Warning about copy machines!

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WARNING ABOUT COPY MACHINES!

Have you ever made a photocopy of an important document such as a driver's license, birth certificate or utility bill?

Think the original and the copy are the only ones that exist? Think again!

Photo copiers have hard drives that store copies of every single page printed on them!

And when those copiers are sold as used copiers, guess what is shipped with them? Yep, the hard drives which are not removed and erased.

Watch this eye-opening video:



I tried to add the url to the video but this forum software keeps turning it into a video window, so if you want the url, go to youtube and type Copy Machines: A Security Risk into the search window and copy the url when the video comes up.

Email that url to every single person you know and encourage them to email it to every person they know!

We need to get the word out about this. People do not know their personal security is at risk like this, from an innocent-looking copy machine!
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I don't know about the LATEST ones, but I am sure they are no less secure than the others. YEP, the photocopy drum DOES hold an image. The same is true of laser printers. But who could really read it in most cases?

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      I don't know about the LATEST ones, but I am sure they are no less secure than the others. YEP, the photocopy drum DOES hold an image. The same is true of laser printers. But who could really read it in most cases?

      Steve
      We can do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Emailrevealer View Post

        We can do it.
        You can actually unravel and clean up the impressions on a photodrum?

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author helptobiz
    Wow I never knew of this thanks for the info! I would like to add has anyone checked out the adobe flash player? Read about their security risk. In a nutshell all your browsing history is "by default" stored on it and unless you erase this and change the settings you have no privacy.
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  • Profile picture of the author mesin fotocopy
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    • Profile picture of the author g4r3th
      Thanks for the warning. Anything that can help prevent identity theft is good.
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      • Profile picture of the author scottsdaleins
        whoa, i remember reading something about this a long time ago, but watching this made me remember it... But like the other members said, it just takes a bit too much work to do it. Or just stay safe and not doing any personal stuff at the office that involves that
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I obviously didn't see the video before. That is STUPID! If I EVER find out that that happened to me, I will sue THREE levels deep, or ALL THE WAY to the MFG, INCLUSIVE!

    That IDIOT that said, as if to say "It's SO cheap, THEY should buy it", "$500"! HELL, I would sue HIM also!

    WHERE do they get off putting a KNOWN security risk into a system, and actually paying EXTRA to do so, and they say "You know, this is insecure......, pay us $500 MORE, and we will work around the problem WE put in!"!?!?!?

    Drives cost a LOT of money. ALL they have to do is use the code that they need ANYWAY to store it in a buffer that they need ANYWAY, and write it to the drum to make the copies. Over time, on the next use, or if the drum is exposed to light, the image will be ERASED! Emailrevealer, You would NOT be able to read it! On the next use, or if it loses power for 1ms, the memory would be erased. Not even the fanciest lab in the FBI could ever determine what was on it! If you want a trillion copies, you can just reimage the drum from the buffer.

    They DON'T need a drive! I bet they put them in to archive, fax(Faxes may be sent out in a different order due to busy numbers and workload), and maybe track employee usage. NONE should apply at kinkos.

    There IS something known as an "expectation of privacy". Violating THAT is tantamount to your INTENTIONALLY publishing in a book!

    And they can't blame ME for going to kinkos because the GOVERNMENT asks for something I can't provide because the PRINTER MFGs use the ink they do.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg124
    One of the main reasons which makes a drive necessary is that complex documents can be produced. For example 20 pages can be fed into the copiers automatic document feeder at once, with the machine then programmed to produce say 30 copies of that 20 page document as a booklet, folded and stapled.

    The copier makes the booklets one after the other, and so each page is effectively written to the drum for each copy in turn, and this process is repeated as many times as there are booklets needed ( in this example 30 times ).

    As the 20 pages ( in this example ) are fed through the document feeder, they are scanned page by page and the scan data is stored on the hard drive.
    The data from the hard drive is the written to the drum from the hard drive as needed.

    Basically a hard drive would not be needed if we were copying one page at a time.

    For large jobs volatile RAM memory could be used instead of a hard drive with greater security ,for large jobs a very large amount of RAM would be needed and this would be very expensive compared with the cost of a hard drive.

    An obvious solution would be to ensure that the contents of the hard drive are encrypted and that the pages would be de-crypted on the fly as they are being written to the image drum - this would cause extra expense and complexity from the point of view of the photocopy manufacturer - who only care about their bottom line.

    Greg
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Greg124 View Post

      One of the main reasons which makes a drive necessary is that complex documents can be produced. For example 20 pages can be fed into the copiers automatic document feeder at once, with the machine then programmed to produce say 30 copies of that 20 page document as a booklet, folded and stapled.
      Good point, but many machnes aren't that complicated

      Basically a hard drive would not be needed if we were copying one page at a time.
      exactly.

      An obvious solution would be to ensure that the contents of the hard drive are encrypted and that the pages would be de-crypted on the fly as they are being written to the image drum - this would cause extra expense and complexity from the point of view of the photocopy manufacturer - who only care about their bottom line.

      Greg
      Actually, they COULD use a method used for DECADES! Every multitasking OS I have ever heard of had it. All DECs, SUNS, probably ALL IBMS, Linux, UNIX, MAC, oh yeah, and EVERY version of windows, at least from v3.0 to windows 7,server 2008, etc.... It is something called a print queue! The information is stored, used, and wiped out. Average cost? *****NOTHING*****! I mean it is the simplest little routine to write, generic, etc... You need almost all the logic to handle tasks like faxes and printing.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I watched this show or similar a couple of years ago on tv.

    It doesn't matter how hard you try to protect your scanned personal info. with these copy machines.

    Think about the thousands of loan companies that copy your data & you never know about it (auto loans, real estate loans, etc...).

    They need to ban the hard drives on all copy machines, period.
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