Biden guarantees generated crisis for Obama

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Biden is very vocal, that there will be a crisis to test Obama,
what crisis could it be.

what will obamas crisis be
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I am so tired of hearing that person being called "President". Could they maybe quit being so transparent and wait until after elections to call him president - and only if elected ("if", LOL- Do we yet have a guess who was chosen to be our new dictator? ) I'd love to see a third party wipe this socialist off the map and out of our hair.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'd love to see a third party wipe this socialist off the map and out of our hair.
      Yep, but most people are too programmed in the 'two party' system. They look at third party candidates as flippant choices, ergo-- not choices at all. They want a "serious" candidate...which means either RepubliCant or DemoCrap.

      Well, the registrar of voters in my area is predicting an 80-90% voter turnout. May it be a historic election for third party candidates.

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  • Profile picture of the author Money on the Side
    Biden is a moron and never knows when to shut up. As much as Palin is considered a detriment to the Republicans, Biden equals that for the Dems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    First:
    <<The Cuban Missile Crisis placed the US closer to nuclear war than at any other time in our history. It was literally 90 miles off our shores.

    Maybe not...When the USSR invaded Afghanastan in the late 70's, Carter has said he was an inch away from using nukes, as we couldn't allow for the USSR to continue on through to the Middle East (Iran/Iraq) and take control of all the oil reserves.

    Biden can say some strange things once in while, and this is one of them. However, he is also as experienced in foreign affairs as just about any one on this planet. He probably knows more foreign leaders on a first name basis than any American.

    In this case, he should have never said anything. On the other hand, as a poker player, I'm glad he's thinking of this. You can bet he's thought this out and will have a contigency plan in place.

    But the rest of your post is plan BS. It must be nice to accuse people of war and murder and not even have to back it up with facts, or even reveal your identity. If you can't put your own name on something, you don't have much of a spine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Biden can say some strange things once in while, and this is one of them. However, he is also as experienced in foreign affairs as just about any one on this planet. He probably knows more foreign leaders on a first name basis than any American.
      He can have a lot of experience, and it can be BAD experience. Just because Biden has been around a long time, doesn't mean he is good at what he does. I can't believe even the most die-hard liberals can be happy with this choice of VP. He is, and has always been, a complete embarrassment and laughingstock to our country. And yes, he probably does know a lot of foreign leaders on a first name basis, and I'm sure they are all laughing at him behind his back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

        He can have a lot of experience, and it can be BAD experience. Just because Biden has been around a long time, doesn't mean he is good at what he does. I can't believe even the most die-hard liberals can be happy with this choice of VP. He is, and has always been, a complete embarrassment and laughingstock to our country. And yes, he probably does know a lot of foreign leaders on a first name basis, and I'm sure they are all laughing at him behind his back.
        Yep, it can be bad experience, but that's an opinion. I prefer facts. At least the guy is thinking ahead, and that's a fact. But again, he shouldn't have said it. But he also said that Obama has a "spine of steel". Now, have some integrity and don't cherry pick.

        And I doubt any foreign leaders laugh louder at Biden than at Palin...But at least she can see Russia from Alaska. I will say that if Palin shoots someone in the face, he'll probably be dead, unlike Cheney.

        Now go back to your name calling....That's all you ever have. (Except when you cherrypick a poll, and then cry when other polls are added).

        What foreign policy do you disagree with? Actually getting Bin Laden?

        BTW, the World perfers Obama 4:1 over McCain. There's not a single country that wants McCain. Not one. Ally or enemy. I don't mind a president that will be cheered again where ever he goes in the World. I liked it when we were respected. Respect abroad. How's that for "foreign policy"?
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        • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          But he also said that Obama has a "spine of steel". Now, have some integrity and don't cherry pick.
          I wasn't cherry picking. I'm not the one who quoted him. Yes, he said Obama had a spine of steel. Does that make you feel better?

          Now go back to your name calling....That's all you ever have.
          When have I called anyone a name? You must be confusing me with someone else?

          BTW, the World perfers Obama 4:1 over McCain. There's not a single country that wants McCain. Not one. Ally or enemy.
          EXACTLY! That is another reason to vote for McCain. I don't want a leader that the rest of the world likes. The reason they like Obama is because they know that he embraces the same socialism that they do and that he will be a big pushover.

          What you seem to be missing is that many of us in this country (I would guess a majority) want a tough, conservative, President. I still think George Bush has done a pretty good job and has been a good President. I just wish he was much more conservative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      The rest of my post is plan bs? That's your opinon, which carries just as much weight as mine. Wait six months and we'll see.

      It's a shame some people are so easily mislead by our politicians.

      What's the matter, Kurt, don't like it when someone points out how your favorite VP candidate can screw up, big time? Boo-hoo, quit yer cryin'.

      Can't put my name on something and I don't have much of a spine? Look at your user name, ya dingbat!
      I have a reputatio here and people know my first and last name, Kurt Melvin. I risk my business and reputation with every post I make. On the other hand, you're a nobody who doesn't even have the guts to put your name on what you say.

      And yes, he screwed up. If you can read, I said so in my post. And he will again.

      But don't be confused with my comments and that they are related to Biden. It's every post and every point you make.

      You want freedom of speach? Well, it comes with responsibility. And you're not willing to be responsible for what you say. Therefor, I suggest a jellyfish as your avatar, until you grow a spine and take responsibility for your words.
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        I am sure that if Obama is elected that a "manufactured" crisis will appear. One that he will be credited with having saved us from.

        I'd like to see him or McCain save us from the current manufactured (or at least preventable) crisis we are in.

        Here's some interesting reading on Journalism but it also talks about the issue at hand.

        Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
        By Orson Scott Card

        Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.

        An open letter to the local daily paper -- almost every local daily paper in America:

        I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

        This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.

        It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

        What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

        The goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

        They end up worse off than before.

        This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

        Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

        Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

        I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."

        Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

        As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" ( ]Snipurl / Snurl / Snipr - Snippetty snip snip with your looong URLs! ): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."

        These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

        Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

        What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

        Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

        And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

        If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

        But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign -- because that campaign had sought his advice -- you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.

        You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

        If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

        If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

        There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension -- so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

        If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

        Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

        But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

        If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth -- even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

        Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means . That's how trust is earned.

        Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time -- and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

        Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter -- while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.

        So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?

        Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

        You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

        That's where you are right now.

        It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

        If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

        Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

        You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

        This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

        If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe -- and vote as if -- President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

        If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats -- including Barack Obama -- and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans -- then you are not journalists by any standard.

        You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

        This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro, North Carolina, and is used here by permission.

        Regards,

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          OMG - the closer we get to election day, the ruder people act toward each other. If you must be snide, arrogant, pompous and insulting to support your opinion, perhaps you have gone too deep into the partisan forest....and that seems to be happening on both sides here.

          Trading insults rather than ideas/opinions doesn't add to anyone's reputation, name or no name.

          Biden has a long rep for being a nice guy who doesn't know when to shut up and frequently opens mouth and inserts foot. That reputation was well earned over years in D.C. and that view comes from both sides of the aisle.

          He has made many gaffes along the campaign trail but they have not received much media attention. As a VP, might not matter - but if he became President his habit of speak first-think later could be a problem.

          That's my (let me say it for you: stupid, dumb, naive, uneducated) opinion.

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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Biden has a long rep for being a nice guy who doesn't know when to shut up and frequently opens mouth and inserts foot. That reputation was well earned over years in D.C. and that view comes from both sides of the aisle.
            Can you imagine what the press would have done with Palin if she had made the exact same remark about McCain?
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

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      The world prefers Obama over McCain 4:1? State your facts! Where do you get that figure? C'mon, Colorado High Country, show the URL. You're all about facts...
      I don't want to get involved in the debate, but this could be the site he's talking about:

      If the world could vote?
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    Lol, great site. Thanks.
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    Kurt,
    Some of these people won't accept the truth or a fact if you smack them over the head with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Senator Lieberman said the same thing as Biden a few months ago. It probably wasn't a good idea for Biden to bring up now though.

      By the way, I just love it when someone who has repeatedly proudly said that they were'nt going to vote says: "THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE! Whoever you vote for!". LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Please, I don't need any advice on thinking before voting from a non voter.
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      OK, I don't think you said that before. But still, if you're not voting for President, don't tell me how to. :-)
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