Porn in Public Libraries?

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Very interesting debate in Michigan. I can kind of see both sides:

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I can't see both sides. This is not just porn they censor. When I was on the road there were certain things I couldn't do because I wasn't "allowed" to and they had nothing to do with porn or adult content.

    In many places the books 1984 and Lord of the Flies have been banned from schools - we used to study them as classics and as important political commentary. Now we're not allowed to think?

    All this censorship crap going around is BS. I had a mother and don't need someone else acting to "protect" me from sensitive ideas. While I do approve of filtering some computers for kids, I believe that adults should still claim their freedoms of autonomy and speech and it is just abhorrent to me that anyone would try to tell me what I am allowed and not allowed to see. Right now it's porn and chat, and all social sites -- later the porn crucifiers will find their own religious material or other very vital interests on that list and will cry big tears over it because all of the sudden it is what THEY want that is being restricted. That's the beauty of rights - people either are left to theirs or sooner or later your own go out the window.........whether YOU like what others are doing or not.......in the USA the way we were meant to be, what others wanted to look at wasn't any of your F---ing business anyway.

    I think we need to put a stop to censorship of material to ANYONE who is not a minor.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I can't see both sides. This is not just porn they censor. When I was on the road there were certain things I couldn't do because I wasn't "allowed" to and they had nothing to do with porn or adult content.

      In many places the books 1984 and Lord of the Flies have been banned from schools - we used to study them as classics and as important political commentary. Now we're not allowed to think?

      All this censorship crap going around is BS. I had a mother and don't need someone else acting to "protect" me from sensitive ideas. While I do approve of filtering some computers for kids, I believe that adults should still claim their freedoms of autonomy and speech and it is just abhorrent to me that anyone would try to tell me what I am allowed and not allowed to see. Right now it's porn and chat, and all social sites -- later the porn crucifiers will find their own religious material or other very vital interests on that list and will cry big tears over it because all of the sudden it is what THEY want that is being restricted. That's the beauty of rights - people either are left to theirs or sooner or later your own go out the window.........whether YOU like what others are doing or not.......in the USA the way we were meant to be, what others wanted to look at wasn't any of your F---ing business anyway.

      I think we need to put a stop to censorship of material to ANYONE who is not a minor.
      I hate to disagree with you, but a Library is a public forum. If you want to look at porn, you should do it at home (and you're perfectly free to do it there). I want to be able to let my kids roam the library without having to worry about whether or not some horny old geezer is spanking his monkey on the computer near them.

      We're talking computer porn here, not literature. We all know what computer porn looks like, and it has no place in the library. IMO
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      • Profile picture of the author Kelvin Nikkel
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        I hate to disagree with you, but a Library is a public forum. If you want to look at porn, you should do it at home (and you're perfectly free to do it there). I want to be able to let my kids roam the library without having to worry about whether or not some horny old geezer is spanking his monkey on the computer near them.

        We're talking computer porn here, not literature. We all know what computer porn looks like, and it has no place in the library. IMO
        I totally agree with you 100% Gary!

        Porsche should be blocked from all public computers, including Internet cafés, libraries, bus stations, schools, and the likes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by Kelvin Nikkel View Post

          Porsche should be blocked from all public computers, including Internet cafés, libraries, bus stations, schools, and the likes.
          Porche Lynn?

          What have you got against her?

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I can't see both sides. This is not just porn they censor. When I was on the road there were certain things I couldn't do because I wasn't "allowed" to and they had nothing to do with porn or adult content.

      In many places the books 1984 and Lord of the Flies have been banned from schools - we used to study them as classics and as important political commentary. Now we're not allowed to think?

      All this censorship crap going around is BS. I had a mother and don't need someone else acting to "protect" me from sensitive ideas. While I do approve of filtering some computers for kids, I believe that adults should still claim their freedoms of autonomy and speech and it is just abhorrent to me that anyone would try to tell me what I am allowed and not allowed to see. Right now it's porn and chat, and all social sites -- later the porn crucifiers will find their own religious material or other very vital interests on that list and will cry big tears over it because all of the sudden it is what THEY want that is being restricted. That's the beauty of rights - people either are left to theirs or sooner or later your own go out the window.........whether YOU like what others are doing or not.......in the USA the way we were meant to be, what others wanted to look at wasn't any of your F---ing business anyway.

      I think we need to put a stop to censorship of material to ANYONE who is not a minor.
      I don't know about "lord of the flies", but OF COURSE 1984 is banned! It hits too close to so much happening today! Orwell should have been COMMENDED for writing such a book. WOW, he really pegged it, didn't he? OK, he was a decade or 2 off, but WOW!

      Why don't we just remove the stupid advertising that seeks to entice/corrupt, and the propaganda!? Society would be better, costs would go down, time would go up. SIMPLE!

      Alas, I guess that is TOO SIMPLE an idea. It is like the old fashioned idea of being polite and washing your hands.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I don't know about "lord of the flies", but OF COURSE 1984 is banned! It hits too close to so much happening today! Orwell should have been COMMENDED for writing such a book. WOW, he really pegged it, didn't he? OK, he was a decade or 2 off, but WOW!

        Why don't we just remove the stupid advertising that seeks to entice/corrupt, and the propaganda!? Society would be better, costs would go down, time would go up. SIMPLE!

        Alas, I guess that is TOO SIMPLE an idea. It is like the old fashioned idea of being polite and washing your hands.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          So, your answer to end censorship is to censor?

          Well, we COULD do without the endless ads to "end debt", on line bc(I don't even want to advertise it here), etc... and political agendas foisted on kids that should be in school to learn.

          But there are books that HAVE no real agenda that have been around for even 100 years(1984 has been out for about 61 years already) that are suddenly getting banned.

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        • Profile picture of the author webpromotions
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          I want to be able to let my kids roam the library without having to worry about whether or not some horny old geezer is spanking his monkey on the computer near them.
          IMO
          Sorry, I didn't think anyone could see me.

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          So, your answer to end censorship is to censor?
          Pwned.
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          • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
            Originally Posted by Doug English View Post

            Pwned.
            I see this all the time and I have no idea what it means.

            Can anyone help an old geezer out and clue me in :confused:

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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

              I see this all the time and I have no idea what it means.

              Can anyone help an old geezer out and clue me in :confused:

              KJ
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              I don't know, I'm a geezer myself:rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Here's how I really feel about porn in library's.
                It should be up to each town, village, city, etc. that own the library to decide what they will allow in it.
                In other words the citizens of that municipality who pay the taxes decide what they want. Other then that it's nobody elses business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      In many places the books 1984 and Lord of the Flies have been banned from schools - we used to study them as classics and as important political commentary. Now we're not allowed to think?
      I studied 'the lord of the flies' just 2 years ago in the UK!

      Damn that books boring! But the film is even worse....

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post

        I studied 'the lord of the flies' just 2 years ago in the UK!

        Damn that books boring! But the film is even worse....

        Tom Brite
        Two years ago? How old are you? I read that book for the first time in Fourth grade. They won't even allow it into our high schools now. Not old enough to remember Germans burning books I guess - or just stupid enough to be led into the same action without being able to see the final outcome. (Even though it is well documented and easy for all to plainly see).
        That is what Wells went for was the final outcome. He leaves you to surmise most of the paths to the destination.

        Unfortunately, most Americans don't have the ability to think objectively anymore so they CAN'T see final outcomes. All they know is "I don't like this so nobody should be able to do it, because it's scary". Porn is a problem at many levels - but not half the problem censoring it can become down the road. I am wondering exactly how shall we censor all of the sexual predators who DON'T look at porn. Many don't. I'm not sure how keeping me from posting to twitter in public is going to make the world safer for anyone. LMAO. Whatever.

        We can just look at the bright side. All of my fellow Americans who LIKE these kinds of actions will be fully getting their way very soon. Unfortunately - it will take the rest of us who actually fought it in the first place to pull their stupid little asses out of the ringer when they can't lift a finger without permission to do so. Or we can just keep em herded up nice and tight so we don't have to put up with em voting any more.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      you can't just do that anywhere and not risk arrest. It's much less likely to happen in a library than it is in a public park - should we ban those, too? Better ban mall parking lots as well.
      We're not actually talking about banning libraries, I believe we were talking about banning pornography in libraries. And if you can get arrested for exposing yourself and masturbating in public, why is it any different when you bring it up on a computer screen for everyone to see?

      It's a public venue. There's no such thing as complete freedom when you're in a public place. There are these things called rules and laws, and they're not just put in place as a conspiracy to limit your rights. There are actual purposes for them.

      And yes people being caught masturbating in public libraries happens all of the time, especially if they allow pornography on their computers.

      Remember that guy who got caught masturbating in the public library? So does the local news, and it's sentencing time... - CollegeHumor video

      I'm the last person that would want to ban any sort of reading material, but this is pornography. Pornography serves only one purpose, and that's to stimulate you sexually. And as a "pro active parent" I'll vote to keep sexual stimulants out of the public library.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I can't see both sides. This is not just porn they censor. When I was on the road there were certain things I couldn't do because I wasn't "allowed" to and they had nothing to do with porn or adult content.

      In many places the books 1984 and Lord of the Flies have been banned from schools - we used to study them as classics and as important political commentary. Now we're not allowed to think?

      All this censorship crap going around is BS. I had a mother and don't need someone else acting to "protect" me from sensitive ideas. While I do approve of filtering some computers for kids, I believe that adults should still claim their freedoms of autonomy and speech and it is just abhorrent to me that anyone would try to tell me what I am allowed and not allowed to see. Right now it's porn and chat, and all social sites -- later the porn crucifiers will find their own religious material or other very vital interests on that list and will cry big tears over it because all of the sudden it is what THEY want that is being restricted. That's the beauty of rights - people either are left to theirs or sooner or later your own go out the window.........whether YOU like what others are doing or not.......in the USA the way we were meant to be, what others wanted to look at wasn't any of your F---ing business anyway.

      I think we need to put a stop to censorship of material to ANYONE who is not a minor.
      Well said. I couldn't agree with you more !
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Gary - computers for the adults can be positioned so that passers-by aren't seeing what you are doing. Yes we all know what porn looks like. I HATE porn. But it's none of my business if YOU want to look at it and as far as someone sitting and "spanking their monkey" there are public decency laws, you can't just do that anywhere and not risk arrest. It's much less likely to happen in a library than it is in a public park - should we ban those, too? Better ban mall parking lots as well. You better start monitoring the whole world because there isn't anywhere that your kid is safe from that stuff. Having adult restricted computers in the library isn't going to risk your kid any more than they are any other place on this globe. You are just making excuses why YOUR will should dominate.

    I also don't like the insinuation that wanting to read or post on a social site means I am foaming over porn. I was not able to update my twitter account at all while on the road because of a library "filter". I've never looked at or posted porn on that once but need to be monitored...just in case? I suppose you are also in favor of their little policies to keep records for DHS of EVERY book you check out whether it is porn or not.

    Our rights were spelled out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights just to save us from such subjective thinking. You don't like porn so it shouldn't be allowed - but, as I pointed out, once you take that right, you have set precedence for ANY right to be taken from you.

    I, myself, stopped checking out books when the gov started acquiring lists of books people checked out. It's violation of my privacy and really just plain not anybody else's business what I choose to read and I feel the same about my choice of internet activities. Just because the guy next door is a pervert doesn't give someone the right to stick their nose into my life.

    Oh - and another thing - you have to sign to use the computer. If something happened to a kid in the community, going back over websites certain people visited might actually give clues to who the community pervert might have been. Ya'd think people so worried about whose gonna touch their kids would be liking that advantage.
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    Steve - you're going to see more books banned, too - not only that but the definition of fascism is being changed in Webster's so people won't be brilliant enough to see through the smoke screen. And ya know what is really SICK --- You will always have people stupid enough to cheer, stomp their feet, and wave flags as their freedoms fall because they aren't able to make an objective deduction of what the act will lead to in the future. Neitchzie would love it.

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I want to be able to let my kids roam the library without having to worry about whether or not some horny old geezer is spanking his monkey on the computer near them.
      Why is it every time someone wants to take away another one of our rights or freedom it's always to protect the children?
      So instead of being a good pro active parent we should just outlaw everything so the parents can be lazy and let the schools and government raise our kids.

      When was the last time you actually saw an old geezer spanking his monkey in the public library?
      Also when I'm in a library reading a book I don't want a bunch of little rug rats roaming around disturbing me.

      The library isn't the playground where you let your kids roam around.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by shadrokclifford View Post

          never recommended, as people go to library for quality reading.
          Hay no post wonder, posts don't count in the OT and nobodies paying any attention to your sig links.
          Go to the other forums and contribute something.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Why is it every time someone wants to take away another one of our rights or freedom it's always to protect the children?
        So instead of being a good pro active parent we should just outlaw everything so the parents can be lazy and let the schools and government raise our kids.

        When was the last time you actually saw an old geezer spanking his monkey in the public library?
        Also when I'm in a library reading a book I don't want a bunch of little rug rats roaming around disturbing me.

        The library isn't the playground where you let your kids roam around.
        Actually just last week the arrest some guy in the st. pete library because he was in there acting like he was on the computer but he was really watching the little kids running around and roughing up the suspect while doing it.

        If you want to beat your meat, i have no problem with that, but the public library is not the place for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        The library isn't the playground where you let your kids roam around.
        It is for SOME! The library is there for the PUBLIC, and many have areas JUST FOR KIDS! Of course, not all kids want to stay THERE!
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          It is for SOME! The library is there for the PUBLIC, and many have areas JUST FOR KIDS! Of course, not all kids want to stay THERE!
          Very true and some have areas just for adults.
          Myself I only use the library when I'm doing "lawyer" stuff.
          Like filing a deed or will, easy stuff that I won't get time for if I screw up
          Other then that if I want to know something quick, well I have a computer.
          If I want a certain book to read I buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    When was the last time you actually saw an old geezer spanking his monkey in the public library?
    Well, gee Thom - where I grew up there was a private adult reading room that kids weren't allowed to even open the door to. It took me all this time to figure out what was goin' on in there. Man I missed a real education somehow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Hell no there shouldnt be porn allowed in public libraries, why is this even a question?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I think that the porn should be kept in the adult areas, strip clubs, adult book stores..etc. places where children arent hanging out. Any library around here on any given day has loads of school kids.

    So lets say we go with the 'locked adult area'...as people tend to do, lets take this to the extreme...what do you think that a locked adult area with porn in it is likely to turn into...?
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    If there is porn at the library - then its no longer the library
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Banning things from the public library is not censorship. If tax payers don't want to fund porn in the libararies, that should be our choice. I don't want to pay for others' vices.

    Just go to the porn shops, dirty book stores and peep shows, or get your own computer/connection.

    I'm against our government saying porn should be illegal, which they are not in this case. I'm against it being in public libraries. BIG DIFFERENCE. I also have no problems with libraries banning "hate" books or plans on how to build nukes. Find that stuff out on your own, not with my tax money.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Banning things from the public library is not censorship. If tax payers don't want to fund porn in the libararies, that should be our choice. I don't want to pay for others' vices.

      Just go to the porn shops, dirty book stores and peep shows, or get your own computer/connection.

      I'm against our government saying porn should be illegal, which they are not in this case. I'm against it being in public libraries. BIG DIFFERENCE. I also have no problems with libraries banning "hate" books or plans on how to build nukes. Find that stuff out on your own, not with my tax money.
      Believe it or not, we mostly AGREE there! Of course, I DO like the idea of 1984 being there. BESIDES, 1984 is FREE!!! It is ALREADY in the public domain.

      And the idea of "hate books" is too broad. Some decide to "change history", or remove books like tom sawyer because they consider it HATE SPEECH. HECK, there are LOTS of series on TV denigrating WHITES! Nobody seems to be banning THEM! And GRANTED, many of them are with whites, and written by whites, but many are with and written by blacks.

      I doubt you could find ANY racist that became so because of books like tom sawyer. And I bet some pro black activists read, and liked, it.

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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Nobody bothered to ban islamist militants preaching rascism in the 90's

    Many things don't get banned, many things don't get promoted.

    Porn is not educational, so it doesnt belong in a library anymore than booze belongs in a food parcel.

    Should churches & charities provide free booze & hookers ?

    I wish the salivation army would at least provide hookers - hold outs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't see banning porn in libraries as equal to banning books. I've lived in some small towns where letting the citizens choose what would be allowed would provide a very narrow view of the world in the local library. I've known people who thought National Geographic was too "racy".

      My local library requires a filter for anyone under a certain age on the public computers - and offers the filter for adults who want it. That said, the computer are centrally located and there's no way you would be surfing porn sites without others knowing it.

      I don't care if porn is banned at every library - it has no redeeming qualities. if that's what you want to view on your own computer, no problem. Public computers are paid for with public money.

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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    WOW National Geographic .. this takes me back to the 50's when all they had to jack off to was "National Geographic" & "Womans Weekly".

    Now these vile corrupting publications are to be found everywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Why should the public pay for the porn activities of a few people at the libraries?

    Folks should get their porn elsewhere.

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  • Profile picture of the author addison2015
    it's truth that the involvement of the porn stuffs in the public places or libraries should be avoided.
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