveillance. They know who is going to do what every step of the way. When the day comes that they decide to declare martial law and start hauling us off, they will get some flack, but it's not going to dent their efforts without some national activation of citizens that will cause an instantaneous takeover of local gov and police stations. I can't see that happening. Our people are at the moment are being stupidly distracted by jibe created to keep their attention off of real issues just splendidly. We're practically in race wars again with each other over whether calling someone a liar is bigotry and we're going to save our own asses in an actual takeover? LMAO.

      It's still important on a personal level to be able to defend yourself or to drop some game if you're hungry though.
      during katrina there was a need to disarm the population of that area, and it was well founded. There have been other catastrophes since then that teh population wasn't disarmed, probably because they werent shooting at aid workers.

      and the likelyhood of someone being able to 'drop some game' and know what to do with it afterwards is slim to none in most areas. half he country would die if grocery stores werent around.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

        Joke. I'll remove it if it bothers you.
        I got the joke.

        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        during katrina there was a need to disarm the population of that area, and it was well founded. There have been other catastrophes since then that the population wasn't disarmed, probably because they werent shooting at aid workers.

        and the likelyhood of someone being able to 'drop some game' and know what to do with it afterwards is slim to none in most areas. half he country would die if grocery stores werent around.
        So, what happens to the legally owned guns when the population is disarmed? I would say in a situation like Katrina, thats when I have the right to own and display my guns.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I got the joke.



          So, what happens to the legally owned guns when the population is disarmed? I would say in a situation like Katrina, thats when I have the right to own and display my guns.
          I would say that in a situation like katrina, i would have hauled my a$$ out of the path of a hurricane that i was told about for a week in advance and my need for weapons would have been a moot point.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            I would say that in a situation like katrina, i would have hauled my a$$ out of the path of a hurricane that i was told about for a week in advance and my need for weapons would have been a moot point.
            Yes, that is what most intelligent people would have done, but that doesn't answer my question.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Yes, that is what most intelligent people would have done, but that doesn't answer my question.
              Well as to you original question, personally if i were in a situation like katrina, or any othe rsituation, my weapons will not be taken until they are warm, empty and pried from my dead hands. I have weapons that were my great grandfathers and they will always be in my family.

              I would guess that in that kind of a situation, if people dont know you have weapons, they cant take them. They wont know you have weapons unless you show them and if im showing them while in the aftermath of a hurricane, i'm using them.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        during katrina there was a need to disarm the population of that area, and it was well founded. There have been other catastrophes since then that teh population wasn't disarmed, probably because they werent shooting at aid workers.

        and the likelyhood of someone being able to 'drop some game' and know what to do with it afterwards is slim to none in most areas. half he country would die if grocery stores werent around.
        MAN, you don't get out much, do you? You SHOULD! You could lose some weight!

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          MAN, you don't get out much, do you? You SHOULD! You could lose some weight!

          Steve
          i suppose that makes sense in rittalin land.
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      • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
        This is why each year I have my kids plant a garden - Highly against the yard nazi's regulations in my subdivision, but I want my kids to know food doesn't come from a store.

        My worries are I really don't know how to teach them to dress game. I've never done something as large as a deer - but as a kid I did plenty of fish, chickens, and other small game. Don't know what folks would do if I strung up a deer in the back yard. When some folks did that in another town with goats for an Islamic holiday ritual they were greeted with the swat team.

        I've taught my kids gun safety as well and what to do if they ever come across a gun or ammo - they know to go get an adult and to not play with the damn thing. And if they're with friends who's clueless parents haven't taught them the same thing - my kids have been taught to leave immediately, because lets be honest - someone's gonna get hurt in that situation. Even if you hate guns, you need to teach them about such stuff. Curiosty hasn't only killed cats folks.

        What most American's know about guns can be pathetic - just as the rest of the world, their ideas come from movies/TVs. I always like the scenes where people are squeezing off rounds and then just talking in a normal voice. Guns are loud people. Empty a clip in a firefight and you won't be using an indoor voice to communicate....

        I love how they show people holding guns too. twirling them, opening the cylinder and spinning it to make sure there's enough rounds, and the best is holding it sideways. Might look cool but someone in a weaver or other stance is gonna make hey out of you.

        --Jack

        as to the original question - its really none of anyone's business....


        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        during katrina there was a need to disarm the population of that area, and it was well founded. There have been other catastrophes since then that teh population wasn't disarmed, probably because they werent shooting at aid workers.

        and the likelyhood of someone being able to 'drop some game' and know what to do with it afterwards is slim to none in most areas. half he country would die if grocery stores werent around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I own 3.

    2 1911 .45 pistols, 1 mossberg shotgun. I've got my eye open for a rifle perferrably a m16 variant
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Thats a much better answer imo. I agree with what was said previously, that if we had warning, those of us of intelligent nature would have been gone before the disaster hit, but if for some unseen reason I was unable to get out or I had a business to protect, I would have real issues with my government trying to disarm me because that would be one of the times I felt I really had the right to exercise my right to bear arms.
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    • Profile picture of the author john2k
      Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

      all my life I've always considered Americans to be gun happy
      I believe you might be mistaking "gun happy" for "freedom happy."

      Let's not forget the reason why the Japanese did not invade the mainland after attacking Pearl Harbor. The admiral stated something to the effect that if they were to invade the mainland that they would encounter a rifle behind every blade of grass. Talk about an effective deterrent!

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Have .380 now that I've never shot and only have it because son #2 was worried about me being on the Coast alone when I returned after Katrina.
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      So, what happens to the legally owned guns when the population is disarmed? I would say in a situation like Katrina, thats when I have the right to own and display my guns.
      Oddly enough, having a gun in your possession after Katrina put you at risk from people that you never would have expected:


      Despite the practice of illegally confiscating guns already being unlawful, following Katrina at least a few dozen State legislatures felt it necessary to enact laws which absolutely forbid the illegal confiscation of legally owned firearms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Obama
    It is funny I was thinking about this topic a few hours a go.
    I do not have, never had, and will probably (cross fingers) never have a gun; as a matter of fact, I never used a gun either (no hunting).
    But I am not the norm, sadly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Guns are a requirement in this country for many different reasons. Granted in theory you dont need them to go through life but i would much rather have them and not need them, then need them and not have them.


    There isn't on place in the states, small town, big city that isnt touched by crime, especially now that the economy sucks.

    just last night there was a story of a 90 year old man holding a would be robber for the cops...buck naked.

    always some story about women being molested..house invasions, car jackings...etc. If you can't protect yourself, you are relying on the good nature of a criminal to not take your life, and seeing as how the person is indeed a criminal, relying on their good nature probably isnt the best plan of action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Yup, a small arsenal and a carry permit.

      But the real question is can you pull off an accurate Mozambique on a silhouette or D-1 target.

      If you can't, or don't know what that means, get some instruction on the use of a firearm and then practice.

      Most people can't hit a man using a pistol at 10 yards but they somehow believe the will be able to do it in a tense situation. Ain't gonna happen without luck being involved.

      And remember, keep your eye on the front sight...

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I doubt there are many people that know what a mozambique is here. And i really doubt that someone that has never fired at another human would follow through with it.

    I'm not outstanding with a pistol but i can keep a 3 inch grouping at about 15-20 yards center mass on a d1 sized target

    With a decent rifle im good up to about 400 yards without a scope on a d1 target

    People who have weapons generally don't train with them and just hope they know what to do if/when the time comes.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Most people can't hit a man using a pistol at 10 yards but they somehow believe the will be able to do it in a tense situation. Ain't gonna happen without luck being involved.
      Joe I couldn't hit a man with a pistol if I was 10 ft. away
      You're right though. Most people don't put the training and practice in to be effective with a hand gun.

      Myself I got rid of all my guns three years ago because of personal reasons.
      Plan on building the arsenal up next year again.
      I still have weapons all around the house, in my work truck, and on my bike.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Joe I couldn't hit a man with a pistol if I was 10 ft. away
        You're right though. Most people don't put the training and practice in to be effective with a hand gun.

        Myself I got rid of all my guns three years ago because of personal reasons.
        Plan on building the arsenal up next year again.
        I still have weapons all around the house, in my work truck, and on my bike.
        do you carry when you ride? I didnt at first until i heard of guys getting bike jacked
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          do you carry when you ride? I didnt at first until i heard of guys getting bike jacked
          I don't now, only my pig sticker I'm thinking about a get-back-whip but I try to keep a low profile riding for other reasons.

          In the old days I always rode with either a .25 Baretta or a .32 S&W.
          Tried a .45 once and almost fell off the bike from the recoil
          And then I always wore my Indian Primary chain belt with the 1 1/2 lb. steel buckle.
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          • Profile picture of the author 50calray
            Hello people, I own a couple of firearms to say the least

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            Collecting and Shooting firearms is something I really enjoy. My prized collection piece is a Model 1816 Springfield dated 1827 used by The Republic of Texas. My fun guns includes most of your typical semi-auto rifles like AK47s and AR15s. I also enjoy long range shooting with my 50cal rifle. If anyone is interested, like I said earlier I started a gun forum for people who enjoy discussing firearms...Semi-auto Rifles. There is a link to the site in my signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    I don't own a firearm. I'm skilled in their use, and have every intention of seeing to it that my children are taught those skills at an early age, but I simply don't think the statistics look good for owning and keeping firearms. I've been considering very seriously the purchase of an M1911 just to polish up my skills, but I wouldn't want it kept in the house - nonlethal weapons seem like a much better option, if you're going to keep something for defense. It's really hard to accidentally kill someone with something that isn't designed from the ground up to kill.

    And given my escrima training... well, it might just look like an umbrella sitting in a stand or a cane leaning in the corner, but to me it's a very effective way to beat the living crap out of someone. My five year old isn't too shabby with a stick, either.
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    • Profile picture of the author 50calray
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      but I simply don't think the statistics look good for owning and keeping firearms.
      Statistics don't lie, people use Statistics to lie with.

      There is an estimate 8 kids a year who die from firearm accidents. This in my opinion is extremely high but it fails in comparison when you think about the 350 kids a year dieing in back yard swimming pools. If people truly cared about the children like they claim, they would push for swimming pool safety as well as firearm safety.

      If you don't like firearms, that is fine but I strongly suggest educating them on firearm safety. This way they will understand should they come in contact with one via a friend's house or find one in a park etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author JazzOscar
        This is, maybe, a thread mostly for US citizens, so maybe I shouldn't have commented on this one.

        However I would like to say;

        I'm very happy to live in a country where most people don't feel the need at all to own a gun for their own protection. Many Norwegians own guns for hunting purposes, but that's it.

        Also, for us Norwegians, the idea of the population being armed in case the state should go against them in some way seem very far fetched.:confused:

        I think our lack of guns for self protection somehow lowers the threat level. Even the Norwegian police forces aren't armed in their ordinary day to day work. In Norway just the most hardcore criminals carries a gun, not the ordinary small thiefs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by JazzOscar View Post

          This is, maybe, a thread mostly for US citizens, so maybe I shouldn't have commented on this one.

          However I would like to say;

          I'm very happy to live in a country where most people don't feel the need at all to own a gun for their own protection. Many Norwegians own guns for hunting purposes, but that's it.

          Also, for us Norwegians, the idea of the population being armed in case the state should go against them in some way seem very far fetched.:confused:

          I think our lack of guns for self protection somehow lowers the threat level. Even the Norwegian police forces aren't armed in their ordinary day to day work. In Norway just the most hardcore criminals carries a gun, not the ordinary small thiefs.


          Sure you can comment...But also know that this thread isn't typical of the US. Depending on whose stats you believe, 33-50% of US households have guns. While still a high percentage do, the majority of Americans don't really own guns.

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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Sure you can comment...But also know that this thread isn't typical of the US. Depending on whose stats you believe, 33-50% of US households have guns. While still a high percentage do, the majority of Americans don't really own guns.
            The majority of us gun owners ain't admittin' to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              The majority of us gun owners ain't admittin' to it.
              If the gun is legally registered, you don't have to, not to mention you just did.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                If the gun is legally registered, you don't have to, not to mention you just did.
                I ain't admitted to nuttin'. What I meant was the majority of U.S. gun owners ain't admittin' to it.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  What about Switzerland? They have a higher per capita rate of gun ownership then the US does.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  I ain't admitted to nuttin'. What I meant was the majority of U.S. gun owners ain't admittin' to it.
                  You already did admit to it. It's in black and white. And you offer no proof to back up your premise...I say the vast majority of gun owners like to brag about having guns, to the point they may even slip up trying to make a point.

                  Not to mention my other point, about guns being registered, so they don't need to admit to anything.
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    You already did admit to it. It's in black and white. And you offer no proof to back up your premise...I say the vast majority of gun owners like to brag about having guns, to the point they may even slip up trying to make a point.

                    Not to mention my other point, about guns being registered, so they don't need to admit to anything.
                    I think yer just tryin' to trick me into admittn' I have unregisturd guns, which I ain't gonna do. If I was to give you proof that most of us unregisturd gun owners ain't admittn' it, then why that would just be like admittin' it, now won't it? You must think we're stupid or somethun.
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