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GOP spends $150,000 on Palin's clothes in less than two months.

by TimPhelan
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Those Republicans can really give the Democrats a run for the money when it comes to spending. This is pretty excessive don't you think? Kind of goes against the image they like to present.

The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.

According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.

The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.

The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.

The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.

Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin's announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.

Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.
RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com
  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    What's wrong with that? A girls gotta have a nice wardrobe. And she wants to look nice for all those cameras.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    wow. That is incredible!
    What a waste of money!
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  • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
    Any moose hunting outfits?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      I suppose that ticket isn't too outrageous when figured beside the $63,000 of taxpayer money that Pelou$i spent for bouquets of flowers. Wouldn't it be great to live as large with our own money as they do with it? Sick of these *******s - give em uniforms at 75 bucks a pop like they want for our school kids. I would help the herds listen to what is being said instead of impressive they all look.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes this is too petty for words. Must not be any REAL issues.

    HOW MUCH DOES OBAMA SPEND ON ADVERTISING AND PUBLIC RELATIONS? SAME DIFFERENCE.

    That's fine though because it is from CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS and NOT TAXPAYERS LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER LEFTIST PLOTS AND SCHEMES.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      No reason to shout.

      Sure, this isn't as important as the real issues, but considering how Palin is already considered the "top concern" voters have when considering McCain, ahead of even Bush, then it can be relevant. Remember all the grief Kerry got for windsurfing in 2004? Or the $400 haircuts that Edwards got?
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    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Yes this is too petty for words. Must not be any REAL issues.

      HOW MUCH DOES OBAMA SPEND ON ADVERTISING AND PUBLIC RELATIONS? SAME DIFFERENCE.

      That's fine though because it is from CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS and NOT TAXPAYERS LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER LEFTIST PLOTS AND SCHEMES.
      I agree that what Palin has spent on her wardrobe is a non issue. But, how is it the same as either of the candidates advertising budget?

      This is not a sarcastic response. I really would like to understand where you are coming from with this statement.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    I guess that's no worse than Obama spending 400,000+ on food!
    http://209.183.235.3/pres08/expend.p...638&cycle=2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      I guess that's no worse than Obama spending 400,000+ on food!
      http://209.183.235.3/pres08/expend.p...638&cycle=2008
      Your link doesn't work...But if this is about Michelle Obama and the Waldorf, the NY Post has printed a retraction, because it never happened...Could this be the reason the link doesn't work?

      I'm not too concerned about Palin's clothing budget...What concerns me is that for the 4th time since July 31, she can't answer correctly what the duties of the VP are, and thinks she has much more power than the Constitution allows the VP.

      Is it too much to ask that she actually reads the Constitution? I'll help her out. According to our constitution, the VP has two, and only two, duties:

      1. In case of a tie vote in the senate, cast the deciding vote.

      2. Take over for the president if the president can't perform his/her duties due to health, injury, death, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Your link doesn't work...But if this is about Michelle Obama and the Waldorf, the NY Post has printed a retraction, because it never happened...Could this be the reason the link doesn't work?
        No that isn't what it is about. I' ve never even heard anything about Michelle Obama and the Waldorf until you just brought it up.

        The reason the link didn't work is because the server is so busy with people wanting to see this report on the Barak H. Obama's campaign spends all of its money.

        The fact is, both campaigns spend a whole bunch of money on stuff that is unneeded. To try to make it out like it is a Republican problem only, is laughable.
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    Yawn....zzzzzz....
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      Yawn....zzzzzz....
      haha. Yeh, it's turned into a boring last few weeks, since the Republicans self destructed. McCain has run the most inept campaign I have even seen Barry. What do you think? If someone can't run a campaign, then how are they ever going to run a country?
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        haha. Yeh, it's turned into a boring last few weeks, since the Republicans self destructed. McCain has run the most inept campaign I have even seen Barry. What do you think? If someone can't run a campaign, then how are they ever going to run a country?
        Well, I'd have to disagree with the "inept campaign" conclusion you've come to, so it is hard to reply to the rest of your post. McCain asking Palin to be on the ticket was a brilliant move. Actually, I would rather she were at the top of the ticket!

        The AP poll today has them within 1 point of each other, so I'm not sure the campaign is quite as inept as you think. And considering at the beginning of this campaign how all the Obama fans, the media, etc... said Obama would blow McCain out of the water from day one, you've got to wonder why that isn't happening? Why isn't he 20-30 points ahead if he is the modern day Messiah so many of you proclaim him to be?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          Why isn't he 20-30 points ahead if he is the modern day Messiah so many of you proclaim him to be?
          Because republicans wouldn't vote for God himself if he came to earth and ran as a democrat.

          Conservatives and liberals just have different moral compasses entirely, it's not just a political opinion.

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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
            Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

            Because republicans wouldn't vote for God himself if he came to earth and ran as a democrat.
            But that will never be a problem, because God would never allow Himself to be used in such an immoral manner.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          The AP poll today has them within 1 point of each other, so I'm not sure the campaign is quite as inept as you think. And considering at the beginning of this campaign how all the Obama fans, the media, etc... said Obama would blow McCain out of the water from day one, you've got to wonder why that isn't happening? Why isn't he 20-30 points ahead if he is the modern day Messiah so many of you proclaim him to be?
          I suggest you take a look at all the polls:
          2008 General Election National Poll Results by Pollster: Zogby, Gallup, American Research Group

          Even Fox "News" has Obama leading.

          But even these polls are what really matters, it's the state by state electoral college that matters, and McCain is in even bigger trouble in those polls.

          The real big swing has been with independants. A month ago, McCain was up by about 10-15 with the indies, now Obama has taken a 12 point lead. That's a net gain of about 25% independant voters in the past month swinging Obama's way. That's a huge trend.

          A lot can happen in two weeks, and polls have be wrong before...But with Obama having 4X the ad budget of McCain, and McCain pulling ads in two more swing states yesterday, I'd be very concerned if I supported McCain.

          Then, you need to consider that a higher percentage of early voting than ever, this means that a lot of votes have already been cast and nothing that happens in the next two weeks will change these early ballots...And these early ballots have been overwhelmingly cast by Democrats. Doesnt' mean they are voting DEM, but I wouldn't bet against it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    The difference is McCain is using public financing, taxpayer money, while Obama raised the money he's spending himself from donations.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Actually Dan, this was from GOP campaign contributions, not taxpayers.

      However, even GOP Republicans are very upset over this. Conservative Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic said:

      Republicans, RNC donors and at least one RNC staff member have e-mailed me tonight to share their utter (and not-for-attribution) disgust at the expenditures. ... The heat for this story will come from Republicans who cannot understand how their party would do something this stupid ... particularly (and, it must be said, viewed retroactively) during the collapse of the financial system and the probable beginning of a recession.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      The difference is McCain is using public financing, taxpayer money, while Obama raised the money he's spending himself from donations.
      Obama's donations...from where?

      Foreign contributions have plauged Obama's campaign and his team has done very little to discourage it... not only are foreigners financing us, but now they seem to be buying our potential next President.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    Latest Poll links:

    AP presidential poll: All even in the homestretch

    IBDeditorials.com: IBD/TIPP Economic, Presidential Election, and Political Polls -- IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten

    "About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season."
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      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      Latest Poll links:

      AP presidential poll: All even in the homestretch

      IBDeditorials.com: IBD/TIPP Economic, Presidential Election, and Political Polls -- IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten

      "About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season."
      Unfortunately this is not a popular vote, and McCain can't win the electoral college even if he wins every single swing state.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        I'd be very concerned if I supported McCain.
        No, not that much of a concern here. My life will continue even under a socialist president like Obama, although I'll have a whole lot less money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          No, not that much of a concern here. My life will continue even under a socialist president like Obama, although I'll have a whole lot less money.
          First, learn the definition of "socialist". Then, understand in 2000, McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts, now calls this "socialism".

          Then, I backed up my post with facts and references, and you run and hide behind name calling. You posted two polls, which BTW, still have Obama leading, as proof. Yet I post a big list of all the major polls, and you dismiss this. Be consitent. I didn't cherry pick polls and if you want respect for your polls, give the same in return.

          Why really gets me about you right wingers is how you parrot the Republican talking points. No one said Obama was a socialist a few days ago, now every republican is saying the exact same thing. Talk about herd mentality. Plus, this was the same position McCain took in 2000. Look at the voting record for proof. McCain also voted for the bail-out.

          Just to prove the GOP doesn't have a platform other than name-calling, weren't you all calling Obama an elitist just a few weeks ago? By definition, elitists and socialists are polar opposites. I guess the GOP's really platform "throw enough against the wall and hope some of it sticks". Elitist. Socialist. What's next? I'll answer: President.
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Why really gets me about you right wingers is how you parrot the Republican talking points.
            Thank you for my laugh of the day. You've been spouting off the Obama talking points since I came to this part of the forum. I'm thinking maybe you secretly work for dailykos.

            The fact is, I don't even like McCain all that much and did not want him during the primaries. He is not nearly conservative enough for me. But compared to Obama, almost anyone would look good. Sarah Palin, on the other hand, would make a great President.

            As far as your polls go....if you would actually read my posts instead of reading them through your liberal lenses you would see that I clearly said I take ALL of them with a grain of salt, even ones where Obama only has a slight lead.

            Just to prove the GOP doesn't have a platform other than name-calling, weren't you all calling Obama an elitist just a few weeks ago? By definition, elitists and socialists are polar opposites. I guess the GOP's really platform "throw enough against the wall and hope some of it sticks". Elitist. Socialist.
            Kurt, you really need to learn some history. The LEADERS of socialist movements are all elitists.

            What's next? I'll answer: President.
            No, I couldn't muster up enough respect for him to do that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

              Thank you for my laugh of the day. You've been spouting off the Obama talking points since I came to this part of the forum. I'm thinking maybe you secretly work for dailykos.
              You're just angry because you can't take what you dish out. You post a link to a poll, and claim it is proof. Yet I post a link to a dozen national polls, then you dismiss polls.

              If they don't matter, why did you bring it up, wasting your time and mine?

              The fact is, I don't even like McCain all that much and did not want him during the primaries. He is not nearly conservative enough for me. But compared to Obama, almost anyone would look good. Sarah Palin, on the other hand, would make a great President.
              Sure she would, if you don't care about the constitution. But at least she can see Russia.

              As far as your polls go....if you would actually read my posts instead of reading them through your liberal lenses you would see that I clearly said I take ALL of them with a grain of salt, even ones where Obama only has a slight lead.
              Again, you posted a single poll, then added another from a business site (reallly imparitial). And again, you said you take them with a grain of salt, except the ones you posted above that you thought proved your point. If you truly believe your own BS, you wouldn't have posted links to polls. Be consistent. And the Fox poll you are claiming is "liberal"? Huh?


              Kurt, you really need to learn some history. The LEADERS of socialist movements are all elitists.
              You are factually incorrect.

              No, I couldn't muster up enough respect for him to do that.
              I'd say that's more a comment about your character than Obama's, and your disrespect for the opinions and votes of your fellow Americans. The fact is, if Obama wins the election, he is our president. Putting your head in the sand doesn't change this fact.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Barry - loaded slowly but some interesting info on that site!

            One thing caught my attention was the "media breakdown" for the main candidates: McCain 76 mil and Obama 187 mil Bigger difference than I thought it would be.

            Why really gets me about you right wingers is how you parrot the Republican talking points.
            Conservatives and liberals just have different moral compasses entirely, it's not just a political opinion.
            Both parties have been parroting talking points endlessly - and it's tiresome. I agree that there are basic differences usually in the conservative vs liberal compasses. The lines seem somewhat blurred this election year - maybe because the economic problems now outweigh some of the routine planks in both platforms. Voters who are "single issue" voters (environment, abortion, religion in schools, etc) don't seem as vocal this time around.

            However, this election is too important - and the country is in too much trouble - to quote talking points or to take rigid "I'm right - you are stupid" stances.

            We're all in a mess right now - and some previously important points of each parties philosophy need to take a back seat to rhetoric. Defending your chosen candidate does not require slamming the other guy.

            I would love to see both main candidates give a speech now before the election where they each talk about what THEY have as their goals and their solutions - with numbers - but all I hear from both sides is "what the other guy is doing that is wrong".

            I think many people are believing things about both candidates that are not true because of the negative ads and because both are focused on the dissing the other candidate's plans instead of getting specific about their own.

            Neither candidate is the devil - and neither is a God. No matter which person is elected, they can't fix the problems without cooperation from the other branches of government.

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            • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I would love to see both main candidates give a speech now before the election where they each talk about what THEY have as their goals and their solutions - with numbers - but all I hear from both sides is "what the other guy is doing that is wrong".
              Yes, that would be nice. I think the last debate is the closest either candidate has gotten to actually explaining their respective positions, but it was hardly enough.

              Even though I never liked Ross Perot, he did a very good job defining his plans for the country with his flip charts, etc... I would like to see something similar from both candidates, with actual facts, and not trumped up numbers, allegations, etc... In fact, they wouldn't even have to mention the other guy's positions, or mention the person at all. They could just tell us their plan, and leave it at that.

              Of course, none of that will ever happen in today's political environment.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Here's why Obama isn't ahead by 20 to 30 points:

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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Here's why Obama isn't ahead by 20 to 30 points
            I can only hope that's some kind of comedy sketch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    We'll just have to wait and see what happens. I don't really trust any of the polls. They have been so far off over the last years that I take them all with a grain of salt.

    If we were to go by the street I live on, McCain signs outnumber Obama signs 10 to 1. Of course, I'm sure I could drive across town and see the opposite.

    What blows my mind is how many of these polls are weighted with Democrats to Republicans by a large margin, but it still isn't showing that much of a lead by Obama. And when you think about how many more registered Democrats there are than Republicans, you'd think he'd be up by at least 30 points.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    C'mon Tim. Do you want us to take anything you say seriously now? Do you want me to post videos of Black Panthers for Obama and act like that is representative of his following too?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      C'mon Tim. Do you want us to take anything you say seriously now? Do you want me to post videos of Black Panthers for Obama and act like that is representative of his following too?
      Haha. Just having a little fun Barry.

      Hey, I know an ex black panther though and he is the nicest guy possible. Super smart, unlike these people who wouldn't vote for someone because of their name.

      Why do you think the McCain camp and Republicans keep saying Obama's middle name? It's to appeal to people just like the lovely lady in the video.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Haha. Just having a little fun Barry.
        That's fine. We could use a little levity!

        Why do you think the McCain camp and Republicans keep saying Obama's middle name? It's to appeal to people just like the lovely lady in the video.
        Yes, you are right. See, we agree on something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Here's the 4th time in 6 weeks Palin coudn't tell us what the responsibilities of the VP are, and tries to rewrite the constitution:


    You'd think she'd spend 5 minutes and learn what her job description is...
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Here's the 4th time in 6 weeks Palin coudn't tell us what the responsibilities of the VP are, and tries to rewrite the constitution:

      YouTube - Sarah Palin doesn't know what a Vice President (VP) does

      You'd think she'd spend 5 minutes and learn what her job description is...
      Go Sarah! Drill Baby Drill!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

        Go Sarah! Drill Baby Drill!
        I wonder when someone will tell her the vice president isn't part of the legislative branch, let alone leader of the Senate... her powers to "get in there" in the Senate are limited to casting a tie breaker vote...

        And what's your problem with elitists? The founders of the nation were elitists. We want elitists running the government. Joe Six Pack doesn't cut it when it comes to the gravity of the decisions they have to make for us all.

        Originally Posted by google:define elitist

        is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite -- a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes -- are those whose views on a matter are to be taken ...
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
          Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

          I wonder when someone will tell her the vice president isn't part of the legislative branch, let alone leader of the Senate... her powers to "get in there" in the Senate are limited to casting a tie breaker vote...
          I think Sarah Palin is a whole lot smarter and a lot more savvy than people are giving her credit for.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
            Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

            I think Sarah Palin is a whole lot smarter and a lot more savvy than people are giving her credit for.


            Just look at those SAT scores.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
    Palin just had a rally next door to my house yesterday at he Henderson Pavilian.
    I'm in a very nice neighborhood and I was surprised at some of the protesters that showed up and the attitude of some of the Palin supporters.
    I overheard a very disturbing converstaion about blacks not being ready to be president. I didn't notice anyone dissagreeing and there were a bunch of kids within earshot.
    The protesters were'nt Obama supporters either but some anarchist group of about 20 people that were protesting both McCain and Obama.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      McCain/Palin supporters ( one guy says if Obama wins Al Sharpton, Rev Wright and Jesse Jackson will be in his cabinet. haha ):


      Originally Posted by Emailrevealer View Post

      Palin just had a rally next door to my house yesterday at he Henderson Pavilian.
      I'm in a very nice neighborhood and I was surprised at some of the protesters that showed up and the attitude of some of the Palin supporters.
      I overheard a very disturbing converstaion about blacks not being ready to be president. I didn't notice anyone dissagreeing and there were a bunch of kids within earshot.
      The protesters were'nt Obama supporters either but some anarchist group of about 20 people that were protesting both McCain and Obama.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        McCain/Palin supporters ( one guy says if Obama wins Al Sharpton, Rev Wright and Jesse Jackson will be in his canbinet. haha ):
        I'm pretty sure Jackson lost his spot when he said someone should cut Barak's "you know whats" off.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          I'm pretty sure Jackson lost his spot when he said someone should cut Barak's "you know whats" off.
          Yep. Now Jackson would be someone who would want to go in a socialist direction. I don't feel Obama will do that. Restoring tax levels to the Clinton years isn't socialism. I expect him to pick some conservatives for his cabinet and honestly try to reach across the isle. If he wins. You're right, it isn't over.
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      • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        McCain/Palin supporters ( one guy says if Obama wins Al Sharpton, Rev Wright and Jesse Jackson will be in his cabinet. haha ):

        YouTube - More Hatred at a Palin Rally in Johnstown, PA
        That's pretty much what was being said yesterday but not shouting across the street just a lot of chatter.
        I heard socialist alot and communist and Huesein ..stuff like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    Dan,
    I don't know if that is a real report card or not, but even if it is, it is irrelevant. I was a complete stoner in high school and graduated with a 1.5 grade point average. I went onto college, grad school, and post grad and had just under a 4.0 at each level. I'm not saying that to brag, but to make the point that a person's high school grades really don't mean much at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    That video is disgusting. Do republicans think 49% of America supports terrorism?

    Do democrats yell such vile and filthy lies at republicans at their rallies?
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      Do democrats yell such vile and filthy lies at republicans at their rallies?
      Yes, and in fact, it is much worse. For "some reason" the press doesn't cover it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

        Yes, and in fact, it is much worse. For "some reason" the press doesn't cover it.
        Is there a website you follow that does cover it? I'd like to read.
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
          Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

          Is there a website you follow that does cover it? I'd like to read.
          Not really. I read Drudge and several other sites that tend to lean to the right. Just search YouTube and I'm sure you'll find plenty of evidence. There are nuts on both sides.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Tim -

            I have the feeling about both candidates that they will reach out to the other side - that alone is a bonus for them and us.
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            Well you forgot something, the make up artist and hair stylist

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      If you read the article, you will see that the DNC isn't spending money on anyone's clothes. By golly, they all buy them themselves. There's even a question about the legality of this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        If you read the article, you will see that the DNC isn't spending money on anyone's clothes.
        That's right, they're using their money to buy votes instead!
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          That's right, they're using their money to buy votes instead!
          You sound jealous. It's nice to see the Dems have more money for a change. :-)
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    :sigh:

    This is why most non-political forms don't allow political discussions... they're so draining...

    I should really learn my own lesson... watch the TED video... no liberal is going to change a conservative's mind, and no conservative is going to change a liberal's mind, because those viewpoints aren't really choices.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      :sigh:

      This is why most non-political forms don't allow political discussions... they're so draining...

      I should really learn my own lesson... watch the TED video... no liberal is going to change a conservative's mind, and no conservative is going to change a liberal's mind, because those viewpoints aren't really choices.
      too hostile too. It's a shame really you can't even comment on moose hunting or a plumber without someone assuming your political motives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    How can you compare that bimbo to Obama?

    ... compare Obama and McCain - they are on the same level.

    I understand that Palin can see Russian from her window, but you can't compare her to Obama.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      I understand that Palin can see Russian from her window, but you can't compare her to Obama.
      That's right, there is no comparison. Palin is smarter, more experienced, and MUCH better looking.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
        And if you want to see someone look foolish, check out the pie man. BTW, have you noticed when Obama thinks he is with people not on his level he drops his "g"s -- thinkin, goin, etc... It's really condescending.


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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          And if you want to see someone look foolish, check out the pie man. BTW, have you noticed when Obama thinks he is with people not on his level he drops his "g"s -- thinkin, goin, etc... It's really condescending.
          Wow. That's your example of looking foolish compared to that video of McCain? Obama tells a story and seems to connect with the audience. He didn't forget what he was talking about and then mess up for 15 seconds after the first slip. I mean, look at that McCain's tape again. This was a pretty bad gaffe. Not just a guy telling a story that maybe you don't think was funny. I didn't see anything condecending about Obama. He connects with people. Even O'Reilly liked him after his interview.

          Oh, McCain made another gaffe today. He said the C word. I c*nt say it here but be warned, the language coming out of McCain's mouth is offensive:

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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Wow. That's your example of looking foolish compared to that video of McCain? Obama tells a story and seems to connect with the audience. He didn't forget what he was talking about and then mess up for 15 seconds after the first slip. I mean, look at that McCain's tape again. This was a pretty bad gaffe. Not just a guy telling a story that maybe you don't think was funny. I didn't see anything condecending about Obama. He connects with people. Even O'Reilly liked him after his interview.

            Oh, McCain made another gaffe today. He said the C word. I c*nt say it here but be warned, the language coming out of McCain's mouth is offensive:

            YouTube - John McCain uses the "C-Word" (not Communism)
            Don't blame him. He was thinking of Palin while doing the speech.
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        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

        That's right, there is no comparison. Palin is smarter, more experienced, and MUCH better looking.
        Why do you think that Palin is smarter than Obama?

        Do you think that she is smarter than McCain?

        This is the same person that could not explain what the Bush doctrine was. Nor could she give an example of more than one Supreme Court case that she disagreed with.

        Now, I'm not a Palin basher. I think that she's getting a bad rap for many different things. But, to say that she is smarter than Obama is a bit much.

        Especially since she's only recently gained national popularity to even be compared to him.

        What are your thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

        That's right, there is no comparison. Palin is smarter, more experienced, and MUCH better looking.
        Smarter?

        "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

        "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

        "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

        "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

        "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

        ... This is pretty dumb in my book.

        Going on national TV and "saying you have experience in foreign politics because you can see Russia from your house" sounds smart to you?


        YouTube - Palin On Foreign Policy

        Ridiculous...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Sorry, BIG difference between Obama and McCain. Not the same level at all. McCain served in the military. McCain has already worked for America, which is more than I can say for Obama, nothing more than a Senator.

      But yes, we shouldn't be comparing Palin with Obama. He's running for President, she's not.

      But I gotta admit, she looks a lot better in a skirt than Obama would (or McCain, for that matter!)
      Sorry, I wasn't clear.

      By saying Obama and McCain are on the same level - I meant they are running for President.

      Obama is better than McCain, for some.
      McCain is better than Obama, for others.

      ... I guess we will see on November 4th, who is better
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Sorry, BIG difference between Obama and McCain. Not the same level at all.
      I agree. McCain is too old and may be in early stages of going senile. Look at this video below and just imagine Obama stumbling all over his words like this. Plus, this is not that uncommon anymore with McCain.

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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I agree. McCain is too old and in early stages of going senile. Look at this video below and just imagine Obama stumbling all over his words like this. Plus, this is not that uncommon anymore with McCain.

        YouTube - McCain has an Old Man Alzheimers Moment | He's Getting Worse
        LOL. This is what scares me the most... if McCain gets elected, then dies 3 days later (because his old heart cannot go through all the excitement) then the bimbo from Alaska will rub the USA?

        Wow, horrible...
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          By the way, regarding the AP poll. There seems to be a major flaw in it. Not that any poll is perfect, but apparently they have the evangelical percentage at 44% of likely voters! There's something wrong here because in 2004 the number was just 23%.

          New flawed AP poll claims McCain and Obama are tied. Will AP's pollster take Nate Silver's challenge?

          With such an outlier, one wonders why the brain trust at AP decided to move ahead releasing this poll. But, the AP brain trust loves McCain. It's not just Sidoti. Remember, AP's Washington bureau chief almost went to work for McCain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
          Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

          then the bimbo from Alaska will rub the USA?
          Define what you mean by "bimbo."

          No matter what, I don't think we have to worry about her rubbing the USA.

          And why do you care anyway? You're in Canada.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
            Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

            Define what you mean by "bimbo."

            No matter what, I don't think we have to worry about her rubbing the USA.

            And why do you care anyway? You're in Canada.
            Yea... all we need now is for Canadians to "show us the way." Before long we'll all be kissing the Queen's a** and bowing down to the French!

            Alex, before you start calling our politicians bimbos perhaps you should look in your own backyard... And I speak from direct experience. My family's roots come from Canada... I've dealt with the impact of the Canadian political system... I'm telling you, you have ENOURMOUS opportunity for people to insult on your side.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
              Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

              Yea... all we need now is for Canadians to "show us the way." Before long we'll all be kissing the Queen's a** and bowing down to the French!

              Alex, before you start calling our politicians bimbos perhaps you should look in your own backyard... And I speak from direct experience. My family's roots come from Canada... I've dealt with the impact of the Canadian political system... I'm telling you, you have ENOURMOUS opportunity for people to insult on your side.
              Oh, don't worry. I am not easy on Canadian politicians either.
              However, I haven't heard ONE Canadian politician being as dumb as Palin.

              I am not telling Americans how to run their country, but I do have the right to my own opinions and unfortunately Canada depends on the USA as much as USA depends on Canada - hence I am interested in the USA politics.

              Republicans have destroyed the USA. Ruined the economy, killed thousands of young American soldiers (for what? INVISIBLE weapons of mass destructions? I don't even want to get started on this one... since the story was changed so many times by the republican administration)... It's just hard to believe that an average American would want the similar administration once again.

              Palin is by far not the brightest kind... and thinking there is a possibility of her running the country (if McCain doesn't make it) simply scares me...
              Seeing Russia from your window is NOT A FOREIGN POLITICS experience.

              ...

              However, I am only 22, and I do not have any political education and my opinion is based on what I see and what I hear.

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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
                Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

                Oh, don't worry. I am not easy on Canadian politicians either.
                However, I haven't heard ONE Canadian politician being as dumb as Palin.

                I am not telling Americans how to run their country, but I do have the right to my own opinions and unfortunately Canada depends on the USA as much as USA depends on Canada - hence I am interested in the USA politics.

                Republicans have destroyed the USA. Ruined the economy, killed thousands of young American soldiers (for what? INVISIBLE weapons of mass destructions? I don't even want to get started on this one... since the story was changed so many times by the republican administration)... It's just hard to believe that an average American would want the similar administration once again.

                Palin is by far not the brightest kind... and thinking there is a possibility of her running the country (if McCain doesn't make it) simply scares me...
                Seeing Russia from your window is NOT A FOREIGN POLITICS experiment.

                ...

                However, I am only 22, and I do not have any political education and my opinion is based on what I see and what I hear.

                Alex
                Ok, I'll buy that. I may not agree with you on a few things, but you certainly have a right to your opinion.
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    Ooh McCain needs to be shot. Where's the firing squad
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  • Profile picture of the author NetVenturer
    I tried to make this sensible. For instance, I will grant $400 in clothing for a morning activities, $400 in clothing for afternoon activities and $400 in clothing for evening. Never wear the same item twice for 60 days. That's $72,000.

    Change it to $600 for each clothing change and it's only $108,000. What am I missing?
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      Originally Posted by NetVenturer View Post

      I tried to make this sensible. For instance, I will grant $400 in clothing for a morning activities, $400 in clothing for afternoon activities and $400 in clothing for evening. Never wear the same item twice for 60 days. That's $72,000.

      Change it to $600 for each clothing change and it's only $108,000. What am I missing?
      It wasn't just her. It's clothes for her, her kids, the husband and the daughters babydaddy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!

        Better than Marty The Moose I suppose.



        Anyway, fiscal conservatives make me smile. Now back to your regualrly scheduled political banter already in progress...
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          Originally Posted by Lance K View Post


          Anyway, fiscal conservatives make me smile. [/LEFT]
          Have you spotted any lately?
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Have you spotted any lately?
            Yes. Seems to be a dying breed though.
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          Originally Posted by Lance K View Post


          Fiscal conservatives make me smile....
          They make laugh! We just spotted a fiscal
          conservative in Beverly Hills the other day:
          Sharon Stone as her most conservative yet:



          "The Spotted Fiscal Conservative"
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post



      Re-Elect Dan Quayle!
      Even though I don't think that she should ever be in the position to be the presidential alternative.

      She sure is a sexy woman!
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    So what's the idea? Some permanently homeless woman who can't get a job because of mental problems and a drug addiction shows up at a homeless shelter, and gets handed a $8,000 dress from Neiman Marcus to keep warm? And that makes the donors whose money was spent on the clothes happier how?
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    Accessories, don't forget the accessories. They really add up.
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    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

    Those Republicans can really give the Democrats a run for the money when it comes to spending. This is pretty excessive don't you think? Kind of goes against the image they like to present.



    RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com
    My reply is "So What..."

    I'm not looking to start a tit-for-tat (this thread has already accomplished that), but I do have to wonder how much those "Greek Columns" cost at the DNC convention...

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