Non-Rock/Obscure = Different/World Music

[Patrician]

It really was not the same as, nor was it to compete with Stephen's Musical Obscurity thread, which was songs that are obscure because they bombed or never were very POPULAR - obscure = defunct.

Mine was music that is DIFFERENT kinds of music - not really rock and roll that are obscure because they are different.

It was here when I logged off at midnight

Does anybody know why it was deleted?

Did someone feel threatened by it in some way?

If there was a bad post added it could have been removed and shouldn't have meant the thread got deleted.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Patrician

It really was not the same as, nor was it to compete with Stephen's Musical Obscurity thread, which was songs that are obscure because they bombed or never were very POPULAR - obscure = defunct.

Mine was music that is DIFFERENT kinds of music - not really rock and roll that are obscure because they are different.

It was here when I logged off at midnight

Does anybody know why it was deleted?

Did someone feel threatened by it in some way?

If there was a bad post added it shouldn't have mean the thread got deleted.

Pat, I didn't even notice it was gone. If it was deleted I can't imagine
any reason why. There was certainly nothing offensive about it. It wasn't
political or religious so I don't get it.

[Patrician]

Thanks Stephen.

It was bad enough it was being ignored mostly.

Now this!?!

[KimW]

It was here last time I looked , I saw nothing offensive about it.

[HeySal]

Pat - I posted a few more obscure headbanger bands that I really love.......maybe someone is against modern headbanging? I can't imagine why anyone would delete a whole thread over a few songs though. If they didn't delete the thread over the post that others were calling crap, I can't see them deleting over the choices I made. Even if they decided to censor taste in music, it should have just been my post and frankly, I chose songs from the bands that would be the most palatable generally, LOL - if people that don't listen to modern hard rock can consider any of it palatable, that is.

Anyhow - if you got deleted over my post, I feel that was very wrongfully done. I don't think that is the case though.........I'm thinking it's most likely a glitch.

[Killer Joe]

Pat,

I never looked at the thread, so my appologies for ignoring it

But the thread ranks #2 on G for 'Obscure Different Music' and might have attracted some unsavory trolls (just guessing).

You know how weird those music people are...

KJ

[Patrician]

Thank you all for responding - whatever the reason, I feel better -

I guess I will just hang in the 'popular' music threads when I feel the inclination.

I don't think anybody likes them better than I do, but after several pages they get a little tedious for me since I try not to miss a single video - long about the time I have to start writing down 'go back to page 5, post x - then I know I don't need another responsibility! LOL.

Having said that I can't remember ever having more fun online than the music threads we have had here!

[Steven Wagenheim]

For what it's worth, the only reason I didn't contribute to the thread was
because all my obscure music knowledge is of bands 30 plus years old. I
don't know anything about modern day obscure music. Heck, I hardly know
what's popular let alone obscure.

But I am sorry it got zapped. Even if some of the videos posted were
"objectionable" (whatever that means) it shouldn't have killed a whole
thread.

Pat, why not just start another one and hope nobody posts any
headbangers.

(Only kidding Sal)

[Patrician]

Yeh see, even you, a wordsmith do not get the difference, Stephen! hehehe

It had nothing to do with 'Now' - It was a differnet connotation to the word 'obscure'.

Again - your obscure meant never popular, - music you probably never heard of unless you have a hobby/profession where you keep track of music popularity/ratings = obscure.

Mine had to do with being DIFFERENT - Not exactly in any category or genre - like an obscure sense of humor - nobody really gets it - off the wall = obscure.

hmmmm as I am trying and trying to define the difference the edges are getting more and more gray.

I can see where it may have been seen as a duplicate topic....

Maybe by the groups mentioned you will see what I mean by a little different.

Included in there were groups like

Enigma
Trans Siberian Orchestra
Angelo Badalamenti
Wild Celtic (pipes/fiddle)
Finlay MacDonald (pipes)
Lunasa (Uillean pipes/flutes)

Not exactly Led Zeppelin or AC/DC right? Not exactly some DoWop-HardRock-BSide from the MothBall Fleet.

OH WELL. I am officially pissed.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Yeh see, even you, a wordsmith do not get it, Stephen! hehehe

It had nothing to do with 'Now' - It was a differnet connotation to the word obscure.

Again - your obscure meant never popular, - music you probably never heard of unless you have a hobby/profession where you keep track of music popularity/ratings = obscure.

Mine had to be with being DIFFERENT - Not exactly in any category or genre - like an obscure sense of humor - nobody really gets it - off the wall = obscure.

hmmmm as I am trying and trying to define the difference the edges are getting more and more gray.

I can see where it may have been seen as a duplicate topic....

Maybe by the groups mentioned you will see what I mean by a little different.

Included in there were groups like

Enigma
Trans Siberian Orchestra
Angelo Badalamenti
Wild Celtic (pipes/fiddle)
Finlay MacDonald (pipes)
Lunasa (ulilian pipes/flutes)

Not exactly Led Zeppelin or AC/DC right? Not exactly some DoWop-HardRock-

OH WELL.

Ah, I get it (I think ) I have heard of Trans Siberian Orchestra. My
daughter loves them. I guess they could be considered out of the
mainstream. Is that what you meant by obscure?

In that case, a lot of the "obscure" stuff I heard from the 60s and 70s
could have been considered out of the mainstream as well, like Gentle
Giant.

See, the problem is, there are two kinds of "obscure" the way I see it.

1. Big groups that had songs that just didn't get much air play.

2. Unknown groups.

And then, you could split this up even more if you want.

1. Unknown groups that play "traditional" rock and pop.
2. Unknown groups that play "different" music.

I guess an example of the latter would be World Inferno that plays a
kind of music I think they call ska. I don't really understand it but you
can have a listen here. My daughter really loves them.

This tune is really catchy.

YouTube - World/Inferno Friendship Society -...

[HeySal]

LOL Stevie Guitar man..........ripe for the plan.
So what will we see When Steve pulls out of the blast from the
past and steps into 2000 with the lyrics of madness and the screaming
angry guitar... standing on the stage counting fists raised in rage........

And will they go to their knees when Steve the sweetie turns out
to be the new revolution?

LOL - just kiddin' too Steve.

YouTube - disturbed prayer

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Ah, I get it (I think ) I have heard of Trans Siberian Orchestra. My daughter loves them. I guess they could be considered out of the
mainstream. Is that what you meant by obscure?

This tune is really catchy.

YouTube - World/Inferno Friendship Society - Mayor Of Bridgewater

Yeh that would have fit - I think I can say this is 'art' type music (i know i know all music is art). Intelligent - actual music with words. Nice - different.

and Yes - out of the mainstream as far as 'obscure'. You got it, Mr. Wordy.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by HeySal

LOL Stevie Guitar man..........ripe for the plan.
So what will we see When Steve pulls out of the blast from the
past and steps into 2000 with the lyrics of madness and the screaming
angry guitar... standing on the stage counting fists raised in rage........

And will they go to their knees when Steve the sweetie turns out
to be the new revolution?

LOL - just kiddin' too Steve.

YouTube - disturbed prayer

This is really awful. Gave me a headache - oh is that why they call it head banger? Just horrible.

Wouldn't have fit obscure=different - may have fit in obscure=losers

I know for sure now heavy metal is not industrial rock
Headbanger is not Punk.

God forbid nothing like it.

No offense Sal but this is really awful.

Hey new genre - Electric Chair - meaning they should be executed (joke) for making such horrible noise and trying to pass it off as music.

However I don't think they would have deleted the thread because of it!

HAHAHAHA

[HeySal]

Pat - Disturbed is not "obscure". I've heard better accustics for their stuff - this sounds like a poorly taped live - but if you like great lyrics, this one is on the mark in
my book -- I happen to love this sound, too - but liked the cleaned up version on their disc a lot better myself, you can hear what they are saying and not so much fuzz.
These guys are actually awesome musicians if you listen to some of their other stuff. They aren't "awful" -- they just don't have the sounds that you like. They are rage
and they have one HUGE following.

I posted that particular one because of what I said to Steve in the last post - it fit. Go to Youtube and look up other songs of theirs that aren't live and you'll get more of an idea - you can usually hear the lyrics.

I know enigma - which is the other side of the new sounds - mellow, calm - More your type of sound Pat.
Try this one on for size: From the metal Opera AVANTASIA

YouTube - Avantasia - Farewell (Michael Kiske)

[Steven Wagenheim]

Pat, if you want to know what awful is, I can describe it to you. They
play this stuff at the local college station where my daughter attends.

The main characteristics are:

1. Loud and extremely fast drumming. Almost inhumanly fast.
2. Loud distorted guitars to the point where you can't make out any chords.
3. Lead singer screaming at the top of his lungs. No distinguishable lyrics.

I don't know what this type of music is called but it literally sounds like the
hounds of hell.

If anybody knows what I'm talking about and can post an example, great.

I think.

[KimW]

I think I posted an example when I posted that thread about "can anyone listen to this?" or something similar. Or maybe it was "How can anyine listen to this".

Anyway, Sal is right, disturbed is well known among the punk crowd.

The problem is what we call punk and what kids today call punk are totally different things/sounds.

By the way, that band that I posted, that my future son is law is "singing" in opened for disturbed a few months back.

The band members thought they were playing with the Gods.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Pat, if you want to know what awful is, I can describe it to you. They
play this stuff at the local college station where my daughter attends.

The main characteristics are:

1. Loud and extremely fast drumming. Almost inhumanly fast.
2. Loud distorted guitars to the point where you can't make out any chords.
3. Lead singer screaming at the top of his lungs. No distinguishable lyrics.

I don't know what this type of music is called but it literally sounds like the
hounds of hell.

If anybody knows what I'm talking about and can post an example, great.

I think.

Yeh I know exactly what you mean Stephen. I think Distrurbed is a good example - horrible.

Sorry - this will never be PUNK - rather have Punk be DEAD.

I couldn't care less about lyrics - I am a dancer - I want to hear instrumentation that you can actually dance to. OR EVEN JUST LISTEN TO.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Pat -

I know enigma - which is the other side of the new sounds - mellow, calm - More your type of sound Pat.
Try this one on for size: From the metal Opera AVANTASIA

YouTube - Avantasia - Farewell (Michael Kiske)

Thanks Sal I do like that and it would have fit in my version of obscurity - it is not however 'my type of sound' - it would be one type on the favorite side, CELTIC however.

My type of sound would be punk rock, industrial rock, original rock, psychedelic rock, Celtic, jazz, experimental, Eastern (far and middle) AND OBSCURE - but it has to be M-U-S-I-C

[Patrician]

Anyway love you guys -

we are not going to agree on everything and maybe this is one of them -

hopefully we can appreciate each other's differences

even if you are tone deaf LOLOLOL - I know most people hate Punk and I don't know many people other than you guys that share my affection in that regard - at least I think you more than tolerate it!

Anyway i think we have beat this horse to death. I need to get back to work. and get ready for my working day off work tomorrow! (read work 7 days)

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Patrician]

OMIGOD - I HAVE A TAPE like these.

I CAN'T BELIEVE EVEN THIS IS ON YOUTUBE.

NOW THIS IS O-B-S-C-U-R-E

I CAN GET HIGH NOW.

(this is FAR) aka way

YouTube - Tibetan Chant - Tara Emanations

YouTube - Buddhist Monks Of Tibet - Sand Chant...

YouTube - Buddhist Chant - Shingon

YouTube - Tibetan and Nepalese Nuns singing, Nagi...

YouTube - A Buddhist service in Kathmandu

[Patrician]

OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

YouTube - OM MEDITATION

YouTube - Gong and Tibetan Singing Bowl Meditation

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Anyway love you guys -

we are not going to agree on everything and maybe this is one of them -

hopefully we can appreciate each other's differences

even if you are tone deaf LOLOLOL - I know most people hate Punk and I don't know many people other than you guys that share my affection in that regard - at least I think you more than tolerate it!

Anyway i think we have beat this horse to death. I need to get back to work. and get ready for my working day off work tomorrow! (read work 7 days)

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Pat, I love punk...but...as with ALL music, at least for me, I can only
handle small doses. I can't listen to any one kind of music for hours on
end. Eventually, I get tired of it. Doesn't matter if it's Beatles, R&B, punk,
AC, country or whatever. That's why I like to hop around YouTube and
just listen to all sorts of stuff not even related, like ELP one minute and
Sex Pistols the next and follow that up with Carpenters.

I think this comes from growing up listening to AM radio where they played
a variety of music, unlike today where every station is specialized.

[HeySal]

The main characteristics are:

1. Loud and extremely fast drumming. Almost inhumanly fast.
2. Loud distorted guitars to the point where you can't make out any chords.
3. Lead singer screaming at the top of his lungs. No distinguishable lyrics.

Thanks Steve --
Now I understand the problem. I heard this conversation 40 years ago.
It seems that people are becoming their parents.

[Killer Joe]

How about a little Henry Rollins.

He kicks it into high gear at about the 1 minute mark...so don't miss that.

YouTube - Henry Rollins

Want more? Here 'tis...

YouTube - Rollins Band - Live At The Bizarre...

KJ

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thanks Steve --
Now I understand the problem. I heard this conversation 40 years ago.
It seems that people are becoming their parents.

Not true. I love hard rock and listen to many heavy metal bands, but when
I listen to something and it literally sounds like 100 jackhammers going at it
on a brick building, that to me is not even close to music.

I'm not my parents and never will be.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

How about a little Henry Rollins.

He kicks it into high gear at about the 1 minute mark...so don't miss that.

YouTube - Henry Rollins


Want more? Here 'tis...

YouTube - Rollins Band - Live At The Bizarre Festival 2000 - INGKING


KJ

Here he is in Black Flag. GOOD STUFF MY MOMMY HATES.

YouTube - Black Flag - Six Pack

[Steven Wagenheim]

And one other thing. Even growing up, long before I ever got married, there
was lots of stuff that I wouldn't have called music and didn't. When Industry
first came out with "New World Order" I really had to wonder what kind of
crack those guys were on. And compared to some other things, that is
Mozart. In fact, I might even marginally call it music.

Identifying something as music has nothing to do with age.

It has to do with the ability to differentiate pitched sound from noise.

Heck, I could take some pots and pans, bang them on my kitchen table
and call that music...but it doesn't make it so.

[HeySal]

That's (black flag) is what you equate with Disturbed, Drowning Pool, Tool, Il Ninio, etc? And you tell me I can't hear?

Steve - Listen to disturbe again and tell me where once you hear a beat half as fast as some of the stuff that you play.
Melody? That man has one awesome voice even if you don't like his style and he gets ragey once in a while. Listen to some of their other tunes if you can't hear it in the one I posted. Listen to some of the instrumental - runs, chords, timing, and see if you can copy them -not if you want to, but if you can. If you can't HEAR them, then choose a clean version instead of the live versions - just like people need to do with YOUR music.

I'm sticking to what I said -- You don't like it, it's noise, and it still sounds like what our parents said about Jethro Tull, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin etc.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by HeySal

That's (black flag) is what you equate with Disturbed, Drowning Pool, Tool, Il Ninio, etc? And you tell me I can't hear?

Steve - Listen to disturbe again and tell me where once you hear a beat half as fast as some of the stuff that you play.
Melody? That man has one awesome voice even if you don't like his style and he gets ragey once in a while. Listen to some of their other tunes if you can't hear it in the one I posted. Listen to some of the instrumental - runs, chords, timing, and see if you can copy them -not if you want to, but if you can. If you can't HEAR them, then choose a clean version instead of the live versions - just like people need to do with YOUR music.

I'm sticking to what I said -- You don't like it, it's noise, and it still sounds like what our parents said about Jethro Tull, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin etc.

Okay, I'm not going to argue the point any further. You attribute it to
age. I don't. I hated stuff when I was 17. I guess that made me my
parents at 17. Whatever.

As for what you posted, I didn't listen to it and wasn't speaking about it
personally. It may very well be music to me. I will go have a listen. I
was referring to the stuff they play at my daughter's college, at least
some of it. Some stuff they play, like Dragonforce, I love. But some of it,
I have no clue what key, what anything they're playing. If that makes me
my parents, then I was an old man 34 years old while still in high school.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Okay, I just went to YouTube and typed in Disturbed and picked out a
song at random...Indestructible.

This isn't even close to what I call noise. I can even sing this back after
a few listens. In fact, this song kicks ass. I'm going to go listen to some
more of their stuff.

But no, this isn't noise. I wish I could find an example of what I'm talking
about but I don't know any of the groups WSOU plays that sound like that.

Oh, by the way, these guys do remind me a little bit of Dragonforce except
that they have a harder sound that Dragonforce and Dragonforce is more
about very fast lead guitar work. Of course this is only one song so I don't
have a body of work to go on.

But this song...wow...really good.

YouTube - Disturbed - Indestructible

[Steven Wagenheim]

Okay, here is another one I listened to from Disturbed. I'm now getting a feel
for what they do. Yeah, they're in the same vein as Dragonforce but just a
little heavier. I wonder if I look them both up if they'll be classified as the
same sub genre of metal. I think this is called either speed metal or power
metal. I'm not an expert on splitting musical genres so don't crucify me if
I have this wrong. But that's my best guess.

Anyway, here is another tune I really like by them...Inside The Fire

YouTube - Disturbed-Inside The Fire (Lyrics In...

[Patrician]

Sal, I am the one that hates it.

Don't get defensive.

I'm sorry, hearing the 2nd one, I still say it sounds horrible.

We can disagree -

Please don't try to imply it means anything about Hendrix or our parents or anything else.

It is a matter of personal taste.

I love punk rock, I love industrial rock, I love most original and hard rock and roll.

I hate Distrurbed. It is disturbing.

I dislike heavy metal and hate headbangers. Always have.

In my opinion I hate this band. I am entitled.

It's okay. I am sure you don't like all the bands I like.

You don't need to insult anybody because they don't like your taste in music.

I am quite sure most people don't like my taste in music either.

Nothing you can do to shame anybody into changing their opinion.

P.S. I guess I should keep my opinion to myself though. Sorry.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Okay, this one is a little more bizarre than the first two, but still music. The
vocal sounds he makes at the beginning are a little scary, but at least he
does start "singing" at some point.

I do notice that, for the most part, the vocal parts are sung to two chords.
They're by no means Mozart, but still not the kind of stuff that I'd call true
noise. Though this one, on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being true noise) is probably
a 7. We're getting closer.

Still, I liked this in a warped sort of way.

Down With The Sickness

Yeah, that pretty much describes it.

YouTube - Disturbed - Down With The Sickness

[Frank Donovan]

Patricia, sorry to hear about your obscure thread, but this one seems to be coming along nicely...

Just to calm things down a little, here's some sublime music. If you haven't heard this before, you're in for a treat:

YouTube - The MAGIC Of Bulgarian Voices & music -...

Frank

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Sal, I am the one that hates it.

Don't get defensive.

I'm sorry, hearing the 2nd one, I still say it sounds horrible.

We can disagree -

Please don't try to imply it means anything about Hendrix or our parents or anything else. It is a matter of personal taste.

I love punk rock, I love industrial rock, I love most original and hard rock and roll.

I hate Distrurbed.

It is disturbing.

I dislike heavy metal and hate headbangers.

In my opinion I hate this band.

It's okay. I am sure you don't like all the bands I like.

You don't need to insult anybody because they don't like your taste in music.

I am quite sure most people don't like my taste in music either.

Nothing you can do to shame anybody into changing their opinion.

See Pat, I actually do not dislike heavy metal and headbangers.

What I dislike is noise.

And I guess "noise" is a very subjective thing as each person is going to
have their own definition.

One thing I never do is put somebody down for their taste in music. I may
say it's not my cup of tea and think it's noise, but I won't tell anybody
that they're a brain dead zombie for liking it.

Musical taste is completely subjective.

But as much as you dislike Disturbed, this is NOTHING next to what they
play at my daughter's college. You have to hear that stuff to believe it.

Or maybe you're better off not.

[Killer Joe]

BUSH...I have this CD and listened to a million times. It's one of my all time favorites.

YouTube - Bush - Comedown

YouTube - Bush - Glycerine

YouTube - Bush - Machinehead

YouTube - Bush - Little Things [Widescreen]

YouTube - Bush - Everything Zen [Widescreen]

I LOVE THIS KIND OF MUSIC!!!!!!

KJ

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

BUSH...I have this CD and listened to a million times. It's one of my all time favorites.


YouTube - Bush - Comedown


YouTube - Bush - Glycerine


YouTube - Bush - Machinehead


YouTube - Bush - Little Things [Widescreen]


YouTube - Bush - Everything Zen [Widescreen]


I LOVE THIS KIND OF MUSIC!!!!!!

KJ

I love this guys voice...always did.

Can tell a Bush song a mile away.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Patricia, sorry to hear about your obscure thread, but this one seems to be coming along nicely...

Just to calm things down a little, here's some sublime music. If you haven't heard this before, you're in for a treat:


YouTube - The MAGIC Of Bulgarian Voices & music - Katerino Mome - Desi Dobreva (Gold collection)



Frank

Thanks Frank - you might like to keep this other little Bulgarian goody together with this one

YouTube - 100 bag-pipes (folklore)

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Thanks Frank - you might like to keep this other little Bulgarian goody together with this one

YouTube - 100 bag-pipes (folklore)

Mmmm. Me like

{sigh} So much music...so little time.



Frank

[KenThompson]

Patrician, for whatever it's worth I made a post to your thread, then
I deleted it. Maybe I thought you wanted people to post music videos
and not so much interested in posts.

I came from a musical family and played an instrument for a long time. I
still have one last instrument that I play once in a while. It's a really nice
native american flute. Playing it relaxes the hell outta me.

I just love music but do not have the time to keep current. There's so much
cool music out there and not enough time in the day for it. My musical
tastes are all over the place.

I'm basically a r & r guy, but I imagine there are at least some songs in
any genre that I like. Sometimes I'll like a song just for the guitar, which is
what I used to play, or maybe just the melody - and everything else kinda
sucks but the melody is cool.

I've been thinking lately that I would really love to get another guitar and
learn how to play jazz guitar. Good jazz guitar is challenging, to say the
least, but it's something I'd like to do. There's some jazz guitar that just
sounds so out-there cool to me I can't describe it.

So I just wanted to post this and let you know I was not ignoring you or
your post.

See ya around.

[TimPhelan]

Hey Ken, here's a great guy to learn Jazz guitar from, Pat Martino.

A couple lessons for you:

YouTube - pat martino

YouTube - Pat Martino - Multiple Substitutions...

Here's Pat, another excellent Jazz guitarist John Scofield and Joey Defrancesco playing Sunny:

YouTube - Pat Martino & John Scofield -...

Originally Posted by KenThompson

I've been thinking lately that I would really love to get another guitar and
learn how to play jazz guitar. Good jazz guitar is challenging, to say the
least, but it's something I'd like to do. There's some jazz guitar that just
sounds so out-there cool to me I can't describe it.

[KenThompson]

Tim you're killing me, man. Whoa. That guy knows his stuff. Some of
it reminded me of back in the late 80's when I used to play with a
local guy who knew some jazz. He was a heavy metal/speed ripping
guitarist.

Thanks so much for the heads up about lessons on YT. I was wondering
about looking for someone local, but now I don't need to do that. There's
enough to keep me busy, plus I already know a lot of theory. Just need
to get a guitar, amp, and blow out the cobwebs. lol.

I'm listening to Sunny right now. That's what's so cool about jazz. Seems
you can take anything, just about, and go into orbit with it.

[GT]

Hi, Patricia:

Wow! I just found your great thread a couple of says ago, was listening to the selections late Friday night, then couldn't find the thread at all on Saturday morning! If a thread gets deleted, shouldn't some explanation be given? Crazy.

Anyway, I'll try something new and see if I can post one of the YouTube vids that was in the original thread:

YouTube - Enigma - Return To Innocence

GT

[KenThompson]

Here, Patrician and everyone else...

It's time to relax a bit to some Native American flute music.

YouTube - Native American Relaxation ~ Flute ~...

[Patrician]

Thanks GT - I sure do like Enigma - Not sure if I had this one in there but here is another one:

YouTube - Enigma - Mea Culpa

[Patrician]

Wow Thanks Ken. Good find. I was just thinking to myself how this last Enigma has Indian rhythms which are just great for dancing.

One of my fantasies is to go and dance with the POW WOW gatherings all over the US. I know I can keep up with them because it just takes the music and I can go into it. There must be a The Great Universal Spirit of Dance and I can tune in.

My thanks button is off right now but I will catch you later! Anything else you have Indian wise would be most welcome. This is going straight to Bookmarks - Eclectic

Peter Buffet did a great album that I bought on CD called 'Spirit Dance' that has many tribal songs, and I have tried to find it on Youtube and can't find much - he gets mixed up with the other Buffets including Warren the Millionaire and then the one that is so popular Jimmy I think.

These are a few of the songs from the album.

YouTube - Spirit 7th Fire Peter Buffett and Hawk...

YouTube - Spirit, "Spirit Dance"

[TimPhelan]

Glad you liked that Ken. Here's another lesson from a well known jazz guitarist and in a much slower explanation that Pat Martino:

YouTube - Larry Coryell Jazz Guitar Lesson: Jazz...

Here's another performance by John Scofield with the late great bass player Jaco Pastorius:

YouTube - Jaco Pastorius and John Scofield - The...

Here's a jazz guitarist more obscure but definitely one of my favorites of all time. Maybe only Pat has ever heard of him here on the Warrior forum, but he was doing stuff on guitar 40 something years ago that nobody, I mean nobody, else was.

YouTube - Sonny Sharrock Knitting Factory 1988

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Tim you're killing me, man. Whoa. That guy knows his stuff. Some of
it reminded me of back in the late 80's when I used to play with a
local guy who knew some jazz. He was a heavy metal/speed ripping
guitarist.

Thanks so much for the heads up about lessons on YT. I was wondering
about looking for someone local, but now I don't need to do that. There's
enough to keep me busy, plus I already know a lot of theory. Just need
to get a guitar, amp, and blow out the cobwebs. lol.

I'm listening to Sunny right now. That's what's so cool about jazz. Seems
you can take anything, just about, and go into orbit with it.

[KimW]

Patrician,
You said:"One of my fantasies is to go and dance with the POW WOW gatherings all over the US. "

Well, I haven't all over the US, but I have danced AT a pow wow with indians while I was a teenager in Oklahoma. Had knee high mocasins on,which at the time, was my everyday shoes.

[Patrician]

Wow Kim. What an honor.

Yeh, I remember those knee high moccasins - the hippy guys wore them alot in the 60s - they are cool. I had just the ankle high version.

Dang these threads are addictive. I can't get any work done without coming back here every 10 minutes! LOL. Not to mention watching all the videos on the Youtube page that are related to the songs.

Anybody need an online video dejay? I could do this all day! Great fun.

...oh wait i DO do this all day long...

[KenThompson]

Originally Posted by KimW

Patrician,
You said:"One of my fantasies is to go and dance with the POW WOW gatherings all over the US. "

Well, I haven't all over the US, but I have danced AT a pow wow with indians while I was a teenager in Oklahoma. Had knee high mocasins on,which at the time, was my everyday shoes.

Hey Kim... Yes, I had the mid-calf and ankle moccasins and wore them to dust. Then
I'd get some more.

I lived in Oklahoma when I was very young, in extreme southwest Oklahoma. In fact,
my mother is from Ada, and I have relatives in western Oklahoma.

Where did you live in OK?

Patrician... Sure, glad you liked the music. We used to attend pow wow's a lot back in
the day. I remember a big one in DC/Baltimore area in the early 80's. It was really
cool and met a lot of indians.