RANT: This just bothers me way too much, most of you should know better

Pretty common typo. Another I see folks scrambling up are the words "are" and "our". Rant taken and well received.

oh god another thread i should stay clear of, before my blood pressure goes up again

Another grammar wombat thread...

Remember, not everyone's primary language is English. Could you for instance type properly in Italian? We in the US tend to forget that there are many many different nationalities from many other countries here. So if they can't type proper English, should they be banned from posting and learning? I think not.

Unless someone is creating an ebook or some kind of other info product for sale, then who cares? It's a forum...why worry about it? Maybe we should spend our time and energy on contributing and learning while here. Just my opinion.

I also hate when people use a font that is too ('er is that to) small.

I just read your original post and nothing more.

Nobody cares....get a life. Thankyou.

I'm also not too bothered, many people here will not speak english as their native language as has been mentioned above. Also it is a forum, so people are not going to go out of their way to get evey spelling and gramatical error correct.

I think grammer is soooo important if your wantin to be a web sight Guru on the Interwebs.

@ Eljeffe - I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Using the incorrect spelling is :
a) lazy - and all those who are knocking you are doing so because they KNOW they make that mistake but don't have the b***s to admit it
b) confusing. You start to read the sentence, taking in the meaning of the whichever variation is written. I can't tell all those of you who think it is clever/funny to get it wrong just how seriously annoying it is to have to go back to the beginning of a sentence and read it again to find the real meaning just because you are too lazy to get it right.

Istvan is right - in my experience most poor English spelling/grammar is written by native speakers - like those above who claim they don't think it matters.

/rant

Your write. You're post is dead on.

The big issues in life are right here in this thread..... Sometimes I wonder why people get upset about little things like this!

I think when posting in forums and rushing through emails people just get lazy. When typing things as you are thinking you are more likely to spell phonetically than correctly. If you are communicating in a professional capacity you need to proof read. :-)

Look, I lerned ta red wit huked on fonics and it wurked fer me! I don see wat da big deal is anyways! Cant we just al git along? They're ya go.

Personally I try to steer clear of those type of mistakes. But when in a hurry, or in a relaxed atmosphere like a forum, I notice that I'll let one slip by once in a while.

However, I can't stand these type of threads. Anyone w/ a firm enough grip on the English language to make a thread like this, should be able to easily pull the proper meaning of a word from the context in which it's placed. So, in a way, posting such a thread is exposing your own lacking abilities. Most people come in here to relax, and learn about making money, not to be lectured by the grammar police.

Can we just stop these threads? This is a social forum, not the SATs. I bet if we were to meet in public, that you would occasionally slip in an "uh" or an "umm" when talking or presenting. Those aren't even words! Should someone just dismiss you because of that? Probably not.

It only slightly irritates me in forums but it really irritates me on a web site or landing page.

How you present yourself is important. Grammar and spelling errors on your pages are not acceptable if you're intent is to be seen as an authority. Lots of errors make it very difficult to read and it's distracting. It can also make it very difficult to comprehend the message.

...international forum. I say deal with typos, you don't have to read the thread if it annoys you that much.

Plus, why comment when you don't know the level of someone's literacy skills?

Maybe some people are here to read what others have to say and help out in things like programming and design or just want to comment.

IMO pointless thread.

Carlo

I agree with Ken. Nothing to do with IM or MMO.

YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER

Your write. People that make offencive righting need to except the consequences of doin so.

Shouldn't this thread be on the Off Topic forum?

Of course you *meant* to say 20s, 30s and 40s, didn't you?

Putting an apostrophe in 20s i.e. "20's" means "20 is"

Your right - this bothers the hell outta me

IRONY!!!!!

I think this is a cause for celebration. There are at least three RANTS on the front page now, all posted by Warriors who are presumably irate enough to give their thoughts the label, and all anxious to know why others do things in the ways they wouldn't. It's good to know that we're all doing so well that not only can we spare the time to ponder the practices of business owners who we think won't do well because of them, but that we can even find the time to get wound up about it too.

Life's too short for all this ranting. Whatever happened to the 'positive mindset of the successful'?!

Bingo!

I'm competing against every marketer out there. If you want to minimize the importance of good grammar, all the better for me.

It's also annoying that adults don't know how to post in the right forum. At best this and all other rants belong in the off topic forum. Or even better would be if Allen Says says no more rants posts.

Hunderds of years ago people would fret over each and every letter they wrote. They would spend hours making sure that each single letter was carefully written out properly, that case was used correctly, and so on.

In those days everything was done by hand and great care was taken because there was no instant gratification aspect. They recipent wouldn't read what was written for a long time after it was finished so more care was given to what was on the page.

However, in this age of instant gratification, instant publishing, instant everything, more and more people are becoming lax with proper writing skills, myself included. Add to that the fact that many people haven't had any kind of grammer lessons in 20 or 30 years and it's easy to see why many of us will some times spell words wrong, use the wrong case, or just not care about the "proper" use of grammer.

Most people honestly don't care if something isn't formatted in the "correct" grammer style or not. They just care about the information being given. As long as it can be understood then it's ok.

Now, although I do agree that a lot of us adults could us a grammer refresher, is it really that big of an issue when it is done on a forum that has nothing at all to do with proper use of language? This is a forum about making money online, not about proper use of language. I would understand these constant rants if someone was using the annoying as hell "leet" speak shorthand, but constantly complaining about your verses you're is getting old and has no productive value in this setting.

"Lose" = actually losing something, like losing your shirt in ppc

"Loose" = loosening your muscles with a nice massage after being stressed from losing your shirt in the above ppc example.

That bothers me too.

I know people want to harp about grammar and spelling not being that important, well, even JMo has started paying more attention to it.

Doing it right only takes a little extra effort and it WILL equal more sales, because you won't alienate people that want to buy from someone they perceive as educated.

Take the time, find out the difference, have some pride in it and you will feel good about it.

James

Just from my own research, I can tell you that there's no correlation between the amount of money you make, and the accuracy of your grammar. In fact, I can tell you that many of the best sales pages out there are well outside of the bounds of proper English. In fact, there are so many variations of the English language that most linguists would tell you that "proper English" is just about an oxymoron.

Here's what bothers me: I could understand making this point if the conversation became completely undecipherable. However, you obviously understood the conversation enough to know that the word was used improperly. So then pointing it out merely exposes yourself as a snob, or just someone that likes unnecessary nit-picking. Which in my opinion is an even better reason to not do business w/ someone. After all, what did you actually hope to accomplish w/ this thread?

Actually, I believe this thread has a great impact on IM. Personally, if I am interested enough to read a squeeze page and then find it full of grammatical errors, I will not buy. Maybe the person who created it is phenomenal in marketing. Maybe the person who created it is the go-to person for IM success. I still won't buy. I believe words mean something, so when they are misused, I seriously doubt the ability of the writer to be right about anything.

Just my 2 cents.

Linda

Pretty funny stuff....

I've gotten inundated with customers looking to teach the difference...

Sure the devils in the details... But you've got to have a place for the details to go first...

Too many rants.
I come to this site to learn what I may not know about marketing
and not spelling, punctuation or 4th grade English.

If you comment on my grammar you better say something nice. She was a wonderful woman who was loved and respected by all who knew her.

Ur right!

I see that your having some sort of problem, but I don't understand you're point.

You're preaching to the choir.
I've started a couple of threads about this very topic.

Drives me CRAZY!

All I ask is a simple proof reading.

I read an a print article in a very high-profile IM program magazine written by a well-known marketer that was virtually unreadable.

If anyone had taken the time to just glance over the article before it went to print it would never had made it.

eljeffe77

I just love language Nazis. My background is linguistics.

Where you are is in a forum - i.e. online conversations.
This is not a salespage - it's not an ebook - and what you are reading is not article submissions. It is conversation (or is supposed to be) and should, in reality take on aspects of conversation. That means there will be written mistakes. Some of those will reveal the social class of the writer - some, the personal quirks, some the education.

Refraining from using contractions would stilt the conversation to formal levels of speech........inappropriate diction for the vehicle of conversation. Lack of contractions in informal register indicates the emphatic, so need not be used. Contractions are correct forms of speech and are most widely used outside of formal diction.

As far as wrong word forms - sometimes just a typo or someone not paying that close attention to their typing. Big deal. If a wrong word usage appears in the same person's posts repeatedly, then it is probably a matter more of ignorance than of just casual carelessness.

If you would rather see posts written with care and formal diction, perhaps you would be happier reading through a submission site than reading forum posts.

Story --
I had a speech to give once for a class. I wore jeans.........because I felt like it. I gave the speech and ran out of time with about 10 minutes of information left. Nobody moved, I was asked to continue. So I talked for that extra 10 minutes and when I was done people gathered around me outside of the room to ask questions. I talked to those people another half hour before I could gracefully escape. The next day the critics were consistently raves for attention capture, informational interest and value, style, etc. ..........um.........all except for one and the only thing this person could say was that I was wearing jeans and it should have been a suit, and how I had degraded my intelligence.

Ya know what? I could give a rat's patoot if s/he was upset about those jeans. Throughout the time I talked and considering the subject, if all that person could "get" was that I had jeans on, than s/he didn't have enough of a clue of how to use that information to bother with anyway.

If a sales page has errors on it, that might be cause for concern. You can write a brilliant sales page without once slipping into formal diction, however.
In a forum, if people are too busy thinking while they type and then not editing before they post........Oh well. That's the way conversations roll sometimes - especially when many of the people in the discussion know each other personally. Many Warriors do, if you have failed to notice.

You may not want to do business with me........I don't edit my posts. Sometimes if I see a mistake I posted I never even bother to edit it when I see it if it's a small one like a typo. You might not even want to read another post I make because I'm not going to edit every time I want to just talk to my pals here.

I'm just going to continue to write casual responses to posts and continue to read the casual posts of others and enjoy discussions with my pals - even if they slip up here and there. If someone wants to be horrified because of a slip up, then they probably don't get the point of what I'm saying anyway.