Cigarettes Over $9 A Pack? Damn!

[Alexa Smith]

Those e-cigarettes comprise vapor of propylene glycol (with some added nicotine), don't they? It's a key constituent of antifreeze, coolants and aircraft fluids, heat transfer and hydraulic fluids, chemical solvents, plasticizers and thermoset plastic formulations. Just what I'd want to inhale.

[Dave Patterson]

Originally Posted by myob

Dave, ROFLMAO!!! But quit blowing smoke on me, or I'm telling my boys to round you up and gag you with ecigarettes.

Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Those e-cigarettes comprise vapor of propylene glycol (with some added nicotine), don't they? It's a key constituent of antifreeze, coolants and aircraft fluids, heat transfer and hydraulic fluids, chemical solvents, plasticizers and thermoset plastic formulations. Just what I'd want to inhale.

Propylene glycol is used:

• As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5]
• As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
• As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
• As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco products
• As a carrier in fragrance oils
• As an ingredient in massage oils
• In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
• In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
• In electronic cigarettess to deliver vaporized nicotine
• As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
• As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
• As a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff).
• As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
• As a less-toxic antifreeze
• As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
• In cryonics
• As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
• As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
• To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
• As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
• As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
• To treat livestock ketosis
• As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
• To de-ice aircraft.[6]
• UV Blacklite Tattoo Ink

The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to incur the dangerous effects described above. The potential for long-term toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[7] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[8]
Serious toxicity will occur only at plasma concentrations over 4g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[9] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1g/kg of PG. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal part of the glucose metabolism process and is readily converted to energy.

Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic

Its an ingredient in a lot of things, such as antifreeze...so is water.

you're probably thinking of DEG or MEG. Similar but not the same, those are actually poisonous.

[Alexa Smith]

Yeeeeeeeeesssss, maybe; but I seem to recall they thought ethylene glycol (which is as closely related to propylene glycol as you can get without actually being propylene glycol) was harmless, too, until it turned out to be mega-toxic?

[myob]

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )

Most smokers that I know are very courteous in that way as well. For the exact same reasons, I eat my baked beans outside on the patio because I always fart and belch uncontrollably afterwards. Been doing it outdoors now as a courtesy for over 46 years, since my mama first ran me out of the house right after dinner.

Bean eaters I think are next on the target list by activists to be banned indoors. Afterall, we really can't give much of a courtesy, "Do you mind if I fart?" warning before the "Excuse me" must follow. People always think I'm so rude, but it is really so misunderstood, so sudden, often unconsciously released.

At least methane gas from farting doesn't have anywhere near the number of chemicals that cigarette smoke does. Unless you drink beer and eat beans together; second hand gas from that mixture could be a lot more unhealthy. But I think that even the bean/beer fart gas combo is much safer to inhale than ecigarettes.

[steve m]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Those e-cigarettes comprise vapor of propylene glycol (with some added nicotine), don't they? It's a key constituent of antifreeze, coolants and aircraft fluids, heat transfer and hydraulic fluids, chemical solvents, plasticizers and thermoset plastic formulations. Just what I'd want to inhale.

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Its an ingredient in a lot of things, such as antifreeze...so is water.

you're probably thinking of DEG or MEG. Similar but not the same, those are actually poisonous.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yeeeeeeeeesssss, maybe; but I seem to recall they thought ethylene glycol (which is as closely related to propylene glycol as you can get without actually being propylene glycol) was harmless, too, until it turned out to be mega-toxic?

I think you lot read to much...! LOL sound like a couple of scentist having a debate on E-Numbers and stuff

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by steve m

LOL sound like a couple of scentist having a debate on E-Numbers and stuff

It's my "other profession": I study and research scientific misunderstandings and controversies and how it is/was that people/societies/cultures came to believe and propagate things that were never true.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Dont worry...I'm one of those concientious smokers and have been for years.

I haven't even smoked in my own house since my first-born (1980)

I'm especially aware of non-smokers when I light up (unless they think THEIR space is anything inside of 3 square miles...then they can just KMA )

I'm with you on that Dave, though I do smoke in my house.
If a non smoker comes in then I won't smoke in the house while they are there.
I'll even make sure I'm down wind from non smokers if I can when smoking outdoors.
It all gets thrown out the window though when a non smoker gets in my face with their holier then thou attitude.
But then their swelled heads and big mouths make for great ashtrays

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yeeeeeeeeesssss, maybe; but I seem to recall they thought ethylene glycol (which is as closely related to propylene glycol as you can get without actually being propylene glycol) was harmless, too, until it turned out to be mega-toxic?

the fda has already done tests on propylene glycol and found it non toxic, but that was before it was being used in a 100 mil a year industry that was directly in competition with big tobacco that has lobbyists with deep pockets.

go figure.

[loenex]

It's best to quit smoking. Save your money for other important purposes. Like the warning that goes 'cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health'.

[steve m]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's my "other profession": I study and research scientific misunderstandings and controversies and how it is/was that people/societies/cultures came to believe and propagate things that were never true.

Well that told me didn't it. Dam conspiracies, I hate having the wool pulled over my eyes

[Michael Motley]

I believe affililate links are prohibited in sigs.

[valerieSONORA]

Originally Posted by mbenton

Okay, so if I go to Kentucky and load the van with Marlboros at $3 a pack, then drive to Wisconsin and sell them for $7 a pack...

Marlboros are over $5 a pack here, getting close to $6. You'd lose a lot of money if you did that on the gas. Even the local generics are never less than $4.

I think the gov. if trying to force ppl to quit by making the price so high. Cig taxes are always being added on.

[Maddi]

Here in U.K the average pack of 20's converts to about $10 or more.
What a shame.

[tremayne]

I believe that in Nova Scotia, where I used to live, smokes are about $13.50 a pack; in Panama, where I now live, they are a little over 50 cents. I quit more than 20 years ago and wish I had never started. I now have chronic obstructive lung disease, am prone to pneumonia, and had to give up my favorite sport: diving.

If I had not quit I would have been dead long ago.

I found there was just one way to stop: just do it cold turkey (if you will pardon the reference to turkey on this day). It was one of the most difficult things I ever did - and I discovered three years after I first quit that even a single (and then horrible-tasting) lapse got me hooked again.

For me, in reference to previous comments, cigarettes are absolute poison and a sure way to a most unpleasant death.

Sydney

[powderme]

Here in Manila a pack of cigarrete cost around $1.25 maybe I'm lucky

[valerieSONORA]

What?! Sugar is deadly? Oh no does that mean no more chocolate??????? I'm so heartbroken But it's been 4, close to 5 months soda free, so big improvement

[Sophist]

Welcome to NYC. Its a good thing I don't smoke, never have, never will. I love my city.

[TheAge]

In Australia a pack of 25 Stuyvesants has reached the price of $14 at 7-11s. You can also find them at supermarkets for almost $12.50-$13.

I'm quite sure the legislation has been passed to raise the price for a pack of 30 cigarettes to $19.

Thank god I quit 4 weeks ago.... though I tell you what, the psychological addiction is still there.

Even though I've quit, I don't believe the government has any right to tax cigarettes excessively, deciding what we can and can not put in our own bodies. It's ridiculous.

Adrian

[STKING]

E-Cigs for $1/pack!
Ahhhh...forget about big gov't taxes on cigarettes...switch over to an e-cig! They don't control these babies....yet!

[seasoned]

****************************YEAH****************** **********

It is ABOUT TIME! I HATE cigarettes! NOW, if they can do this with ALL tobacco, etc...

[davidjames42973]

Damn! I didn't know smokes were that much. The only time I smoke is when I'm out drinking and I bum them from my smoking friends.

I think last time I bought a pack was 4 years ago and at that time it was $5...

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by TheAge

In Australia a pack of 25 Stuyvesants has reached the price of $14 at 7-11s. You can also find them at supermarkets for almost $12.50-$13.

But that's AUD, not real money.

[IMHopeful]

A named brand pack here in ON Canada is over 11 USD. Though one can buy them from the nearest Native reserve for much less. If you buy Native brands you can buy an entire carton for 11USD. Smoking is definitely bad for you though - I don't endorse it.