Football not Soccer

[ArticlesandContent]

British invented both the game and the word Football so why are we brits having to differentiate between our game and American Football - Please USA use your own terms and find another word for your game!

JohnT

[Kevin Birch]

Originally Posted by ArticlesandContent

British invented both the game and the word Football so why are we brits having to differentiate between our game and American Football - Please USA use your own terms and find another word for your game!

JohnT

The Warrior radar has detected incoming . . . please wear your flack jacket and tin hat while in this thread

[Kevin Birch]

Originally Posted by ArticlesandContent

British invented both the game and the word Football so why are we brits having to differentiate between our game and American Football - Please USA use your own terms and find another word for your game!

JohnT

Heck, I can also think of better ways to make friends with first posts

[Michael Motley]

Well we were going to use the name 'Ahellofalotbetterthanthatsissygamesoccer' but it just didnt roll off the tongue as easily as 'football'

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Well we were going to use the name 'Ahellofalotbetterthanthatsissygamesoccer' but it just didnt roll off the tongue as easily as 'football'

We have a name too. It's called Rugby, but without the
sissy shoulder pads and crash helmets, that some football
players have to wear.

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Kevin Birch

Heck, I can also think of better ways to make friends with first posts

Let's be fair.. BY hook or by crook, he
managed to get his SIG displayed.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

We have a name too. It's called Rugby, but without the
sissy shoulder pads and crash helmets, that some football
players have to wear.

Yeah, but here's the difference. When NFL players retire, they are usually substantially well off, most have a college degree...and most importantly due to the sissy shoulder pads and crash helmets, can still count past 10 without taking off their shoes and socks.

[butters]

Just to add more fun to it England invented baseball :P.

BTW this is how I see it, rugby requires skill and the NFL requires some, so the thrower and the catcher and thats about it. All the NFL people do is run into each other, in rugby you actually have to put in a decent tackle.

But in all honesty, some of the hits in the NFL look painful.

[Michael Motley]

the only thing rugby requires is a skull made of concrete

[tryinhere]

Australian Rules Football is for real men, we don't wear Sissy padding, and yes that other funny game is called soccer.

[Michael Motley]

I like aussie rules, its fun to watch

It still doesnt have the god-like status of football.


On a serious not though..for all you rugby/uk foottie fans, does the leagues you watch have like 'historic' films that they show? Anyone that has watched NFL for any length of time has seen the NFL historic films...big burly men playing in ridiculous snow/mud, the whole thing is in slow motion with really majestic music in the background..telling on the tales of NFL history.

does rugby and soccer have those kind of shows as well?

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

the only thing rugby requires is a skull made of concrete

Have you ever watched a real Rugby match?

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Have you ever watched a real Rugby match?

why waste my time with a game our middle school kids play at recess...when i can view the sport of gods.

how touch can it be, they play in shorts and knee socks.

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

why waste my time with a game our middle school kids play at recess...when i can view the sport of gods.

how touch can it be, they play in shorts and knee socks.

I rest my case. You're commenting on a skilled sport that
you have no idea about at all. Rugby is played by real men
as well as school boys, and there are a number of womens
teams too.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

We have a name too. It's called Rugby, but without the
sissy shoulder pads and crash helmets, that some football
players have to wear.

Hey Glenn,

Your argument is the same as figure skaters making fun of hockey players for wearing pads. Are you saying hockey players are also "sissys" because they wear pads and figure skaters are tough guys?

Plus, every American boy that plays sports has played tackle football without pads for recreation. The organized game with pads is much tougher.

As I've brought up before, rubgy doesn't even allow blocking (obstruction) which means everyone away from the ball does nothing. In footbally, there's collisions all over the field on every play.

Not to mention, rugby isn't the UKs's favorite sport, it's soccer, whereas football is the US's favorite. Soccer, a sport where you can't use your hands...That makes it the "river dancing" of sports.

Seriously, do some research into the concusions and brain damage our football players have before calling them sissys.

nfl concussions - Google Search

[Sheryl Polomka]

Originally Posted by tryinhere

Australian Rules Football is for real men, we don't wear Sissy padding, and yes that other funny game is called soccer.

Yep, Aussie Rules Football is the best

However, I can't favouritize as one of my sons is playing soccer for the second year this year and my other 2 sons are starting Aussie Rules Football this year. Give them a few years and I'm sure we'll have a few arguments in our house over which is the better game.

[Lawrh]

Soccer, football, rugby, baseball, cricket, basketball. All just a bunch of men playing with their balls. I guess I just don't get pro sports

[mwashington]

I guess I have missed the point from the begiinning. I might be wrong but I don't remember football being invented in Britain. I know they call soccer football in some parts of the country. I think they are meaning the same thing. But football in America was whole lot different than Rugby, soccer,or what they called Football in other countries. Football in America got it's name because when they started playing the game in order to score you had to drop kick the ball through the goal post. It counted 6 points and if you ran the ball through the goal it counted 3 points. That is why Americans became at one time very skilled at drop kicking the ball. I have not seen a person drop kick the ball until just the last year or two when a great pro quarterback here in America decided to do it. However,it only counted 3 points. It really isnt so much about which sport is the roughest. It is about maintaining a good spirited game rapped around safe play. The rules used to help provide some of the safety in all the sports. The only thing I can say about any game is if you have to have an ambulance in the end zone during the game something is wrong. We in America have school policies concerning safety in our school as well in athletics. However there seems to be a problem with American football being played in schools that believe in kids safety and health and at the same time put them in a position that an ambulance has to be in the end zone. I question this mentality. We as Americans have definitlely questioned that kind of thinking through the years because we tried to make the sport safe and healthy by using pads to protect the body. If Rugby has not got yet where they have to have an ambulance at all games then maybe the game is not as injury threatning as football here in America or Soccer. But maybe if soccer and rugby does not have the injuries that Americans have in football and dont need ambulances, we Americans might need to look at adopting another sport that is less life threatning whether it is called motjo or not. But to tell the truth you statement sounded like it was the British against the Americans. It sounded like you had a chip on your shoulder. Surely I got the wrong impression and if I did please accept my apology.

[redicelander]

Talk about annoying. Just wrote a reply to the topic and it the forum software erased it and it did not go through.

Well, as I do not want to write anything that long again, just want to say the main gist of my post was that if you want to argue about this word, a simple lesson in history will solve all arguments, and lead to greater understanding. America is not England. England is not America. The United States of America is not even part of the Commonwealth. The sooner everyone realizes Americans speak a different dialect of English and that's just natural evolution of language, the better.

But I know, people just like to argue and rib so logic does not matter for those who just want to argue for sport or joke around.

Oh, by the way, Americans did not make up the word "soccer," we got it from the English, themselves.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by mwashington

I might be wrong but I don't remember football being invented in Britain. I know they call soccer football in some parts of the country.

Football was codified in England. Football in America and football in the rest of the world are very different things, with American football being a divergence from rugby (and a game only played by girly sissy men ).

All three (football, rugby, and American football) ultimately have their origins in medieval mob football, which was extremely violent and had unlimited players, who could use any means except actually killing their opponents to score a goal).

[discrat]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

I rest my case. You're commenting on a skilled sport that
you have no idea about at all. Rugby is played by real men
as well as school boys, and there are a number of womens
teams too.

Yeah i think Glen needs to get off his Rugby High Horse. I rest my case in that you are naive to what American football is all about, Glen. You would realize that we Americans started playing 'real' football in Kindergartden without Pads and straight head to head collision, skin against skin.
Oh and yeah Glen another thing you ever hear the term "smear the queer " ?? Yeah it is what us Americans played in elementary school . One boy gets the ball and the other group of kids smear his face in the ground.
Yeah but in your Mind we are all sissies ??

Try telling that to Peyton Manning when he gets blindsided by a 290 lb defensive End. I read the average number of concussions a Pro Quarterback will get in his NFL Career is 6 !! That is 6 cracked craniums my friend !

Does that sound like a sissy , Glen ??

Case shut and closed.

P.S. You say Rugby is played by a number of Women's teams ?? Well, there you have it..........sissies playing a sissies sports!!

[discrat]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Case opened again promptly, the Celt growls.

But Glenn has got a point, you do all dress up
like a right bunch of pansies with all that padding
on. I mean, what are these guys, wimps or men?

There's no need for it, it's just well, what's the
word I'm looking for? Well, a bit sissified if you ask
me lol.


Mark #8.

Pansies ?? Whoah there a second. The padding, etc...it goes both ways !!
What hurts worse........getting rammed with a solid steel like helmet in the padless gut area. Or getting rammed by someones bare head in the padless gut area ?? Which one is going to knock the breath out of you ??

Or how about getting speared in the padless spine area by a helmet going 20 mph ?? Unfortunately, spinal injuries resulting in paralysis is a major problem in American football.

If thats being a Sissy...........well then I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you !!
Once again Europeans have NO concept of what it is like to play real football !

Damn, your own woman play your beloved Rugby, that should tell you something !!

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by discrat

Pansies ?? Whoah there a second. The padding, etc...it goes both ways !!

If thats being a Sissy...........

Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Girly-men! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Sissies! Pansies! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Girly-men! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Sissies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!
Sissies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Sissies! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!
Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Girly-men! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!
Pansies! Sissies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies! Pansies!

[Sleeq]

Whats soccer??

[Kevin Birch]

Originally Posted by Sleeq

Whats soccer??

Soccer is football (note the foot bit) - so if players touch the ball with their hands it is a foul . . .

[Kevin Birch]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Don't worry about him ^ he's from Barcelona.

Just give him a good slap!

Oh, is this Manuel you are talking about? Bah - He says he knows nothing! "¿qué?"

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Case opened again promptly, the Celt growls.

But Glenn has got a point, you do all dress up
like a right bunch of pansies with all that padding
on. I mean, what are these guys, wimps or men?

There's no need for it, it's just well, what's the
word I'm looking for? Well, a bit sissified if you ask
me lol.


Mark #8.

pish-tosh my friend. Go ask a reciever who gets leveled by a 250+lb tackle or a quarterback that has 4 350+ linemen coming at him everytime he has the ball how sissfied his job is. And even though all of them are the size of a decent sized refrigerator, they can cover half the field in under 6 seconds and have the singular goal of smearing him into a quarterback flavored paste before the whistle blows.

Add to that most NFL teams have a playbook thats thicker than most rugby players have the ability to read anyway and rugby and soccer might as well be school kids playing keep away

[Mike Wright]

I suppose that hauling all that beef and starwars gear around is why NFL
matches always seem to stop after 5 seconds for a rest and to get their
next set of grunted instructions

None of that poncy stuff when I played Rugby years ago.
Mostly we just kept playing unless there was a lineup, scrum down,
a try+ dropkick ...or someone had to be stretchered off. No dancing
dollybirds or even supporters sometimes .... it was all about the game
and the opposing team. A pair of shinpads and a tough shirt was advisable.

You can stick "Sports Entertainment" where the sun don't shine

[Jo W]

Soccer is football but because of the hero worship some Aussies attach to AFL it needs to be called soccer by the media, AFL is footy, American football is Grid Iron, Rugby is rugby! lol Yes, soccer IS the original football! ...I once joined a group called The Anti-Football League-it's symbol was a square football! hehe

[FaJeeb]

Rugby is getting much bigger in America. I've been playing for only two years, I couldn't play football again (played since I was 10), because its not nearly as fun to play or watch as rugby.

I love try outs, when the big sized kids come into rugby expecting to be praised for being big.

[Last_Knight]

I have seen all this talk before but the final conclusion will be one.
Greeks invented football.

[Sevenhills]

Originally Posted by ArticlesandContent

British invented both the game and the word Football so why are we brits having to differentiate between our game and American Football - Please USA use your own terms and find another word for your game!

JohnT

Didn't the Chinese invent football?

[jazbo]

Within 10 years the USA will have qualified for the knockout stages of the world cup, and suddenly their whole country will go soccer nuts. Then we will all wish we had not allowed their players in the premiership ;-)

[Sevenhills]

Originally Posted by jazbo

Within 10 years the USA will have qualified for the knockout stages of the world cup, and suddenly their whole country will go soccer nuts. Then we will all wish we had not allowed their players in the premiership ;-)

If that would mean we would get some hot cheerleaders on the pitch it would be a good thing! Last time I saw cheerleaders at a game was Glasgow Rangers against some Romanian team and I can tell you.. Thats the only thing about the game I ( want to ) remember.

Friedel is American, isn't he? Pretty darn good goalkeeper by the way

[Gasen]

Speaking of rugby, super 14 starts this weekend. Which is your team. SHARKS fan here.

[zip]

That has been really confusing, because when I go to a site with English language I am used to football meaning american football, and soccer meaning european. But when I visited a British site recently they split it into american football and football.

[DSG]

I may have a unique perspective. I think they are equally rough and tough in their own way, after all, hurt is hurt and pain is pain, no matter the sport.
I have played all three sports in question, The Real Football, Rugby and Tackle Football (American Football) and none of 'em are wussy, pussy or sissy sports.

I grew up playing Football and Rugby in England. I can't remember how many times i got kicked in the groin (or had the ball hit me there) or on the shins or knee, or had the metal studs (yeah I'm that old) of an opposing player scrape across the inside of my thigh. But that is probably because I was knocked out on a clash of heads going up for a header and sent to hospital with a concussion during one game.
In one school PE game here in the States I was tackled hard and my teeth went through my bottom lip when my face plowed into the goalkeepers knee. I still have the scar and the raised bump on my lip

I played Scrum Half ( that's a position in Rugby) at Forest Lodge Senior School and besides the occasional face scraping by the studs (cleats, for my Yank friends) the tackles can and do hurt and players do suffer concussions. I was fortunate I was never seriously hurt when I played.

OK here is my disclaimer...I have never played Tackle Football with pads on, didn't play for my High School team or in any organized league.
However I've played in many an after school, on weekends and traditional holiday non-pad games, and we did not hold back on the tackling.
I remember a Thanksgiving day game played with some Semi-Pro team members that had me going to hospital the next day. I was running towards the receiver full bore to knock him out of bounds when he caught the ball, a step late, he turned fast, hitting me in the chest with his elbow. Everyone on the field heard the loud crack and commented it was a hard hitting game, you can imagine the expletives. Anyway it turned out that i had busted the cartilage that holds my sternum together, that took years to heal.

Oh yeah..I loved playing smear the queer and I loved playing caught British Bulldog and king of the mountain.
They each have their thrills and spills, they each test your strength and will, they all are fun to play.

PS. Go Foxes..Go Tigers...Go three Lions

[Jamie Drew]

Scots invented football. As with many other things that are great.

Anyway I think everyone is missing the point, sport is not about who or what is more "manly", if that was the case then UFC or other MMA would be the regarded as the best.

Brits call it football because it's a ball that you kick, I'm not sure why on earth US call their version football though.

Anyway football/soccer is a highly skilled sport it's not just kicking a ball and 22 men chasing after it as I've heard many accuse it of being. There is far more mental side to the game that only people who love the game and live the game can understand. Also the atmosphere's in football/soccer stadiums (especially in the UK) are far better than anything I've seen from any other sport.

[Kurt]

Dave Duerson, a former NFL player just killed himself. He donated his brain to be studied for injuries.

The brains of 14 other NFL players have been studied and 13 out of those 14 brains had severe damage cause by repeated trauma, so I'm tired of the name calling. It's BS.

Some people are saying the recent brain studies of American football players is the beginning of the end for our football.

BTW, the reason rugby players aren't making millions in our NFL is because they are TOO SLOW. Not only do American football players have to be tough, they have to be FAST.

I think rugby fans need to take a look a Ndamukong Suh. 6'4". 310 lbs. Benches almost 500 lbs and runs about a 4.8 40 yard dash.

This is when Suh was still an amateur:

YouTube - Sports Science:Ndamukong Suh

YouTube - Sports Science with Ndamukong Suh Part 2

[ConsumerBoard]

some people call it football, some soccer.. who give a damn?? as long as we understand each other.

[Martin2010]

Although i love football i think it's turned into a creche. All these overpaid softies crying at getting beat and falling over all over the bloody place.

Totally agree that Soccer doesn't sound right and never will in my eyes Football all the way.

[fokerss]

FNL is USA word now

[Martin2010]

I prefer Soccer LOL

[jasdon]

American 'football' - a game where most of the play, the ball is in someone's hand.

Football (as in the game recognised as such by the other 5,700,000,000 of the worlds population) - a game where the feet are used 99% of the time.

[jasdon]

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hey Glenn,

Your argument is the same as figure skaters making fun of hockey players for wearing pads. Are you saying hockey players are also "sissys" because they wear pads and figure skaters are tough guys?

Hardly a cohesive argument - when did you last see figure skaters tackling each other?

Originally Posted by Kurt

Plus, every American boy that plays sports has played tackle football without pads for recreation. The organized game with pads is much tougher.

As I've brought up before, rubgy doesn't even allow blocking (obstruction) which means everyone away from the ball does nothing. In footbally, there's collisions all over the field on every play.

It's called tactics - rugby is a more cerebral sport. Not doing nothing - anticipating the play and moving accordingly.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Not to mention, rugby isn't the UKs's favorite sport, it's soccer, whereas football is the US's favorite. Soccer, a sport where you can't use your hands...That makes it the "river dancing" of sports.

No, that makes it FOOTBALL. Maybe you should change the name of your sport to handball?

Originally Posted by Kurt

Seriously, do some research into the concusions and brain damage our football players have before calling them sissys.

nfl concussions - Google Search

Who's to say they didn't have that 'damage' before they took up the sport?

[:Elective-]

I'm Singaporean, but am a huge EPL fan.

and seriously, use another name. Whoever would watch the "football" played in USA, when it isn't even played using feet!

And "Soccer" is still the most welcomed and most popular game in the world, and 'GOAL!!!!!!" could be understood in 65 million languages.

try beat that?

[:Elective-]

Originally Posted by JamieD87

Brits call it football because it's a ball that you kick, I'm not sure why on earth US call their version football though.

Cause they could not come up with a better name for the s***tty game they play, and just ripped the name off the world's most beautiful game?

P.S. don't be racist towards me. I'm Chinese, but I love everything the UK has to offer.

[:Elective-]

Originally Posted by Last_Knight

I have seen all this talk before but the final conclusion will be one.
Greeks invented football.

The CHINESE invented football, and was played first during the 3 warring states period when it was called " 蹴鞠" or cu ju.

[TheGrooby]

The Aliens from sector 217.223 A in the Brigantareer Galaxy invented football...

All these replies from people claiming to know that Soccer was invented in THEIR country is retarded. Who cares? And who cares about the name of the sport. Football, soccer, or whatever.

The point being missed here is that it's all a matter of opinion and preference. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a ****ty sport.

I enjoy watching football and American football. I don't like rugby but I'm not calling it complete ****.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Way to make friends there.

I suggest you read some Dale Carnegie when you get a chance.

Sheesh.