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Unread 30th September 2009, 11:30 AM   #1
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In an age when smoking has been outlawed in most public places government buildings, bars and pool halls a person's home is one of the few places you can puff in peace.
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Woman should be shot. Sick of law suit profiteers. We could clean the country up a lot if we just shot people in the head for initiating law suits for profit. Save resources.

I hope the people she is attempting to steal from turn it around and sue her for everything she'll ever own for malicious prosecution.

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She kind of has a point i suppose. If these were seperate houses, i'd agree with you sal, but they are townhomes, connected to each other. Why should she be forced to breath someone elses second hand smoke and her house/belonging stink from smoking when she doesnt even smoke.
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I'm with Sal, and if I remember what Kurt said in a different thread,those that file frivolous lawsuits should get the penatly they were trying to get the other person.
If she sues and loses, let her pay the people she sued restitution. Granted, she probably doesn't have the 6 million she is suing for, but I'm sure she has some figure that would hurt her enough to stop her from bulling BS like this again.

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I would think that if anyone were going to be sued, it would be the home builders
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She doesn't like smoke so she should be shot?

That's too harsh.

I don't think she has to bring a lawsuit. Smoke stinks. Yes, you can do it. I used to. But once it starts affecting the air that I breathe - you are taking away MY choice to breathe clean air.

Why the hell should I be made to live with somebody else's smoke. I used to live in a duplex and the old man on the other side of the wall smoked like a chimney - and he was on oxygen.

Anyway, OUR side smelled like smoke. That's bull.

So, one day I yelled through the wall, "why don't you just hurry up and die" Not a nice thing to say, and I felt bad. But within two weeks his wife had him in a nursing home.

I know, it was the Nazis and Fascists who started out by banning smoking, and if we do it we're only one step away from being herded into cattle trucks.

Here's what it comes down...

Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to clean air.

Get a grip.

Not every every single subject is about the NWO taking control of everything we do.

And, no, VISUAL computer porn should NOT be allowed in libraries. That's not violating the Constitution - as stated by the Supreme Court many times. The SCOTUS has Constitutional authority, like it or not, they do.

I'm glad I don't live in a mental world where everybody, and every decision is designed to get me.

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No, bringing a lawsuit is too much. Perhaps talking to the neighbor, and reaching a mutual decision would be possible. But I know how some smokers react. As soon as someone says they don't like them smoking, the smoker goes out of their way to expose the complainer to MORE smoke. Sorry, but that's just rude.

I used to be a considerate smoker. I was never offended if a non-smoker didn't like my smoking. Heck, if I wanted a smoke, I didn't care if I had to go outside, or to my car, or wherever.

Smoking sucks. It's a bad habit.

On the other hand, too many non-smokers think it's their place to tell smokers of all the dangers and tell them to quit. I don't like that either, and I don't do it.

The issue here is that you have two people intruding on each other's enjoyment of life. How can a COURT decide whose life is more important? They can't. Should make for a set of interesting "legal" arguments from the attornies on both sides.

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Woman should be shot. Sick of law suit profiteers. We could clean the country up a lot if we just shot people in the head for initiating law suits for profit. Save resources.

I hope the people she is attempting to steal from turn it around and sue her for everything she'll ever own for malicious prosecution.
I think such lawsuits are foolish, but if we started shooting people for being idiots, there wouldn't be too many people left.

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Yeah, the fact is that she was NOT smoking in her own home. PERIOD!!!!!!! She was smoking in the compartment of a building that OTHERS lived in AS WELL!!!!!!

Heck, Smoking gives me a headache, hurts my eyes, leaves a bad taste in my mouth, makes me and my clothes STINK, and gets in EVERYTHING! EVEN my lungs(hours later I can smell clean hands, wash my mouth, brush my teeth, , breath hard on them and smell the smoke!) There is really NO way to clean it up! NONE! I have NEVER seen it done! My father smoked in my car ONCE, because I went a LONG distance to get it, he cosigned, and I figured "how bad could one smoke be?". Well, it took THREE YEARS for the smoke to dissipate so that it smelled ALMOST clean. STILL, even when I sold it over a DECADE later, hot days would bring back the smell.

So why should ANYONE have to put up with that garbage?

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Must admit I saw this coming. The fact that they are townhouses connected to each other makes it a little more understandable, since it's easier for the smoke to drift from one home to the next. C'mon smokers; if you don't want to quit, at least switch to chewing tobacco. That, at least, won't violate someone else's airspace and bring a lawsuit like this down on your own head.

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Those smoking assholes need their butts kicked and they need to kick their butts

I hate arrogant smokers polluting my air - i dont blame this lady - she should have shot the smokers in the butt - sue them all to hell.

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A Way ago Michael.. Last Saturday my wife and I were visiting a family of 5 in the goat section of the State Fair where they were showing. All of a sudden all of us stopped talking and began glancing around for the source of a horrible smell. Even the goats stopped prancing around and reared up to look around. One of the women went to look and came back with a look of disgust.. "Someone, 2 aisles over there was smoking."

Over the trash, dirt and goat poop we smelled his smoke.

We had a work party once to paint this smoker's apartment. We scrubbed as best we could -- then painted. Weeks later the paint ran, smoke debris on the walls was so thick and slick paint would not stick.

The old song said it best: "Smoke gets in your eyes." Smoke also gets in your eyes, on your hair, on your walls, on your clothes, on your bedding, and that's from two closed-doors over.

I sure don't agree with no lawsuit.. were millions mentioned? .. I don't agree with ANY sized lawsuit UNLESS there are mitigating circumstances we aren't aware of here, like maybe there is a contract that smoking would not be indulged in there -- or something like that. .

But this I have observed repeatedly.. smokers want to smear the environment for the rest of us. I look at the youth picking up this filthy habit on purpose and they are on a roll -- when they throw a cigarette down they will grin if they get to watch someone else have to pick it up. At service stations I have watched young people pull away from the trash cans at the pumps, go out to the perimeter of the property, stop the vehicle and empty their ash trays onto the pavement for someone else to pick up. It isn't just the young kids.. You go into a bar that allows smoking and the urinals are full of butts deliberately flung there since the bar opened that morning.

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This is a stupid lawsuit - and it's not about what people "think" of smoking or non-smoking.

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A manager and attorney for Estancia Townhomes, a 52-building community near Prestonwood Country Club in North Dallas, said it's unlikely the Daniels sustained any smoke damage. There is a solid, two-hour fire wall from the foundation to the roof between each of the homes.



And even if some smell did seep through, the Daniels renewed their lease at Estancia where smoking is permitted six months after they say the problem began.
Fire wall makes it hard to believe smoke "wafts through" - and if it was such a problem, why stay?

What's next - don't cook cabbage because it stinks? (I don't cook it - but it does stink). Don't cook with curry because it smells funny?

Stay 6 months - renew - and sue for 6 figures. Not someone I'd want to live next to. When someone pays rent on a property - that doesn't give them control over others paying rent.

I grew up in a time when smoking was done everywhere you went - and in all those years I only heard TWO people complain about being "allergic". Isn't it odd that when smoking becomes politically incorrect - so many people are suddenly "allergic"?

I agree it doesn't smell good - and we know it's bad for health. However, many people seem determined to tell others how to live - and to me that's worse than smoking.

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I'm not allergic, but it has a nasty way of staying on everything it touches.

As I said, I don't think there should be a lawsuit.

If I am a guest in a smoker's home, then I say nothing - it's their home, I'm the guest. But if a smoker comes to my house, they know they have to step outside. No big deal.

But when BOTH people feel they are at home, then it gets tricky. Who has the right to do what. The smokers has the right to smoke in the privacy of their home. But the non-smoker has the right to keep their air clear.

The best thing would be to discuss the issue like two adults. Perhaps the smoker could find a comfy place to smoke that was a little further away from the shared wall. And maybe the non-smoker could do something on their own side to reduce the odor from coming through.

A lot of smokers ARE rude, and they deserve EVERY law that makes it harder for them to smoke.

A lot of non-smokers ARE rude, and they deserve to be told to get off their high horse and mind their own business.

For the polite smokers and non-smokers, simple, curteous, and understanding dialogue can go a long, long way.

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I think such lawsuits are foolish, but if we started shooting people for being idiots, there wouldn't be too many people left.

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Yep...now you're catching on. Mike - read that article. That woman wasn't inconvenienced by smoke, she's trying to hitch a ride on the free train.

Okay - if someone smokes in their own place and you don't like it - then move. Period. Don't like that? You know what I hate? I hate people dosing themselves out on pharms then their pharms leak into the public drinking water. I think I'll sue everyone who eats pharms that is hooked to my water supplies. Crazy? It's the same thing. So if that f---king bitch can sue for smoke, I can sue for people eating pharms.

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Whats a pharm ?

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Whats a pharm ?
It is used to mean drug, drugstore, or the drug/chemical industry. We call an old style drugstore a pharmacy. TODAY, pharmacy usually refers to a small store that may or may not include a pharmacy, and a pharmacy refers to where controlled or prescription, drugs are dispensed. CVS, for example, is a drugstore, and some of them DON'T have pharmacies. GO FIGURE!

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This is a stupid lawsuit - and it's not about what people "think" of smoking or non-smoking.



Fire wall makes it hard to believe smoke "wafts through" - and if it was such a problem, why stay?

What's next - don't cook cabbage because it stinks? (I don't cook it - but it does stink). Don't cook with curry because it smells funny?

Stay 6 months - renew - and sue for 6 figures. Not someone I'd want to live next to. When someone pays rent on a property - that doesn't give them control over others paying rent.

I grew up in a time when smoking was done everywhere you went - and in all those years I only heard TWO people complain about being "allergic". Isn't it odd that when smoking becomes politically incorrect - so many people are suddenly "allergic"?

I agree it doesn't smell good - and we know it's bad for health. However, many people seem determined to tell others how to live - and to me that's worse than smoking.

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Gareth, in the context in which I used "pharms" - it means pharmaceutical drugs. People are eating them so much now that they are leaching into water supplies so you are in effect taking all the drugs that everyone around you eats when you have a glass of water. They aren't filtering that crap out yet, but in more highly populated areas the ppms just keep getting more concentrated. Wanna do someone elses heart pills or psychological drugs?

I was serious - if someone can sue me for smoking in my own home, I want the right to sue for eating daily pharms. Keep that crap to themselves and out of MY water.

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What's next - don't cook cabbage because it stinks? (I don't cook it - but it does stink). Don't cook with curry because it smells funny?
There's the mans solution...

Every day, cook something with a really horrid odor. Then the neighbors will stop complaining about the smell of smoke

I quit smoking 10 years ago. When I did smoke, I used to go outside. Even when I lived alone. It didn't totally get rid of the smell (clothes, etc.) it DID cut it down, and it stopped throwing nicotine stains all over everything (ewww!)
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From my past experience as a maintenance supervisor at two apartment complexes this sent up a red flag.
Normally when people pull this kind of crap it is so they can brake their lease without any penalties.
This sounds like she wants a lot more like a new rent free place and all her furniture redone, tricky lady.
Like the article said, most people who are sensitive to smoke don't move into apartment complexes that allow smoking.
So regardless of the smoking allowed rule she moved in anyways because she wanted to live there.
If a smoker moved into a non smoking apartment would they be able to sue also simply because they wanted to live there?

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I can totally understand being upset by smoke coming into their home, but in my opinion they are targeting the wrong people, and a lawsuit is the wrong way to go about it. It would be better if they got the home builders to fix the place so that the smoke no longer went into others homes.
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This is a stupid lawsuit - and it's not about what people "think" of smoking or non-smoking.



Fire wall makes it hard to believe smoke "wafts through" - and if it was such a problem, why stay?

What's next - don't cook cabbage because it stinks? (I don't cook it - but it does stink). Don't cook with curry because it smells funny?

Stay 6 months - renew - and sue for 6 figures. Not someone I'd want to live next to. When someone pays rent on a property - that doesn't give them control over others paying rent.

I grew up in a time when smoking was done everywhere you went - and in all those years I only heard TWO people complain about being "allergic". Isn't it odd that when smoking becomes politically incorrect - so many people are suddenly "allergic"?

I agree it doesn't smell good - and we know it's bad for health. However, many people seem determined to tell others how to live - and to me that's worse than smoking.

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A firewall is a thick partition to SLOW DOWN FIRE! It does NOTHING for smoke. And I have YET to see a system that is 100% airtight, etc....

So you think she should have moved a day or so before sensing the smoke? That is a NEAT trick! PLEASE tell me how to do that!

And HOW do you figure the SMOKER wasn't telling the NON smoker how to live? She WAS!!!!!!

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Those smoking assholes need their butts kicked and they need to kick their butts

I hate arrogant smokers polluting my air - i dont blame this lady - she should have shot the smokers in the butt - sue them all to hell.
how many cars do you own?
if you own more than one..you're polluting my air...I'm an ex-smoker...I quit cold-turkey 2 years ago and have never looked back...but I'm sick to death of people picking on smokers...yet those same people drive SUV's, run gas snow-blowers, or lawn-movers, and they think they are so morally superior to a smoker...please!

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My disgust with this and similar stories is the "I'm holier than thou" attitude. To me, it's another example of the entitlement mentality that says everything must conform to what "I" want and "I" shouldn't be inconvenienced. What happens is that it is carried to ridiculous extremes and I think that happened in this case.

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Last week, movers wearing surgical masks loaded trucks with their belongings.

The Daniels said furniture will need to be reupholstered, artwork restored and closets full of clothing dry cleaned. The bills are still piling up.
Oh please - are the movers also all allergic? Or could we be putting on a show? She's laying it on a little thick, don't you think?

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Chris Daniel also filed a complaint under the Texas Fair Housing Act, alleging that her sensitivity to cigarette smoke qualifies her for protection set aside for people with disabilities.
So it seems taxpayers are also going to be on the hook for these "allergies"? Will every public place she visits have to make arrangements for her presence? Or does she just want a check every month?

This woman is definitely not someone I'd want to know.

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Hahahaha sorry, let me gather myself for a minute, completely taken hostage by fit of giggles... ah there thats better lol.

Ok, my thoughts on this, the main problem that I see with all these sorts of things is constitutional infringement. We are getting to the stage where rights are being infringed upon constantly, and laws are being made to govern people's actions when common sense should prevail (god forbid). If you fall over a crack in the sidewalk, sue the council because it's their fault that the crack was there and you shouldn't have to watch where your own feet are going lol. Ok, end of rant lol.

Thats the broad picture for me. How does this relate to this case? Well, in this case you have a woman suing someone else for smoking. Whos rights are stronger? It has been suggested that people should not have to breathe other people's second hand smoke, well who can tell what concentration smoke has after mixing with the air? How much damage can it do to someone in another block? Yes the smell may be unpleasant and this I think is fair. But could they not try and work a sensible way around it? Designating a smoking area? Where do all these things stop and who is to say that someone doesn't have the right to smoke and why oh why do these things always have to end up in court. If the landlord has okayed this and the other tenant doesn't agree, they have the right to move if the conditions there aren't acceptable to them. Now I'm not saying that this should be the case, but hopefully you see my point about rights. The person who is smoking has the right to smoke in their own place surely, and the other person has the right not to have a smoke smelling house.

The facts on second hand smoke are sketchy at best, so I don't think you can really turn this into a health issue, it comes down to rights. The implications being more legislation- the far reaching implications being the erosion of people's constitutional rights.
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But this I have observed repeatedly.. smokers want to smear the environment for the rest of us. I look at the youth picking up this filthy habit on purpose and they are on a roll -- when they throw a cigarette down they will grin if they get to watch someone else have to pick it up. At service stations I have watched young people pull away from the trash cans at the pumps, go out to the perimeter of the property, stop the vehicle and empty their ash trays onto the pavement for someone else to pick up. It isn't just the young kids.. You go into a bar that allows smoking and the urinals are full of butts deliberately flung there since the bar opened that morning.
Ok, would just like to point that you are generalising here. I am a smoker, but I am a polite smoker. If I light up, I make sure that I am not lighting up around people who might not wish to be around my smoke ie. non-smokers, and I throw my butts in the bin. Just as with any category of person, there are always those who will give the others a bad name, and just because some people are stupid does not mean that all the people in that category should be tainted by the stupidity of a few.
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But this I have observed repeatedly.. smokers want to smear the environment for the rest of us. I look at the youth picking up this filthy habit on purpose and they are on a roll -- when they throw a cigarette down they will grin if they get to watch someone else have to pick it up. At service stations I have watched young people pull away from the trash cans at the pumps, go out to the perimeter of the property, stop the vehicle and empty their ash trays onto the pavement for someone else to pick up. It isn't just the young kids.. You go into a bar that allows smoking and the urinals are full of butts deliberately flung there since the bar opened that morning.
Oh hell, I didn't even see this.

Yes this is so much more disgusting than all those fast food containers floating around our streets - and dirty baby diapers being left at campsites and lakes.


This is where I get just royally pissed off.

If you are a non smoker and are fat - don't even approach me with your lard ass and tell me about MY health.
If you drive a car, use propane, burn wood or charcoal - don't appraoch me about MY smoke.
If you dump your trash on the side of the road I'd just as soon put a bullet through your forehead than listen to your chemically intoxicated mouth harping at me because I smoke.
If you take pharms - you need to go find someone else's water supply to pollute.
If you clean with toxic chemicals, just do us all a favor and quit because you are destroying our planet.

I'm am just sick of listening to every non-smoker on the planet harping on me about how to run MY life. If you don't like my smoke - stay the F--- AWAY from me and shut your pretentious, self righteous mouth. I don't wanna listen to it. Strap on a backpack and come climbing with me some day. It's okay you self satisfied twit - you can grab a rock anywhere. I'll have a couple of smokes when I get to the top and pick your tired healthy little rear end back up where you landed on my way back down.
And NO - I'm not gonna carry your backpack for you. Cripes all mighty --get a freakin' life or go buy your own corner of the planet where you can rule as you want to.

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When you move into an apartment, you know that your neighbors live really close to you. This woman should have realized that her neighbor might be a smoker, especially if the property-owner allowed it. She could have chosen to live somewhere where she didn't share a wall with her neighbor. She could have moved into a house, or even in a rural area if smoking bothers her so bad.

In my opinion, the whole smokers vs. non-smokers issue all comes down to a matter of choice. If a restaurant allows smoking, fire one up after the meal. The non-smokers can choose a non-smoking restaurant.

On the other hand, if a smoker wants to go see a Denver Broncos game at Mile High Stadium, he/she should not be allowed to smoke because there is only one place to go see a Broncos game in Denver - there is no other choice.

Before moving in, this lady should have asked the property owner if smoking was allowed in the apartments. Then she could make her choice whether to move in or not. But, somehow I doubt that's the real issue here...ten bucks says this ain't her first frivolous lawsuit.

Another ten bucks says that, no matter the outcome of this case, all rental leases will now include language that states that you understand that your neighbor might be a smoker and we cannot be held liable for any discomfort this causes you.

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Gareth, in the context in which I used "pharms" - it means pharmaceutical drugs. People are eating them so much now that they are leaching into water supplies so you are in effect taking all the drugs that everyone around you eats when you have a glass of water. They aren't filtering that crap out yet, but in more highly populated areas the ppms just keep getting more concentrated. Wanna do someone elses heart pills or psychological drugs?

I was serious - if someone can sue me for smoking in my own home, I want the right to sue for eating daily pharms. Keep that crap to themselves and out of MY water.

not even distilling would get that out - right ?

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Hahahaha sorry, let me gather myself for a minute, completely taken hostage by fit of giggles... ah there thats better lol.

Ok, my thoughts on this, the main problem that I see with all these sorts of things is constitutional infringement. We are getting to the stage where rights are being infringed upon constantly, and laws are being made to govern people's actions when common sense should prevail (god forbid). If you fall over a crack in the sidewalk, sue the council because it's their fault that the crack was there and you shouldn't have to watch where your own feet are going lol. Ok, end of rant lol.

Thats the broad picture for me. How does this relate to this case? Well, in this case you have a woman suing someone else for smoking. Whos rights are stronger? It has been suggested that people should not have to breathe other people's second hand smoke, well who can tell what concentration smoke has after mixing with the air? How much damage can it do to someone in another block? Yes the smell may be unpleasant and this I think is fair. But could they not try and work a sensible way around it? Designating a smoking area? Where do all these things stop and who is to say that someone doesn't have the right to smoke and why oh why do these things always have to end up in court. If the landlord has okayed this and the other tenant doesn't agree, they have the right to move if the conditions there aren't acceptable to them. Now I'm not saying that this should be the case, but hopefully you see my point about rights. The person who is smoking has the right to smoke in their own place surely, and the other person has the right not to have a smoke smelling house.

The facts on second hand smoke are sketchy at best, so I don't think you can really turn this into a health issue, it comes down to rights. The implications being more legislation- the far reaching implications being the erosion of people's constitutional rights.
As for second hand smoke, let me assuage your doubts. it is FACT!!!!!!!! IT HURTS! I may not appear to have lung cancer, etc... yet, but the other stuff is SO debilitating that I might as well have. I don't care WHAT the percentage is! If it is harmful, it is harmful!

And frankly, I RESENT some IDIOT telling me that because some stupid doctor hasn't found THOUSANDS that admit to being like I am, and has written some report reviewed and approved by other doctors, that I am somehow LYING! I have been this way for as long as I can remember. My mother quit because she couldn't afford buying cigarettes, because I kept hiding them! And they have funds set aside to pay the idiots that smoked and damaged their lungs, but not a PENNY to others that were INNOCENT!

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not even distilling would get that out - right ?
Distilling solids out of the water is FAR easier than distilling liquids. For liquids, you would have to distill at precisely 212degrees fahrenheit. For solids, any sane temperature would be fine.

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Hmmm smoke from cars etc. is bad for your health too (and it stinks) so i think, next in line for a lawsued (in usa) is people who has a car, they get a lawsued from one who has a window (and that person has not a car ofcourse) open in hers/hes home and one of the neighbours park/start, hes/hers car out on the street near the open window ...... many complaines about people who smoke but many of these people who complaine drive in cars them self, so what is best/bad ? smoke from a car or a cigaret ...... just my 2 cent.

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Sal, simmer down.

Killing people, shooting them in the head?

C'mon.

Calling me a lard ass.

In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, those types of comments are a big part of the problem.

Why should the non-smoker have to move? Why not the smoker? Why anybody? You are clearly saying smokers have more rights than non-smokers. That doesn't make any sense. And is very surprising coming from you. Someone who thinks everyone has to use natural remedies for everything. Thinks people should take care of their health.

Maybe people who want to shoot people in the forehead are the ones we need to lock up. You say you don't like the self-righteous attitude of these people, BUT that is EXACTLY what you're doing - just from the other side.

I don't mean to get so personal, but you normally don't come across as violent. Opinionated, yes. (Which is a good thing) Violent...unacceptable.

So, take a deep breath and calm down a bit, the stress isn't good for anyone.

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Don't tell ME, or ANYONE how to be healthy if you SMOKE.

Don't tell me what I can eat, what medications I can take, how to exercise, what water to drink, or what type of medical professional to see - IF you smoke.

I didn't know you were a smoker, but now that I know - EVERY piece of health-related advice you have given or will give doesn't hold water.

Obviously you must know that smoking isn't good for you. You are introducing all kinds of chemicals into your body, not natural things, chemicals. Surely someone who knows everything about being healthy has to know smoking isn't the best thing you can do.

I'm not telling you to quit. Smoking is your choice. You can smoke if you like, but don't turn around and tell other people how to be healthy if you choose to do it.

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Hmmm smoke from cars etc. is bad for your health too (and it stinks) so i think, next in line for a lawsued (in usa) is people who has a car, they get a lawsued from one who has a window (and that person has not a car ofcourse) open in hers/hes home and one of the neighbours park/start, hes/hers car out on the street near the open window ...... many complaines about people who smoke but many of these people who complaine drive in cars them self, so what is best/bad ? smoke from a car or a cigaret ...... just my 2 cent.
Some places in the US DO require private people/companies to get vehicles "smogged". Failure to do so can lead to fines and potentially, in the end, even jail. That has been the case for quite a while though. California does that.

BTW cars usually MOVE, so the concentration doesn't get that high.

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If you are a non smoker and are fat - don't even approach me with your lard ass and tell me about MY health.
I, for one, get stressed out, and want to EAT. Sadly, most of the "food" available is GARBAGE! So I gained weight! Also, I couldn't exercise much AT ALL until recently. But HEY, I lost 35 pounds, and hope to be at my ideal weight by this time next year. But HEY, if you want to kill YOURSELF, I DON'T CARE!

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If you drive a car, use propane, burn wood or charcoal - don't appraoch me about MY smoke.
I drive a car to get around. That is EXPECTED in the US. Propane burns pretty cleanly! Clean wood isn't that bad. I only used charcoal for BBQs!

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If you dump your trash on the side of the road I'd just as soon put a bullet through your forehead than listen to your chemically intoxicated mouth harping at me because I smoke.
I agree, and I DON'T do that!

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If you take pharms - you need to go find someone else's water supply to pollute.
I don't even take ASPIRIN! I take warfarin and metoprolol NOW because of my aorta.

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If you clean with toxic chemicals, just do us all a favor and quit because you are destroying our planet.
I try to stay away from that.

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I'm am just sick of listening to every non-smoker on the planet harping on me about how to run MY life. If you don't like my smoke - stay the F--- AWAY from me and shut your pretentious, self righteous mouth. I don't wanna listen to it. Strap on a backpack and come climbing with me some day. It's okay you self satisfied twit - you can grab a rock anywhere. I'll have a couple of smokes when I get to the top and pick your tired healthy little rear end back up where you landed on my way back down.
And NO - I'm not gonna carry your backpack for you. Cripes all mighty --get a freakin' life or go buy your own corner of the planet where you can rule as you want to.
Why don't YOU move? Nobody cares if you smoke! We just don't want to breath it in, or be affected by fires, etc....

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STEVE -

I don't give a rat's ass if you're fat. Not my problem. But if you're 350 pounds and waddle up to me and get in my face about cigarettes, you are waaayyy out of line - and you wouldn't believe how often that happens.

As far as fires - use electricity? Cook in your home? I'm worried about how careful YOU are, too. Look at all the Xmas fires that non-smokers cause. Fires are just another cop out. Just because someone smokes doesn't mean they are careless. People who are careless come both in smoking and non-smoking varieties. Look at all the forest fires caused by people driving those little 4 wheelers.

Yellow walls? I've seen people who don't smoke who are filthy enough I won't go in their homes, too. I never have yellow walls - it's called HOUSE CLEANING. A pig is a pig if they have a stoggie dangling from their mouth or not. I have pet allergies and have been in one hell of a lot of homes that don't clean well enough and the pet dander is an actual danger to my health. So what do I tell them - get rid of your animals?

The point of my rage is.......
Number one - I don't see a lot of people healthy enough to tell me how to live.
Number two - You don't go out of your way to avoid my smoke then don't tell me to go out of my way not to smoke.
Number three - If you think you don't pollute because you don't smoke, you're just plain stupid.
Number four - Smokers aren't any more rude than non-smokers are. If you expect people to go out of their way for you when you aren't willing to do the same - well ya already saw my answer to that. If the woman in question in this thread was so damned sensitive to smoke - why the heck didn't she move to a non-smoking community? There are plenty out there.....but no....she wanted to live THERE and then just tell everyone else how they are going to live. That's just plain BS walking and there's no way around it - she's a con aritst and I hope she gets the pants sued off her.

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STEVE -

I don't give a rat's ass if you're fat. Not my problem. But if you're 350 pounds and waddle up to me and get in my face about cigarettes, you are waaayyy out of line - and you wouldn't believe how often that happens.
Well, I NEVER weighed 350, and don't waddle. Still, why should they put up with YOU making things WORSE!?!?

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As far as fires - use electricity? Cook in your home? I'm worried about how careful YOU are, too. Look at all the Xmas fires that non-smokers cause.
Actually, in the US, xmas doesn't make fires more likely for non smokers.

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Fires are just another cop out. Just because someone smokes doesn't mean they are careless. People who are careless come both in smoking and non-smoking varieties. Look at all the forest fires caused by people driving those little 4 wheelers.
Well, cigarette smokers generally have cigarettes and some lighting device, so they must exercise MORE care. If they are JUST as careless as non smokers, they have a GREATER chance of starting a fire.

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Yellow walls? I've seen people who don't smoke who are filthy enough I won't go in their homes, too. I never have yellow walls - it's called HOUSE CLEANING. A pig is a pig if they have a stoggie dangling from their mouth or not. I have pet allergies and have been in one hell of a lot of homes that don't clean well enough and the pet dander is an actual danger to my health. So what do I tell them - get rid of your animals?
I never mentioned yellow walls, but dirty WHITE walls are JUST as dirty. You CAN'T clean up smoke!

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The point of my rage is.......
Number one - I don't see a lot of people healthy enough to tell me how to live.
MAN, what a dumb statement. So NOBODY can bring up imperfections because NOBODY is perfect? So why do you do ANYTHING!?!?!?

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Number two - You don't go out of your way to avoid my smoke then don't tell me to go out of my way not to smoke.
I go WAY out of my way! Just last monday, I went to the mall. There were a couple of IDIOTS blocking the way and smoking cigarettes. I held my breath for better than a minute to wade through it. Inside, I was huffing and puffing to get air back into my lungs. I RESENT having to do that. I guess YOU think I should circle around until I see a clear door, or just go home, huh?

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Number three - If you think you don't pollute because you don't smoke, you're just plain stupid.
By SOMEBODYS view, we ALL pollute. What's your point? HEY, I HAVE to breath! I have to do other things any creature here does.

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Number four - Smokers aren't any more rude than non-smokers are. If you expect people to go out of their way for you when you aren't willing to do the same - well ya already saw my answer to that.
YEAH, and you just declared that first sentence to be MYTH!

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If the woman in question in this thread was so damned sensitive to smoke - why the heck didn't she move to a non-smoking community? There are plenty out there.....but no....she wanted to live THERE and then just tell everyone else how they are going to live. That's just plain BS walking and there's no way around it - she's a con aritst and I hope she gets the pants sued off her.

It doesn't give someone a right to rule YOUR life because they don't like what you do.
You ever really think about what is involved in moving?

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If the woman in question in this thread was so damned sensitive to smoke - why the heck didn't she move to a non-smoking community? There are plenty out there.....but no....she wanted to live THERE and then just tell everyone else how they are going to live. That's just plain BS walking and there's no way around it - she's a con aritst and I hope she gets the pants sued off her.

It doesn't give someone a right to rule YOUR life because they don't like what you do.

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You ever really think about what is involved in moving?"

Exactly, so why move twice? Like the question that was asked:Why didn't she just move into a non smoking living situation.
By the way, I don't buy her story for a minute. Just another money loving freeloader imo.

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If the woman in question in this thread was so damned sensitive to smoke - why the heck didn't she move to a non-smoking community? There are plenty out there.....but no....she wanted to live THERE and then just tell everyone else how they are going to live. That's just plain BS walking and there's no way around it - she's a con aritst and I hope she gets the pants sued off her.

It doesn't give someone a right to rule YOUR life because they don't like what you do.

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You ever really think about what is involved in moving?"

Exactly, so why move twice? Like the question that was asked:Why didn't she just move into a non smoking living situation.
By the way, I don't buy her story for a minute. Just another money loving freeloader imo.
Yeah, I don't know the specifics there. One person CLAIMED they were ISOLATED, but to TRULY do that would require DIFFERENT ductwork, a DIFFERENT AC/HEATING unit, a SEALED common wall, etc... I have NEVER seen such an animal, or even heard of it, and it gets rid of any benefits from having them separate, so I don't buy THAT. Still, I am arguing what I know about how it can proliferate, be hard to clean up, hurt people, etc.... I doubt any of us could cover the SPECIFICS. We haven't been there, and articles are likely to be tainted.

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Steve -- you have become so contrarian that you will argue anything to the point that you completely lose site of the logic involved. Is all you talk for is to see if you can WIN?

YES - non-smokers cause fires. ESPECIALLY at Christmas. Don't take my word for it. GO to your local fire department and ask them. ALso find out it wasn't smoking - it was DRINKING that caused the accident.

Stupid statement eh? NO IF you are not perfect you are not free to nag me to the point I want to put your teeth down your throat about MY imperfections. Exactly who the f--- do you think you are that I have to listen to your view of my life if I don't wanna hear it? I'd think you'd better spend your time reflecting on your own faults than to make yourself into a nagging fly over mine - I'll swat a fly that nags me.

Counterdictory? No - I go out of my way in many places at many times to keep my smoke out of other people's faces - I wish that they would be as considerate about going out of their way not to run their mouths at me about what they think about my smoke. I hate to be nagged and at some point non-smokers all decided it was their right to act like one massive group of PMSing lunatics over smokers. For every point you can make against smoking, there is a point I can make against part of your life, too. I don't do so because it isn't my business. I wish everyone would consider that their first point of argument when flapping their gums at me about my habits.

Yes I KNOW what it takes to move. I do so now and again. The point remains - the bitch moved into a SMOKING complex and if she is sensitive to smoke, she should have been seeking NON-smoking communities instead of barging in then trying to take over. She's a CON artist Steve - and there is no way we need to bend one freaking inch for a CON artist no matter what their angle is or over what predicament. I'd make one big bet she knew she was going to try to sue them when she moved in there to start with. People that hate smoke don't seek out smoking facilities without alterior motives.
Steve - I HAVE moved because I couldn't stand the neighbors. I'll do it again in the same circumstances. Oh wait -- maybe I'll just sue them instead. After all, isn't that the American way? I sure hope I Like my new neighbors music - and kids - and pets. Maybe if they smoke fatties I can get them ARRESTED - now that's REAL power over someone's life! Why spare the chump change when I can have that MUCH CONTROL over someone else!

I'm thinking you are extremely glad you don't live where I live right now -- they hate people who put their noses in everyone else's cracks. We have a non-smoking bar in town. Wanna go to the smoking one across the street and bitch about smoke? You'll probably carry your teeth to the non-smoking one real fast. You're right to take ours ends at the town line out here - just as it should be.

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I couldn't care less about people smoking as long as it doesn't in any way enter my apartment/house. Of course, i wouldn't sue anyone. I would give them a chance to stop smoking in their apartment. If they didn't obey, i would cook the smelliest thing imaginable and put it outside their door. Ideally, i'd put some dog**** in their ventilation system.

Smoke all you want, just don't pollute my air.

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By the way - 60% of lung cancer cases in the US are NON SMOKERS.
A majority of Japanese men smoke - but it is very rare that one gets lung cancer.

You are being led in this issue because it's an easy issue for them to build fear and loathing - it's even been done before and people are still falling for it. One rift through REAL research will show that the backing for this issue is propaganda and not solid based reality - yes, people do die of smoking, but if you check those stats you will see that they are rigged - almost anything that a smoker dies of they will find some darned way to relate it to cause of death.

Once the public is led by the nose far enough that the Gov is allowed to outlaw smoking in your own residences, you will find out what the real motive was. Once this precedence is set, there is NOTHING that they can't tell you you can't do in your own home. You are allowing them to sucker you right out of your freedom of privacy and autonomy. Did people learn thing one from WWII - and I'M the one that was called stupid? I'll save my laugh for the last one, thanks. That's fine and good with me - I like to win, too. But when gov can tell me what to do in my own home, what'd I win?

People better wise up and start choosing their battles very carefully and do it very fast.

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It doesn't give someone a right to rule YOUR life because they don't like what you do.
Then why so quick to to tell others what to do in other threads?

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Exactly right. So why is EVERYTHING a battle for you?

Don't get mad, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I think I'm detecting a lot of hypocrisy. I admit, I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting.

I just think you may be happier, and less stressed if you followed your own advice.

I'm not calling you out - because I'm human too.

Of course each side thinks they're right. The difference is that I don't think I'm MORE right than you.

Again, I know how this post sounds, but it is meant in to sound like it's a caring, friendly tone - not mean, not condescending.

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I'm thinking you are extremely glad you don't live where I live right now -- they hate people who put their noses in everyone else's cracks. We have a non-smoking bar in town. Wanna go to the smoking one across the street and bitch about smoke? You'll probably carry your teeth to the non-smoking one real fast. You're right to take ours ends at the town line out here - just as it should be.
First of all, I don't think I changed here. I HATE smoke. I ALWAYS have! And for GOOD REASON!

And YEP, I am GLAD I don't live near you. I ALSO don't put my nose in ANY cracks!

MOST areas that ban smoking allow bars to continue with smoking and MOST places that can claim bar status DO, and then allow smoking. They lose my business FAST! Don't think I didn't think about reporting all the jerks in LA when people had a $1000 fine, and businesses had a $5000 fine. I DID think about it. NOT to get mney, but to PUNISH. Alas, I didn't.

And people say I'M ACERBIC!?!?!? I couldn't hold a candle to YOU there!

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I couldn't care less about people smoking as long as it doesn't in any way enter my apartment/house. Of course, i wouldn't sue anyone. I would give them a chance to stop smoking in their apartment. If they didn't obey, i would cook the smelliest thing imaginable and put it outside their door. Ideally, i'd put some dog**** in their ventilation system.

Smoke all you want, just don't pollute my air.
MAN, did I ever consider that! I don't mind skunks! I have actually thought about having them in such places. HEY, their warning stomp sounds cute! 8-)

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Wild skunks warn predators and competitors by stomping their front feet and raising their tails in full bloom. Skunks will run directly toward a threat and stop (sometimes within inches), then stomp and hiss or squeal. If the enemy doesn't heed the warnings the skunk will turn and spray. Spotted skunks even do handstands as a warning. Domestic skunks use the same tactics, often as a form of play.

Skunks make various sounds as a warning to enemies and in play. Skunks can screach like a pig and whine when mad, chip like a bird to get attention (especially from other skunks), wimper like a dog when sad or freightened, grumble and grunt when upset, and they even lip-smack when contented. Every skunk will stomp, sometimes very forcefully, when they are upset.
MAN does that sound cute. Maybe you can remove that stripe and trick someone into thinking it is a dog or cat, like pepe le pew! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pep%C3%A9_Le_Pew 8-)

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By the way - 60% of lung cancer cases in the US are NON SMOKERS.
A majority of Japanese men smoke - but it is very rare that one gets lung cancer.

You are being led in this issue because it's an easy issue for them to build fear and loathing - it's even been done before and people are still falling for it. One rift through REAL research will show that the backing for this issue is propaganda and not solid based reality - yes, people do die of smoking, but if you check those stats you will see that they are rigged - almost anything that a smoker dies of they will find some darned way to relate it to cause of death.

Once the public is led by the nose far enough that the Gov is allowed to outlaw smoking in your own residences, you will find out what the real motive was. Once this precedence is set, there is NOTHING that they can't tell you you can't do in your own home. You are allowing them to sucker you right out of your freedom of privacy and autonomy. Did people learn thing one from WWII - and I'M the one that was called stupid? I'll save my laugh for the last one, thanks. That's fine and good with me - I like to win, too. But when gov can tell me what to do in my own home, what'd I win?

People better wise up and start choosing their battles very carefully and do it very fast.
NOW you are saying smoking cures cancer!?!?!?!?! WOW! NICE TRY! Frankly, I hate smoking for what I don't need ANYONE else to confirm to me. ALSO, MANY non smokers, like myself, were CONSTANTLY exposed to cigarette smoke, so such stats as you present are WORTHLESS!!!!! I see an INSTANT 1:1 correlation on MY concerns, so they are FACT! Nobody is there to misreport, skew, etc...

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The 60% doesn't tell us enough.

The following are just examples, to illustrate how meaningless 60% as a raw number is.

Let's say 5% of people get lung cancer. Or, roughly 15,000,000

Let's say 80% of the people are NON-smokers. That's 240,000,000

Of the 15,000,000 that get lung cancer 9,000,000 are NON-smokers.

Okay, that means that 6,000,000 ARE smokers. BUT only 60,000,000 people smoke.

So, looking at smoking and non-smoking populations as a whole...

10% of smokers get lung cancer - using my sample numbers.

BUT

Less than 4% of smokers get lung cancer.

See, before the 60% number means ANYTHING, we need to know what % of the population smokes, and what % doesn't.

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It doesn't end there.

Maybe the 60% non-smokers are LIVING LONGER to get it another way.

So, if smokers die 10 years EARLIER from lung cancer and other causes, it stands to reason that at (for example) 80 years old there are simply more NON-smokers alive.

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