Do you think killing people is wrong?

[KristiDaniels]

I see these posts on WF all the time and they really crack me up.

Is stealing wrong?

Is it wrong to buy a product to review it and just get a refund when you are done with it?

Is it wrong to steal someone's copywritten work by translating it to another language?

I'll give you a little clue that might save you a little time posting stupid questions about ethics and morality on a forum...

IF YOU HAVE TO ASK IF SOMETHING IS WRONG.... THEN IT IS!!!

Otherwise you wouldn't have that little voice in your head making you want to ask if it is wrong or not.

[ArticlePrince]

So killing people is wrong...but what if you give them a refund?

[Shottster]

Well suppose that a person was trying to kill you with a knife...and you end up stabbing him and he dies...was that wrong?

[KristiDaniels]

If you have to ask if something is wrong... then it is.

Were you planning to stab someone who is trying to kill you at some time in the near future?

[pavionjsl]

This angry thing is not why we come here. Yes we all knows this all goes on.........whats the point?

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

If you have to ask if something is wrong... then it is.

Were you planning to stab someone who is trying to kill you at some time in the near future?

I would imagine it would depend if you get caught doing it. Isn't that the same as the bear in the woods analogy. If you don't get caught than did you really kill someone?

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by pavionjsl

This angry thing is not why we come here. Yes we all knows this all goes on.........whats the point?

I think Kristi got angry because of this thread -- and hella justified in my opinion:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...st-refund.html

Hell yes I'd be angry if someone did that with my product -- wouldn't YOU?

[Dennis Gaskill]

Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

IF YOU HAVE TO ASK IF SOMETHING IS WRONG.... THEN IT IS!!!

Otherwise you wouldn't have that little voice in your head making you want to ask if it is wrong or not.

That was my closing point in the thread Joe118 just linked to. If people would just stop looking for someone else to give them permission to lie, cheat, and steal, and started following their own conscience, we ALL be better off.

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by Shottster

Well suppose that a person was trying to kill you with a knife...and you end up stabbing him and he dies...was that wrong?

If anyone ever stabbed me and I ever found out about it...I'd sick Dexter on them

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

If anyone ever stabbed me and I ever dound out about it...I'd sick Dexter on them

You would never know if someone stabbed you because of the enormous amount of alcohol in your blood. hehe

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

You would never know if someone stabbed you because of the enormous amount of alcohol in your blood. hehe

That's why he said ***IF*** he found out! 8-)

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

That was my closing point in the thread Joe118 just linked to. If people would just stop looking for someone else to give them permission to lie, cheat, and steal, and started following their own conscience, we ALL be better off.

I totally agree. Quite frankly, I say that's one of the biggest mistakes
newcomers make... they don't 'just do it', they ask for
permission on forums first...

[Kay King]

But - really - that's not how it works sometimes.

Clueless: "Is it wrong to do this?"

15 people post to say "yes, that's wrong"

1 person posts "I don't see why there would be anything wrong with that"

Clueless: gives a thanks to the 1 person and posts "that's what I thought"
and ignores the others

A case of tell me what I want to hear and I'll agree with you.

[Shane Dolby]

Is it wrong to keep posting these type of threads several times?

[HeySal]

Does this mean I have to give back the Chevy? Crap.

[Floyd Fisher]

There are no stupid questions....only people too stupid to ask.

Seriously, if a question gets you so upset you can't think straight, then the problem is with you (believe me, I've been there).

May I suggest turning off your computer, and taking a break for awhile until you calm down?

It's better that people ask the stupid questions, than not to ask and make even dumber mistakes.

Lots of IM'ers didin't ask stupid questions, and proceeded to get whacked by the law (Frank Kern comes to mind....how dumb is to to unknowingly launch a ponzi scheme). And all because they didn't ask the stupid question.

Go ahead, and ask away. A lot better than getting your question answered by a jury of your peers IMHO.

[Rezbi]

Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

Is it wrong to steal someone's copywritten work by translating it to another language?

I'm glad you mentioned this one as I've wanted to bring this up somewhere for quite some time.

Do you remember that movie, "Leaving Las Vega", with Nicholas Cage?

Well, that was a rip-off of a very old Indian novel (which was also made into an Indian Bollywood movies), but nowhere in the credits does it mention who the original author was.

I mean, this is a big Hollywood production, yet they give no credit to the origins of the story.

What would you call that?

Is it okay for Hollywood to do it?

What do you guys think?

[Kay King]

Well suppose that a person was trying to kill you with a knife...and you end up stabbing him and he dies...was that wrong?

Not as long as you remember to put the knife back in his hand. Geez, stuff happens. Don't pick the nits.

Is it wrong to keep posting these type of threads several times?

No - sometimes it's just fun....again.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Shane Dolby

Is it wrong to keep posting these type of threads several times?

GOOD QUESTION! AND ironic!

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Rezbi

I'm glad you mentioned this one as I've wanted to bring this up somewhere for quite some time.

Do you remember that movie, "Leaving Las Vega", with Nicholas Cage?

Well, that was a rip-off of a very old Indian novel (which was also made into an Indian Bollywood movies), but nowhere in the credits does it mention who the original author was.

I mean, this is a big Hollywood production, yet they give no credit to the origins of the story.

What would you call that?

Is it okay for Hollywood to do it?

What do you guys think?

HOW do you know that? I mean the idea of a person becoming drunk, going to las vegas, being suicidal, and meeting a hooker is FAR from unique! AND HOW old is this "very old indian novel"? I could MAYBE find an OLDER version of an AMERICAN one. Should we say you ripped hollywood off? Admittedly, I haven't seen either, but the language is different, and the setting, culture, and names are ALIEN to indians, so WHAT could be the same? Alcohol? Cuting off ties? Moving? Gambling? A prostitute? Sorry, NOT ENOUGH!

Steve

[Emmanuel Inyang]

As long as the term "Newbie" exists these questions are gonna keep coming and coming.

BTW, Do you think it is wrong to Post Here?

[GT]

Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

IF YOU HAVE TO ASK IF SOMETHING IS WRONG.... THEN IT IS!!!

Otherwise you wouldn't have that little voice in your head making you want to ask if it is wrong or not.

lol ... This thread is killing me!

Oh. Wait. Is that wrong?

GT

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Inyang

As long as the term "Newbie" exists these questions are gonna keep coming and coming.

A rose by any other name...

[GT]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Does this mean I have to give back the Chevy? Crap.

Not if you translate it to a different language ... and remove the stabbed person from the trunk...

GT

[Rezbi]

Originally Posted by seasoned

HOW do you know that? I mean the idea of a person becoming drunk, going to las vegas, being suicidal, and meeting a hooker is FAR from unique! AND HOW old is this "very old indian novel"? I could MAYBE find an OLDER version of an AMERICAN one. Should we say you ripped hollywood off? Admittedly, I haven't seen either, but the language is different, and the setting, culture, and names are ALIEN to indians, so WHAT could be the same? Alcohol? Cuting off ties? Moving? Gambling? A prostitute? Sorry, NOT ENOUGH!

Steve

I do know, that's why I brought up the subject.

Your argument could be attributed to anything, in which case the subject of plagiarism is a moot point.

By your argument, no one has the right to accuse anyone of copying anything, ever.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Rezbi

I do know, that's why I brought up the subject.

Your argument could be attributed to anything, in which case the subject of plagiarism is a moot point.

By your argument, no one has the right to accuse anyone of copying anything, ever.

WRONG! A remarkable similarity of circumstance, names, peculiarities of people, patterns, title, etc... will make it clear that things are copied. Frankly, you aren't helping your case.

Heck, look at the new battlestar galactica. It is obviously a crude attempt to copy the old one by people that never really watched it. SURE the complicity of baltar, origin/attitude/goal of the cylons, the sex of starbuck, the way the games were played, and even the existence of earth were wrong, but it was clearly a copy even if you took like any two similarities and excluded them.

On heaven can wait, I was up late one night, noticed that the general pattern of the angel, vehicle for discovery, and even some names in another movie were the same. It predated heaven can wait by several decades. And YEP, it was the basis for heaven can wait. Never mind that the title was different, some characters were different, method of death was different, the type of person taken over was different, and the ending was quite different. In fact, I think the protagonist was allowed to remember in heaven can wait.

SUPPOSE that the idea of perfection in some endeavor being spoiled, selection of the new body, and names were different, could you then CLAIM that it was based on any of those movies? Doubtful.

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that an old INDIAN movie could be SO similar to a movie like "leaving las Vegas" sounds like.

Steve

[Bill Farnham]

I don't think people should even be allowed to USE the words killing, killed, kill, much less actually put the words to use.

Killer, on the other hand...

KJ

[KaptainMoney.com]

killing people is........."right"

[Radix]

"everything you do is wrong"

[Karen Blundell]

you know something, I'm with Floyd. I would rather someone ask questions, no matter how dumb they may seem, or how many times they are repeated.

I think people get their knickers in a knot for no reason. If there's a post that you don't like or a question in a thread you don't like, no one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it.

We were all new at something at some point in our lives. Treat people the way that you would want to be treated.

Now if you see deliberate spam, theft, or other bad behaviour, then that's different. But we really should try to be a little more patient with each other, don't you think? I mean if you needed help with something, wouldn't you want the person who's helping you to be patient with you?

Be kind to people because there really are a lot more good people than bad.

Just my $.02...

peace...

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by seasoned

WRONG! A remarkable similarity of circumstance, names, peculiarities of people, patterns, title, etc... will make it clear that things are copied. Frankly, you aren't helping your case.

Heck, look at the new battlestar galactica. It is obviously a crude attempt to copy the old one by people that never really watched it. SURE the complicity of baltar, origin/attitude/goal of the cylons, the sex of starbuck, the way the games were played, and even the existence of earth were wrong, but it was clearly a copy even if you took like any two similarities and excluded them.

On heaven can wait, I was up late one night, noticed that the general pattern of the angel, vehicle for discovery, and even some names in another movie were the same. It predated heaven can wait by several decades. And YEP, it was the basis for heaven can wait. Never mind that the title was different, some characters were different, method of death was different, the type of person taken over was different, and the ending was quite different. In fact, I think the protagonist was allowed to remember in heaven can wait.

SUPPOSE that the idea of perfection in some endeavor being spoiled, selection of the new body, and names were different, could you then CLAIM that it was based on any of those movies? Doubtful.

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that an old INDIAN movie could be SO similar to a movie like "leaving las Vegas" sounds like.

Steve

WRONG!!! Warren Beatty's character in Heaven Can Wait did ***NOT*** retain his memory at the end, although he did feel like he had met his girl friend before.

Heavan Can Wait was a remake of the movie Here Comes Mr. Jordan. Of course, Beatty played a QB and the original was about a boxer...However, none of these facts has anything to do logically if Leaving Las Vegas was "borrowed" from an Indian film.

[GT]

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

you know something, I'm with Floyd. I would rather someone ask questions, no matter how dumb they may seem, or how many times they are repeated.

Right on, Karen! All we do when we make fun of a person or attempt to belittle them for asking a question is stifle communication that has the potential to be beneficial to somebody.

Maybe we know it all, but not everybody is that fortunate. We need to show patience, understanding and yes, a little respect and charity sometimes.

GT

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Kurt

WRONG!!! Warren Beatty's character in Heaven Can Wait did ***NOT*** retain his memory at the end, although he did feel like he had met his girl friend before.

Heavan Can Wait was a remake of the movie Here Comes Mr. Jordan. Of course, Beatty played a QB and the original was about a boxer...However, none of these facts has anything to do logically if Leaving Las Vegas was "borrowed" from an Indian film.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot that the last scene I was thinking about was from yet ANOTHER remake. I have seen at least 3. ALL were a little different. In the last one, the profession was as a COMIC! 8-) Still, I would be interested to hear about the indian movie, and what makes one believe it is so much like "leaving las vegas".

Steve

[Michael Motley]

The new battlestar galactica is far superior to the original in every way.

[Steven Wagenheim]

According to the law, there is such as thing as justifiable homicide. I won't
go into all the details here. You can look it up in a law book if you like.

Point is, under certain conditions, according to law anyway, it is justifiably
okay to kill another person.

Personally, I hope to God that I am never in a situation where I have to make
that decision because I can never picture myself taking another life. But I'll
be damned if I'm just going to let somebody else take mine.

[Trader54]

Just call it an abortion.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

The new battlestar galactica is far superior to the original in every way.

Says YOU. HECK, the very first sentence in the NEW BG is counter to the OLD show. In fact, on the marathon they had with the old show, the TURTH was given on the VERY first show!

And the first one covered things that haven't been covered AT ALL in the new one.

Though it may seem hokey by todays standards, I liked the first one a LOT better.

Steve

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by seasoned

Says YOU. HECK, the very first sentence in the NEW BG is counter to the OLD show. In fact, on the marathon they had with the old show, the TURTH was given on the VERY first show!

And the first one covered things that haven't been covered AT ALL in the new one.

Though it may seem hokey by todays standards, I liked the first one a LOT better.

Steve

Better graphics, better story, better actors. The original was good in its day, and i used to be an avid fan, but it can't even begin to compare with the latest version.

Caprica is starting on the 25th, and its like the prequel to the bsg saga. I"ll probably check it out to see if its decent. But to me, the space battle scenes were what made the new bsg.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Better graphics, better story, better actors. The original was good in its day, and i used to be an avid fan, but it can't even begin to compare with the latest version.

Caprica is starting on the 25th, and its like the prequel to the bsg saga. I"ll probably check it out to see if its decent. But to me, the space battle scenes were what made the new bsg.

Caprica ALREADY started! IN FACT, the first cylon was ALREADY made! It was used in about half the show, and EVEN pretty much got the last scene. BTW it does have promise. You'll never guess how the first cylon gets its brain and abilities. I guess we ALL knew how it got everything else though. The usual way!

Steve

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by seasoned

Says YOU. HECK, the very first sentence in the NEW BG is counter to the OLD show. In fact, on the marathon they had with the old show, the TURTH was given on the VERY first show!

The turth? You can't handle the turth! /end of my Jack impression

[markshields]

Killing people is a big crime. We have God to punished people who do such thing. Getting the live of other it just like a devil inside you!

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Kurt

The turth? You can't handle the turth! /end of my Jack impression

OK, you got me. Sometimes some fingers get ahead of themselves. 8-(

[johnben1444]

I think there is a misunderstanding here, KristiDaniels isn't referring to killing(taking somes life). I think he is talking about killing somebody's business. Or am i wrong.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by seasoned

OK, you got me. Sometimes some fingers get ahead of themselves. 8-(

Just a funny typo, no big deal.

[Kay King]

Ok - Now Indy has made it one of life's great puzzles...good one.

killing somebody's business.

Do you see the word "business" in the title - nope.

I don't you should kill anyone unless they really deserve it


One of my favorite interviews was Steven King on some show or another where the sweeet interviewer asked him a question about how he could reconcile the wild imaginary violence he wrote about with raising four children. She mentioned his wife had said he was a patient father.

He said it was simple. When the kids misbehaved he dismembered them in his mind and it took the pressure off. The interviewer looked shocked and I was cracking up.

[bravo75]

I think any form of violence is fundamentally wrong. It will be our downfall

[MissTerraK]

Whatever happened to common courtesy? Morality? Conscience? Peacemakers? Do unto others as you would have them done onto to you?

I for one am not afraid to admit that I am technically challenged!

Do you think that I would even dare publically ask for advice on something technical in this forum? Heck no!

That's why building relationships, trust, and one good turn deserves another, and face the world with a smile and you find it smiles back, is an important key ingredient to success in IM.

If I asked a question that was complex to me, however mundane to someone who is awesome with technilogical stuff, I'd be shredded and thrown out to the dogs. I'm sorry to have to say that, but I do searches and read threads, and see people get trampled!

I'll stick to my personal friends and relationships forged, thanks!

But if I see someone asking a question and I can help, I'll do it in a heartbeat, whether I know them or not!

Wish more felt that way!

Just my opinion,

MissTerraK

[jacktackett]

Wow - that'd be one hell of a drive from India to Las Vegas......

Sorta makes you think of Apocalypse Now doesn't it?

Is it wrong to kill someone - depends on the circumstance - and how many witnesses. Lucky for me my baby brother is the head care taker at a grave yard .

smart ass rhetoric over for now....

--Jack

Smiley captioned for the humor impaired

hum - do I need to send a royalty to the guy/gal that invented the smiley?

Originally Posted by Rezbi

I'm glad you mentioned this one as I've wanted to bring this up somewhere for quite some time.

Do you remember that movie, "Leaving Las Vega", with Nicholas Cage?

Well, that was a rip-off of a very old Indian novel (which was also made into an Indian Bollywood movies), but nowhere in the credits does it mention who the original author was.

I mean, this is a big Hollywood production, yet they give no credit to the origins of the story.

What would you call that?

Is it okay for Hollywood to do it?

What do you guys think?

ps no - its not OK.

[jacktackett]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

The new battlestar galactica is far superior to the original in every way.

I was a big fan of the original BSG - but agree with Michael that the new one was superior and enjoyable to watch. Hope Caprica is the same though it will be different.

to keep to the OP intent and the India/Leaving Vegas - its interesting to note that George Lucas sued Glenn Larson over BSG as being a rip off of Star Wars.

From my limited understanding Glen Larson did not like the changes made in the remake even though he was given a producing role in the credits. He also holds the motion picture rights to BSG and is why the currrent producers have said a film version of the new series is highly unlikely.

Geesh - image someone standing up for his (misguided IMHO) beliefs. I can respect that even though I may not agree with them.

Now back to our regularly schedule reply to the OP - If someone was trying to harm my children or my wife - well, what would you do? legal or not?

I'm not going to cap someone for stealing my TV - I can go get another one - hurting my family - that's a completely different story.

'nuff said.

peace,
--Jack

[HeySal]

Wrong to kill is prima facae I think. Is it right to just step out and kill? No. Is it right to defend yourself and your property? By all means. My responsibility to society is to take care of myself - when it becomes safe for others to walk into my home and steal or attack me in any way, then we create a society of criminals in which no member is safe.
If someone tries to grab my purse and run, they need to hope their throat isn't in striking area - or their nose. If I kill them accidentally dropping them to protect what is mine, then I have done society a favor. I am not responsible for their lack of knowledge of right and wrong. In the same token - if asked for help and I can give it, it is my responsibility to give it - also a necessity for a society that functions. Be neither prey nor predator.