Evidence of an advanced ancient civilisation, pre-dating ours!

14 years ago

Article_ghostwriter,

BE CAREFUL about NEW history info. They have tried to change things that even occured MINUTES ago, and certainly earlier, so one has to really be careful.

HECK, THAT is what this film is about! Look at SG1, the original movie(star gate) simply spoke of a creature that took over a human on another planet, etc.... SG1 was took that in both directions. Ironically, the new thread, connecting all of the television series, is that the Earth had humans that eventually broke into 3 groups. On the Earth, they appeared as two. One stayed human and stayed on the earth. The other were on a ship made to look like and be a city that flew off to another galaxy. THERE, faced with a fantastic threat, they sunk the ciity in the ocean with a protective field. Obviously, THAT explains atlantis.

But there are a LOT of OBVIOUS things! And some WERE found by the chinese, greeks, etc.... Yet EVERY society had horrible leaders that SUPPRESSED most such info. OBVIOUSLY, this lasted until sometime in the 1700s for the most part. LET'S see what happened with ONE potential industry ALL of known history, at least from what I have seen. Dates are approximate to within about 6 years.

1600 -- Electricity is given a NAME! WOW!
1800s -- Basic electricity is used <<<<This is ALSO when voltaic got credit for creating the battery!
1900 -- Basic electronics is used <<< VACUUM TUBE DEVELOPED based on a phenomenon Edison noticed in creating the lightbulb.
1950 -- Transistors used
1960 -- ICs used
1970 -- Microprocessors used
1975 -- Computers become economically feasible!
1980 -- Computers acknowledged by business!
1990 -- Internet opened up
1995 -- WWW created
2000 -- WWW in wide spread use
2010 -- NEXT threats to technology!

So WHY was electricity not worked with earlier? It is ALL OVER! At times, you can FEEL it in the air! You can SEE it in lightning, the heat can generate thunder! Thursday is from the nordic word torsdag, which means THOR'S DAY! It is named after the god of LIGHTNING! So you KNOW they have known about it a LONG time! HECK, ZEUS threw LIGHTNING BOLTS! Yet NOBODY thought about harnessing the power!?!?!?

Well, it was a FORCE! Rulers didn't like others working with such things, and religious groups saw it as MAGIC! HECK, one of the inventors of the transistor was found to be racist, so it is surprising THAT wasn't supressed. If it were, EVERYTHING ELSE would have come to a screeching halt. The transistor was not merely the transistor, but the creation of an entirely new fabrication technique, and understanding, that made pretty much everything since POSSIBLE!

And there is revisionist history written EVEN TODAY! I have witnessed people trying to do it with me SECONDS after the fact. They have done it here ALL THE TIME. I COULD say lots more but.... And we truly ARE in a kind of planet of the apes. In the first planet of the apes movie, the LEADER knew what happened, but he rewrote history to make sure nobody else knew. They also worked to make sure humans never got back to where they were. This was done by making them slaves, saying apes were superior, and any talking human was killed or sent off for brain examination, where they first severed control of the vocalchords. As for apes, etc? They were FORBIDDEN to go to places the leader couldn't explain away, and it was HERRESY to even SPEAK of such beliefs. GRANTED, that was "just a movie", but there are LOTS of religious examples that are REAL also.

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

So Steve....I take it you've never heard of the ancient "Egyptian Power and Light Company"?...

Ancient Egyptian Electricity

Or even....Achmed Airlines?

Ancient Airplanes

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ThomM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

So Steve....I take it you've never heard of the ancient "Egyptian Power and Light Company"?...

Ancient Egyptian Electricity

Or even....Achmed Airlines?

Ancient Airplanes

That was my first thought when I saw the thread title.
Sometimes I think the history writers are just afraid to admit that past civilizations where as smart or smarter then us.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by article_ghostwriter

Seasoned, I hear you. But 'revisionist history' is probably an oxymoron because - from the moment our paleolithic ancestors put plant dye to cave wall - we (future generations) have been at the mercy of biased perspectives. And, as you point out, primary documents are indeed suspect because they were often authored at the command of tyrants or those with, shall we say, 'vested' interests (the three best-selling books of all time? The Bible, Mao's Little Red Book and the Koran). Historiography is rife with hagiography! (Winston Churchill said it best: "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.")

HeySal: interesting post! I'd be really interested to see your newsletter.

Actually, for most history, and inventions, the last writings are the most likely to be riddled with lies. Of course, as you said, the first HISTORY may be written to give an evil view. As for inventions, WHO KNOWS!?!?!? MANY patents filed are WORTHLESS DRECK laying in wait for some poor guy to get it done and be sued.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

So Steve....I take it you've never heard of the ancient "Egyptian Power and Light Company"?...

Ancient Egyptian Electricity

Or even....Achmed Airlines?

Ancient Airplanes

Actually, I HAVE! THAT is my point! Things were done to a degree, but communication or records weren't really possible. GROUP efforts were suppressed!

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HeySal

14 years ago

I just did a newsletter about this issue. Yes - we are being told very little of the truth of archaeology. Why? You decide.

I know many very educated treasure hunters. They find things and date them (there IS technology to do dating whether we hear of it or not. The method is called atomic signaturing). One team found some very interesting relics at 10 ft deep in Wyoming. The officials refused to authenticate them because "they couldn't be there". Why? because number 1. we'd have to rewrite history. 2. doesn't adhere to religious teachings. 3. Because they said something else that went on record and it will make them look bad.

People are coerced (read: strong-armed) to send things to the Smithsonian and they disappear to never be heard of again. Then you get disinformation spread to make any leaks look like hoaxes. The Smithsonian is in possession of several extremely large mummified bodies found in the US - 8 thru 9 ft - oriental looking features. Where did they go? One archaeologist put up info and suddenly you see all these photo-shopped idiotic 40 ft skeleton find picture hoaxes.....so now you say large skeletons and everyone thinks you are falling for 40 ft skeleton idiocy. What is the story of the real ones? We'll never know.

Over 6,000 years ago someone was mining Michigan copper. They say that there is no evidence at all for who might have been the miners even though such a major operation would have taken boats, camps, food utensils, sleeping quarters -- large amounts of people. Yet NO trace? come on. None of the Native tribes know a thing about it and that isn't likely that if it were related to natives that there would be absolutely no clue of it in their legends.

There are right now studies being done on an archaelogical site in Africa -- which is between 130,000 and 200,000 years old. The particular archaeological team has theories about our origin being other than earthly. His team is going to be discredited no matter what he finds because his ideas of our origins don't fit indoctrinated beliefs of this era. Whether or not he believes in extra-terrestrial origins is even beside the point - the settlement is of great age vastly beyond those we considered of human civilization. Yet the 135,000 year old beads found in Africa that lay testimony to abstract thought during those ages are in museums and it would be clueless for us to assume they they appeared of their own volition - someone made the things.
They have been re-dated using more modern methods. It was first believed they were of a ripe old 60 -75,000 years.

Comparative studies of ancient writings have been completely unspoken of in most sectors. Some we never hear of at all. Why? Can't talk about it in THIS forum.

If you read about "What are they hiding" in my newsletter:
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You will see just one area that is repeatedly spoken of by archaeologists but never out loud - they risk their careers when they talk out loud about anything not in the realm of "accepted" indoctrinated theory.

You will never hear about the other relics found underneath layers of lava. It is just said "no you are mistaken, these can NOT be that old". But they have no answer for how artifacts got under a 100,000 year old layer of lava. The predictable answer is "that can't be where these are from". Uh...yeah okay - they can't be where they were. That one didn't go over on Crete where they just found the relics that show that man was sea-faring way before most science will boldly admit that there was even the most rudimentary civilization.

Go figure.

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HeySal

14 years ago

I prefer my info from scientists instead of comparative Sci Fi, Steve. LOL.

But:

LET'S see what happened with ONE potential industry ALL of known history, at least from what I have seen. Dates are approximate to within about 6 years.

Don't forget the Bagdad batteries which were in use around 5,000 years ago, although, I am sure they had different labels for electricity. Also -- strangely enough, after being accepted as being batteries and with capabilities and the correct build, now some tweak is trying to claim that they aren't batteries at all -- why now after all these years? A little late in the game to try to turn around that one.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I prefer my info from scientists instead of comparative Sci Fi, Steve. LOL.

But:

Don't forget the Bagdad batteries which were in use around 5,000 years ago, although, I am sure they had different labels for electricity. Also -- strangely enough, after being accepted as being batteries and with capabilities and the correct build, now some tweak is trying to claim that they aren't batteries at all -- why now after all these years? A little late in the game to try to turn around that one.

Crap....they have reconstructed some of those little buggers and have PROVEN they produce electricity.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Crap....they have reconstructed some of those little buggers and have PROVEN they produce electricity.

HOW did they reconstruct? Did they add any fluid? If NO, then they did something we haven't been able to do TO THIS DAY! If YES, then they changed something materially based on what they KNEW! That doesn't prove that was how they were used.

BTW I ALSO slipped in that a misinformation campaign and dismantling of the internet may start THIS YEAR!

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HeySal 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Crap....they have reconstructed some of those little buggers and have PROVEN they produce electricity.

My point exactly -- even at this point, someone is trying to discredit what is already pretty well known.

Most of what I write about archaeology on my newsletter comes with a word of "you can't print this, but........." If sometime all our archaeologists can find funding that doesn't come from the "authorities" and can find enough accredited people to validate places and dates that don't have to depend on the money of officials -- we are going to get a blast that you aren't gonna believe.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I prefer my info from scientists instead of comparative Sci Fi, Steve. LOL.

But:

Don't forget the Bagdad batteries which were in use around 5,000 years ago, although, I am sure they had different labels for electricity. Also -- strangely enough, after being accepted as being batteries and with capabilities and the correct build, now some tweak is trying to claim that they aren't batteries at all -- why now after all these years? A little late in the game to try to turn around that one.

OK, I ran on ONE tangent and people skip over a lot of the meat I put there! My point was that in 200 years 1800-2000 we went from ******NOTHING***** to the internet! And that even thursday points to electricity, so OBVIOUSLY, in 14000 years or so, SOMEONE had a chance to do what we did. Revisionist history, laws, and persecution made that near impossible for the past 10,000 years of so.

I EVEN mentioned how hatred of racism could have stopped the whole industry IN ITS TRACKS! Since one of the creators of the transistor was a racist.

as for the batteries, WHO KNOWS? Maybe they were, maybe the weren't. You can take a penny and almost any other coin, and a lemon and create a battery.

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Kurt

14 years ago

A little off topic, but not too much...

You know the one invention I always wondered why the ancients didn't think of it, and that's the hot air balloon. They (Greeks, Romans) had all the technology needed and they surely knew that heat rose.

The Greeks also invented a steam powered jet engine, which was more of a spinning vessel, but they never applied it past that. They were only one small step away...Think if steam power had been around 2000 years ago.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

The Greeks also invented a steam powered jet engine, which was more of a spinning vessel, but they never applied it past that. They were only one small step away...Think if steam power had been around 2000 years ago.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that. But yeah, ANOTHER example! If you can patent stuff(so you can feel free to make it public), and you are FREE to exchange ideas(free off religious and society persecution), then there can be synergy that can make things take off, like they have for the last 200 years.

Sadly, there was too much persecution. And we KNOW there has been revisionist history, like what heysal is talking about, and I illustrated. The only question is how much and how long.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Also - the Antikythera Device was reconstructed and does astral coordinates that they never guessed were even known back then - Dates to ancient Greeks. There are other mechanisms spoken of and explained in texts from that era, too. This is just the only one found and reconstructed.

And what about the Piri Reis Map? I've taken some clips from my article about this one:

..........The existence of a map dating from the middle ages, then, that could be used to correct errors in modern maps created as late as the 1950s would be nothing less than astonishing. But it does exist.The map was drawn by Piri Reis in 1513. It shows detailed and pointedly accurate outlines of Eastern North and South America, and Western Africa, an absolutely amazing accomplishment in that era, but that is not the real show stopper about this map. It also shows a completely accurate detailed outline of the Northern Antarctic Coast as it exists without the ice cap. This is not just amazing, it is impossible by any technique we know of to have existed in the known technology of civilization until our present abilities...........
The first complication is that Antarctica had not been discovered yet in 1513. The fact that Piri Reis had stated himself that he had used other maps from other resources available to sailors in his era, some dating back to the days of Alexander the Great, does nothing but compound the mystery. That only means that this information was compiled at an even earlier date............

The outline of Antarctica on this map shows the coastline as it is under the one mile thick snow cap of the region -- with an accuracy we can verify now by using only recently developed technology via aerial surveying. It has been calculated that the last time the Antarctic coast was clear of this ice cap was 6,000 years ago at the most recent, with a possible inaccuracy of this figure pushing the date back to possibly as long as 13,000 years ago......

In 1953 the Hydrographic Bureau of the U.S. Navy acquired this map and actually used it to correct errors in their own present day maps. Apparently whoever drew these charts had the knowledge of the fact that the world is round, the circumference, within 50 miles, and an extremely advanced knowledge of spherical trigonometry.
The Piri Reis is only one of several maps drawn during the middle ages by sailors using mapping from ancient sources completely unknown to us in present times............

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Gasen

14 years ago

About 2 months ago jimmymc linked to an ebook which I downloaded and read. It's content is about earth's past and is very thought provoking. Altlantis may have existed. An ancient civilisation made reference to a war with another ancient civilisation which may have been Atlantis.

You may download a copy here
Earth's Forbidden Secrets

The author is Maxwell Igan

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HeySal

14 years ago

HeySal: interesting post! I'd be really interested to see your newsletter.

There's a link to it in, I believe, my first post (second maybe). It's online.

Writing that newsletter has put me in touch with people with information that just makes my head want to explode. It's frustrating to not be able to write it, but I am just so dead out grateful that I have been able to hear it. It took awhile to build the trust to get to it but there are many I can talk to now and they just calmly slip in "oh, by the way, this is off the record". I've never betrayed anyone - it would be the end of my own education.

At first I took everything with a grain of salt figuring it was just one person so probably elaborating -- but EVERY archaeologist - EVERY treasure hunter (who always have archaeologists on their teams) has some overlapping info, and they ALL say the same things about suppression of info. I've heard enough of it to know that it's not just idle talk. It's funny, too, how easily they say things once they know they can trust the listener. It's as if "off the record" is such a main part of their lives that they don't even think twice about it once they know you won't rat em out publicly. And then if you call someone else to verify something (without spilling the name of the person who told you) the person you verify possibilities with can often tell you more on the subject and sometimes even who you talked to......it's wild. There's a total underground of correct information flowing with ease - and then the upper layer or crust keeping it all under the wire for whatever stupid agenda they could possibly have. I have yet to find the bottom line though, if it's known by anyone yet -- what would we do if we knew the ultimate truth? Would we exhile our politicians? Change our view of religion? Who would lose control? Obviously some powerful faction would lose total control or there wouldn't be secrets. There is just so much more to find out yet.

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14 years ago

Thanks for the excellent discussion here guys. As marketers we have the opportunity to wake up quite a few other people who may not believe that there was an advanced ancient civilisation that pre-dated ours here on earth. Maybe we can do as HeySal did and send out a newsletter to our lists to promote these facts, get more people thinking about it and maybe there will be enough of a torrent that the truth may be revealed sooner rather than later.

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HeySal

14 years ago

LOL - holy cripes, Ghostwriter - you're probably right, but my life isn't very secret. I'm a gem hunter. Pure and simple - one with pals that are very adept in technology, both online and offline.

As far as RHS1 - we've been publishing the truth about "global warming" for years now - it took several years for the truth to come out and there are still stupidly placed attempts to make people continue to think "global warming" even though it's getting cold. Go figure. But it was nice to see the truth finally get outed. Sometimes hackers can make quite a GOOD difference if they want to put all that talent to something worthwhile for something other than crashing computers of the defenseless.

James --
http://www.suppressedscience.net/

You will find many articles here dealing with the suppression of scientific fact. I published one in 2009 in my newsletter --- they freely allow you to do so, and of course, I was more than happy to put their link in so people could read the rest of their articles. Yes - it's time to get the word out that we are being kept from enlightenment of some sort. As I said earlier - I am searching for the bottom line. Is what we would find so enlightening that it would change the course of our history to know?

I have many comments I wish I could cover here, but I like having a membership to this site, so will refrain.........but it would be wonderful to see other Warriors posting articles from that link - even to see people just reading them is awesome.

I'm really glad this topic was opened as well. It's so refreshing to talk about something with some meat, see it can be discussed with a full separation from banned topics..............and for those who like to think deeper than "what's your favorite........" it's a bit necessary to do some diving now and again.

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14 years ago

AGW (jeez, do you have a name? I don't want to type that whole username every time I address you, LOL)

The majority of people have always been stupid. It's been like that throughout history. Scientists are just a minority that want to know more. Most people gag at the thought of sitting in science classes. Those that "get into it" for the most part are interested all their lives, not just now and then.

For most of history, those who asked the wrong questions were just killed or jailed. The remainder never thought of it, and if they did, were too scared to say anything outloud. That's how it is now - say the wrong thing with conviction and lose your living. Why would someone choose poverty to teach something that would only be of interest to a few? Why would all the under-layer of truth be suppressed if there was a common understanding that the truth would actually even be accepted or understood by the majority to which it is revealed. Time shows what people think of others who reveal REAL information ...got your tinfoil handy?

You will always have a vast majority that can be easily led by the proscripts of the officialdom at the time. If it weren't so, we couldn't have societies. Truths have to come in very small doses and become generally accepted before more can be spoonfed without being spit out. There will always be a few that will want to know and will listen and learn to apply logic to what they hear. Speak to them and ignore the rest - they are insignificant.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Scientists are just a minority that want to know more. Most people gag at the thought of sitting in science classes. Those that "get into it" for the most part are interested all their lives, not just now and then.

For most of history, those who asked the wrong questions were just killed or jailed. The remainder never thought of it, and if they did, were too scared to say anything outloud. That's how it is now - say the wrong thing with conviction and lose your living. Why would someone choose poverty to teach something that would only be of interest to a few? Why would all the under-layer of truth be suppressed if there was a common understanding that the truth would actually even be accepted or understood by the majority to which it is revealed. Time shows what people think of others who reveal REAL information ...got your tinfoil handy?

You will always have a vast majority that can be easily led by the proscripts of the officialdom at the time. If it weren't so, we couldn't have societies. Truths have to come in very small doses and become generally accepted before more can be spoonfed without being spit out. There will always be a few that will want to know and will listen and learn to apply logic to what they hear. Speak to them and ignore the rest - they are insignificant.

I disagree with only TWO things said there! Scientists are NOT always ones that want to know more, etc.... It sounds nice, and some make a lot, soo there are MANY that just do it to get paid. 8-( And you don't need to have stupid lemmings to have a society.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Well, societies have always consisted of mostly stupid lemmings, Steve - so whether you NEED them to have a society or not.........you get them, plain and simple.

Do you think it showed cognitive acuity of the masses to sit and watch someone be devoured by lions for entertainment meant to deter the masses from non-prescribed thought in those societies? In our own present history people were mass murdered in societies in which millions supported the actions - brains? Um....whatever. Even when people can't be just plain led, they can be scared. When you consider shots are fired at some archaeological digs, how likely is it that the masses are going to hear truth? How forceful are they about their right to hear it? They are proving to be easily enough entertained for those at the top to not really have to worry about enough asking questions for things to change real fast.....not fast enough for them to lose their seating during their lifetimes anyway.

No - I can't prove that we NEED mass ignorance to form societies, but there is plenty of indication it has always been, and always will be, prevalent.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Well, societies have always consisted of mostly stupid lemmings, Steve - so whether you NEED them to have a society or not.........you get them, plain and simple.

I simply said you don't NEED them. Sadly, you usually have them. This thread covers some of that! I spoke of planet of the apes. By APES, I meant in a traditional sense. Humans are considered apes, but let's disregard that here. SOMEONE has to act like the apes in planet of the apes.

Originally Posted by HeySal

Do you think it showed cognitive acuity of the masses to sit and watch someone be devoured by lions for entertainment meant to deter the masses from non-prescribed thought in those societies? In our own present history people were mass murdered in societies in which millions supported the actions - brains? Um....whatever. Even when people can't be just plain led, they can be scared. When you consider shots are fired at some archaeological digs, how likely is it that the masses are going to hear truth? How forceful are they about their right to hear it? They are proving to be easily enough entertained for those at the top to not really have to worry about enough asking questions for things to change real fast.....not fast enough for them to lose their seating during their lifetimes anyway.

No - I can't prove that we NEED mass ignorance to form societies, but there is plenty of indication it has always been, and always will be, prevalent.

I WISH I could say otherwise, but that just proves that most humans are STUPID! HEY, most of societies ills are due to that.

As for the digs, People should look for more evidence. A jar with some dissimilar metals and MAYBE tar is intriguing, but does NOT necessarily indicate a battery. They will even take bones from various sites, and assemble tthem as a new dinosaur, or build missing pieces. That doesn't prove anything by itself.

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14 years ago

@Sal....

Without lemmings....leaders, greed and power could not exist. Now what would be the fun in that?

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HeySal

14 years ago

Those jars weren't just remedially enough like a battery to be confusing - they were built with obvious purposefulness. If you took the fact that there were like components of the jar all over the place and assumed from that that there may have been batteries, then it would be a real jump -- but the items which are being labeled didn't leave a lot of room for doubt, just for a lot of people not wanting that information to be seen as truthful.

As far as dinosaurs - when new bones are found and a likeness built of the whole beast from them, it's supposed to be viewed with a knowledge that this is what they can best figure the thing looked like. Take the Gorgon for instance. They had no clue whether the legs were splayed like an alligator's or held under them such as a dogs. You will find early drawings and models of each possibility. Recently, though, a whole skeleton was found and they found out for sure that the legs were positioned like a modern mammal's.

Sometimes we aren't being led......sometimes we just don't know for sure yet so we piece things together as well as possible. There wasn't any attempt to keep anything about the Gorgon quiet or under any specific strain of thought.........they just plain didn't know yet.

Incidentally - Mesopotamia is well known to have its beginnings well before the earlier thought of 5,000 years. Mines were found in the area that put metal mining back to around 10 or 11 thousand years ago........and that isn't suppressed knowledge. It's just recent enough to not be widespread. Europe is now getting a revamp of the length of human history there since findings in Eastern Europe. Civilization has existed there long before previously thought. That's just new enough info that it just hasn't reached masses, too, but it's not suppressed. In fact, I'm starting to think the way that time is being pushed back further and further on all continents we might just see a new run for being able to claim the oldest civilizations existed in our own countries (whichever you belong to). Then there might be falsification in the other direction as each tries to prove they are the seat of humanity. LOL.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Incidentally - Mesopotamia is well known to have its beginnings well before the earlier thought of 5,000 years. Mines were found in the area that put metal mining back to around 10 or 11 thousand years ago........and that isn't suppressed knowledge. It's just recent enough to not be widespread. Europe is now getting a revamp of the length of human history there since findings in Eastern Europe. Civilization has existed there long before previously thought. That's just new enough info that it just hasn't reached masses, too, but it's not suppressed. In fact, I'm starting to think the way that time is being pushed back further and further on all continents we might just see a new run for being able to claim the oldest civilizations existed in our own countries (whichever you belong to). Then there might be falsification in the other direction as each tries to prove they are the seat of humanity. LOL.

In an earlier post here, I mentioned 14,000 That wasn't just some random number I picked. That was the supposed age of the oldest modern person found. As I recall, it was a woman, and she was found in asia, as I recall, but she was CAUCASION! I say that not to brag, we may NEVER know who was TRULY first. WHO CARES ANYWAY!?!?!? But it blows the myth of the ONE woman in africa theory away!(WHO could believe such a thing when so many non blacks had 100% non black babies for so long, blacks had 100% black babies for so long, and things changed so little in over 1000 years, anyway) ALSO, she was dressed well, etc.... It showed more ability than I'm sure anyone would have figured for the time, and in an area away from where you would have expected to see such a person. YEAH, I KNOW, things were very different so long ago, etc... but STILL.

As for dinosaurs, some HAVE mixed and matched. If they can't find even ONE skeleton that clearly shows everything, they shouldn't try to reconstruct it. It is bad enough with things like THAT! In Africa, and sumaria, for example, they have changed things, like forced their heads to be pointed, increased the space between the rib cage and neck, and even placed saucers in or on the mouth and ears. I could see someone even claiming they were a new species, etc... And some people have had rickets or other disorders and been misidentified. Just trying to show how easy it is to make mistakes EVEN if you have all the pieces, etc...

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

The video is pretty long. Can you point out the "evidence" and where we have been lied to?

Originally Posted by James_Harkin

Have a watch of this:

YouTube - Setting History Free: Graham Hancock & David Wilcock

Very interesting & informative evidence regarding an advanced ancient civilisation that pre-dates ours. We have been significantly lied to about our history, why?

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James_Harkin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

The video is pretty long. Can you point out the "evidence" and where we have been lied to?

If you watch it you will understand. It needs to be watched in its entirety. 1.5hr video is nothing, I've watched an 8 hour Nassim Harramein documentary on Quantum Physics, in one sitting!

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

So you can't say what the evidence is after watching the video?

Well, here's a video that is one of nine videos from a bbc special about this subject where some scientists debunk Hancock. So which videos should I watch?

YouTube - Atlantis Reborn Again. 1 9.avi

Originally Posted by James_Harkin

If you watch it you will understand. It needs to be watched in its entirety. 1.5hr video is nothing, I've watched an 8 hour Nassim Harramein documentary on Quantum Physics, in one sitting!

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

So you can't say what the evidence is after watching the video?

Well, here's a video that is one of nine videos from a bbc special about this subject where some scientists debunk Hancock. So which videos should I watch?

YouTube - Atlantis Reborn Again. 1 9.avi

If you want to get the real line on it.......watch them both. Take notes on the discrepancies.......then do what I do and get on the phone and call a few archaeologists, a few technology physicists....a few geologists, and see what they say and then just go with what your most reliable sources agree with the strongest and with the best explanation for their opinions. Seriously. Not making a joke here.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Yeah, I could do that. Or someone could just list the "evidence". I mean, it doesn't take long to find some people calling Hancock a pseudohistorian. So I am then reluctant to take 1.5 hours to watch a video.

Originally Posted by HeySal

If you want to get the real line on it.......watch them both. Take notes on the discrepancies.......then do what I do and get on the phone and call a few archaeologists, a few technology physicists....a few geologists, and see what they say and then just go with what your most reliable sources agree with the strongest and with the best explanation for their opinions. Seriously. Not making a joke here.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yeah, I could do that. Or someone could just list the "evidence". I mean, it doesn't take long to find some people calling Hancock a pseudohistorian. So I am then reluctant to take 1.5 hours to watch a video.

At the end of the day theres no short cut to the truth, you have to do the research yourself. If you watch the video and have any questions and want to know what I think of certain aspects of the evidence presented and I will go out of my way to give an answer from the heart.

The same deal when I do joint ventures, if I give people some research to look at and then have questions I will go out of my way to help them. If I give them the information to research and they don't look at it and just ask me to give them a synopsis, that joint venture stalls.

I hope you understand where I am coming from and see my point of view.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

The video is pretty long. Can you point out the "evidence" and where we have been lied to?

Don't know about that particular video Tim - but a lot of the "lying" in archaeology is based on calling dating methods false. There is a machine that will deduce exact age, though, and there won't be room for them to lie about that kind of thing much longer. Finding available public proof is pretty hard when the publicizing will jeopardize people's lives. One of the guys on the Wyoming expedition told me that when officials refuse to validate dating, the artifacts, if precious metal are just melted down or sold to private collectors. As new technology becomes available to more than just the officials, though, it's going to get harder for them to refute actual and truthful claims of age.

On my newsletter you will find a discussion of the findings in the Grand Canyon. I had 2 archaeologists and one treasure hunter with an archaeologist and some very advanced equipment back that story up. Also I have links to the newspaper articles (there were two), and a map of the Grand Canyon that was made by someone who followed the trail of that Archaeologist according to his diary. They point out where the pyramid can be seen and where the caves are....not allowed public access, so there's no telling what is or isn't in them.

As far as the DNA tracking -- I don't understand enough about that to even argue it. There is no mistaking the age of some artifacts though. When something is pulled up out from under a layer of lava and the date of that eruption is know, even in approximation, there is no way to honestly disclaim the age of that artifact, and that has happened all over the world......until recently when they found such artifacts on Crete. There is no way humans could have gotten to Crete in the time frame of those artifacts, which came from a volcanic layer....without maritime skills. Period. The only other thing they can do about that is deny the artifacts were found and it got too much publicity to be able to master that one now.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Don't know about that particular video Tim - but a lot of the "lying" in archaeology is based on calling dating methods false. There is a machine that will deduce exact age, though, and there won't be room for them to lie about that kind of thing much longer.

I don't know. Frankly, I have heard of different times given for the same artifact and, as time goes on, we have no reference to compare against so we can't account for various things. AND, there are things like the shroud of turin. One agency tried dating part of it and found they dated a REPAIRED piece. Of tcourse the SAME works oin reverse where a forger may use paper from a VERY old book.

As far as the DNA tracking -- I don't understand enough about that to even argue it. There is no mistaking the age of some artifacts though. When something is pulled up out from under a layer of lava and the date of that eruption is know, even in approximation, there is no way to honestly disclaim the age of that artifact, and that has happened all over the world......until recently when they found such artifacts on Crete. There is no way humans could have gotten to Crete in the time frame of those artifacts, which came from a volcanic layer....without maritime skills. Period. The only other thing they can do about that is deny the artifacts were found and it got too much publicity to be able to master that one now.

HOW can you determine that? There is the old idea of continent shift and walking, and you might doubt there are people living on the hawaiian islands, etc! Obviously, there ARE people there. And WOW, there are volcanos also. It is amazing what can happen sometimes.

As for DNA tracking, they track the mitochondrial DNA to the mother, so OBVIOUSLY it CHANGES! And mutations are, by their nature, generally unpredictable. Given that, I don't see how they could track it back thousands of years.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Steve - 14,000 years, LMAO - there are human ruins and artifacts dating to in the 100 - 200,000 year range. 14,000 is about the date they are tying to metal smelting right now. 14,000 years isn't even close to a first human so I don't know what that spiel was all about. That sounds like old science talking. "Eve" archaeolocially was from several hundred thousand years ago, when you say 14,000 - that's the ice age.

If humans did first appear in Africa, they would have been black because of natural elements........white skin developed as Humans moved North. White skin absorbs and metabolizes Vitamin D easier and was needed for Northern climates.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Steve - 14,000 years, LMAO - there are human ruins and artifacts dating to in the 100 - 200,000 year range. 14,000 is about the date they are tying to metal smelting right now. 14,000 years isn't even close to a first human so I don't know what that spiel was all about. That sounds like old science talking. "Eve" archaeolocially was from several hundred thousand years ago, when you say 14,000 - that's the ice age.

If humans did first appear in Africa, they would have been black because of natural elements........white skin developed as Humans moved North. White skin absorbs and metabolizes Vitamin D easier and was needed for Northern climates.

By human, I meant modern man, etc... I still remember a magazine, I believe it was time, claiming 5000. And YEAH, she WAS found in ice. THAT was why she was so well preserved. Whatever, so what is the oldest modern human they found? I triedd looking it up, and one CLAIMS to be 160,000 years old, but it is SO piecemeal that how could anyone really say? I wasn't even talking about a skeleton. They could even tell you the color of her red hair!

Your theory about skin color and mutation sounds logical, until you realize that the whites that went to africa didn;t start turning black, and blacks that moved out didn't become white. And skin color isn't the only difference either.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Applied electronics took a huge leap just about the time of the Roswell incident.

Nah, just couldn't be.

Well, electronics started around 1906, the roswell incident happened 1947, and the first transistor was created around 1950.

EVEN if they COULD reverse engineer a transistor, without understanding it, it would be difficult and probably not lead to the understanding they had. ALSO, they had crystal radios right around 1900. The jump from that crystal to a transistor, ESPECIALLY given the understanding of tubes, is not that big a leap.

So, though one might figure the roswell incident would be a good trigger, and it MAYBE could have been, occam's razor seems to apply here! NOPE, there was a smooth and logical, and relatively GRADUAL, transition WITHOUT the roswell incident!

ALSO, the first transistor was a MESS! It took them YEARS to fabricate a good IC, etc... And the initial yield and scale were relatively low.

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HeySal

14 years ago

I AM talking about modern humans, Steve -- modern humans were breeding with Neanderthals way before 14,000 years ago -- and I'm sure Time magazine isn't going to refute the Smithsonian, although I do believe in light of all the current discoveries in places in which the Smithsonian has no control of information dissemination that they even have let up on that harp. I don't get my archaeology from News, I get it from Archaeologists. Anthropologists are the ones who talk about the skin color acclimation.

If they find over time that we hail from the North and went south, it would be the same news reversed - skin, in that case, would have turned black because of the large exposure to sunlight which white skin would have been sensitive to. However, from tracing DNA back, it doesn't look like that is going to be the case.

The ruins in Africa are not those of "near" human species, they are ruins of humans - and they are possibly 200,000 years old. Out in the Middle East somewhere there is a road that is 100,000 years old............but as soon as that was publicized it disappeared. Was it a hoax or just something they don't want us to know?

And NO white humans don't exactly turn black if they go South -- however, we do tan deeply when exposed to extreme amounts of sun. If I were in the sun 8 hours a day, you wouldn't be able to tell what the hell race or nationality I am -- I look a bit Indian when tanned to a deep brown, actually.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I AM talking about modern humans, Steve -- modern humans were breeding with Neanderthals way before 14,000 years ago -- and I'm sure Time magazine isn't going to refute the Smithsonian, although I do believe in light of all the current discoveries in places in which the Smithsonian has no control of information dissemination that they even have let up on that harp. I don't get my archeology from News, I get it from Archaeologists. Anthropologists are the ones who talk about the skin color acclimation.

If they find over time that we hail from the North and went south, it would be the same news reversed - skin, in that case, would have turned black because of the large exposure to sunlight which white skin would have been sensitive to. However, from tracing DNA back, it doesn't look like that is going to be the case.

The ruins in Africa are not those of "near" human species, they are ruins of humans - and they are possibly 200,000 years old. Out in the Middle East somewhere there is a road that is 100,000 years old............but as soon as that was publicized it disappeared. Was it a hoax or just something they don't want us to know?

And NO white humans don't exactly turn black if they go South -- however, we do tan deeply when exposed to extreme amounts of sun. If I were in the sun 8 hours a day, you wouldn't be able to tell what the hell race or nationality I am -- I look a bit Indian when tanned to a deep brown, actually.

I wasn't saying time was authoritative, just explaining. Skin color is only used to kind of group races, etc.... It's quick. But if you look at the basic descriptions, it is only one of SEVERAL! Of course, NOW more whites have taken black characteristics, etc... but that is because interracial marriages are so much more common. And tanning isn't permanent and it doesn't make your eye/haircolor darker, or widen the nose. ALSO, the texture of the hair doesn't change. AND there are some blood types that are found only in blacks or asians. GRANTED, AB(A,B,AB,O) is FAR more common, but they aren't the only ones.

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As for Tim's question, the only thing I saw that BORDERS on proof is how they said a sunken city was apparently found near CUBA and they were supposedly going to release the info and DIDN'T. When the guy reported this once, he said a woman that said she was from Guantanamo said that one of the guys said they were looking for technology to reverse engineer because, supposedly, some was remarkable. He mentioned about lights that were still lit.(UNDER WATER all that time). I don't know if the implication was that they cheated Cuba to get info, or Cuba heard about this and threw them out, or what. Anyway, one COULD argue that, since no names were mentioned, etc... that it wasn't proof.

There WERE things like the sphinx that had a smaller head of newer rock(not weathered by water), and they believe it is Leo(a lion), and some pheroah carved the head into a pheroahs head. They spoke of the cycles, and how it relates to 2012, and the flood, etc... Of course, whether you believe the Bible or not, it is OBVIOUS that even some areas that are now VERY high and dry were covered with water. THOSE things weren't actually related to lies from authorities though.

There was also the info about how NASA tinkered with pictures on Mars to make them look more natural. But that might not be looked at as a LIE either.

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HeySal

14 years ago

HOW can you determine that? There is the old idea of continent shift and walking, and you might doubt there are people living on the hawaiian islands, etc! Obviously, there ARE people there. And WOW, there are volcanos also. It is amazing what can happen sometimes.

Steve - are you arguing just to argue about something or are you just confused?
Continental shift has nothing to do with it. They can tell how long something has been an island. When something has been an island for several million years - if people were already there before it became an ISLAND - then we have a whole new question about the origins of humans, don't we? If not, considering the distance it was to any land masses - it's too far to swim so it means maritime ability. It's not the only place in the world that they've seen this either - but because of the reasons I just stated, they know for a fact they are looking at maritime travel.....although probably not your modern form of luxury cruiser.

YES you do get both people and volcanoes around on some places - and the volcanoes go boom and bury those settlements - if they are dug up later they can judge with some real logical intensity that if the damned stuff was UNDER the lava flow, that it was there ALREADY when the lava covered it. Gee, go figure.

Dating has come a whole long way in the last decade alone. Some dating discrepancies are just now being resolved thanks to modern technology. Some was never much of a question..........like in instances that they know the date of a volcanic eruption and find stuff just under that layer of lava - then there is no question of the most recent date possibility of that stuff.
Other stuff has had discrepancies in dates because the "authorities" refused to date it as what the experts give for the date. And that's part of the problem that we were talking about in the first place about real science being suppressed.

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14 years ago

Well, there obviously WAS one original source of information, at least for most of europe and some other areas, at some point. Apparently, A LOT of asia ALSO has a common source. Most linguists link part of asia with much of europe. SO, to say they have no single source is kind of DUMB. AND, if atlantis were the original source, we wouldn't know. atlantis sunk, and the other countries evolved in different ways.

HECK, Arabic and sanskrit look NOTHING alike, but there are odd things in the grammar that are IDENTICAL and some words are VERY close! ALSO, arabic is similar to hebrew, though again, DIFFERENT writing system. URDU and arabic have the SAME writing system, but much of urdu comes from sanskrit. AGAIN, sanskrit and arabic are similar.

Of course, the world USED to be a lot smaller, and there are stories about fewer tribes

In europe, most languages use the latin script, and originally used cuneiform. And there ARE similarities.

As for pyramids, they ARE the simplest structure to build tall. As you go up, there is less and less weight to support, and problems become less significant. Heck, later they had domes which made it easy to build large stone buildings with big roofs. The roof can't collapse unless the walls are forced out so strong walls build a strong roof. WE build square structures mostly because they are easy with wood, and pitched roofs work ALMOST like the domes, except often a support just below the roof keeps it from collapsing, just like the walls on a domed structure. And YEAH, the pitch gets rid of things like dirt and water, but it also allows them to be larger, etc. HECK, the next time you're in a large airrport, take a look at the roof. It is astounding what they do to distribute the load without having lots of posts.

So it may just be a logical evolution. based on building materials, etc...

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HeySal

14 years ago

I didn't watch either of them. If he's going against the "official" view, it's going to be hard to tell whether he's off base or just saying something that the guys at the top don't want people to know. That's why suppression of information is so damned damaging - you can't tell which way the truth is coming from.

I guess I'll watch it now and see if I can add any input without having to call half the scientific world to figure it out. I'm kinda at my quota for that at the moment with my own newsletters. I've had enough discussions though that something might be going on that I've already heard something about.

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roddyfonline 13 years ago

remember they choose to hide alot of the truth..and greed rule supreme
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bravo75

13 years ago

Graham Hancock is certainly not "off base". If anything, he is very "on base".

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I didn't watch either of them. If he's going against the "official" view, it's going to be hard to tell whether he's off base or just saying something that the guys at the top don't want people to know. That's why suppression of information is so damned damaging - you can't tell which way the truth is coming from.

I guess I'll watch it now and see if I can add any input without having to call half the scientific world to figure it out. I'm kinda at my quota for that at the moment with my own newsletters. I've had enough discussions though that something might be going on that I've already heard something about.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

I think we don't give enough credit to how smart our ancestors were, only have to look at some of the ancient hieroglyphics to see that they had system and concepts that had to have come from some other civilisation

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roddyfonline

13 years ago

Well one day the truth will come out......ill be prob dead though :-(

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