Revolutionary A/C on the horizon...

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Holy desiccant-enhanced evaporative air conditioner, Batman!

(From the don't-try-this-at-home dept)


The US National Renewable Energy Laboratory has announced
that it has developed a new method for air conditioning that reduces
energy use by 50-90%.

The DEVap system (Desiccant-Enhanced eVaporative air conditioner)
cools air using evaporative cooling, which is not new, but combines
the process with a liquid desiccant for pulling the water vapor out
of the cooled air stream.

The liquid desiccant, a very strong aqueous solution of lithium chloride
or calcium chloride (Kurt - do NOT drink it), is separated from the
air stream by a permeable hydrophobic membrane. The desiccants are,
compared to typical refrigerants like HCFCs, relatively benign on the
environment.

And if that isn't enough to get you excited...

DEVap helps the environment in many ways. DEVap uses 50 percent
to 90 percent less energy than top-of-the-line refrigeration-based air
conditioning.

Because DEVap uses salt solutions rather than refrigerants, there are
no harmful chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) or hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs)
to worry about. A pound of CFC or HCFC in refrigerant-based A/Cs
contributes as much to global warming as 2,000 pounds of carbon dioxide.

A typical residential size A/C has as much as 13 pounds of these refrigerants.
The release of this much refrigerant is equivalent to burning more than 1,300
gallons of gasoline, or driving over 60,000 miles in a 2010 Toyota Prius.

Traditional air conditioners use a lot of electricity to run the refrigeration cycle,
but DEVap replaces that refrigeration cycle with an absorption cycle that is
thermally activated. It can be powered by natural gas or solar energy and uses
very little electricity.

Here's the scoop, dawgs...

NREL: News Feature - Energy Saving A/C Conquers All Climates

Edit: Egregious, outrageous, and unlawful spelling errors corrected for our Peter.
  • Profile picture of the author peter_act
    For an unashamed spelling pedant such as I, how wnderful to see "desiccant" spelt correctly!

    Ken - I should add one of my pet hates to the grumpy old man thread - seeing "desiccated coconut" not spelt correctly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

      For an unashamed spelling pedant such as I, how wnderful to see "desiccant" spelt correctly!

      Ken - I should add one of my pet hates to the grumpy old man thread - seeing "desiccated coconut" not spelt correctly.
      Remind me that I should add one of my pet peeves, which is "perfectionists" that tell others they should be perfect, then use a word such as "wnderful" themselves, while ignoring the intent of the post which is a wnderful discovery.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Remind me that I should add one of my pet peeves, which is "perfectionists" that tell others they should be perfect, then use a word such as "wnderful" themselves, while ignoring the intent of the post which is a wnderful discovery.
        Kurt... ain't that just the funniest damn thing? lol

        Guy blows his big chance and looks like a foo. EZ, Pete... just poking fun. Trust me,
        I truly do not care.

        Anyway, Kurt... isn't that something cool? I bet it's on the market in less than 5 years.
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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

          Kurt... ain't that just the funniest damn thing? lol

          Guy blows his big chance and looks like a foo. EZ, Pete... just poking fun. Trust me,
          I truly do not care.

          Anyway, Kurt... isn't that something cool? I bet it's on the market in less than 5 years.
          Fully agree - mea culpa. I really should have checked my spelling.
          Please note most of my posts are intended to be humorous in nature, as was this one.

          Anyway profuse apologies for interrupting your interesting post - this technology sounds great as long as it comes about within the five years and is affordable.

          Cheers,
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          • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
            Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

            Fully agree - mea culpa. I really should have checked my spelling.
            Please note most of my posts are intended to be humorous in nature, as was this one.

            Anyway profuse apologies for interrupting your interesting post - this technology sounds great as long as it comes about within the five years and is affordable.

            Cheers,
            Peter...

            No problem... tongue 'n cheek. And I apologize for being excessive in my reply. First
            thing I read in the morning. It woke me up. lol

            It's cool.

            Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

      For an unashamed spelling pedant such as I, how wnderful to see "desiccant" spelt correctly!

      Ken - I should add one of my pet hates to the grumpy old man thread - seeing "desiccated coconut" not spelt correctly.
      Peter... get a life, dude.

      The next time I copy and paste something, at 3 AM because I'm too damn
      tired to care - and I wanna crash, I'll be a bit more careful about the spelling.
      So really, it was more of an editing issue.

      No lectures about copy and pasting, Peter, just in case that's yet another thing
      you get your panties all fetched-up about. However, if you do wish to lecture,
      then I can't stop you. We aim to please, Pete, and we want YOU to be happy.

      However, I do appreciate you stopping by and saying something intelligent..
      intelingent... ? ... intellijant? ... Peter.. oh Peter... can you give a fella a hand, pleeze?
      Nevermind, anyway... thanks for stopping by and contributing.

      So Peter... do you have any thoughts about the technology? Did you read the
      article? Do you know what air conditioning is? Just kidding, bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      For an unashamed spelling pedant
      You misspelled "wombat."
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Looks like a 21st century AC system!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    WOW. They did all that without an energy policy in effect? The guys are incredible.

    Says a few years - and they are making it more affordable (and smaller), so that's an indication it will at least be able to rival the current ones.

    What I don't get is if the elements used to do the cooling are non-toxic, why can't Kurt drink them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Proof of what bright minds can accomplish when they aren't dealing with legislation!

      Sounds like a big breakthrough - IF they can get manufacturers to bring it to market.

      I haven't used central air for four years now. The bills were getting so high that I decided to add a window a/c in my bedroom as I like the room cool but didn't like keeping the entire house that cool all night.

      Liked it so well I added another window unit in my third bedroom - which is my office. Theory was that could keep me cool in the daytime while I kept the rest of house bearable with the central air.

      After receiving a couple of greatly reduced electric bills - I added a third window unit in the great room and a powerful air moving fan (doesn't blow on you but circulates air impressively) in the hall.

      House is cooler than with the central air - my bills are 1/3 as much. I need to upgrade the central heat/air in this house but looking at the price tag I just stay with my little a/c system.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Seems like this 21st century innovation is the result of...

    The U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory...

    ... has invented a new air conditioning process with the potential of using 50 percent to 90 percent less energy than today's top-of-the-line units. It uses membranes, evaporative cooling and liquid desiccants in a way that has never been done before in the centuries-old science of removing heat from the air.

    Looks like legislation is responsible for this after all.

    The Department of Energy was formed after the oil crisis on August 4, 1977 in order to end the United States dependence on foreign oil by President Jimmy Carter's signing of

    legislation, ...

    ...The Department of Energy Organization Act of 1977.

    Wow!!

    I followed the link from Ken and look what I found.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...c-horizon.html

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Seems like this 21st century innovation is the result of...

      The U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory...

      ... has invented a new air conditioning process with the potential of using 50 percent to 90 percent less energy than today's top-of-the-line units. It uses membranes, evaporative cooling and liquid desiccants in a way that has never been done before in the centuries-old science of removing heat from the air.

      Looks like legislation is responsible for this after all.

      The Department of Energy was formed after the oil crisis on August 4, 1977 in order to end the United States dependence on foreign oil by President Jimmy Carter's signing of

      legislation, ...

      ...The Department of Energy Organization Act of 1977.

      Wow!!

      I followed the link from Ken and look what I found.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...c-horizon.html

      TL
      Kudos - your point this time. Looks like the Peanut King did us some good, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Looks like the Peanut King did us some good, eh?
        43 years, untold millions of dollars spent, and possibly one good thing as a result. Wow.

        On another note, if this is a federal agency, why is the result patented and not public domain? Why should companies have to pay to license the technology if our tax dollars paid for its development?
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          43 years, untold millions of dollars spent, and possibly one good thing as a result. Wow.

          On another note, if this is a federal agency, why is the result patented and not public domain? Why should companies have to pay to license the technology if our tax dollars paid for its development?



          Why should a private company(s) get this technology scott free???


          I say...


          Make them pay for it with licensing fees etc.

          If companies have to pay for rights for cell phones, drilling etc. why not this?

          Wouldn't that enable the tax payer to get a lot of bank for our bucks???

          I'll do you one better.

          Set some parameters on what a company can charge for the units etc. - if they want it.

          Find a way to make it dirt cheap while allowing the companies to make a decent profit.

          But that could be...

          TL
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Why should a private company(s) get this technology scott free???
            If those private companies and/or their owners have paid their taxes, they wouldn't be getting the technology "scott free". The money that created that technology was already removed from the private sector. And then you want to hit the private sector again in order to use the technology their money paid to develop?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              Why should a private company(s) get this technology scott free???


              I say...


              Make them pay for it with licensing fees etc.

              If companies have to pay for rights for cell phones, drilling etc. why not this?

              Wouldn't that enable the tax payer to get a lot of bank for our bucks???

              I'll do you one better.

              Set some parameters on what a company can charge for the units etc. - if they want it.

              Find a way to make it dirt cheap while allowing the companies to make a decent profit.

              But that could be...

              TL
              Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

              If those private companies and/or their owners have paid their taxes, they wouldn't be getting the technology "scott free". The money that created that technology was already removed from the private sector. And then you want to hit the private sector again in order to use the technology their money paid to develop?
              I agree with Dan. It should be "royalty free" for anything made and sold in N. America.

              We made an investment and it paid off, and we should all reap the benefits.

              I wish we'd spend (invest) more money on this type of thing instead of bailouts and bombs.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                I agree with Dan. It should be "royalty free" for anything made and sold in N. America.

                We made an investment and it paid off, and we should all reap the benefits.

                I wish we'd spend (invest) more money on this type of thing instead of bailouts and bombs.
                Kurt,

                I don't know why Mexico and Canada should get a break.

                Putting it in the public domain is a little much for me.

                Can we at least make some money off other people in other countries in some way off this thing??

                Seems like there's a lot of money to be made, and the treasury/we need it.

                TL
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  Can we at least make some money off other people in other countries in some way off this thing??
                  That'd be fine with me.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  Kurt,

                  I don't know why Mexico and Canada should get a break.

                  Putting it in the public domain is a little much for me.

                  Can we at least make some money off other people in other countries in some way off this thing??

                  Seems like there's a lot of money to be made, and the treasury/we need it.

                  TL
                  1. NAFTA. By keeping costs down, you will benefit the MAKERS of the products as well as all the buyers. Helping Mexico' economy helps reduce illegals to our country, and Mexico is the greatest buyer of US products. The more money they have, the more they buy from us.

                  2. I wasn't aware that US, Canada and Mexico were all the people in the World. There's still plenty of licensing opps left.

                  3. Money isn't the only way to benefit. Why would anyone want to put up finacial barriers to cleaning up our environment or reducing energy consumption? The true goal should be to encourage as many people to exploit the new tech as possible and we'll all benefit as a result.

                  4. The research was already paid for by tax payers. Why pay for it again?
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                  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    1. NAFTA. By keeping costs down, you will benefit the MAKERS of the products as well as all the buyers. Helping Mexico' economy helps reduce illegals to our country, and Mexico is the greatest buyer of US products. The more money they have, the more they buy from us.

                    2. I wasn't aware that US, Canada and Mexico were all the people in the World. There's still plenty of licensing opps left.

                    3. Money isn't the only way to benefit. Why would anyone want to put up finacial barriers to cleaning up our environment or reducing energy consumption? The true goal should be to encourage as many people to exploit the new tech as possible and we'll all benefit as a result.

                    4. The research was already paid for by tax payers. Why pay for it again?
                    I agree with most of this. But some of it is theoretical and ideal. Number one is out, in
                    my mind. Number three, I can think of some possibilities, but they don't bear to be
                    discussed here.

                    I don't agree with nafta, but just my opinion.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

                      I agree with most of this. But some of it is theoretical and ideal. Number one is out, in
                      my mind. Number three, I can think of some possibilities, but they don't bear to be
                      discussed here.

                      I don't agree with nafta, but just my opinion.
                      Ideal is not accepting that NAFTA exists. Whether I agree with it or not doesn't matter. However, as our neighbors, I don't want Mexico or Canada polluting either. Air quality doesn't know borders.
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    To anyone that's ever lived in the desert SW USA, this is huge news.

    If it can be applied to the AC in cars, even better. This could be a big help in getting electric cars in that part of the country. There's more than enough sunshine.
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