3 kids with swine flu and 20% of all Kids in US have had flu this month!

Wow - This thing is very frightening to me. It seems to be spreading fast. Not to get too personal, but how are your kids handling it? Are they very ill?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but I honestly think that they are downplaying how serious this thing actually may get.

Talking with my family back in Michigan they say basically the same thing. I see friends and family posting stuff on facebook everday about their kids getting the flu.

Its crazy. I hope it doesn't get real bad, specially by Jan. or Feb. when these things usually spike in the U.S. The CDC's website has those charts and it doesn't look good.

Eric.

The Southern Hemisphere has just finished it's flu season, and no pandemic. What a surprise. Yet the Australians are talking about mandatory vaccines at the same time everyone else is rolling it out, this Oct/Nov. This makes no sense at all. There certainly isn't a scientific or medical case for vaccinating when the flu season is over.

Nobody seems to be at all suspicious that the seasonal flu has graciously made way for "Swine Flu". How many SF cases are actually laboratory confirmed as such, I wonder.

Sweden has been in full swing with the vaccines and the side effects are racking up. The authorities have decided to treat them all as "coincidences", and most Governments seem to have copied Bush and granted legal immunity to BigPharma. If they do get sued, any compensation comes from the taxpayers.

"Yesterday 30 people had been reporting to the authorities in Sweden that they experienced such severe side effects that they felt the need to contact a hospital. Today the number is 140. The swedish newspaper Expressen is the only one in Sweden reporting on these cases and as usual this is most likely only the tip of a rather large iceberg. UPDATE: According to Dagens Nyheter, the number of reported side effects are now a few hours later 190. 1 person dies after the injection but "no direct relation with the injection has been established". The biggest medical scandal in the history of Sweden has just started....."

Nurses got sick from the "swine flu" vaccine in Sweden ? UPDATE - 1 suspected death

On the plus side, New York has apparently decided against mandatory vaccines for health workers. Hopefully others will follow suit.

This article/interview is well worth checking out, from Dr Joseph Mercola, relating to a piece 60 Minutes recently did on Swine Flu.........

ALERT: Special Swine Flu Update#

Yes people are getting sick from swine flu -- but deaths in flu related illnesses (that usually are what kill people with flu) are fewer than normal for yearly flus. So why the panic? Drug sales. If you are told you MUST vaccinate your kid - ask to see the bottle and pkg that the vaccine comes in. You will find most say "18 and over" -- so you might wanna refuse the vaccine because they are tooting "off-label" usage. THe stats show that deaths from flu in under 5 yr olds really skyrocketed when they started giving vaccines to them. Not worth the risk right there........then if you want to consider the thermasol, holy crap.

I have no desire to get a swine flue vaccine. Too untested and rushed to market. Plus i'm seeing stories of people that are getting off the wall nervous system issues after vaccination

My feeling on this is that your body has an immune system just for this purpose, if you just let it do its job naturally

No, that is the part of the mass propaganda campaign I would recommend not buying into...

Flu can be a serious illness for some... like myself who have Asthma if they develop infections like Bronchitis or Pneumonia following the flu...

But I have learned over the years how to care for myself to limit the potential for additional infections...

At first sign of sickness I eliminate dairy from my diet to reduce mucus. I also eat healthy to begin with, try and get proper nutrition, and I have experience using medicinal foods as well to help along the healing process.

Most effected with h1n1 experience normal flu symptoms and it can vary from case to case... from severe to almost unnoticeable.

News stories can be very deceptive... telling you that someone who was perfectly healthy had complications...

That could be any number of causes. We know nothing about diet, lifestyle, cleanliness, exposure to other viruses while sick, and what activities they did while sick or how they took car of themselves.

For us... its just the normal flu stuff... a little nausia and vomiting, high fever, dry cough, feeling poorly, and for the other two similar... that does not mean we are out of the woods... but we're dealing with it and hopefully with the proper care and rest we can avoid bronchial infections.

As for the vaccine debate... I think everyone should make an educated decision. I am not a fan of regular flu vaccine because of its history as one of the remaining bastions of mercury based preservative.

I don't know if that is the case with the new h1n1 vaccine but I am also no fan of being a test patient for an untested vaccine like the h1n1 vaccine that does not have long term track record or data to back it up...

I agree with Dr. Ron Paul's opinions:


I think each individual needs to make their own decision.

Personally... for our family, its just another flu, though particularly virulent and contagious. So far we seem to be dealing with it well...

Its not the flu that is the real danger... its pneumonia or other underlying health and immune system issues combined with the swine flu.

In 1918 approx 50 million people died as a result of a flu pandemic.

Up to that point health care was widely quackery and snake oil. The average person in the us spent just $5 a year on health care (equal to about $100 today) and that was to buy remedies that had no real value.

Health care, the way we take car of ourselves, precautionary measures, and treatments are a lot better now.

Since that time modern health care has emerged... so far there have been around 5000 swine flu related deaths worldwide this year... that is related. Likely other factors such as bacterial infections and chronic illnesses contributed to a number of those.

Also it is reported that h1n1 responds well to tamaflu which does not have as good of results on the seasonal flu.

Hey Josh

I hope they all get better soon. I'm in London and it's starting to hit here, cases doubled since last week. I have a 3 year old daughter so I'm a bit worried, but just gotta hope we all pull through.

Phil

What gets me is that hospitals are saying that they are now shaking hands less, washing hands, limiting visitors, to limit sickness.

That is IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!! It won't do ANY good!!!!! UNLESS!!!!!! UNLESS!!!!!!!!! They weren't doing it before!

In other words, they are trying to look like they are careful, etc... and get PRAISE when, in REALITY, they are ADMITING the malpractice they always did.

And believe me, I noticed that first hand when I saw how they treated ME, aand they wanted me to cough VERY hard to make sure I could spit out the phlegm from the sicknesses that only THEY could expose me to. Luckily, I managed to avoid it.

Steve

Both my girls and my wife had swine flu last month and I am the only one who is still to be affected. As I have asthma as well, I feel that I should get the vaccine if it is offered to me.

I don't think there was any hype about the speed of spread. In fact, it was probably underestimated. One of the biggest mistakes made was that the WHO and the national health authorities thought that it could be controlled or at least slowed down. But we obviously have much more air travel and trade than the last pandemic in 1968. This is becoming the fastest spreading influenza pandemic ever.

As far as deaths go, although the overall mortality rate is comparable or even lower than H3N2. There is a big difference.

The Associated Press: New info shows swine flu still hardest on young

"Swine flu deaths were concentrated in young and middle-aged adults. A third of all deaths were people ages 25 through 49; another third were 50 to 64.

Only 12 percent of deaths occurred in elderly. That's a stark contrast to the roughly 90 percent of deaths in the elderly from seasonal flu, Schuchat said at a Tuesday press conference."

With seasonal flu, a lot of deaths occur in elderly people who are likely to die from some other causes anyway. But with swine flu, the deaths are concentrated in young and middle aged adults. Therefore the social impact of deaths would be much higher.

The reason why the elderly seems to be protected against swine flu is that H1N1 was in wide circulation before 1957. If it had not, the number of deaths from this pandemic would be much, much worse.

Derek

As much as flu viruses hate ascorbic acid and Vit D3, I don't understand why people would risk the dangers of tami-flu or vaccines instead of just beefing up their intake of oranges, tomatoes, peppers, etc and getting some darned sunshine. It doesn't make any sense to me. People out here are sick in droves - but we get lots of outdoors here and a LOT of the right nutrients and nobody in this house is sick even with a kid in school with kids coughing in her face all day. That's my proof that the doctors who attest to ascorbic acid and D3 seem to know what they are saying.

BTW - Josh. Thermasol is what they are calling mercury in vaccines now - makes people less aware than to call it by it's real name. But that's what it is.
I have asthma (I control it better than any doctor ever managed to) and I smoke. I have only had the flu a few times in my life, but when I feel like my lungs are getting swollen or infected I take cayenne and ginger and it clears up any problem I have with my breathing -- that and your suggestion of avoiding dairy. I've been to a doctor once in 12 years - and that was a dentist.

This thing is getting weird....Reuters have reported that BO has signed a proclamation declaring Swine Flu a National Emergency, which sounds ominous. Obama declares swine flu a national emergency | Markets | Bonds News | Reuters

But then there is this (pasted below) from CBS, which is directly contradicting the scaremongering. Guess things aren't going to plan when even the mainstream media is deciding it's all bollox.

(They've just sent out millions of summonses over here, to invite "vulnerable" people to go get their jabs. Unfortunately, there's a postal strike on, so could be a few weeks before the backlog gets cleared. Things definitely don't seem to be proceeding smoothly. )

CBS quotage:

Where is it? :confused:

(BTW Indy, some of the text on your page gets cut off by the black sidebar when viewing with IE7)

The only error I found was calling Dr Diane Harper Susan.

Nice collection of sustainability books. Groovy!

Anyone can argue doctors and news results or cdc surveys and graphs. But the truth of the matter is to ask yourself. Because asking yourself is what is most important anyway. Being influenced by media and people that goto school for half their lives and have basically no sense of anything else other than what they are looking in to, is not being true. Ask yourself one question. Do I feel that I know more people that are sick with the flu than what I remember? Obviously this is my opinion. But "I" feel that people rely on other people way to much to answer questions that they already know.

Eric.

OK, personal observations of a household can't be taken as fact, because the chances of infection INCREASE as you are closely confined with other people. The OPs post surprised me because he spoke of a wider study that claimed 20% of the US is infected!
I have seen, or heard, over a hundred people every day for the past few months, and very few even seem SICK! A couple seem to be REALLY bad from time to time but, based on symptoms and frequency, I would say it is some type of malady like bronchitis.

The later statement of:

Shows an utter LACK of competence! One wonders why there is a conspiracy going on. I know there HAS to be a conspiracy because I can't be the ONLY one that noticed that almost EVERY death reported earlier even "IN THE US" was a person from MEXICO! I believe I even mentioned that here earlier. In one case, they discussed it several times before they mentioned that the infants mother was visiting from mexico. In other cases, they said "US DEATH" most of the time, but in the details, they mentioned FROM MEXICO.

Deaths, especially to the elderly and very young, OFTEN happen, regardless, but perhaps the first dozen reports were FAKE and NONSENSE, so one wonders how many others are valid. NOBODY is THAT scared of the flu. It is the idea of death that is the determining factor.

Heck, If I ran the government, I would want to find out how many deaths occured, and what country the people were born in and recently visited, or had a vistor from.

IMAGINE the SHOCK if everyone in mexico were suddenly told that there was a major "enterotoxigenic Escherichia coli" epidemic, and that people have DIED, etc.... HECK, its symptoms aren't great ANYWAY! Mexico DOES have an "enterotoxigenic Escherichia coli" epidemic! It MIGHT have caused deaths! But Mexicans are SO used to it that they don't get the symptoms. Probably NONE of them die from it. Americans CAN get sick though, and that is why americans are told "DON'T DRINK THE WATER". In fact, "enterotoxigenic Escherichia coli" is nicknamed "montezuma's revenge". Who knows? Maybe that is part of the reason they are susceptible to H1N1.

Steve

Everyone seems to have swine flu lately. Luckily for me I just got my vaccine for it =)

My wife and son were diagnosed with the swine flu on Friday from their doctor. Luckily, they are showing only mild symptoms, with no fever.

(While researching the swine flu, I found that a fever may or may not be present.)

Now I'm showing the same symptoms, and my work sent me home. When I called my doctor (a different doctor, not the same one my wife and kids use), they said I should be fine if there is no fever present.

So now I have to go to work because I will not have a doctors excuse in order to get paid, and I'll probably be spreading the flu around to others. (I'll probably use the rest of my vacation time to avoid this situation)

Do your own research and do what it takes to protect yourself, because no one else will. Your doctors and nurses are probably not well informed.

I'm thinking the mild symptoms that my family is experiencing is due to the advice HeySal gave us many months ago. I had us all taking Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C, but probably not in high enough doses to keep the virus completely at bay. (But that's only an uneducated guess)

Derek Wong,

I know you're not Nostradamus, and a crystal ball is not very scientific with your training, but is this swine flu likely to mutate so we'll see different strains of this every year?

If we do see different strains, will it likely be less dangerous to kids and young adults since their bodies will now recognize this swine flu?

Dave

Yes Steve, they do, which is why you don't have to be over 100 to be immune to that virus - only pre-vaccine. Many studies are showing that the natural immune system is effective, and vaccines are only effective for 1 strain, and you need redose. And yes - I have had several relatives live to be over 100 (two to 110) and they NEVER got flu shots and they never got sick either. Mentally sharp, physically independent. They died quickly, not lingering illnesses -- their hearts stopped beating while they were sleeping. Not a bad way to go.

But they lived most of their lives before high toxins were rampant - in water, in food, etc...and their immune systems were quite healthy.

I had swine flu back in July and it was the worst flu I have ever had.

However I did get over it fairly quickly and in fact was in hospital for an operation 3 weeks after the first symptoms showed up.

I think unless you have some previous respritory conditions as the Op does or other in anither at risk group (such as pregnant women) I think it's just another illness but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone

Not really, Tim. You get hundreds of millions of people worldwide with flu every year still. That one was a bad one and it happened before people understood these types of illnesses. Aspirin was a drug that killed many of the flu victims in that round, not flu.

Yes, we are living longer - but much of that can be contributed to other factors such as controlled heat/cooling -- access to nutrients in winter that weren't once available, or to people who had no previous access. A lot of our modern lifestyle can account for longer lifespans. At the same time, however, people have become generally less healthy. Obesity is rampant - and that is one of the worst health issues going. More and more autistic kids - or generally drugged kids, more asthma, more cancer.

While medicine has come a long way in helping to treat many of these illnesses....it doesn't do anything for preventing the growing incidence of disease.

I'm not totally against the Medical community...but I think that our populations are very generally ill even if their lifespan can be artificially lengthened. People used to die of asthma and now there is medicine for it......but there is also about 3 times the incidence of it. So we aren't healthy...we're actually much more ill, we just know how to sustain the illnesses better. The medical community is making hundreds of billions because people are NOT healthier.

It is innately a juxtaposition and a contradiction to an extent. But to another extent we now have the means to prolong our lifespans, it seems we should look for ways to do so with a bit more health involved in that life.

Well my daughter woke up with it this morning. She vomited a couple of times, and had a fever for a couple of hours, but it quickly went away and she has been ok for most of the day now (thank God!)

I'm starting to feel some pain in my chest now however. Waiting to see how bad it gets. I'm not exactly the healthiest eater, but I do exercise regularly and drink a lot of fluids.

Ugh, swine flu is getting more and more common at my school. There's a rumor a 9 year old kid died of it, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.

Gary...your daughter throws up a few times is okay afterwards, yet you attribute that to the flu? Sounds to me like low grade food poisoning or post nasal drip.

One thing I've noticed is that every year during flu season every time people don't feel right they attribute it to the flu. Flu is a pulmonary ailment.

I tend to be an over protective dad (and a tad bit paranoid where my children are concerned). Thank God no one at my Children's school has H1N1. It would definitely hit too close to home - they are all home schooled. No guarantee against anything but at least it decreases the odds.

Steve - it would stand to reason that if the flu is ingested it might cause distress in the abdominal tract........a very good time to give someone a dish of yogurt....and let the calcium do its work of increasing stomach acid to levels which will annihilate the bacteria. That is another thing I found in my research was people had much more difficulty when eating anti-acids. Makes much sense to me. Same with food poisoning...calcium. It promotes the production of stomach acid and that acid kills many bacterias and I would presume it can do a dose of damage to virus as well.

Indy - it's SUNNY and mostly dry in CA. Go figure.

Umm...Vaccine for the regular flu has to change every year, and is tested about the same as H1N1 vaccine.

Plus it's not like you are forced to take it. I got swine flu over the summer before a vaccine was available.

I tend to have severe asthma while sick (which is weird, I can play sports and job fine, but when I get sick it's horrible) let's just say it wasn't pretty.

I really wish I was able to get a vaccine before then.

Those numbers are totally mis-represented. They only 'claim' that it is the swine flu b/c it isn't "regular flu season" yet....you have to be tested to determine that it is really swine flu. Most schools and agencies are just assuming that it is.

These flu shots are hilarious to me: they have such a low efficacy rate (2-3%) in past years, yet people flock and pay $20-$30 to get poison injected in their bloodstream. Not me.....

Too many vaccines in my opinion...why? Hello...... BIG PHARMA $$$$$$$$$$$$$
It's one of the biggest lobby groups in the government.

By the way, the swine flu doesn't have a higher death rate than the normal flu...just more publicity....the media loves hype and scare tactics.