Cigarettes Over $9 A Pack? Damn!

[Patrician]

Why to buy US grown pot - especially California High Grade. There may still be a few fields the illegal aliens haven't taken over. Don't support the criminal cartels which are a shade worse than just plain illegals. The cartels are just plain evil.

I smoke additive free cigs for several years about 30 a day minimum. Now I am down to 10 max using puresmokeonline.com (pure smoke) electronic cigarettes.

Nothing bad except nicotine. The filters are equivalent to a pack of cigs so it is running me about $15 for the equivalent of one carton (about $55) (note I actually buy them from a discount cigarette joint which is much cheaper than online. (the $15 cartridges are after the one time $40 cigarette with USB charger). - puresmoke is the only one made in the US that I know of.

I can't understand how nicotine is an upper. The only drawback of the puresmoke is it puts me to sleep.

The cartridges are stronger than my ultra lite cigs and I find myself wanting a cig sometimes while I am smoking it. (and I hate the feeling of not being able to keep my eyes open).

Sooooo - it must be the carbon monoxide I am addicted to and not nicotine as everyone says, and nicotine must be a downer not an upper as everyone thinks (there is actually a debate whether it speeds us up or calms us down). I have to say down.

Anyway - even at 10 I am doing better than 30. I am consistent for weeks now. I will beat this monkey eventually but know it can still kill you years after you quit. Whatever - 'they say it's going to kill me but they won't say when'

[pretty]

For me cigarette really damage our health.... I keep on advising my friends to stop smoking. It can really damage our lungs.

[Sosu]

Originally Posted by mrnightowl

Can get a box of Cuban cigars and real aged Cuban rum for about $20USD or 280 to 300 pesos.

But damn there are a lot of mean people in this forum. lol Must be nice to be perfect eh? HA!

Marijuana cost about $15USD for 1/2 ounce(14.4 grams). Mafia and the cartels help keep the cost low for that but at a price of 10 or so murders a week related to the cartels in this city alone.

Eric.

$20 for a box would most likely be Te Amos with Cohiba bands.

[Profit-smart]

I'm paying $6.50-$7.50 a pack where Im at. It's atrocious, Im thinking about quitting simply because I dont like feeling like I'm smoking a five dollar bill.

Now that would be a good anti-smoking commercial.

Like the $5 foot long commercials for subway, only he smokes the fiver it instead of eats it.

[scharf1]

No matter how you sugar coat it, Smoking cigarettes and inhaling second-hand smoke shortens your life. The burning of the tobacco in cigarettes is what releases all the poisons that do Kill you. So instead of worrying about the cost of the cigarettes, think about what else you can spend all of that money on.

Sorry just ranting, just lost my mom to cigarettes.

[dotslash]

Sooooo - it must be the carbon monoxide I am addicted to and not nicotine as everyone says, and nicotine must be a downer not an upper as everyone thinks (there is actually a debate whether it speeds us up or calms us down). I have to say down.

You are right about the nicotine, the reason it appears to be an upper is because as soon as you stop taking it in - you will suffer increasing withdrawal symptoms. When you take in nicotine through whatever method, it relieves those symptoms so appears to give you a positive boost.

Nicotine drags you down with the withdrawal symptoms, you just cure those when you have a smoke. Non smokers would never get the same feelings as they don't have the withdrawal symptoms.

If you think about this when you have a smoke, and watch people who are having their first smoke of the day you can see it. They're just calming their withdrawal symptoms. It's a really sneaky drug !

[Nathan Segal]

More than ever, it sounds like a good reason to quit, if not for your health.

[sweetfranky]

Wow, I remember the good ol' days when you could buy them $27 a pack. LOL that was 6 years ago... Oh sweet ciggy's how I miss you...

[mr2020]

Hey mates,

Think about this. I am reading a lot of posts here about the nicotine being the culprit, tobacco being the bad guy. If a little, just a little research is done, the "bad guy" in the equation are the chemicals they add into the cigarettes. Those cause addiction, cancer etc.

It almost sounds here like the "marketers" or "internet marketers" are liars, cheats and evil discussions that other people have. Marketers and internet marketers are not liars, cheats or evil.... only a BAD FEW are.

Nicotine and tobacco as far as smoking goes, they take a bad rap. So do we. As long as people don't make or point out distinctions.

Mr Twenty Twenty
Whooo yah!

[sanjid112]

Originally Posted by Mark_w

It's not much wonder so many people in Asia smoke when the price is so cheap (even taking into account standards of living etc).

Even there is a warning in the package "Smoking can cause health problems and the fetus, cancer, blah ... blah ... blah ..."

Originally Posted by Bakai

This creates a new business opportunity. I may start growing tobacco in my backyard instead of that wacky green stuff. More profitable.

It is really profitable. My friend has almost 2 hectares of tobacco. He could buy 3 houses and 2 luxury cars from one harvest only. At least, that what he told me. If he lies, dunno about it.

-Malik

[Michael Motley]

electronic cigarettes are a LOT cheaper. I've been turning people on to these things left and right and no complaints yet.

[mr2020]

Since the thread keeps going.... Check this out.

"Why do smokers find it so hard to quit?"

It will definitely challenge / change your thinking.

YouTube - STRANGE Stop Smoking Mind Hack! The...

Shot about 2 months ago, maybe it can contribute to the "controversy" of the smoking thread.

If you would, vote it up and leave some comments there too.

Thanks!

Mr Twenty Twenty

[HeySal]

Why is it that every time someone mentions something like the cost of smoking we have to listen to a bunch of non smokers drooling all over how bad cigarettes are for you.

There is one thing that is much more worse for your health than even the best pumped up propeganda against cigarettes.........

SUGAR -- real sugar - fake sugar is nothing but pure poison, but real sugar is deadly..........

So while all of you self righteous anti-smoking zealots are posting away on the evils of cigarettes I am betting that you are sucking down masses of sugars and fake sugars. Most of you are probably fat - which in today's chemical laden society means you are a walking ball of toxic waste.
What have you eaten today - candy? canned soups? manufactured: bread, pastery, juices, packaged meals, gravies, pasta sauces, ice creams, cereals, condiments, soda, sugar as sugar, sweet'n'low, splenda, aspartame............the list goes on.

You would not believe the cancers you are courting - the other illnesses that you can expect to succumb to - the breakdown of your blood brain barrier.

Yet you feel so privileged and intelligent because you don't pick up cigarettes -even though 60% of lung cancer is contracted by non-smokers......yep - even good ole Dr. Mercola missed that one.

SO.....if you have invaded this thread just to force your big opinions about smoking down our throats you are cordially invited to go take a flying **** at a rolling donut because after you eat your sugar and put on your sunblock (almost guaranteed to cause cancer), and inhale a few other toxins you are spreading around via personal care and cleaning products, your car, etc - you are no smarter than anyone you aim your BS at.

[devilishsaint]

yeah they really wanna discourage tobacco usage but i think its not good step the real thing is to create awareness rather then increasing cigarette price.

[myob]

I don't smoke, but sugar is particularly very important to me in my morning coffee, and keeps me sweet. If I don't get my sugar fix everyday I can get really nasty and might grab someone by their health nuts, and kick everything up their putrifying insides.

So my advice to smokers on a budget: Just keep it simple and surround yourself with heavy smokers. You'll never have to buy cigarettes again with sufficient second-hand smoke. Also enjoy ***** flying donuts taken on the chin, and drink lots of beer to stay regular and flush out all the ***** toxins.

Sorry about the crudeness, but it's just a low blood sugar induced bad habit of mine that I've been trying to kick for over 44 years. So my advice to you preachers: Butt out of things you know nothing about before you get your ass kicked. All this preaching is very tiresome, and preachers are a helluva lot easier to kick than habits.

[HeySal]

If I don't get my sugar fix everyday I can get really nasty and might grab someone by their health nuts, and kick everything up their putrifying insides.

LMAO -- Gee Paul, I'd have figured a health food store owner would have at least one cupboard shelf dedicated purely to stevia. Come to find all that adrenaline that I had assumed was just spiking from market surges and drops is nothing but a sugar buzz. Well, this just explains so much.....................

[mr2020]

Study history.

First they demonize.
Then they increase regulations and taxes.

(This is NOT JUST about tobacco. Think biz, guns, booze, think parenting.)

Now watch the governments.

If they start to demonize: the net, business people, people who try to help others work from home..... I think you get my point. If not, look for them to TAX them.

Note: I have read and been told, that if a smoker dies, and there is no "big obvious cause", the cause is most often listed as "smoking". So people who don't smoke, who just die, must die of "old age" or something like that. Think about how THAT messes up statistics..... so that tobacco can be deomonized, legislated, taxed.....

And yes, tobacco used improperly is not good for you. Just like water.....

So smoke it with "good thoughts" like the indians did (Have you noticed how many people grumble and bitch and moan when they smoke?) My ancestors called it "the thank you plant". They smoked with thankfulness, and kept their tobacco pure.

And since sugar showed up....

Eat it how it shows up NATURALLY. And WHEN it shows up naturally. That means not all that often, and mostly in the form of fruits and vegetables. Getting WILD honey even is painful.

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

LMAO -- Gee Paul, I'd have figured a health food store owner would have at least one cupboard shelf dedicated purely to stevia. Come to find all that adrenaline that I had assumed was just spiking from market surges and drops is nothing but a sugar buzz. ....

I am sure glad that I just finished my second cup of sugar-laiden laitte and that my good neighbor next door blew over some second hand smoke. Otherwise, I think I would have heaved my computer out of the window because of my low blood sugar, low nictotine, low caffeine levels, and low tolerance for preaching. And here's that flying ***** rolling donut dusted in powdered sugar coming right back at you.

My health food store is over a mile away, and besides, I get sick of having to eat that crap all the time. When I want a nice greasy hamburger and fries with Coke (the real thing; none of that diet sh*t) I can go just two blocks over to McDonalds. And they don't preach at you. (Of course they can barely speak English, which makes it all the nicer)

After I had my second cup of coffee in the morning, I usually go over to my health food store and check up on things. It always takes two cups of coffee with cream and sugar to shake off my rough edges. Of course, my courteous employees and I promote good health with responsible eating and lifestyle habits. But none of us will ram it down anyone's throat. They drink a lot of coffee too, and there's always a fresh pot brewing to keep them nice and courteous.

We sell all-natural whole foods, natural vitamins with no fillers starch, yeast, artificial color, artificial flavors, or sugar. We also have a candy section for those who need a quick sugar rush. But smoking and drinking alcoholic beverages are not allowed on the premises. I really don't spend much time there at all.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by myob

I am sure glad that I just finished my second cup of sugar-laiden laitte and that my good neighbor next door blew over some second hand smoke. Otherwise, I think I would have heaved my computer out of the window because of my low blood sugar, low nictotine, low caffeine levels, and low tolerance for preaching. And here's that flying ***** rolling donut dusted in powdered sugar coming right back at you.

My health food store is over a mile away, and besides, I get sick of having to eat that crap all the time. When I want a nice greasy hamburger and fries with Coke (the real thing; none of that diet sh*t) I can go just two blocks over to McDonalds. And they don't preach at you. (Of course they can barely speak English, which makes it all the nicer)

After I had my second cup of coffee in the morning, I usually go over to my health food store and check up on things. It always takes two cups of coffee with cream and sugar to shake off my rough edges. Of course, my courteous employees and I promote good health with responsible eating and lifestyle habits. But none of us will ram it down anyone's throat. They drink a lot of coffee too, and there's always a fresh pot brewing to keep them nice and courteous.

We sell all-natural whole foods, natural vitamins with no fillers starch, yeast, artificial color, artificial flavors, or sugar. We also have a candy section for those who need a quick sugar rush. But smoking and drinking alcoholic beverages are not allowed on the premises. I really don't spend much time there at all.

Don't kill the computer, Paul. If you find yourself running short on sugar or smoke, I'm sure there will be a thread about dairy, MSG, fat, meat or many other of your favorite habits to take your ire out on to relieve any short-term withdrawls you may be experiencing at the time. There will also be a preacher who is thumping their pulpit over the evil while imbibing in another to roll the donuts at - but maple glaze works much better than powdered sugar. It's just so sticky.

[askloz]

U live in NY or sommat?

here in NC its only like $3.83, plus 50 cent coupon in the packet

$35 + tax for carton.

Originally Posted by Scot Standke

I was at WalMart the other day and ended up checking out in the tobacco aisle and happened to notice the price of name brand cigs, over $9 a pack, damn!

How can anyone afford to smoke them any longer?

You could save a little when you bought a carton at around $85 LOL

I wish the prices were at that level when my dad was younger, perhaps he would have quit because he could not afford the 3 pack a day habit that ultimately ended up killing him, ten years after he actually quit.

Scot

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by mr2020

Study history.


Note: I have read and been told, that if a smoker dies, and there is no "big obvious cause", the cause is most often listed as "smoking". So people who don't smoke, who just die, must die of "old age" or something like that. Think about how THAT messes up statistics..... so that tobacco can be deomonized, legislated, taxed.....

Yeah - the stats are loaded something furious. A smoker can die of any cause whatsoever and unless it was a car accident, etc they will be listed as a smoking death. That's one of the reason smoking deaths are on such a fast rise.

Of course, smokers aren't getting the exercise they used to - and that just isn't a good thing, smoking and a sendentary lifestyle don't mix even if the tobacco isn't laced with all the poison they put in it now. What if they lived by a factory with nasty pollutants that they are breathing constantly (contributing to many cases of asthma as well) - if they get lung cancer, it is never that factory's fault, it's the cigarettes. Many people are told that they are dying from smoking when what allowed them to contract the cancer in the first place was a lack of Vitamin D or high water fluoride concentrations (silca/sodium fluoride) or calcium deficiencies.

It's the same with drunk driving stats.............and mind you I am not in defense of drunk driving, I think it's a very dangerous act -- but the stats that led to fines and laws were cooked to the hilt. They always check for alcohol and if any little bit is found - even just .01 which isn't enough to do anything to your motor skills, reasoning, etc. that accident was being listed as alcohol related.

These stats allowed them to crank legal limits all the way down to the point that one drink with a pal can result in thousands of dollars of fines, court fees, hiked insurance rates, fees for classes and special driving permits -- and now alcohol detection devices in the car that restrict movement of the vehicle and cost like no tomorrow. Those are just a few perks the system reaps from cooking the stats enough to impose laws that are sure to result in even very responsible drinkers wallet's being bled to bone dry.

I worked for a company that decided one day that we were not allowed to smoke on the premises - up til that day there was a patio for smokers. This came just after forcing us to either fill out a medical history for some third party or pay into our previously covered insurance. They started putting health programs all over on top of us - bp checks, fat % checks, you name it.
The kicker? They had such toxic chemicals going into the products that people were gtting sick from working there. Go figure.

[mr2020]

HeySal,

You got it! At least one of the Starbucks in Pittsburgh now won't let you smoke OUTSIDE their place. They are "doing their part".

I love their coffee, enjoy their style, but.... come on..... "a coffee shop" banning "smoking" for health and environment reasons.

Please....

Have a great day HeySal!

Mr Twenty Twenty
"It's all about VISION!"
Whooo yah!

[Jhf14]

imagine if you saved all that money from smokes and put it towards marketing!

[myob]

If smokers could just reach out and strangle all these detractors, they would have more time for marketing and put their increased profits towards more smokes.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Why is it that every time someone mentions something like the cost of smoking we have to listen to a bunch of non smokers drooling all over how bad cigarettes are for you.

There is one thing that is much more worse for your health than even the best pumped up propeganda against cigarettes.........

SUGAR -- real sugar - fake sugar is nothing but pure poison, but real sugar is deadly..........

.

Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar dont die from it. 1 in 3 that smoke do.

[mr2020]

"Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

"And 1 in 3 smokers do."

For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

Mr Twenty Twenty

PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by mr2020

"Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

"And 1 in 3 smokers do."

For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

Mr Twenty Twenty

PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.

no..second hand smoke gives them cancer.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by mr2020

"Because 1 in 3 people that use sugar don't die from it."

"And 1 in 3 smokers do."

For some reason, we almost totally in this culture close our eyes to the problems SUGAR causes or contributes to, and make up problems (and deaths) due to smoking.

Sugar has a far worse impact on our society, culture, economy and health than TOBACCO does.

Of course, I am a cigar smoker who avoids sugar.

Mr Twenty Twenty

PS: I am guessing that second hand smoke makes kids fat, stupid and lazy.

The illnesses that sugar causes are not attributed to sugar in the stats, but when the endocrine system goes, you can call everything after that caused by the sugar.........same with MSG, which causes major amounts of disease but never makes the stat list. Go figure. Fluoridated water and chemical sunscreens are a major source of cancer in smokers AND non-smokers, but never makes the stats.

Study the stats instead of propaganda and what do you get?
60% of men in Japan smoke and there is relatively no lung cancer to correlate to smoking. If tobacco is the problem, the stats would be universal........they actually are quite relative to the amount of additives in the cigarettes. I pointed that out to a doctor once and what he said was "yeah, but they get heart disease" ?! They can't find a universal stat there so they just drop some other health effect? There is not one scientific bit of logic in that.

There is also another interesting 60someodd% stat that shows that more non-smokers die of lung cancer than smokers do. Even Mercola is tooting falsified figures.

Something is wrong alright - people are dropping like flies and it's all blamed on cigarettes .........even though more and more people are NOT smoking now, more and more people are still getting lung cancer and more and more people are getting other morbidities such as obesity, autism, diabetes, to name a few.

Yet the stats were rigged and enough propeganda was sent out to make people firm believers that cigarettes are the sole villain.

How come people weren't dying in groves like they are now:
- when almost double the amount of people smoked:
- before water was fluoridated with silica/sodium fluoride (not natural form)
- before sunblocks and warnings against sun were so prevalently pushed
- before most households started using toxic waste to clean with

Smokers are not the only people experiencing very deadly health problems now - and at very high rates.
IF people knew WHY they are so fat now, why they can't take the weight off and keep it off they would be storming the walls of the FDA. If they realized that they were dying from it in the numbers they are, they'd take to the streets screaming.

Why is alcohol allowed when it is so damaging yet pot is illegal when there is almost no evidence to support their claims of harm and much available to prove it has curing abilities..........because they tell us the truth and care about our health? Yeah, wake up.

Autism and Diabetes have nothing to do with smoke......yet they are on the rise - just as rapid as cancer. Go figure.

It is now becoming widely known that cell phones cause cancer, yet I see non-smokers that would not be without them and have them against their heads or in shirt pockets everywhere they go. Go figure.

I'm never going to say that smoking is the best thing you can do for yourself - If you live a sedentary lifestyle it is a vile mix.

I'm just stating that ALL diseases are on a rapid rise and cancer rates are rising even though rates of smokers are falling.

All these health stats, and all non-smokers can do is find a smoker to flap their gums at. They sure have been well trained. Anytime you mention cigarettes there is a propaganda fed pitbull to come gnaw on your face.

So maybe instead of stomping feet and waving flags over smoking, people should start to look into what the hell is REALLY going on that is making us so sick in every way and leave people alone about their lifestyles. Worry about weight they can't take off - or why their kids are autistic - or why their thyroids are giving out on them, or why they are getting diabetes, why their hearts are in such sick shape, why they are so tired and why the doctors are feeding them so many drugs that they are leaching into the water supply where people who don't WANT to be drugged are forced to ingest them.

[Michael Motley]

yes, inhaling burning plant matter coated with pesticides and taking addictive nicotine into your body is a good idea.

The ability for the addict to rationalize their behavior is astounding.

[myob]

Smokers need to wear a warning label on their chest while
smoking, similar to the label on every pack of cigarettes:

WARNING TO NON-SMOKERS:
The inability of the ignorant to mind their own business is
astounding, and could lead to immediate medical disability.

[JMPruitt]

Been trying to quit smoking for over 2 years. If you don't smoke, you don't understand how hard it is. Price is only part of the problem, although we are only at around $5/pack here.

It is hard to quit, especially if you are not surrounded by people who are supportive of you quitting, or if most of the people you spend time with smoke.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by myob

Smokers need to wear a warning label on their chest while
smoking, similar to the label on every pack of cigarettes:

WARNING TO NON-SMOKERS:
The inability of the ignorant to mind their own business is
astounding, and could lead to immediate medical disability.

I have no problem with you smoking....away from me.

when your smoking starts interfering with my breathing, then we have a problem.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I have no problem with you smoking....away from me.

when your smoking starts interfering with my breathing, then we have a problem.

I don't even smoke, but addiction is a complex problem that few non-smokers understand. But preaching to them when they are not even anywhere near you is unnecessary. Smokers are generally not intentionally rude, nor should you be. A simple "please don't smoke" will suffice rather than a long-distance lecture.

[Profit-smart]

7 days clean!

The first 3 days were awful, now I have more energy; can focus better, and my blood pressures down to a normal level.

If you want to quit, just beat those first three days. I actually found keeping busy kept me sane.

[Arizona]

All this talk makes us non-smokers glad that we do not smoke. I have never smoked. My father smoked like a chimney and gagged me with his smoke in the house as well as in the car. I guess I have him to thank in a way for never wanting to start myself! I hated the smell and still do.

I have no problem with others smoking unless they are smoking right outside the building that prohibits smoking within x amount of feet of the front door that I am walking into.

I really feel for those who do smoke and have a hard time quitting. I have heard from many smokers that it is extremely hard to quit because of the cravings and the triggers that lead them back to smoking again.

[zenoTom]

I was in Dublin earlier this year and was SHOCKED to see a pack of 20 branded cigs for €8.10 (about £8 at the time because of poor rate).

Oh well, managed to give up 3months and 11days ago (6 year habit )

Peace*

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by myob

I don't even smoke, but addiction is a complex problem that few non-smokers understand. But preaching to them when they are not even anywhere near you is unnecessary. Smokers are generally not intentionally rude, nor should you be. A simple "please don't smoke" will suffice rather than a long-distance lecture.

I'm NOW a non-smoker. I used to smoke and quit. So i know what kind of problem addiction is. I'm not preaching to anyone just presenting facts. i just know that when I was smoking it was very easy to tell myself 'oh its not that bad' or 'they are just picking on us smokers'.

In reality its an addiction that either directly or through an associated disease/illness kills 1 third of the people that use it, has over 4000 chemicals contained in what it produces for human consumption (smoke), not only affects the user, but those around the user.

I don't give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves slowly with smoking. All i know is i saw my grandfather die of emphyzema (sp?), and if they want to go out gulping for air like a fish out of water thats all them. Good luck to them. But their inability to handle their addiction does not give them the right to make that choice for everyone/everything else around them.

[myob]

Well, I have never smoked in my life. That was a choice I made early on after watching my own grandfather die of lung cancer after 43 years of smoking. He told me when I was very young to never start smoking, as he was also being told often by his doctors to quit smoking because it was killing him. But to his last day, he had a cigarette in his mouth. He was on oxygen and knew he was dying, but he turned it off and lit up a cigarette.

So I know very well first hand how difficult it is to quit smoking. Smokers already are aware of the dangers, but the grip of addiction is more powerful than any fear.

But if you are so worried about the dangers of second-hand smoke, then stay away from smokers. They still have a right to smoke in some areas that are becoming more and more restricted by oppressive laws.

What I fear far more than second-hand smoke is the danger of losing our rights to choose the method of dying. There are laws now being proposed to ban soft drinks with sugar in schools, and to tax it in other outlets. Sugar is dangerous to your health, and causes death through diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and myriads of other documented secondary medical correlations.

The time will come when the law makers will take all this fear-mongering and enact additional oppressive laws restricting anyone from doing anything unhealthy to themselves. Everyone will become smoke-free, sugar-free, fat-free, drug-free, alcohol-free, sex-free and eventually mind-free.

There is a pattern of outcry from all these cry-babies afraid of the bad habits of others from getting smoke in their eyes to eating habits and leading to increase in legislation by big brother telling us what is good for us.

So if anyone starts telling me how to live my life and to quit drinking soft drinks or even hard drinks with a candy bar, or any of hundreds of my other bad habits, we are going to have a problem. I will always continue to fight for the rights of smokers to smoke, because now, more than ever, it is our other rights that are at stake.

I really do give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves by whatever means, and it is painful to watch friends and relatives do this to themselves, but that is their right.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by myob

Well, I have never smoked in my life. That was a choice I made early on after watching my own grandfather die of lung cancer after 43 years of smoking. He was told by his doctors to quit smoking, but to his last day he had a cigarette in his mouth. He was on oxygen and knew he was dying, but he turned the machine off and lit up a cigarette.

So I know very well first hand how difficult it is to quit smoking. Smokers already are aware of the dangers, but the grip of addiction is more powerful than any fear.

If you are so worried about the dangers of second-hand smoke, then stay away from smokers. They still have a right to smoke in some areas that are becoming more and more restricted by oppressive laws.

why should I have to move when the smokers are the one engaging in the risky behavior. Do you tell citizens that are tired of watching hookers walk up and down their streets to move? Well why not, if they dont want to be affected by the crap that prostituion brings with it

What I fear far more than second-hand smoke is the danger of losing our rights to choose the method of dying. There are laws now being proposed to ban soft drinks with sugar in schools, and to tax it in other outlets. Sugar is dangerous to your health, and causes death through diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and myriads of other documented secondary medical correlations.

but nobody gets addicted to sugar.

The time will come when the law makers will take all this fear-mongering and enact additional oppressive laws restricting anyone from doing anything unhealthy to themselves. Everyone will become smoke-free, sugar-free, fat-free, drug-free, alcohol-free, and eventually mind-free.

god help us from those that would keep us FROM KILLING OURSELVES WITHOUT OWN STUPIDITY HOW DARE THEY!!

There is a pattern of outcry from all these cry-babies afraid of the bad habits of others from getting smoke in their eyes to eating habits and leading to legislation by big brother telling us what is good for us.

why should i quit, cutting the effects of smoking on my body, just to have some idiot keep blowing smoke in my face. Big brothe rshouldnt have to tell you whats good for you, you should already know that inhaling smoke with 4000 chemicals in it that is addictive and kills 1 in 3 of those that use it is bad for you. Since people aren't apparently smart enough to see this, the choice will have to be made for them. Or...when you're 50-60 or however old and finally cancer starts eating your chest, when your insuarance runs out, they should start giving you a pack of smokes and sending you home from the hospital instead of making everyone else pay for your inability to handle an addiction.

So if anyone starts telling me how to live my life and to quit drinking soft drinks or even hard drinks with a candy bar, we are going to have a problem. I will also fight for the rights of smokers to smoke, because it is our other rights that could be at stake.

I really do give a crap if someone wants to kill themselves by whatever means, but that is their right.

dont put this out as some lofty issue of the right to die. Its an addictiction, no different than any other addiction. They didnt start smoking with the thought 'i want to choose how i go', they did it because of social pressures, and now that they have gotten themselves addicted, excuses like 'oh i want to control my death' crap is their way to make themselves feel better about their inability to control their own mind/body.

I dont care if you want to kill yourself or how you want to do it. Knock yourself out. If you want to stick a pistol in your mouth or a cigarette, i dont care, but just like i would ask you to get away from me so i dont get hit by the bullet leaving your skull or brain matter, i'll ask you to move your smoking somewhere else.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

...dont put this out as some lofty issue of the right to die. ...

You are missing my point entirely. This is a right to live ... the way you choose to live. Non-smokers are losing those rights as well through oppressive legislation.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by myob

You are missing my point entirely. This is a right to live ... the way you choose to live. Non-smokers are losing those rights as well through oppressive legislation.

The non-nonsmokers are losing their right to decide how they live when they are being affected by second hand smoke.

[myob]

I am far more afraid of people like you than of second-hand smoke or of being hit by a suicide's bullet. My respects to those who are struggling with this addiction, and admiration for you who have kicked the habit.

[Michael Motley]

But really, you dont have people sitting around you every day with guns in their mouths, you do probably have people sitting around you with cigarettes in their mouths

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

But really, you dont have people sitting around you every day with guns in their mouths, you do probably have people sitting around you with cigarettes in their mouths

Almost everywhere, it is already against the law for people to sit around with either guns or cigarettes in their mouths. Most businesses have those restrictions in place, thanks to oppressive legislation, so your risk is extremely low for second hand smoke or bullets. Thank God I can still drink to that, but you are really scaring me that someday I won't even have that right.

[Michael Motley]

'oh my god, you are taking away the right to stuff poisons in my body and put poisons in the bodies of people around me to! ITS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO POISON PEOPLE'


sorry doesnt work that way. your freedoms do not overshadow mine. and when it comes to a problem with your freedom to do something interferring with my freedom to do something, common sense would dictate that that the freedom that is less detrimental to the greater good be given rightofway.

[myob]

It is very obvious you have an agenda here. Smoking is already banned by law in all government and public buildings, businesses, and even in many public parks and beaches. You can breath free. Just where are you that these poison-breathing dragons are affecting your health?

[Michael Motley]

I have no agenda here one way or the other. I'm just tired of hearing smokers and 'rights' activists tell me how its their right to belch smoke into my area as an exercise for their rights.

You dont have a right to smoke if your smoking is affecting someone else, which second hand smoke has already been proven to do so.

And dont play the 'its my right' card when the real reason that people smoke isnt because of their need to exercise their rights, but their weakness in dealing with an addiction.

In reality, smokers dont choose to keep smoking. They have no choice and are addicted and because of their charachter flaw, they end up being under the thumb of the government paying those taxes. So for all the smokers bellowing about their rights to do this and to do that, in the end, you are nothing more than tax producing cattle controlled by the government you think you are exercising your rights against.

Moooooooooooo.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I have no agenda here one way or the other. I'm just tired of hearing smokers and 'rights' activists tell me how its their right to belch smoke into my area as an exercise for their rights.

You didn't answer my question. Where is it that you are having a problem with second hand smoke? Smoking is banned nearly everywhere by law.

If there is a plume of black smoke coming in your direction, then maybe it's time to get out the fire extinguisher, instead of blaming smokers.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by myob

You didn't answer my question. Where is it that you are having a problem with second hand smoke? Smoking is banned nearly everywhere by law.

If there is a plume of black smoke coming in your direction, then maybe it's time to get out the fire extinguisher, instead of blaming smokers.

No, smoking is not banned everywhere. Smoking is banned inside most everywhere. But outside, well then everyone gets to enjoy that smoke that Joe Notworriedofmyhealthoryours is enjoying.

For instance where I work...when you are coming in the door, you get to go through a fairly thick fog bank of cigarette smoke. I can understand if it were the smoking area, but its not, but do they butt-heads care? nah...everyone gets to enjoy their smoke. thanks butt-heads.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

No, smoking is not banned everywhere. Smoking is banned inside most everywhere. But outside, well then everyone gets to enjoy that smoke that Joe Notworriedofmyhealthoryours is enjoying.

For instance where I work...when you are coming in the door, you get to go through a fairly thick fog bank of cigarette smoke. I can understand if it were the smoking area, but its not, but do they butt-heads care? nah...everyone gets to enjoy their smoke. thanks butt-heads.

I see. And they are not buying any of your E-Cigarettes in your sig file? That would make me mad as hell too. Those stupid butt-heads should realize that E-Cigarettes are safer than tobacco smoke with its 4000 chemicals and carcinogens. I knew something stunk about your posts.

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