The TSA is capturing MORE terrorists!

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I have to say, the TSA is a JOKE! I fly an average of about 2-4 flights per month, and have flown through over about 35 different airports, and once flew internationally, so I know this pretty well.

10 years ago, they subjected me to tests that would have found that idiot this last Christmas. HECK, for a time, they did something similar at logan about 2 years ago. Maybe they got sued for not warning people about the air jets that COULD be dangerous, because they don't have them anymore! I warned them about that, by the way, but THEY DON'T CARE! Still, they got rid of the bomb residue checks. Though they have dogs, SUPPOSEDLY, at logan, I have practically NEVER seen them!

I got to denmark WITHOUT them checking for a passport AND, once there, they stamped the wrong month of arrival into my passport!

You are FORBIDDEN from suggesting ANYTHING to tsa! Any attempt to do so will be met with disdain, possibly suspicion and more scrutinizing, and could even possibly land you in jail and court. And They WON'T listen to you anyway! They figure they know EVERYTHING! That is crazy, since they once did things like check cars, limit local access, check for bomb residue, watch for unattended bags, etc.... Such things would have caught people like that shoe bomber, underwear bomber, etc... but they decide to STOP doing those things AND, when they ran into a problem, decided to use things that aren't so tried and true.

And I once checked a gun, in the proper way, and they searched me TWICE!!!!! That is ODD, since the airport is supposedly a "sterile area" and generally NOT subject to searches. THAT is why they have the security areas. Yet they decided to search me just before I got onto a plane. And I was a FREQUENT FLYER! They KNEW me! Just so you know, the gun was unloaded, there was no ammo anywhere, and the gun was checked through and I had NO way to get it. I declared it and they knew it was there and there was a note on top of all the stuff in the suitcase saying all this. That was per THEIR stated policy!

Well, this takes the cake!

Joan Rivers, a.k.a. Joan Rosenberg, a.k.a. Potential Terrorist -- Daily Intel

HEY, I don't like her! I hope she keeps quiet on any flight I am on. Still, that is the ONLY "fear" I have about her. I would rather have her and her whole family fly(her daughter really takes after her) than ONE bomber,

Steve
  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    The problem is that the security infrastructure of the TSA needs to be completely stripped down and rebuilt. Instead of doing this, cost savers in the administration (Of the airports/airlines etc..) keep trying to find "Quick Fixes".

    If we want ultrasecure, and exceptionally speedy security services in the airports all we need to do is hire a contractor from Israel. Those folks have been dealing with this sort of thing for decades, and they dont have 2 hours waiting lines.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, I think they just need a somewhat intelligent person that has been through this a few times in the past 2 decades to sit down an hour or two and write out the standards. If someone gets super careless and/or intentionally breaks it, maybe they should throw them in jail and say "BY THE WAY, when you get out, DON'T try looking for a job in security, law, or the US government! GOOD LUCK!"! It SOUNDS harsh, but WHAT is the alternative? BILLIONS of dollars of assets DESTROYED! LIVES LOST! A NATIONAL DISGRACE!

    I mean a lot of this stuff has been done BEFORE! One story, after 9/11/2001, said 30% of those working at LAX(One of the largest and most used airports in California, also known as "the los angeles airport" Wikipedia says it is the 7th busiest in the world) were ex FELONS! And THEY are supposed to be running SECURITY!?!?!? HOW MANY lives have to be put in jeopardy before they say enough is enough, and MEAN it!?!?

    I once almost saw a guy get SHOT at LAX, after 9/11 because he was trying to go to the parking area near the building. He ACTED like he was deaf, people called to him, and he was half way there before the MILITARY guard started to seem to react. There was NO reason for him to go there as nobody was allowed to park there anymore, etc...

    I don't know about how they handle that NOW, but they, last I knew, did away with checks for explosive residue! Are we to always go between the two extremes, and possibly end up WORSE!?!? BTW a lawyer called into a talk show and said he saw that bomber get a ticket at the last minute WITHOUT a passport! The bomber to be was escorted but a person that was obviously not lacking money, and handled the transaction. IFC News Exclusive Audio: Was Bomber Ushered on to Flight 253 Without Papers?

    ALSO, they recently reported that some KEY cameras were down over a week!

    They keep saying that we have to stay a step AHEAD of them. I disagree. It has been DONE BEFORE! I think we need to keep what we had, and only make sure it is applied well.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    It doesnt matter how precise you make the plan to check people when the TSA hires people for $9. You're not going to get a great investigative mind for that.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      It doesnt matter how precise you make the plan to check people when the TSA hires people for $9. You're not going to get a great investigative mind for that.
      YEAH, but for $9, you expect someone to know what AKA or "Also Known As" means! You expect them to know what a gun looks like. How about swabing a handle, and pressing a few buttons? This isn't difficult. If they don't get a job, what will they do? Will they go to their home, and scratch on the door because they can't turn the knob? They don't even need a gun! And $9 is a LOT for that! Starting THIS year, the highest minimum wage will be, so far, $8.55(in oregon) That is NOT to be confused with the $7.25(in minnesota). Oh well, the US standard minimum wage is $7.25.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        YEAH, but for $9, you expect someone to know what AKA or "Also Known As" means! You expect them to know what a gun looks like. How about swabing a handle, and pressing a few buttons? This isn't difficult. If they don't get a job, what will they do? Will they go to their home, and scratch on the door because they can't turn the knob? They don't even need a gun! And $9 is a LOT for that! Starting THIS year, the highest minimum wage will be, so far, $8.55(in oregon) That is NOT to be confused with the $7.25(in minnesota). Oh well, the US standard minimum wage is $7.25.

        Steve
        Dang, they let explosive underwear onboard, but confiscate my fingernail file and hairspray...then call a female guard to totally frisk me from head to toe, take off my shoes, empty all contents of my purse, and go over them with an infra red wand.

        Can someone please tell them that Terra isn't short for terrorist? Sheesh!

        What awesome intelligence we have!:rolleyes:

        Terra the lil terrorist
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Dang, they let explosive underwear onboard, but confiscate my fingernail file and hairspray...then call a female guard to totally frisk me from head to toe, take off my shoes, empty all contents of my purse, and go over them with an infra red wand.

          Can someone please tell them that Terra isn't short for terrorist? Sheesh!

          What awesome intelligence we have!:rolleyes:

          Terra the lil terrorist
          Well, I don't know why you quoted my message, I was AGREEING with you here. HEY, I could make a weapon that is AT LEAST as good as your file, from what I take on board. I DON'T like the idea of pressurized hairspray though. and we SHOULD have some tests to check some of the items. Did you hear about the airport that was shut down by the honey!?!?!? Nothing will be 100%, but today's searches are just plain SILLY!

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Well, I don't know why you quoted my message, I was AGREEING with you here. HEY, I could make a weapon that is AT LEAST as good as your file, from what I take on board. I DON'T like the idea of pressurized hairspray though. and we SHOULD have some tests to check some of the items. Did you hear about the airport that was shut down by the honey!?!?!? Nothing will be 100%, but today's searches are just plain SILLY!

            Steve
            I quoted your post to let others know I was agreeing with you 100% and adding my example of stupidity of he airport security!

            By the way, I'll also add you must be a genious to create a weapon from my hairspray and finger nail file! :p Me? I haven't a clue...:confused:

            Funny thing is, I could do more damage with my stilettos, and they told me to put those back on!

            OMGosh, tell me about the honey!

            MissTerraK
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              I quoted your post to let others know I was agreeing with you 100% and adding my example of stupidity of he airport security!

              By the way, I'll also add you must be a genious to create a weapon from my hairspray and finger nail file! :p Me? I haven't a clue...:confused:

              Funny thing is, I could do more damage with my stilettos, and they told me to put those back on!

              OMGosh, tell me about the honey!

              MissTerraK
              NO, I said I could CREATE a weapon that was AT LEAST AS BAD as your file. I HATE aerosol hairspray, and it COULD be flamable, etc...

              As for the honey, WHAT? You don't believe me?

              http://avherald.com/h?article=425572d0&opt=0

              Here's another source:

              Honey bottles close down Bakersfield airport - 1/05/10 - Los Angeles-Southern California-LA Breaking News, Weather, Traffic, Sports - abc7.com

              Meadows Field Airport security officials at Bakersfield,CA (USA) shut down the airport, when first analysis identified a substance looking like honey stored in five glasses within a passenger's checked luggage as TNT and TATP, both explosives. Incoming flights were diverted to Los Angeles, while hazmat experts from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office were called in and identified the substance five hours later as what it is: five glasses of honey.
              Well, I guess this is SOMEWHAT reasonable as they may not have wanted to taste it, and it supposedly tested as explosive(by necessity the explosive residue test only tests for certain chemicals, and a gardner COULD use them). Still, it is, at least, funny, and shows how some react. At least they supposedly swabbed it.

              Steve
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                NO, I said I could CREATE a weapon that was AT LEAST AS BAD as your file. I HATE aerosol hairspray, and it COULD be flamable, etc...

                As for the honey, WHAT? You don't believe me?

                News: Honey, close Bakersfield Airport on Jan 5th 2010!

                Here's another source:

                Honey bottles close down Bakersfield airport - 1/05/10 - Los Angeles-Southern California-LA Breaking News, Weather, Traffic, Sports - abc7.com



                Well, I guess this is SOMEWHAT reasonable as they may not have wanted to taste it, and it supposedly tested as explosive(by necessity the explosive residue test only tests for certain chemicals, and a gardner COULD use them). Still, it is, at least, funny, and shows how some react. At least they supposedly swabbed it.

                Steve
                My hair spray is pump, and I did believe you regarding the honey, I just hadn't heard of it.

                Thanks by the way for the links, it just proves your point to the nth degree!

                Perhaps they thought I had a flammable liquid in my bottle of hair spray:confused:

                Sorry you're not a genious, was looking forward to reading your posts!:p

                MissTerraK
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Sorry you're not a genious, was looking forward to reading your posts!:p

                  MissTerraK
                  I misspoke, I meant at least as GOOD! What did I say about not writing posts?

                  Steve
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    What did I say about not writing posts?
                    Steve
                    Nothing "Honey",

                    I said you must be a genius if you could make a weapon from my two items, then you said only a weapon "like my fingernail file".

                    Which implied you were not a genius and I was disappointed because I wanted to read all of the posts written by a genius so I could learn even more!...Whew!

                    Are you now reinstating your genius status? Boy, you sure do know how to make a head spin though!:p

                    MissTerraK
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        YEAH, but for $9, you expect someone to know what AKA or "Also Known As" means! You expect them to know what a gun looks like. How about swabing a handle, and pressing a few buttons? This isn't difficult. If they don't get a job, what will they do? Will they go to their home, and scratch on the door because they can't turn the knob? They don't even need a gun! And $9 is a LOT for that! Starting THIS year, the highest minimum wage will be, so far, $8.55(in oregon) That is NOT to be confused with the $7.25(in minnesota). Oh well, the US standard minimum wage is $7.25.

        Steve
        but thats the prolem. we're entrusting the security of the country to people who work for minimum wage. I've worked minimum wage jobs befoer. My dedication was subpar to say the least. I doubt thats changed much with the minimum wage crowd.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          but thats the prolem. we're entrusting the security of the country to people who work for minimum wage. I've worked minimum wage jobs befoer. My dedication was subpar to say the least. I doubt thats changed much with the minimum wage crowd.
          Guess what! Some get paid BILLIONS and do sub par work. Those statements don't cut it any more!
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Guess what! Some get paid BILLIONS and do sub par work. Those statements don't cut it any more!
            No the statements that dont cut it anymore are 'here guard our country for what we pay mcdonalds workers'.

            If you want quality, you pay for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Will they go to their home, and scratch on the door because they can't turn the knob?
        Lol. I think that might be the first time I ever laughed at something you wrote, Steve. A good omen for 2010, I hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, don't get me started on mcdonalds! Still, you are talking about the carrot, and I DID mention a stick TOO! We can't just pay them $100K/year and expect quality, it JUST WON'T HAPPEN! They would probably pay the money to terrorists, and make things WORSE!

    Thomas,

    Glad you enjoyed it! Too bad I didn't understate the truth very much. 8-(

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    not 100k a year, but at minimum wage you're getting a highschool education. This job requires you to be on your feet all day, talking to pissed off travelers, and when it comes right down to it, they are looking for people who have explosives or who woke up that morning with the intent of doing harm to americans.

    Would you be putting out your best effort for a low paying high danger job? I wouldnt.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      not 100k a year, but at minimum wage you're getting a highschool education. This job requires you to be on your feet all day, talking to pissed off travelers, and when it comes right down to it, they are looking for people who have explosives or who woke up that morning with the intent of doing harm to americans.

      Would you be putting out your best effort for a low paying high danger job? I wouldnt.
      So you think they need a degree in physics? WOW, WHO KNEW!

      HEY, they don't talk to "pissed off travelers NOW!"! Besides, remember? I said it was practically illegal!?(You start yelling, etc... you are LOOKING for trouble. If you make any threats(Even a veiled one), you could be locked up. You don't even MENTION words like Bomb, hijack, terrorist, etc...) The ONLY thing people could complain about is the wait at the security area, and how their bags are handled. I am talking about making that MORE reasonable. MOST complaints at the airport really DON'T have to do with the security area. I want to KEEP it that way, but have them do what they are SUPPOSED TO!

      HEY, HERE'S a thought! It REDUCES wait time, REDUCES complaints, REDUCES waste, HELPS the environment, REDUCES theft, REDUCES noise, etc... and it is RIDICULOUSLY SIMPLE!!!!!!!! And it could MAKE money from DAY ONE! Want to hear it?

      Put a little sign in FRONT of the entrance telling what you can/should do, and offer two bags. One for liquids, and one for pocket items. HECK, you can even have a vending machine and charge maybe 0.50 for it!

      As for risking ones lives, I travel with lancets! MINE are sterile, UNUSED, and SEALED. I could see others NOT being so careful. That is a nice way to catch a disease. Even WITHOUT terrorists, they were in danger.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        but have them do what they are SUPPOSED TO!



        Steve
        And the point im making is at 9.00 an hour or less, you aren't going to get the caliber of person that gives a rat's ass what they are supposed to do, or how fast you get through check in or if you make your plane. You also will have someone that probably isnt all that sharp and as you pointed out has the power to have you slapped in jail or atleast enjoying a cavity search if the mood strikes them.

        If you want better performance it will require better pay.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          If you want better performance it will require better pay.
          Maybe if they start acting more like highschool graduates, and not 8yos...!
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      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      not 100k a year, but at minimum wage you're getting a highschool education. This job requires you to be on your feet all day, talking to pissed off travelers, and when it comes right down to it, they are looking for people who have explosives or who woke up that morning with the intent of doing harm to americans.

      Would you be putting out your best effort for a low paying high danger job? I wouldnt.
      I know of at least five branches of military personnell who would beg to differ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        I know of at least five branches of military personnell who would beg to differ...
        And i know atleast 5 branches of the military that also provide food, clothing, housing, education, outstanding insurance for you AND your family AND provide you with weapons and ammunition when you're checking people's crotches for bombs.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          And i know atleast 5 branches of the military that also provide food, clothing, housing, education, outstanding insurance for you AND your family AND provide you with weapons and ammunition when you're checking people's crotches for bombs.
          Weapons and ammo don't protect against bombs! Come to think of it, insurance doesn't EITHER!
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Weapons and ammo don't protect against bombs! Come to think of it, insurance doesn't EITHER!
            neither does an ugly uniform and a check that wont pay your bills. i'll take my chances with the weapons and ammo.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm a smoker so when I was at one airport that had absolutely NO facilities for smokers, I had to go outside. They refused to keep bags for you - I would have had to do a whole tour of the airport just to find a locker, PAY to store the bag for 20 minutes, etc - one huge hassle. So it went outside with me. I went twice during my layover. The second time I came back in I could have carried any damned thing I wanted with me, they barely even took a look.

    It seems to me that the more they let you in and out the better your chances to sneak something in -- but oh hell, don't give the smokers a smoking area or room like the other airports - let people go outside and come back in several times - it's so much safer.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'm a smoker so when I was at one airport that had absolutely NO facilities for smokers, I had to go outside. They refused to keep bags for you - I would have had to do a whole tour of the airport just to find a locker, PAY to store the bag for 20 minutes, etc - one huge hassle. So it went outside with me. I went twice during my layover. The second time I came back in I could have carried any damned thing I wanted with me, they barely even took a look.

      It seems to me that the more they let you in and out the better your chances to sneak something in -- but oh hell, don't give the smokers a smoking area or room like the other airports - let people go outside and come back in several times - it's so much safer.
      I don't believe they are even supposed to let you even have lockers now. That is a SECURITY RISK! That is TANTAMOUNT to, scratch that, that IS an "unattended bag"!!!!!!!! That is one of the FEW rules they have that should ALWAYS have been there. I DO think they should realize that people NEED to watch bags, so they need special holders for food, and lower skirts on bathroom stalls, which should be larger.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'm a smoker so when I was at one airport that had absolutely NO facilities for smokers, I had to go outside. They refused to keep bags for you - I would have had to do a whole tour of the airport just to find a locker, PAY to store the bag for 20 minutes, etc - one huge hassle. So it went outside with me. I went twice during my layover. The second time I came back in I could have carried any damned thing I wanted with me, they barely even took a look.

      It seems to me that the more they let you in and out the better your chances to sneak something in -- but oh hell, don't give the smokers a smoking area or room like the other airports - let people go outside and come back in several times - it's so much safer.
      I routinely fly between Chicago and Virginia, and sometimes I have layovers in Cincinatti.

      I'm a smoker to-so I know how you feel.

      Anyways, I thought you might think this was *awesome*

      Where to smoke at U.S. airports - USATODAY.com


      I was complaining about needing a smoke last time I took a trip back down south, and someone overheard me and said "Well go to the smoking lounge"

      made my day. :p


      Anyways-Back on topic

      Micheal makes a good point about security; but did you know the folks flying the planes (the pilots!) make so little money they routinely work second jobs and have to get food stamps?

      they do it because they love to fly, and the airlines play on that.

      Anyways, the only solution I can see is for the DHS to take a little chunk of the billions we given them in tax dollars these last few years and use it to pay a certain percentage of these security workers wages.

      That wont happen of course-it makes to much damned sense. DHS isnt about making us safer, its about making us feel safer.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

        ...
        Micheal makes a good point about security; but did you know the folks flying the planes (the pilots!) make so little money they routinely work second jobs and have to get food stamps?

        they do it because they love to fly, and the airlines play on that.

        Anyways, the only solution I can see is for the DHS to take a little chunk of the billions we given them in tax dollars these last few years and use it to pay a certain percentage of these security workers wages.

        That wont happen of course-it makes to much damned sense. DHS isnt about making us safer, its about making us feel safer.
        Well, SOME places are moving AWAY from smoking lounges. Fort Wayne USED to have one and NOW, they got rid of it. Ironically, I think that is partially because of 9/11. They HAD a restaurant in the public area, and 9/11 meant they had to have a sterile area one, so the smokers lounge was done away with.

        BARS, and some restaurants in SOME large airports allow smoking but most other places just don't allow it. I'm HAPPY abaout THAT! OH WELL, back on topic...

        Pilots of LARGE planes sometimes make a LOT. I heard of some on some superjumbo international flights making about $250,000USD! The SMALLER plane pilots, like CRJs supposedly can make in the $20K range. Others are somewhere between. AGAIN, the 9/11 thing had a hand in that. It helped to stunt the airline industry, and all but kill it, and companies moved to smaller aircraft and fewer flights. A SUPERJUMBO could EASILY gross over $500,000 per flight. Some small CRJs aren't likely to make even $12,000. Allowing for flight times and turn around times, that means that the SUPERJUMBO EASILY makes over four times as much a day, and there are fewer per market so capacity is better used, and there is the economy of scale. AND, in the prices noted above, realize the superjumbo is more likely to make more, and those values DON'T count costs.

        Maybe if the unions didn't eat up so much income, and force money to go to STUPID places, the airlines could maybe shave off a little income, and distribute it in a fairer way. The international pilots DO have a long, boring, and limiting job, but do they really NEED $250K+? And the way they hold people up because of FLIGHT attendants, etc... It is LUDICROUS! So the airlines are hit on ALL sides. The current sweetspot for domestic travel is probably about $400, so THAT doesn't have much room. So they pretty much have to make it with what they have. And more and more people talk about DRIVING all or part of the way. If parking weren't so high, I would drive half way(One less ticket to pay a pilot!). If I were much closer, I would drive ALL the way(less for TWO pilots!). HEY, I did it on a trip to chicago. I drove the whole way every week or so. And chicago is REALLY bad because there are LOTS of delays. And did you know that FLIGHT ATTENDANTS can make like $20K? To put this in perspective, the highest minimum wage planned in any state in the US, with NO benefits or vacation, is about $17,784.

        Here is what one site says:

        Flight Attendant income varies from airline to airline. The pay ranges from about $13.00-$40.00 per flight hour or more. Most airlines have in place a monthly guarantee which ranges between 65-80 flight hours. The Flight Attendant is paid the guarantee whether he/she actually works those hours or not. Most new hire flight attendants will earn between $16,000-23,000 and may eventually earn up to $75,000 per year. Actual pay per hour is dependent upon years of service and any special qualifications the Flight Attendant may have on board the aircraft. Flight Attendants also receive a special per diem for each hour spent away from home. This per diem is in place to cover meals and other expenses. With each year of service comes an increase in salary.
        Do you think THAT is fair?

        As for paying the TSA workers more, I don't think they currently deserve any more. They are so careless, cause so many problems, and don't seem to really help. I think MOST realize the DHS and TSA are just jokes. I certainly don't feel safer. Luckily, I haven't flown a jumbo for a while, and only ONE market on my trip is currently a reasonable target, but I don't think the terrorists are smart enough to figure that out!

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Profit-Smart -- When I flew home to Michigan the Airport in SLC had a room for smokers - and while the room itself was a bit smokier than I even like to sit in as a smoker, there was some form of air barrier and none of the smoke escaped the room into the hallway.

    When I went home I had a 5 hour lay over in St. Paul and was expected to go outside and it happened to be cold out there. I very blatantly told them they could shove the possiblity of ever seeing me in their self righteous little dungeon again. IF they think they are going to take my money while acting holier than thou about my smoking habit, they don't need my money. Period. When I am paying those kinds of prices for service, I expect to be accommodated and really don't give one rats ass WHO doesn't approve of smoking. If you want to start talking price reductions for smokers that they refuse to accommodate, then maybe I'll think twice. Fat is more dangerous to your health, and so are fake sugars than cigarettes ever hoped to be but I don't see anyone refusing service to fat people, refusing to sell fattening foods or refusing to serve products with aspartame in them. This whole situation is just self righteous crap when they are able to give areas to smokers that will not allow smoke to interfere with those who do not wish to smell or breath it. The next time someone tells me airplane, they're just out of freaking luck. It's cheaper and much more comfortable to drive it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Profit-Smart -- When I flew home to Michigan the Airport in SLC had a room for smokers - and while the room itself was a bit smokier than I even like to sit in as a smoker, there was some form of air barrier and none of the smoke escaped the room into the hallway.

      When I went home I had a 5 hour lay over in St. Paul and was expected to go outside and it happened to be cold out there. I very blatantly told them they could shove the possiblity of ever seeing me in their self righteous little dungeon again. IF they think they are going to take my money while acting holier than thou about my smoking habit, they don't need my money. Period. When I am paying those kinds of prices for service, I expect to be accommodated and really don't give one rats ass WHO doesn't approve of smoking. If you want to start talking price reductions for smokers that they refuse to accommodate, then maybe I'll think twice. Fat is more dangerous to your health, and so are fake sugars than cigarettes ever hoped to be but I don't see anyone refusing service to fat people, refusing to sell fattening foods or refusing to serve products with aspartame in them. This whole situation is just self righteous crap when they are able to give areas to smokers that will not allow smoke to interfere with those who do not wish to smell or breath it. The next time someone tells me airplane, they're just out of freaking luck. It's cheaper and much more comfortable to drive it.

      Honestly HeySal, it wouldnt be exceptionally expensive to stick a smoking lounge in any airport. It's just what you say; self righteous attitudes.

      Take a room that needs renovation, or just stick four walls around an empty space-Cut a hole to the roof, and stick a vent in it.

      The funny thing is they took them down-the large majority of all airports used to have smoking lounges; so I doubt were going to see them building new ones any time soon.

      Im with you on the driving bit. Its 11 hours from here to Virginia, but I was barely able to tolerate the airlines before-With the new rules in place (and the horror storys I keep reading about them) There isnt a chance in hell I'd take a plane.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

        Honestly HeySal, it wouldnt be exceptionally expensive to stick a smoking lounge in any airport. It's just what you say; self righteous attitudes.

        Take a room that needs renovation, or just stick four walls around an empty space-Cut a hole to the roof, and stick a vent in it.

        The funny thing is they took them down-the large majority of all airports used to have smoking lounges; so I doubt were going to see them building new ones any time soon.

        Im with you on the driving bit. Its 11 hours from here to Virginia, but I was barely able to tolerate the airlines before-With the new rules in place (and the horror storys I keep reading about them) There isnt a chance in hell I'd take a plane.
        Those "smoking rooms" are disappearing because some nitwit non-smoker imagined they could smell the smoke from 500 away and complained...
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Those "smoking rooms" are disappearing because some nitwit non-smoker imagined they could smell the smoke from 500 away and complained...
          You mean that the smokers just go to the lounge NON smokers, become smokers, smoke, die, and and get BURRIED there!?!?!?

          WHERE DO THEY GET THE SPACE!?!?!?

          Don't tell me that the smokers don't come out of an environment where there is smoke and the smoke doesn't invade every CREVICE of their being(clothing, skin, LUNGS). NOT only would you be saying something illogical, stupid, and just plain WRONG, you would be defeating your very case. After all, if smoke gets NO PLACE, WHY are you so concerned about smoking?

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Profit-Smart -- When I flew home to Michigan the Airport in SLC had a room for smokers - and while the room itself was a bit smokier than I even like to sit in as a smoker, there was some form of air barrier and none of the smoke escaped the room into the hallway.

      When I went home I had a 5 hour lay over in St. Paul and was expected to go outside and it happened to be cold out there. I very blatantly told them they could shove the possiblity of ever seeing me in their self righteous little dungeon again. IF they think they are going to take my money while acting holier than thou about my smoking habit, they don't need my money. Period. When I am paying those kinds of prices for service, I expect to be accommodated and really don't give one rats ass WHO doesn't approve of smoking. If you want to start talking price reductions for smokers that they refuse to accommodate, then maybe I'll think twice. Fat is more dangerous to your health, and so are fake sugars than cigarettes ever hoped to be but I don't see anyone refusing service to fat people, refusing to sell fattening foods or refusing to serve products with aspartame in them. This whole situation is just self righteous crap when they are able to give areas to smokers that will not allow smoke to interfere with those who do not wish to smell or breath it. The next time someone tells me airplane, they're just out of freaking luck. It's cheaper and much more comfortable to drive it.

      You Go Girlfriend!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I very blatantly told them they could shove the possiblity of ever seeing me in their self righteous little dungeon again. IF they think they are going to take my money while acting holier than thou about my smoking habit, they don't need my money. Period. When I am paying those kinds of prices for service, I expect to be accommodated and really don't give one rats ass WHO doesn't approve of smoking
        Who were you telling - a minimum wage worker??? "Service" and airlines don't seem to be connected words these days.

        Maybe it's not "holier than thou" - maybe the space was needed for something else or job cuts made it a good excuse to eliminate an area that needed more cleaning hours than other areas. Many businesses have used the tight economy to cut back or eliminate "services" they didn't like providing in the first place.

        Steve -

        I think what happens is "reactionary protection". I remember as a kid thinking it was stupid to put a stoplight at a dangerous intersection only AFTER someone was killed there - but it still happens that way.

        What is funny about the recent incident is the big push for full body scans. The dude hid the explosive exactly where the supplied "shield" would have been on a body scanner. How would that help or protect anyone?

        There is nothing that will protect anyone 100% from something bad happening. But at least we should require some level of common sense which is not what we've seen recently.

        A trained dog checking passengers would find more than all the screening equipment - so why isn't that done?

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


          Steve -

          I think what happens is "reactionary protection". I remember as a kid thinking it was stupid to put a stoplight at a dangerous intersection only AFTER someone was killed there - but it still happens that way.

          What is funny about the recent incident is the big push for full body scans. The dude hid the explosive exactly where the supplied "shield" would have been on a body scanner. How would that help or protect anyone?

          There is nothing that will protect anyone 100% from something bad happening. But at least we should require some level of common sense which is not what we've seen recently.

          A trained dog checking passengers would find more than all the screening equipment - so why isn't that done?

          kay
          As for the holier than thou stuff, that heysal said, cigarette smoke is cigarette smoke. I don't care if anyone smokes, but I can NOT tolerate smoke or its residue, PERIOD! I'm HAPPY when people are forbidden from polluting the environment with it. That holier than thou bit is like the episode of "my name is earl" that was on today. Joy's mother kept saying "DON'T YOU JUDGE ME" to earl. OH, so he shouldn't judge for the lie about being an invalid, the lie to steal money from the government, the theft of his car(that his brother struggled all day to win for her daughter and his ex wife), the selling of his car, the theft of his wifes inheritance, the use of his sons bike(that he bought his son). OK, then WHAT should we judge ANYONE for!?!?!?

          The only "shield" I heard of, on that machine,was the bluring of the face, etc... That ITSELF can cause a problem though. Yeah, I think I mentioned about dogs. A dog can do better than those bomb residue machines, and they can check several people and their belongings 100% at once. The residue machines only test the area that has been swabbed.

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    smokers are a dying breed (literally). its only a matter of time before smoking is outlawed and honestly I dont think it can come quick enough.
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