Over or under? This is also serious stuff.

[Michael Oksa]

Well, I just read the most interesting post about whether or not the toilet seat should be left up or down.

That got me to thinking about related "serious" topic...

When changing the roll of toilet paper, do you make it so it goes over the roll, or under?

I prefer under.

My wife prefers over.

What's the solution?

~Michael

[Dave Patterson]

Over.

Just over....please.

[Dave Patterson]

YouTube - How to install a roll of toilet paper

[ThomM]

Problem solved in this house.
The paper roll sits on a small stool next to the toilet.
The only wall close enough to the toilet for a paper holder is in back of the toilet.

[Fernando Veloso]

Both.

My kids don't make distinctions and they wrap that paper all over the house.

White Christmas - even in March!!!!

[myob]

Over or under is not as important as having the first two or three sheets hanging down for easy access.
Trying to find the beginning of the roll may result in severe damage.

[Dave Patterson]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I didn't know men knew how to do this. <ducks>

I even know how to wash my own clothes AND cook for myself...

[John M Kane]

under
this causes a slight but useful amount of 'lift' to the roll.(not related to aerodymanic lift)
Doing so, you'll notice the roll has less friction on the roller which helps to prevent
Premature Toilet Paper Detachment.So, you can easily pull out 10-15 feet or more of one continuous portion to do your bidnez.

over
causes more friction on roller.
load this way if you wish your guests use less paper and or you are nearing the end of the last roll in the house and expect you'll need to make at least another 'pit stop' before going for groceries to replenish the TP.

For those guests you wish would GTFH put some shims in the ends of the roller to prevent the roll from moving at all so, only single sheets at a time can be removed.
Yes, they can remove the roll from the roller.
For those guests who are rocket scientists, I would devise something that is spring loaded which flies out when the roller is removed.
maybe some ball bearings, to give them something to think about next time they feel like not playing fair and using more than they 'should be'.
another idea is to have it hooked up to a mp3 player with the sound of that warning you hear in movies just before the submarine dives or the space ship self destructs.
btw make sure you have stocked up on TP BEFORE you have that next Texas Chili beer party.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Under (as in coming from behind the roll) generally will make the roll go longer as people pull more off when it comes over. That's the only difference that I know of.

Yeah, I know all sorts of very odd tightwad tips...lol.

Tina

That's my theory, too. Another way is to give the roll a slight squeeze so the cardboad tube is oval, this allows it to turn, but not freely.

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Thank you, Dave! I now have an instructional video for the rest of the members of my household. They didn't seem to understand my directions nor demonstrations so perhaps the video will get through.

Tina

Edited: Never mind. They're doing it wrong...lol. Although I'm amazed that it's a guy's voice in the video. I didn't know men knew how to do this. <ducks>

And I will duck, because I didn't know women knew how to do this. I have my own bathroom downstairs. However, more often than not, I get a call from the restroom, "Hoooonnneyyy!!!" and I know what that means. And I don't even use the TP upstairs!

That being said, when we had one bathroom, we had a simple rule: Whoever changes the roll gets to decide which way it goes.

All the best,
Michael

[Tina Golden]

For those guests you wish would GTFH put some shims in the ends of the roller to prevent the roll from moving at all so, only single sheets at a time can be removed.

Squish the roll a bit before you put it on and it won't roll easy. I did this to train children that they do not need 15 feet of paper for one tiny behind.

Tina

[Tina Golden]

And I will duck, because I didn't know women knew how to do this. I have my own bathroom downstairs. However, more often than not, I get a call from the restroom, "Hoooonnneyyy!!!" and I know what that means. And I don't even use the TP upstairs!

I've been married twice, raised three children and now have a partner and two nieces we're finishing raising. My longest standing job has been Official Toilet Paper Changing Engineer...lol. Neither of my two husbands nor my son seemed to be able to grasp the mechanics of the task. Although, neither have any of the females besides me, either.

Tina

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I've been married twice, raised three children and now have a partner and two nieces we're finishing raising. My longest standing job has been Official Toilet Paper Changing Engineer...lol. Neither of my two husbands nor my son seemed to be able to grasp the mechanics of the task. Although, neither have any of the females besides me, either.

Tina

LOL

Sounds like we're kindred spirits in the oddest of ways.

What always gets me is, why don't they look BEFORE they get situated?

I never understood that. I mean, you're going in there, you know the process, doesn't it make sure you have the paperwork to get the job done?



~M~

[myob]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Under (as in coming from behind the roll) generally will make the roll go longer as people pull more off when it comes over. That's the only difference that I know of.

Yeah, I know all sorts of very odd tightwad tips...lol.

Tina

You have to be on the lookout for flippers. Some a**hole will flip the roll over and completely wipe you out.

[Dave Patterson]

Originally Posted by myob

Some a**hole will flip the roll over and completely wipe you out.

Now THAT is talent....

[Paul Myers]

Tina,

I'm amazed that it's a guy's voice in the video. I didn't know men knew how to do this.

We know all sorts of things that might surprise you. For proof of that, look at the homes of most bachelors over the age of 30. The confusion occurs because most women don't get much chance to observe men around the house until after they've gotten married. Shortly after that point, a great many men forget everything they ever knew about basic household maintenance.

I blame it on our lower tolerance for pain.


Paul

[Tina Golden]

I just have to share this with everyone. I belong to Paul's newsletter, of course. I just had a brief email exchange with him and he mentioned this thread. It then struck me just how appropriate the title of that particular email was in relationship to this thread: Take a stand, or take a seat!

Gave me a giggle

Tina

PS. How embarrassing is it for a ghostwriter to reply to one of the best writers I know and have a typo? Oops.

[Dave Patterson]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I just have to share this with everyone. I belong to Paul's newsletter, of course. I just had a brief email exchange with him and he mentioned this thread. It then struck me just how appropriate the title of that particular email was in relationship to this thread: Take a stand, or take a seat!

Gave me a giggle

Tina

PS. How embarrassing is it for a ghostwriter to reply to one of the best writers I know and have a typo? Oops.

He's quite the gentleman.

He probably never even noticed....aloud.

[Tina Golden]

I'm sure he would notice but as you say, he's a gentleman. I, of course, noticed a nano-second AFTER hitting send.

Tina

[HeySal]

Q:How many men does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

A: No one knows. It's never happened.

[Paul Myers]

Dave,

He's quite the gentleman.

Only offline.

I refuse to become a Grammar Cop, even online. Especially given my penchant for typos...


Paul

[Steven Wagenheim]

Maybe this will answer the question?

YouTube - Over Under Sideways Down - Yardbirds...

But is it even possible with a roll of toilet paper???

[KenThompson]

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

I even know how to wash my own clothes AND cook for myself...

I can tie my own shoes!

As for the only solution to the toilet paper issue...

Get rid of it. All of it.

Place the old telephone books on the floor right next
to the toilet.

Problem solved.

[Kat Bartone]

Under (as in coming from behind the roll) generally will make the roll go longer as people pull more off when it comes over. That's the only difference that I know of.

I think that's true. Maybe men need less than women - which if true, could explain Michael's and his wife's dilemma.

So, just a gender thing? I DO prefer over...

- kat

[myob]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Maybe this will answer the question?

YouTube - Over Under Sideways Down - Yardbirds (Page)

But is it even possible with a roll of toilet paper???

Thank you Steven! By George, I think you've got it! Just throw in a roll, and leave it there wherever it lands. You'll probably still catch hell for it, but you can always say it was the thought that counts.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Q:How many men does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

A: No one knows. It's never happened.

Then why am I the only one that does it home, when I don't even use the upstairs bathroom?

Just sayin'



~M~

[myob]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Then why am I the only one that does it home, when I don't even use the upstairs bathroom?

Just sayin'



~M~

But you probably always get it backwards, so a woman has to come in behind you and correct it.
The guys will never win.

[Dave Patterson]

We don't want to fight, argue, or answer questions...

"We just want a beer and to see sumpin' nekkid"
-Jeff Foxworthy

[myob]

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

We don't want to fight, argue, or answer questions...

"We just want a beer and to see sumpin' nekkid"
-Jeff Foxworthy

Thanks alot, Dave. You got me laughing so hard, my beer splattered all over the place.
Now I'm gonna catch hell from the wife for making a mess in the livingroom and the bathroom.

[Dave Patterson]

Originally Posted by myob

Thanks alot, Dave. You got me laughing so hard, my beer splattered all over the place.
Now I'm gonna catch hell from the wife for making a mess in the livingroom and the bathroom.

Oppppssss.....sorry.

[CDarklock]

Hang the roll under, and you get all kinds of useful logical benefits. Most of them are covered here, with the notable exception of "if the paper is in a location that's hard to see while seated on the toilet, you can more easily locate the hanging tail if you hang it under." This is also useful if you are in a house full of computer and music geeks who frequently pop the circuit breaker - sometimes while you're on the toilet, so you have to finish in the dark. There is no room in the house darker than the bathroom. I mean, complete pitch blackness. Ask any kid who owns toys that glow in the dark.

But if you hang the roll over, it's prettier. So the average woman - who cares about "pretty" in the bathroom, for some ludicrous reason I simply don't grasp - wants it hung over. And since I don't really care one way or the other, I hang it over simply because I don't want some woman horrified to discover that I hang it "wrong." I've heard women claim they broke up with boyfriends over this.

[HeySal]

But if you hang the roll over, it's prettier. So the average woman - who cares about "pretty" in the bathroom, for some ludicrous reason I simply don't grasp - wants it hung over. And since I don't really care one way or the other, I hang it over simply because I don't want some woman horrified to discover that I hang it "wrong." I've heard women claim they broke up with boyfriends over this.

Okay.....I made my completely sexist and insensitive joke, so now I can make a very honest statement that:

IF you were to ask me right now whether I hang it up or down, I'd have to go look and see, and then couldn't guarantee you that is the way it is hung every time I change a roll. I have been known to just stick the roll on the floor and not even hang it until after a few uses. The lid as well as seat are always down because I have animals and do not fancy a wet slurping kiss unexpectedly hitting my face after he decided maybe to sneak an illicit slurp or two instead of asking me to fill his bowl.

I really never would think that these issues would actually come up in a REAL conversation in a household. IF they really do.......maybe it's time to think of getting out more together and finding something fun to do together to talk about later instead of being stuck philosophizing about which way a toilet roll functions the best. How many times can you discuss it before boredom drives you to divorce? What's on next week's topic list....how many drops of dish soap is required to fulfill the task without under/over usage?

Buy a bidet and just hang his and hers towels......and refrain from conversations whether the towel needs two or three folds.

[Lawrh]

Get a Japanese toilet. Not only do they include a bidet, they also have
a toasty warm air blow dryer. No paper, no towels needed.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by Lawrh

Get a Japanese toilet. Not only do they include a bidet, they also have
a toasty warm air blow dryer. No paper, no towels needed.

And we have a winner!

[Thomas]

This very topic is covered in Chapter 9, Pgs. 111 -113 of "Work The System" by Sam Caprenter to illustrate lack of innate systems thinking by the vast majority of people.

Needless to say, a systemic analysis of the act of loading toilet paper on a toilet paper dispenser, and of the toilet paper retrieval process, gives only one possible conclusion...

Over.

[Michael Oksa]

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care which way it goes. I prefer it under, but my bathroom downstairs doesn't even have a holder, so it doesn't matter.

And for those who argue about it (I've seen it happen, almost coming to blows), I'd humbly suggest my original solution is a good one. Whoever chages the roll, gets to decide.

Simple.



~M~

[Ron Kerr]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Well, I just read the most interesting post about whether or not the toilet seat should be left up or down.

That got me to thinking about related "serious" topic...

When changing the roll of toilet paper, do you make it so it goes over the roll, or under?

I prefer under.

My wife prefers over.

What's the solution?

~Michael

Michael, I am disappointed that you have breached my copyright on the "serious stuff".

While I admit the over/under argument interests me (over, of course), this does not excuse your breach of copyright.

Be advised that the full resources of Nar Nar Goon will be used against you.

If you have trouble finding Nar Nar Goon, it is just north of Koo Wee Rup.

I must warn you that you are likely to be attacked by bunyips, which are native to the area.

Shame on you.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by Ron Kerr

Michael, I am disappointed that you have breached my copyright on the "serious stuff".

While I admit the over/under argument interests me (over, of course), this does not excuse your breach of copyright.

Be advised that the full resources of Nar Nar Goon will be used against you.

If you have trouble finding Nar Nar Goon, it is just north of Koo Wee Rup.

I must warn you that you are likely to be attacked by bunyips, which are native to the area.

Shame on you.

My sincerest apologies, Ron.

Let's just flush the whole thing.

~M~

[Ron Kerr]

Apology accepted.

I can tell the bunyips to go to bed as it is very late here.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Lawrh

Get a Japanese toilet. Not only do they include a bidet, they also have
a toasty warm air blow dryer. No paper, no towels needed.

But installing a Japanese toilet with air blower could take all day.
Installing a roll of toilet paper - 20 seconds max.
And unlike such fancy gadgets, even if you get the roll in backwards, it still works.
Also, with a toilet roll, you don't even need to have it completely installed before using.
Some of us heavy eaters and drinkers just don't have all day to mess around with contraptions like that.

[llamafier]

I never really thought about that... I guess it would have to be over. Just doesn't seem right the other way.

[John M Kane]

Any predictions how soon a single sheet of TP(one ply) is worth more than a single Dollar Bill or has that already occurred?

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by John M Kane

Any predictions how soon a single sheet of TP(one ply) is worth more than a single Dollar Bill or has that already occurred?

When it comes to the bathroom 1 sheet of any ply toilet paper is always worth more then a dollar bill. Do you know how dirty money really is