What percentage of people on here do you think are LYING?

I'd tell you, but you probably wouldn't believe me.

I usually find many of these bigshots on the WSO forum asking questions like "How long will it take me to make $150 a day with this WSO?" LOL!!!!
There are legit marketers and there are people who pretend that they're successful. Nobody will know for sure. But reputation is important. How else can you sell a book on How To Get Rich to a poor newb if you're not Rich yourself? You can't. That's why you have to at least create the illusion that you're Rich or nobody will buy your guide on How To Get Rich! :p

Only very few marketers are comming with some new innovative methods and the rest using the same old method and just rebranding. The recent launch of Profit Instruments is a good example....

Regards,
Manoj

Hi,

I think a large proportion of people on this forum are just spinning out lies.

A lot of people, especially in the WSO are praying on the newbie's. The more experienced business people are never going to touch products that boast " I made $5,000 in 5 days " ! So its the poor newbie's who get took in by boasts such as this one.

This is probably the bad thing about this forum. There are a lot of people who give out good sensible free advice and then there are even more people who are out to "con" people into buying there products.

Lets face it , if you had a method to make a lot of money in Internet marketing, would you want to share it with someone else !

So next time someone is tempted by the bold statements we see on this forum, just remember the statement above.

It's very easy - just challenge them to prove their claims.
Not many will take up the offer of showing how they make big money in a few days.

80% as a wild guess...

I must disagree.
Those who sell their ideas expect that approximately
90 percent will never take action.
OK, I could be off on the statistics but you get the general idea.

A wild guess is about 90%.

But people can only give you some strategies. But you have to figure out the real strategy yourself.

i dont think these are scam.

i think all the methods workd and you can get very nice money from it.

***HOWEVER***

the numbers are truely blow up in the sky. from my point of view all the product / money making techniques are being sold / shared when the person who invented it is tired of keep doing it and want to make money from salling his or hers ideas.

to tell you the true, i do share and sale seo techniques but those who works for me for years - always kept in secret

Part of the problem is that most of these "claims" are based on a very specific, non repeatable, set of cirumstances.

Factors such as the exact niche chosen, the exact domain name, the size of the author's existing list etc, the exact content of the articles written, are not repeatable by anyone else.

So, for example, I could tell you I made $572 last week selling my own product using forum posting and forum signatures, and tell you that you could do the same by writing a product and selling it through forums.

But - your product won't be the same as mine, you won't reply to the exact same threads, saying the exact same thing at the exact same time - etc.

Some methods don't make claims - like the 30 Day Challenge. But most seem to think they have to say "How I made $xxxxx in yyyy hours". I guess those sort of titles sell. It's a shame - but I guess they do.

As they say - caveat emptor.

In my short time being a part of the warriorforum, I have learned a couple of things....true they may not worry about competitions...cause most buy but very few will implement the strategies so they rule their competition out due to lack of "action". Other part is the outdated part. I disliked that I purchased a WSO without some due diligence which lead me to a article constructed in 2006 that lead me to the same product the "warrior" was selling but it was deep in the search no one knew and the warrior boasted over 200 sales at $47 bucks (you go figure). So, there are so many factors but unless you pick and choose wisely and implement your success story just becomes a part of the sellee! Yes, I still consider myself a "newbie" to alot of things but learning and researching daily.

I got a better question. How many newbies or otherwise continue to fall for outrageous claims time after time after time ... in fact, go after every outrageous claim they can find because they are telling them what they want to hear?

Here's a better question. How long does it take you to get it that making money online takes work and often there is no gain for quite some time until you get it right?

How many of you will continue to seek the elusive make thousands online in 2 days in your pajamas while you're eating a box of cheerios at the breakfast table crap ... even after being disappointed time and time again.

For those who will ... I've got some swamp land .... pm me.

MOST of the people selling secrets, statistics, businesses, health info, various services, and a couple other things, are LYING, to some degree. Since I have no way of quantifying how many are even doing so, I won't say a percentage. I suspect it is well over 50% though. Some lies are just careless, some are exageration, and some are just flat out BOLD FACED LIES. Luckily, I think the flat out lies are the minority here, maybe closer to 20%.

But HEY, want to see lies? Watch TV! There is a product sold now on TV, for example, that has a method, and woman speaker, that seems JUST like another product. THAT product CLAIMS that they would lose money if they were lying, though that isn't true AT ALL, and American Greed spoke of OTHER things that indicate they get even MORE than you would expect. For those that don't know, "American Greed" is a program that shows scams and thieves, and their rise and fall. News Headlines

You have to be PRETTY bad, and/or BLATENT, to make it to american greed.

Steve

I'd say the majority are pretending to be successful.

If you know your own stuff, you can usually tell who's trying to bluff because a lot of people talk rubbish. And you can see right through it.

Usually I find it's the ones which start, "In my opinion... "

Lying people are all over the world, here they are just "internet marketers wannabes".

Kay,

One of my favorite anecdotes was about a bum that walked around this one company. He was desheveled, slovenly, etc... yet he was roaming FREELY around this publically traded company? WHAT GIVES!?!?!? Well, at a time when companies had trucking problems, cash problems, and were going out of business, that guy owned the trucks, had $50,000,000 CASH in the bank, and the company was a going concern. Right now, the company's stock is worth 3.5billion. Who would have thought?

I heard of a couple of people that said they paid a guy $20 for a share of stock. They made it sound like they met on the street. Well, it never split or paid a dividend and, like the rest of the market, it isn't doing that well, but the $20 is now worth $118,200! YES, US dollars! And what of the people that invested in that little 5 and dime store that became WALMART!?!?!? HECK, before that, a guy that ran a table at a store came up with the idea for the 5 and dime, and got his boss to give him the start. I bet his boss got a kick out of it. YEAH RIGHT! So what happened with THAT guy? Woolworth's! What about the IBM salesman, that used to sell burpee seeds, and was due to get his commissions reversed, which represented a LOT of money! He decided to try to beat IBM at their own business in non hardware sales! HEY, ever hear of ROSS PEROT!?!?!? He created a company, EDS, sold it to GMAC, and then created another company called perot systems which he apparently sold to dell.

Conversely, you have people like WAMU, ENRON, MADOFF, and one guy I knew at an MLM meeting that ALWAYS seemed to be chipper and spoke like he was doing WELL! BTW that last guy never made a sale, and lost his home.

So HOW do you determine who is doing well?

Steve

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

Teach a man to create an artificial shortage of fish and he will eat steak.

*Jay Leno*

Don't know... but it's small. Most guides do teach you valid
methods that you could use to make good money online. Sure,
their salespage may be a little hyped up, most salespages
are that way (be it a weight loss MMO, forex salespage
etc...), but most of them are effective, if you take action that
is.

I think that any one here that starts selling products that do not give the value
that they say is in the product or service
they do not last long here as word of mouth will get to this person
That said a lot of good money making programs require hard work and when this
happens some people label it as a crappy product or scam
A lot of people are looking for the Push Button program they want to make a
lot of money and hardly do anything
Majority of programs I have bought here have helped me theres also a saying buyer beware check the product out first check with other members here who have purchased this product

If I see a sales letter promising thousands in hours or that you'll be rich in the next 20 days, I run like hell. Just like when you enter in a site with a virus and you got that big red warning "CAUTION!". I wish there would be an anti-scam software that works like an anti-virus.
When I see someone saying they perfected a technique or a strategy that made sells increase by 30 or 40% or that allowed to get more 1000 visitors a month to the website, usually it takes worth to look at.
Basically, from what promises money I run away. To what may help me to be better in some aspects of my business, I take a look and I've found very nice piece of content, even in several WSO.
I guess it's just good sense...
Jorge

If I were to take a stab at this, I would suggest that those who say things like, "I did this..." and "I made this..." are often telling most of the truth... The only lie in those words may be a matter of not telling the full story... What was perhaps not told is that "I made the money in one week... after banging my head on the wall for two years..."

If a poster is willing to take possession of his or her claims, stating that "I did this...", then you can almost expect the story to be true...

However, people who use language such as "People can do this..." or "You can do this..." are often the same people that are blowing smoke up your butt...

I have purchased many WSO's, some were very good and some were VERY bad. But I have to say it still comes down to one word ACTION. If you are willing to put in the hard work necessary to be successful online, you will succeed. To some success is an extra $150 per month to another it may be $15,000 a month, etc.

But remember this......if it was easy EVERYONE would be doing it.

Regards,

Steve

The problem is 3 fold
A sucker is born every minute.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
There is no get rich quick, Theres get poor quick.

Making money takes work. Info-marketing should only be done by people with real info, not regurgitating crap to the masses. I have no problem with someone selling real products that work like Matt Bacaks IMI or Frank Kern's list control. These products work if you apply them faithfully. However there is no such thing as push button, make money. It all takes effort, application and consistency. I can name a dozen CB products right now that are absolute CRAP and on the top20 sales list.
I'm lucky as I am privy to a few Gurus inner circles because of some of my associations. I can tell you who is BS and who isn't.

Very few Gurus visit here except occasionally. Most of them are busy making money. The rest of us are either learning new methods to apply or looking to get rich quick. When you get to true Guru cash monster status you too will stop coming here as you will be to busy.

Theres about a half dozen people on here we will see in 5 years at that position. I can only hope you remember us working folk when you get there

I think we can say with absolute certainty, based on real proof (quarterly/annual reports with government oversight to make sure the numbers aren't "Photoshopped") that the following techniques work and can make a hefty profit when done online (these are just big name examples there are thousands doing it):

Selling ebooks (see Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.)
Selling advertising (see Yahoo, Google, CNN, etc.)
Selling services (such as hosting, consulting/coaching, cloud computing, etc. see Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.)
Selling products - digital and otherwise - (see Microsoft, Apple, etc.)
Etc. Etc. Etc.

And having bought products and services from most of those listed and many others not listed I can safely say that they use all or some of the following marketing techiques:

Copywriting with hot words/headlines/action words, etc.
Providing compelling content - written and otherwise
SEO
Advertising on places like Google, Facebook
Email marketing
Mix of online and offline marketing such as sending something to your house, calling you on the phone to see why you didn't buy online, etc.

So the techniques work. I think the real questions are:

1. How many of these successful companies, big and small, have people lurking the Warrior Forum or waiting for the next guru email to get the next big thing/secret/can't live without tool vs. taking basic principles and working them and improving on them over time?

2. How much information do we have on our PC right now that we haven't used and if we applied it diligently it MAY work? The next time you read a sales letter bullet points ask yourself if you already have something similar that you haven't used already on your hard drive. If you've ever bought anything you probably do.

3. How many excuses do we have for why things aren't working such as we can't get ahead because we never know who's trying to scam us or this technique just can't be true? Not enough money? Not enough time? Too much TV to watch? Yes some of these companies started out with huge bankrolls and so they could buy whatever they needed. But for every one that complains that there isn't enough money like the big boys started with, there is a Michael Dell story where he started with something like $1000 out of his basement. Yes but he had good credit or he had this or that or the other and I don't. The main thing he had was a drive to succeed - and that goes for all successful (according to most definitions) people.

Successful people work hard, make good choices, stick to it, etc.

Finally ask yourself if you are more like Steve Jobs of Apple or more like this guy: The gambling man who co-founded Apple and left for $800 - CNN.com

He was afraid of all the schemes. Quit buying or worrying about "schemes" if you aren't already using what you've got.

Mark

Where I was raised it was taboo to talk about money. If you were talking privately about business matters, fine, but you never mentioned it in public. That has stuck with me very strongly and I do not trust people who talk about their earnings in public even though this is a business forum, it's still too public for me to be comfortable with that attitude. If my Mom was right though, people who HAVE money never talk about it -it's the people that want you to think they have a lot that are loud about it, and usually not exactly honest, either. That's the way I look at someone when they say they made XXXX amount - first it's "where's your class?" then I wonder what the hell they are telling us that for anyhow. Doesn't matter what someone makes on a program -- for every program out there there's some freakazoid or two that gets rich off it and a bunch that don't -- so why are they flapping their gums in public about it?

Just about 100% of people lie in some form or other. A friend of mine produced a documentary about lying. The conclusion of experts is that someone who never lies would be severely maladjusted and more than likely psychotic.