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The New $5000 iMac from Apple. Overpriced? You decide.

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The new Mac Pro, I fear, is still months, away. Sad.

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Apple's new iMac Pro costs $5000, but is it overpriced?


Near the end of the company's World Wide Developer's Conference yesterday, Apple announced a new desktop PC. No, not a new Mac Pro like many were hoping for, but a new all-in-one iMac... Pro.

Here are the specs:

27-inch 5K display with 500 nits brightness and P3 color
8-Core Intel Xeon CPU, configurable up to 18-Core
32GB of 2666MHz DDR4 ECC RAM, configurable up to 128GB
1TB PCIe SSD, configurable up to 4TB SSD
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56 GPU with 8GB of HBM2, configurable to Vega 64, 16GB
Front 1080p FaceTime HD camera
Built-in stereo speakers, with 4 microphones, 3.5mm headphone jack
10GbE Ethernet
Four Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) ports
Four USB 3.0 ports
802.11ac wireless with Bluetooth 4.2
SDXC card slot with UHS-II

As far as specifications go, the iMac Pro is a pretty beefy PC, and in all the right places. It's got one heck of a CPU, and a yet to be announced AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56. Apparently from the iMac Pro specs page, AMD is going to announce a Pro Vega 64 as well. We reckon that these GPUs will be based on AMD's Vega Frontier edition, and not the consumer version of Vega that is supposed to be announced sometime in August.

Apple says that the $5000 base price for the new iMac Pro is a good deal, comparing its new computer to similar systems, specifically HP, which Apple said would have costed you $7000 for a similar system.

Could it work for gaming? Probably. Would it be the best gaming PC that Apple has ever released? Yes. Based on the CPU and GPU alone, the new iMac Pro would be a fantastic gaming PC. But the old adage is that Apple computers are overpriced for what they are and that if you DIY, you can get an equivalent system for cheap. So let's try it! We went to our friends at PCPartPicker and built a system that attempted to match the new baseline iMac Pro feature for feature, to see how much we would actually save:

PCPartPicker part list:

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor ($408.99)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler ($158.99)
Motherboard: Asus - X99-E-10G WS SSI CEB LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($649.00)
Memory: Crucial - 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory ($253.81)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($479.99)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Founders Edition ($678.99)
Case: Silverstone - TJ04B-EW ATX Mid Tower Case ($151.90)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Titanium 1000W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-
Modular ATX Power Supply ($242.89)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 7 Professional ($134.99)
Monitor: LG - UltraFine 5K Display 60Hz Monitor ($1299.95)
Other: ASUS Model ThunderboltEX 3 Expansion Card ($69.99)
Keyboard: Apple - MB110LL/B Wired Standard Keyboard ($49.00)
Mouse: Apple - MB829LL/A Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse ($79.99)
Speakers: Logitech - Z130 5W 2ch Speakers ($18.99)
Card reader: Kingston - Digital MobileLite G4 USB 3.0 card reader ($9.24)

Total: $4686.71

No iTunes, KeyNote, GarageBand or iMovie and a OS that is still the bane of many PC users. This iMac will ship with the latest Mac OS - dubbed, "High Sierra."

What we end up with is an awesome PC that would give our high-end build competition. We also have a system that's a productivity powerhouse as well. Our build has Wi-Fi, 10-gigabit Ethernet ports, USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports, and even Apple's own keyboard and mouse--although not the cooler space gray versions. Unfortunately, we only saved $313 by building it ourselves and that's only after sending in $25 worth of mail-in rebates. If you can build the exact same specs as the new iMac Pro, let us know in the comments.

Specs aside, we're not going to get the svelte design of Apple's new iMac Pro, and its admittedly good manufacturing build and design. But you go into DIY knowing this from the get-go. What you do get in return though is the ability to expand internally, which the iMac Pro doesn't offer. But, how many computer users are ever going to need to upgrade such a powerful machine. Still, if upgrading is a must for you, the hotly anticipated Mac Pro is going to be released before Christmas and will probably outpace anything currently in the market place.

If you use NZXT's new BLD system, you actually end up paying NZXT more to build a machine than the $313 you would be giving to Apple to build the iMac Pro. This is also in-line with what system builders will charge, and in many cases you'll end up paying even more for higher-end boutique builders. So if we're comparing builders, Apple's actually a deal!

Of course, $1,300 of our price tag is wrapped up in the 5K monitor. It's an understandable cost for Apple's build, especially when you consider the all-in-one design, but you can save a considerable amount of money--and still have a kick-ass gaming monitor--by building separately. For pros editing 4K video, the 5K display makes sense. This is the demographic the iMac Pro is targeting. For the average enthusiast though, a cheaper 4K display will suffice.

While Apple may have charged a big premium for its computers years ago, it looks like this is no longer the case today. If you're in the market to spend this kind of money on gaming though, you'd obviously be better off with our extreme gaming PC build guide than an iMac Pro.

ADDED: "Most Mac high-end users would resent being called gamers as they see their machines as productivity tools, so in that respect, the Mac is the clear cut winner. Claiming that Macs are overpriced in this instance, is a completely refutable claim."


Thank you, Apple for continuing to set the pace by building the best computers on the planet and dispelling the proposition put forth by the uninformed that you don't get great value for your money and for ONCE AGIN, proving me right.
  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Let's tear it down a little.

    10 gig ethernet would not be used for many years, no one has that sort of speed internet connection, no idea of the cost of that but completely not required.

    SSD Crucial's own at $277 or Toshiba, a saving of $200.00 bucks

    Monitor, why restrict yourself to a 27 inch. A nice 43 inch 4k display comes in at just under a grand, saving another $300.00 bucks.

    You could save yourself a grand and get an amazing setup for that money PC wise.

    I don't know about the rest of the kit except the Apple Mouse and keyboard are overpriced and not required, why not get a nice logitec combo setup for 50 bucks, a saving of another 79 bucks.

    Then of course the software choice. Games are limited for the Mac and that goes for lots of specialist applications so you have to include parallels, another 100 bucks on the Mac costings.

    I would say around $3500 to $3800 for an amazing PC setup with a much bigger screen.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      I would say around $3500 to $3800 for an amazing PC setup with a much bigger screen.
      Of course you'd say that because you have an ability to admit you are wrong. Why am I not the least bit surprised. lol

      It must be hard to be you and always have to settle for second best, if not third or fourth. I guess if you have never experienced having the best of anything, it's OK because you have no idea what your missing. Me? I'm spoiled. :-)

      You're right about one thing, surprisingly, which leads to a quandary for me. Now I have to decide if I want to get the new 5K iMac, fully loaded and add a supplementary 34" monitor or wait for the new Mac Pro with Apple's new 5K monitor, or the LG 5K, which is the direction I am leaning. I would never need to expand any aspect of the iMac, but I simply couldn't live with a 27" monitor. Either way it's going to be another $10k, I guess I could get both and replace the two workstations that I now have, but hat just seems too ostentatious, even for me.

      Does the Salvation Army or Goodwill Industries take used computers?

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      SSD Crucial's own at $277 or Toshiba, a saving of $200.00 bucks

      Monitor, why restrict yourself to a 27 inch. A nice 43 inch 4k display comes in at just under a grand, saving another $300.00 bucks.

      You could save yourself a grand and get an amazing setup for that money PC wise.
      Well you have to excuse Apple Fan boys for not knowing any better. They are generally not any good at building systems since they just buy whatever Apple puts out. They do comparisons like this because they are used to closed proprietary systems and think there is one solution for each part in the PC world AND they quote prices as if they are written in stone from one vendor because they are when you buy a mac.

      Truth be told you can shave hundreds more by shopping around and quite often theres not a singular clear "top of the line" product. Viva non proprietary because it gives options even at the same performance level

      Then of course the software choice. Games are limited for the Mac and that goes for lots of specialist applications so you have to include parallels, another 100 bucks on the Mac costings.
      This is where Mac over enthusiasts just crash and burn every time. In no other technology area would something be considered the universal best when it has so many things it just can't handle natively.

      You can argue the PS4 is better than xbox but it means nothing to someone who loves a game/games that play better on an Xbox.

      At that point its just your personal preference versus theirs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post


      10 gig ethernet would not be used for many years, no one has that sort of speed internet connection, no idea of the cost of that but completely not required.
      .
      Yeah thats the other problem over paying for all in one setups. By the time you get around to using some of the tech you don't or can't use today the tech is more mature and cheaper so you ended up paying for old tech (in terms of when you could actually benefit from them).
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  • Profile picture of the author kennelsnout
    While $4,999 may seem expensive, there are many run-of-the-mill gaming laptops that cost almost as much. The iMac Pro could be an excellent alternative.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    All this to check email, browse forums and watch Youtube.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      All this to check email, browse forums and watch Youtube.
      I rarely watch YouTube or visit many forums, these days. Still, if I was driving to the supermarket, I'd certainly prefer driving a Maserati over a Volkswagen.

      Why is that so difficult for folks to understand? lol

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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        I rarely watch YouTube or visit many forums, these days. Still, if I was driving to the supermarket, I'd certainly prefer driving a Maserati over a Volkswagen.

        Why is that so difficult for folks to understand? lol

        Thank you.

        So why do you need a $5K computer?

        ...and you're on a forum right now.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So why do you need a $5K computer?
          I don't need a $5K computer, so I bought a $10K computer - because I can.

          ...and you're on a forum right now.
          Yes - that's what the term 'hardly ever,' relates to. I'm glad I could clear that up for you. If you need any other sentences requiring a 5th grade reading comprehension level cleared up, feel free to call upon me, at any time. I live to serve.

          Thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            I don't need a $5K computer, so I bought a $10K computer - because I can.

            You bought the brand.

            I did the same thing a few times years ago when I was a kid. Bought a pair of Nike shoes, fell apart a month later. Bought a pair of expensive jeans, fell apart in the washing machine the first time being washed.

            As you get older you'll realize brands aren't nearly as important as you once thought.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              As you get older you'll realize brands aren't nearly as important as you once thought.
              Of course some brands actually produce quality products. I couldn't care less about the brand. I care about what I like, want, enjoy and can be productive with.

              Struggling with a PC simply holds no allure for me. At my age, life should be easy. I still don't understand why some people are so off-put by how others spend their money, although one word does come to mind. lol

              If money were a consideration, I might have a different attitude, but I seriously doubt it. I would simply wait longer as I saved for what I wanted without compromising my values.

              People are different. They want different things. If that weren't the case there would only be one model of everything for sale on the planet. That's not a world I would care to live in.

              If my needs have been met and I'm happy with what I purchased at any price, have I overpaid? To your way of thinking, I guess so. To my way of thinking, absolutely not.

              Haven't regretted a single Mac purchase in 35 years (pre-Macintosh). Every single machine has afforded me the opportunity to make enough money to purchase the next one without giving it a second thought.

              It's a very simple concept. Only an unimaginative PC user wouldn't be able to grasp it and if they could, they would somehow find validity in arguing the point. Sad. :-)

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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Of course some brands actually produce quality products. I couldn't care less about the brand. I care about what I like, want, enjoy and can be productive with.

                Struggling with a PC simply holds no allure for me. At my age, life should be easy. I still don't understand why some people are so off-put by how others spend their money, although one word does come to mind. lol

                If money were a consideration, I might have a different attitude, but I seriously doubt it. I would simply wait longer as I saved for what I wanted without compromising my values.

                People are different. They want different things. If that weren't the case there would only be one model of everything for sale on the planet. That's not a world I would care to live in.

                If my needs have been met and I'm happy with what I purchased at any price, have I overpaid? To your way of thinking, I guess so. To my way of thinking, absolutely not.

                Haven't regretted a single Mac purchase in 35 years (pre-Macintosh). Every single machine has afforded me the opportunity to make enough money to purchase the next one without giving it a second thought.

                It's a very simple concept. Only an unimaginative PC user wouldn't be able to grasp it and if they could, they would somehow find validity in arguing the point. Sad. :-)

                Thank you.




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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Whatever... I can run faster than you.
                  What's the rush? Slow down. Smell the roses.

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        I'd certainly prefer driving a Maserati over a Volkswagen.
        When a VW will do the job just as well as a Maserati, it seems like over compensation for,......., something.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          When a VW will do the job just as well as a Maserati, it seems like over compensation for,......., something.
          Or, simply a taste for the finer things in life.

          "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar."

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  • Profile picture of the author Adidas78
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    Looking at all the specs I think that's just crazy. First and for most it's many computers that can actually do a better job. But that's much? Just a no.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Adidas78 View Post

      Looking at all the specs I think that's just crazy. First and for most it's many computers that can actually do a better job. But that's much? Just a no.
      Thanks for sharing. Now that you have settled that for all of us with such a detailed litany of facts, we will make our purchasing decisions in a much more informed manner. I know that I'll be rethinking my purchase. lol

      Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I guess my "taste for the finer things in life" doesn't include computers. $5k would be overpriced for ME.

    Because I don't need that much power/speed - I don't need loads of bells and whistles - I don't need to impress anyone.

    I've learned if I spend more on a product than I'm comfortable with - I will never enjoy that product. Doesn't matter if I can afford it or not - buying more than I need just doesn't suit me. Since I know that about myself - I just go with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darrell Hagan
      Exactly. And the very reason that I am typing this right now on an old Dell Optiplex running Windows 7. It still works well for my needs.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Darrell Hagan View Post

        Exactly. And the very reason that I am typing this right now on an old Dell Optiplex running Windows 7. It still works well for my needs.
        I am thrilled for you, but what does that have to do with my life? I'm guessing you figure if it's good enough for you, it should be good enough for anyone. lol

        You can have your life. I'm sure I'll be much happier living mine the way I see fit.

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    When a VW will do the job just as well as a Maserati, it seems like over compensation for,......., something.
    That was below the belt.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    what does that have to do with my life
    LOL - what does your love for Apple computers have to do with anyone else's life?

    When the title says "you decide" - people might actually ...decide....
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      LOL - what does your love for Apple computers have to do with anyone else's life?

      When the title says "you decide" - people might actually ...decide....
      Simply trying to assist those that need help making the 'right' decision. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Mattison Sams
    Not really because the price will go down after a few weeks.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Mattison Sams View Post

      Not really because the price will go down after a few weeks.
      Another person that knows nothing about what they feel compelled to comment on, simply to comment. Do you feel important, now?

      Macs being reduced in price after a few weeks. That's a good one. Steve Jobs is pissing himself laughing in his grave.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Another person that knows nothing about what they feel compelled to comment on, simply to comment. Do you feel important, now?

        Macs being reduced in price after a few weeks. That's a good one. Steve Jobs is pissing himself laughing in his grave.

        Thank you.
        The new ad campaign has been leaked..

        "The New Apple IMac Pro, Reassuringly Expensive"
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          The new ad campaign has been leaked..

          "The New Apple IMac Pro, Reassuringly Expensive"
          I guess that leaves you on the sidelines. :-)

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          The new ad campaign has been leaked..

          "The New Apple IMac Pro, Reassuringly Expensive"
          Ah, c,mon, that is a bit cruel,....l am sure that someone who wants to start an online business and has 5k left to his name will run out and buy an iMac?

          Then spend months or years, scratching enough money together to try to start an online business.

          While someone else, will buy the latest and fastest Laptop, for $1,500, and invest the 3,5k into the business?

          Sure they may have more issues, but they also have over 3k for startup.

          But if someone with more money that they know what to do with it, wants to get into computers, then l would probably mention Apple.

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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Ah, c,mon, that is a bit cruel,....l am sure that someone who wants to start an online business and has 5k left to his name will run out and buy an iMac?

            Then spend months or years, scratching enough money together to try to start an online business.

            While someone else, will buy the latest and fastest Laptop, for $1,500, and invest the 3,5k into the business?

            Sure they may have more issues, but they also have over 3k for startup.

            But if someone with more money that they know what to do with it, wants to get into computers, then l would probably mention Apple.
            I get it. You, too, are left standing on the sidelines.

            You can spin it any way you choose. :-)

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    I do not understand who the market for these things are. I would imagine agencies but surely agencies would already have numerous existing better displays.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    I get it. You, too, are left standing on the sidelines.

    You can spin it any way you choose. :-)

    Thank you.
    No, l am being a realist. If someone with little money, spends $500 on a trendy pair of jeans, then they might feel good wearing them, but they are also making it a lot harder to get ahead, than someone who spends $100, on the next best thing, and invests it, so he can buy the expensive ones eventually.

    Originally Posted by pauloadaoag View Post

    I do not understand who the market for these things are. I would imagine agencies but surely agencies would already have numerous existing better displays.
    Individuals who want the best, or stay loyal, etc. But with the huge price point difference, sometimes it is better to go with the cheaper option.


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    Apple Engineer Talks about the New 2015 Macbook - YouTube
    Nah, waiting for this baby!


    Probably only retails for $1000, but l am sure it will drop down to $999, in 20 to 30 years time.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      No, l am being a realist. If someone with little money, spends $500 on a trendy pair of jeans, then they might feel good wearing them, but they are also making it a lot harder to get ahead, than someone who spends $100, on the next best thing, and invests it, so he can buy the expensive ones eventually.
      Completely ridiculous analogy. lol

      Individuals who want the best, or stay loyal, etc. But with the huge price point difference, sometimes it is better to go with the cheaper option.
      For some people, but that's a personal choice based on many factors. You're fixated on the price which blinds you to other factors. Just plain silly and an extremely week argument,

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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        You're fixated on the price which blinds you to other factors.

        Not fixated, laughing. There's a difference.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Not fixated, laughing. There's a difference.
          You're right. I notice that every time you post and I laugh my ass off.

          "Please, suh - may I have more porridge???" lol

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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Is your ass still laughing or just talking?
              I don't know. Are you still laughing or just talking?

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Not fixated, laughing. There's a difference.
          Yes, it is a pretty weak argument to say that buying a high end Laptop for $1,500, and investing the 3.5k into an online business, and using the 1k it makes a month into whatever you want, is weak.

          And sure you could possibly put every cent into the 5k apple one, and still get your business up to 1k a month, but is it worth the years of suffering and biding your time, to scratch up enough for your online gig, to have a nice looking PC, with less issues?

          I guess some here will say Yes, it is, but l wouldn't.

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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Yes, it is a pretty weak argument to say that buying a high end Laptop for $1,500, and investing the 3.5k into an online business, and using the 1k it makes a month into whatever you want, is weak.

            And sure you could possibly put every cent into the 5k apple one, and still get your business up to 1k a month, but is it worth the years of suffering and biding your time, to scratch up enough for your online gig, to have a nice looking PC, with less issues?

            I guess some here will say Yes, it is, but l wouldn't.
            My god, how do you dream this crap up? Does your butt hurt from you constantly pulling things out of it?

            So, your thesis is, buy a $1500 laptop, invest $3.5k in starting an online business and you are guaranteed to make $1K a month. If that's true, why is it you have never had a $1k month in your entire life?

            Obviously, you have only presented a theory and not an actual business plan. Am I right?

            Keep up the good work. Sounds like you have a very successful WSO in the offing. lol

            Thank you and good night.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              My god, how do you dream this crap up? Does your butt hurt from you constantly pulling things out of it?

              So, your thesis is, buy a $1500 laptop, invest $3.5k in starting an online business and you are guaranteed to make $1K a month. If that's true, why is it you have never had a $1k month in your entire life?

              Obviously, you have only presented a theory and not an actual business plan. Am I right?

              Keep up the good work. Sounds like you have a very successful WSO in the offing. lol

              Thank you and good night.

              I would go easy on the butt talk, cheers :-)


              And to answer your question, l have successfully recently completed a cert, 3 in micro business management, and am currently working on a business based on actual sales, and projecting that for the next two years, with cashflow, budgets, and profit, loss charts and stastics to back it up.

              1k a month, lol, l will be making 40k a year by next year, at minimum, based on increasing flyer numbers, based on Actual sales.

              And yes l will probably get an Apple one day, probably get a laptop just to see what the fuss is all about.

              But only when my business is making enough.

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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                I would go easy on the butt talk, cheers :-)


                And to answer your question, l have successfully recently completed a cert, 3 in micro business management, and am currently working on a business based on actual sales, and projecting that for the next two years, with cashflow, budgets, and profit, loss charts and stastics to back it up.

                1k a month, lol, l will be making 40k a year by next year, at minimum, based on increasing flyer numbers, based on Actual sales.

                And yes l will probably get an Apple one day, probably get a laptop just to see what the fuss is all about.

                But only when my business is making enough.

                Thank you!
                Projections are meaningless. Actual sales can be very illusive, regardless of any course you may take. Although I wish you all the best, I doubt that there's a Mac in your future based on anything you have outlined, here. :-)

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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                  Projections are meaningless. Actual sales can be very illusive, regardless of any course you may take. Although I wish you all the best, I doubt that there's a Mac in your future based on anything you have outlined, here. :-)

                  Thank you.
                  Oh Big Mac

                  I definitely see a Mac In your future based on the words of the Profit.

                  Shane the seer may only ever own one with pickles and lettuce but you never know, he might think outside the bun.

                  As for me, I may inherit a 2010 Macbook Pro should the wife meet an early demise, but the future is not written.

                  Blessed Be
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                  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    As for me, I may inherit a 2010 Macbook Pro should the wife meet an early demise, but the future is not written.
                    Who uses a 7 year old laptop for anything more than a paperweight? I suggest you hop in your Jensen and head down to the nearest Apple Store. Please don't run over and cavemen on the way

                    Sheesh!

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                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Oh Big Mac

                    I definitely see a Mac In your future based on the words of the Profit.

                    Shane the seer may only ever own one with pickles and lettuce but you never know, he might think outside the bun.

                    As for me, I may inherit a 2010 Macbook Pro should the wife meet an early demise, but the future is not written.

                    Blessed Be
                    Lol, well as midnight Oil have said, "in every home, a Big Mac", so l cannot disappoint them.

                    As for Maccers, l only go there every few years, to remind myself that the food is s***t, so l can avoid it indefinitely.

                    As for Apple computers, my brother owns several, and my Mother will most likely get an Apple laptop of Tablet, soon.

                    So l am becoming the black sheep of the family.

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    We fleece while we enable.
    We are woollily unwooly,
    we are stable.
    Flock here!
    Imminent par-a-ble.

    Apple pricetag
    MAKEASYA GULP
    because yanno ... other shit AVAILABLE,
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      We fleece while we enable.
      We are woollily unwooly,
      we are stable.
      Flock here!
      Imminent par-a-ble.

      Apple pricetag
      MAKEASYA GULP
      because yanno ... other shit AVAILABLE,
      If nothing else, you at least were right on the mark by referring to the other choices as 'shit,' although I believe you are being exceedingly complimentary.

      Thank you.
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    Very Expensive
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      Originally Posted by fbacker View Post

      Very Expensive
      Translation: I could never afford it.

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  • Profile picture of the author SpectateSwamp
    PC vs MAC is meaningless.
    Applications are way more important than individual operating systems.

    My app gives me complete control (with random sampling) of all my digital information Video Audio Pictures and Text.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post

      PC vs MAC is meaningless.
      Applications are way more important than individual operating systems.

      My app gives me complete control (with random sampling) of all my digital information Video Audio Pictures and Text.
      Spoken like someone that has never used a Mac and doesn't do any real work. You're excused.

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      • Profile picture of the author SpectateSwamp
        I wrote my first program in 1970.
        Had a Mac 2 way back because it had color.

        I have a post:
        "nobody shares knowledge better than this"
        It's true nobody has come forward that can touch me and my app.
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          Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post

          It's true nobody has come forward that can touch me and my app.
          That's because no one cares. :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post

      PC vs MAC is meaningless.
      Applications are way more important than individual operating systems.
      Unless you are talking about Windows 10, then most old applications won't work or be crippled within a short time.

      And the next gen, of w10, will only work with what Microsoft wants you to use.

      Maybe they should change their advertising from children looking starry eyed at the future of Windows ten, to slave children, being drained of every cent they have so they can run their software?

      Big Corporations Love You.

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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Big Corporations Love You.
        Wrong. Big corporations love money and will act as if they love you if you have it to spend.

        If you don't have money, you are dead to them. :-)

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Unless you are talking about Windows 10, then most old applications won't work or be crippled within a short time.

        And the next gen, of w10, will only work with what Microsoft wants you to use.

        Maybe they should change their advertising from children looking starry eyed at the future of Windows ten, to slave children, being drained of every cent they have so they can run their software?

        Big Corporations Love You.

        I don't know why you insist on constantly posting these lies about Windows 10.

        Microsoft did not disable your 15 year-old version of Photoshop. Adobe refused to upgrade it. That is not the fault of Microsoft or Windows 10. That is Adobe trying to drain you of money, not Microsoft.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I don't know why you insist on constantly posting these lies about Windows 10.

          Microsoft did not disable your 15 year-old version of Photoshop. Adobe refused to upgrade it. That is not the fault of Microsoft or Windows 10. That is Adobe trying to drain you of money, not Microsoft.
          Probably because they are not lies.

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Probably because they are not lies.
            Yes they are lies.

            Microsoft is not going around crippling software. Their own software still runs on Windows 10, and that is what they would make the most money off of making incompatible with the latest versions of Windows. I can still run Office from 1997 on Windows 10.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I don't know why you insist on constantly posting these lies about Windows 10.

          Microsoft did not disable your 15 year-old version of Photoshop. Adobe refused to upgrade it. That is not the fault of Microsoft or Windows 10. That is Adobe trying to drain you of money, not Microsoft.
          Shane is a prime example of what happens to people when their main source of news is from the Murdoch stable. Or perhaps he gets his news from Murdoch because he's like that already. Chicken and egg scenario I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Shane is a prime example of what happens to people when their main source of news is from the Murdoch stable. Or perhaps he gets his news from Murdoch because he's like that already. Chicken and egg scenario I guess.
        I didn't get this from a newspaper, and the Herald Sun, never mentions windows 10 anyway, only that this virus has infested a Windows OS, and updates should have been applied.

        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Yes they are lies.

        Microsoft is not going around crippling software. Their own software still runs on Windows 10, and that is what they would make the most money off of making incompatible with the latest versions of Windows. I can still run Office from 1997 on Windows 10.
        Office is about $130 new, and about $12 a month recurring, (l am currently using it for business purposes) but that is peanuts to adobe suite 2005, (can get ill, for $39 on Ebay, and cs2 is about $1000 AU).

        My old laptop had the same update try to install for months on end, and every time without fail, it crippled cs2, (others also).

        Then Microsoft began to install it in three waves, which began to change the System Restore part of w7.

        So eventually when they tried to install the update again, system restore points would vanish. And the software, still worked, but it had minor issues.

        But ghosting still worked so l was still able to remove it.

        Then the last time they tried, l created multiple restore points, double checked them, and took screen shots.

        Then after that update went through, as usual cs2's tabs were there one minute gone the next, etc; all system restore points were gone, ghosting wouldn't work, (or the update was invisible) and even going into the registry was useless, (it was permanent).

        So Microsoft used every dirty trick in the book, to install an update that seemed to do absolutely nothing for my OS, and crippled cs2 every time!

        The obvious question is, if it was a harmless, necessary update, then why the bag of dirty tricks?

        Or why cripple the System Restore function, to get this through?

        No, Adobe and Microsoft are working together to kill of their old versions of adobe products, so everyone will go on the cloud version.

        And spend at least a few hundred a year to use their,... well use cs2.


        I have tried cs2 and cs3 on the cloud, which isn't as good as the older version, (some important functions are gone) but it does have a good Glyph window, which was the only real plus l would use.


        I know some will just consider it good marketing to kill off old software so everyone goes on the recurring fee version, except the financially struggling graphic artists.

        I suggest that everyone with w10 go and download the trial version of cs2, install it, and prove it to themselves.

        Tabs and the bridge will work perfectly until the update cripples it.

        Just go to Google and put in something like, "Download, Free Trial Version of cs2, 2005" and don't click on Adobe, that only goes to the cloud one.

        I tried this on two laptops with w10, both worked perfectly, at least til the first wave of updates came along.

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          No, Adobe and Microsoft are working together to kill of their old versions of adobe products, so everyone will go on the cloud version.

          :

          Again. It is not Microsoft. It is Adobe. Microsoft doesn't care if an old version of Photoshop works or not. They have nothing to gain by it not working.

          Your beef is with Adobe. Microsoft has nothing to do with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Shane, you should get a part time job in education. I don't know if Adobe operate the same scheme in Aus, but here in the US, for people working in any capacity in the education (edu) sector, we get the whole Adobe suite for $10.00 a year.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Shane, you should get more than a part time education.
          Fixed.

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Shane, you should get a part time job in education. I don't know if Adobe operate the same scheme in Aus, but here in the US, for people working in any capacity in the education (edu) sector, we get the whole Adobe suite for $10.00 a year.
          Lol, nope, the CC or education version only is restricted, or useless for my needs.

          I am waiting for Windows 9 3/4 myself!

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