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MORE CHINESE POISON!!!!!

by seasoned
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THIS time it is CADMIUM in "best friends forever" bracelets!

Steve
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    I try not to purchase anything from them.


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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Are the bracelets plastic or metal? I'm not familiar with them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think we forget our own past sometimes in these import problems with China. We know some other countries are years behind us in customer safety concerns - and China is one of those countries.

      Cadmium is a natural element that accumulates in the body just as mercury does....and as lead does. Cadmium was used in the past (just as lead was) in paint.

      Years ago lead-based paint was common in the US because we didn't know better - same with cadmium. I remember a science class many years ago where we played with shiny droplets of mercury on the lab table.

      Now WE know those substances accumulate in the body and are dangerous- but countries that are years behind the US in safety concerns for products don't worry about that yet.

      It doesn't do us much good to be safety conscious about metallic elements that are harmful to us - if we just import the cheap versions with prior testing of them. But that's what we do. Import and sell first - test later.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think we forget our own past sometimes in these import problems with China. We know some other countries are years behind us in customer safety concerns - and China is one of those countries.

        Cadmium is a natural element that accumulates in the body just as mercury does....and as lead does. Cadmium was used in the past (just as lead was) in paint.

        Years ago lead-based paint was common in the US because we didn't know better - same with cadmium. I remember a science class many years ago where we played with shiny droplets of mercury on the lab table.

        Now WE know those substances accumulate in the body and are dangerous- but countries that are years behind the US in safety concerns for products don't worry about that yet.

        It doesn't do us much good to be safety conscious about metallic elements that are harmful to us - if we just import the cheap versions with prior testing of them. But that's what we do. Import and sell first - test later.

        kay
        Boy, I guess you're a bit older than I am. We were told NOT to touch mercury! Then again, they DID use mercurichrome which some say had mercury in it. Some of this stuff china DOES know about. You're right though. A lot of things, like some metals, seem benign, and why suspect them? People DIDn't know any better. NOW, they do.

        sal,

        The part of the bracelet that probably has the problem is metal. Cadmium is a metal. It has been considered a toxic waste for some time, and is used in making nickel cadmium batteries. nickel metal hydroxide, and lithium are better though, so THEY are basically the only ones used in that area.

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    We're still exposed to a LOT of cadmium over here, Kay. Actually it's a bit hypocritical for us to be pointing at this one at all. Our industrial areas are loaded with the stuff - and fields from all the pesticides which contain it. Those aren't used much any more but the soil is still contaminated. Some plastic still has it and we drink water and other liquids from plastic all the time.

    If a country doesn't "catch up" with us in safety, it's their own problem when we stop buying, but it would make some sense to clean up our own acts before pointing out someone else's. There's a lot of things I stay away from in my own darned country because of the poisons in them.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      We're still exposed to a LOT of cadmium over here, Kay. Actually it's a bit hypocritical for us to be pointing at this one at all. Our industrial areas are loaded with the stuff - and fields from all the pesticides which contain it. Those aren't used much any more but the soil is still contaminated. Some plastic still has it and we drink water and other liquids from plastic all the time.

      If a country doesn't "catch up" with us in safety, it's their own problem when we stop buying, but it would make some sense to clean up our own acts before pointing out someone else's. There's a lot of things I stay away from in my own darned country because of the poisons in them.
      You're right, but WHY ship this stuff to our front doors?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You are right, Sal. I expect in 20 years many of the elements now included in our products will be on the "unsafe" list and we'll be complaining about China or another country using them.

      These are natural elements in our world so we are exposed to them anyway.

      Truth is very limited exposure to these elements isn't deadly - it's repeated doses that do the harm.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You are right, Sal. I expect in 20 years many of the elements now included in our products will be on the "unsafe" list and we'll be complaining about China or another country using them.

        These are natural elements in our world so we are exposed to them anyway.

        Truth is very limited exposure to these elements isn't deadly - it's repeated doses that do the harm.

        kay
        HEY, I hate ALUMINUM! That is one of the most prevalent materials on this planet. Apparently, it can be a deadly toxin, and is used in EVERYTHING! CARS, COMPUTERS, CANS, CONTAINERS, ANTIPERSPIRANT, COLORINGS, DRUGS..... OH YEAH, and PANCAKES, CAKES, BROWNIES, etc..... A product that really serves no purpose in them, has KNOWN ties to alzheimers, and is used in BAKING POWDER! So it is in ALL sorts of baked goods. And this is a relatively NEW phenomena. Most baking powder used prior to like 1950 did NOT have aluminum in it. Most after DOES!

        So Ronald reagan could have been done in by a PANCAKE!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I figured the bracelets were possibly silver - if those bracelets are soldered with silver that's the source.

    A lot of the aluminum around is particles to large to soak into your body, fortunately. America is one of the few countries that still uses mercury in dental work, though. And check your latest municipal water purity report for things like barium and arsenic - and then there's that TERRIFIC idea - sodium/silica fluoride. If the fluoride in your water isn't listed as breakdown or deterioration of natural sources(magnesium/calcium fluoride) it's industrial waste and that form is POISON pure and simple. It's not only allowed, it's actually dumped with purposeful intent.

    Plastic is so contaminated with so many things, and just plain harmful on its own that it's a wonder more people aren't dying from exposure to that crap. You can still get baking sodas and powders without aluminum - just make sure to read the labels - which won't say when it IS in there, just when it isn't.

    There are 6,000 chemical additives in our food products. Feelin' comfy about that?

    There is some new study going on somewhere, I think Japan - they are making plastic from water and it's non-toxic. They haven't got it completed yet, so far they have soft bendable plastic, but not the hard form. That will put a major crimp in the plastic market and save a LOT of environmental contamination when it is perfected for use. Of course, as poisonous as we've allowed our waters to become, unless they do a reverse osmosis on the water they use in products, those products will still contain poisons.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      When I worked as an engineer in Japan 20 years ago cadmium was illegal to use there.

      This problem has been known in Asia for decades.

      I think it could be a matter of just not caring.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You may be right - it's not their people buying this crap, is it?:p
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          A bit research - and this is what I question.

          The feds recalled the same type of bracelet that were sold as christmas bracelets for children....so why were the same bracelets in a different design allowed to be imported after that?

          The problem was identified in mid-January and walmart and other stores pulled the products off the shelf - BUT these were christmas themed so probably were widely sold before being pulled.

          Only now - with another recall of the same item in a different design does the fed plan to screen these products at port of entry.

          Little slow, wouldn't you say?
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