Internet approaches addressing limit

14 years ago

There is SO much WRONG with that article, that it isn't even funny! The address limit was being approached over 10 YEARS ago! THAT is why they are, and have been, RATIONING! The limit is NOT 4 billion! There are 4 billion addresses in the IP standard AND, according to the standard ALL, or most addresses below 0,10,127, 169.254,172.161 etc... are UNROUTABLE! SO, 4 billion in the standard means ****LESS**** than 4 billion on the internet!

BTW we have ALREADY FAR exceeded 4 billion connections. Nobody notices due to the ports, name resolutions, etc...

IANA has the right to audit, and many haven't complied, so there may be IP addresses recalled!

OH, and the v6 addresses CAN'T be used for the internet, because many haven't upgraded to v6 capable and enabled hardware! If amazon switched over to just v6, for example, they would go bankrupt as they might not get a single customer. Of course, there ARE hybrid switches/routers, etc.... MOST probably are, but that allows people to delay. And NOW? During a DEPRESSION? Yeah, I think they'll wait! Hey, they have until now! Linux was v6 compatible almost 10 years ago. I don't think windows XP is though. And what of wifi?

And how many HERE have v6 compatible sites?

Steve

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HeySal

14 years ago

Okay Steve..........um........I realize you are a tech in the extreme sense of the word and forget that some of us are NOT. How the heck would someone like me who drools when just reading anything technically oriented even KNOW if we are v6 compatible?

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Bill Farnham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

How the heck would someone like me who drools when just reading anything technically oriented even KNOW if we are v6 compatible?

Sal, it's pretty simple...if you like a lot of horsepower, buy a car with a V8 in it. If you need the best fuel economy you can get, buy a 4 cylinder.

If you want power and economy that means you *******ARE******* v6 compatible.

Comprendo? :p

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

Sal, it's pretty simple...if you like a lot of horsepower, buy a car with a V8 in it. If you need the best fuel economy you can get, buy a 4 cylinder.

If you want power and economy that means you *******ARE******* v6 compatible.

Comprendo? :p

~Bill

But what if I want a slant 6 or a straight 6? Am I stuck with a v6?

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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

But what if I want a slant 6 or a straight 6? Am I stuck with a v6?

Kurt,

She wasn't asking about those...Maybe she does like her 6's straight or slanted come to think of it...

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Okay Steve..........um........I realize you are a tech in the extreme sense of the word and forget that some of us are NOT. How the heck would someone like me who drools when just reading anything technically oriented even KNOW if we are v6 compatible?

Well, the specs should indicate it, and then there are routers... It doesn't look like people even openly talk about this anymore. For CISCO, you could go to like:

Cisco IPv6 Solutions [IPv6] - Cisco Systems

But their 850 and 860 series do NOT support ipv6!

If you have problems, FORGET about 2500,4000,7500. Some others are conditional.

Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I am talking about.

As for your servers on the internet? ASK THE PROVIDER of service. And if they say it supports it, ask for the ipv6 address. If it works, YOU and your site are fully compatible. If it doesn't, you know something is wrong. Maybe your site, ISP, and local hardware is right, but some other connection isn't. WHO KNOWS!?!?!?

My point is it is NOT easy or cheap(It may be cheap for YOU to convert from the ISP to your keyboard, but you are one of BILLIONS), so it won't come quickly. And that article is certainly NOT news!

Steve

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14 years ago

IPv6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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ThomM 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

IPv6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Kim, do you have a link to an article that would explain just what the hell that article said:confused:
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HeySal

14 years ago

I drive V6. Other than that I'm not particular as long as I don't get them in duplicate while playing craps.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Steve,

OH, and the v6 addresses CAN'T be used for the internet, because many haven't upgraded to v6 capable and enabled hardware!

Dude, there's a big difference between "haven't upgraded yet" and "can't be used." It's already being used heavily in China, and IIRC, Google has IPv6-based versions of their services.

This is one of those things that will be a pain - once. Deploying it won't be anything like the effort that would be needed for adoption of an SMTP replacement, for example. And this has to be done.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steve,Dude, there's a big difference between "haven't upgraded yet" and "can't be used." It's already being used heavily in China, and IIRC, Google has IPv6-based versions of their services.

This is one of those things that will be a pain - once. Deploying it won't be anything like the effort that would be needed for adoption of an SMTP replacement, for example. And this has to be done.

Paul

Well, SMTP is at least just run from software, and they could transition it a LOT easier. HECK, I always liked the idea of a secure point to point encrypted connection with NO relaying. That would solve SO many problems.

But you know what I mean. ALSO, this may well be like TV sets the US had one of the worst TV standards around, but they were stuck with it for SO long. They have been talking about improving it for at least 30 years. And only recently managed to do so. Heck, they eventually decided to change the signal completely, and forced everyone to change or get adapters. SURE, cable companies CLAIMED they wouldn't, but it looks like they WILL follow. I have heard that some had their old signal cut,

Anyway, my point is simply that upgrading was involved. Even today, with the systems companies have, some may cost very little. I have seen routers that I now used to cost THOUSANDS selling for a couple hundred. Still, the time to install them, orchestrate it so there is very little down time, etc... The time, in some cases, to find similar components.... That isn't something that will happen tomorrow.

As for china? I don't know. Maybe they got a lot of people in late, etc...., and started on the ipV6 hardware. It HAS been around for a while. ALSO, we KNOW they have a lot of control over the network, etc.... Sometimes that makes such things more efficient.

Steve

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Steve,

Well, SMTP is at least just run from software, and they could transition it a LOT easier. HECK, I always liked the idea of a secure point to point encrypted connection with NO relaying. That would solve SO many problems.

I doubt it would be easier, given that every system out there would have to adopt it pretty much simultaneously. That's the biggest stumbling block to switching to a more secure email infrastructure, AIUI.

At the moment, I'd be happy to see more ISPs blocking outbound port 25 access and requiring proper authentication. Just being logged in shouldn't be enough to let mail through.

No, IPv6 isn't coming tomorrow, but it's coming. It has to.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steve,I doubt it would be easier, given that every system out there would have to adopt it pretty much simultaneously. That's the biggest stumbling block to switching to a more secure email infrastructure, AIUI.

At the moment, I'd be happy to see more ISPs blocking outbound port 25 access and requiring proper authentication. Just being logged in shouldn't be enough to let mail through.

No, IPv6 isn't coming tomorrow, but it's coming. It has to.

Paul

Well, with the type of SMTP ***I*** would want if google supported it, ALL their customers could use it. EVERY LAST ONE! With the current methodology for SMTP, that would be near impossible because of the relays. It was created for redundancy and certain types of CORPORATE and system security BUT it is also:

1. slower
2. harder to setup
3. less secure for the users
4. harder to trace in some ways.

Of course, for example, your ISP would have really NO ability to scan your email, keep records of it, or even prevent you from getting it. ALL autoresponders would have near 100% transmission to the end recipients system, and THEY would have to deal with the mail.

With the current system, they can scan it all, store it all AND, if they decided to not relay it, BLOCK IT!

I never said IPv6 won't come, simply that it won't come QUICKLY. Too many act like it is a conspiracy or something. HECK, they even use the same connections and cables. Outside of routing, repeating, and converting, NOTHING needs to be changed. It will actually be FAR easier than the conversion from 10b2! LUCKILY, MOST people started with 10bt. 10bt cable is only rated for 10Mbps but is otherwise IDENTICAL(in appearance and function) to 100bt and even 1000bt in use today.

Unfortunately, a LOT of things need to be routed, repeated, and converted. A company like microsoft could take MONTHS to do that, and it could cost millions. If a PERSON needs to do it, they could pay like $100+ for a system upgrade, maybe thousands for upgrading some software(Luckily MOST software is either not dependent, free, etc...), and MAYBE, if they have a VERY old one, $40 or more for a new router. Who knows, some of those old style licensed ebooks, etc... may start failing.

BTW ***I*** started with 10b2 around 1990! I ended up NOT only getting routers(10b2 didn't really REQUIRE them for smaller networks), hardware, etc... like some older 10bt adopters, but I ALSO had to replace the cable and learn a few different things as well. So I guess I got a little taste of how bad it COULD be. I was even in two cities where they ripped up the streets to place new trunk lines. Yep, CHANGE happens! But not always really fast.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

It's Y2K all over again, except with hardware.

Hey, Y2K paid me about $1,500 a day for well over a year. Some people are going to make serious bank on this change.

The marketers among us might want to start thinking about that...

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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It's Y2K all over again, except with hardware.

Hey, Y2K paid me about $1,500 a day for well over a year.

Wow, you musta lived in a real fancy car back then...

J/K

I went through that homeless ordeal as well when I was younger.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It's Y2K all over again, except with hardware.

Hey, Y2K paid me about $1,500 a day for well over a year. Some people are going to make serious bank on this change.

The marketers among us might want to start thinking about that...

Yeah, I kind of blew it with Y2K. I knew COBOL but HATED it! I was a creature of habit and had a job. 8-(

Well, the ipv6 switch will require some changes to SYSTEM software, which has probably been done almost 100%, drivers, which may be done a lot, new hardware, which many already have, and setups, replanning, etc... which should be done by people already managing that. They ALSO have to purchase the rights to the IPs, and assign them, which should ALSO be internal.

I don't know how a person can come from the outside NOW and really get a large amount of it, or even an amount that will make it worth the extra hassle.

Y2K was different in that people got complacent, and got rid of COBOL programmers. They also had TONS of code that hade to be waded through.

Steve

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