What percentage of people on here do you think are HONEST, HARD WORKING PEOPLE?

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Hi Warriors,

In a recent thread, somebody asked "What percentage of people on here do you think are LYING?". Talk about a loaded question!

I'm so fed up with people thinking 80%, 90%, 95% or 100% of the people here are being dishonest.

For one thing, if I EVER thought I was somewhere where 80%+ of the people were lying...I WOULD RUN FOR THE DOOR.

So, if so many people think we're crooks, then why do they stay here?

Anyway, let's reverse the tables and ask...

What percentage of Warriors do you think are honest, hard working people?

All the best,
Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    10% Maybe. I try to be an optimist.
    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I think that the vast majority of people are honest, hard-working people who just want to build a business. It's the vocal minority that is truly dishonest but as with everything in life, human nature tends to magnify the negative.

      I've also found that those complaining about lying marketers are the ones who failed to make the big money they thought they would in a short amount of time. Instead of taking responsibility, it is easier to blame the marketer and say they lied.

      Tina
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Michael, I honestly have no idea.

      Forget IM.

      I have lived through 52 years in the off line world and I have run into more
      than my fair share of shady characters.

      It's a big planet. There are good and bad people everywhere. What I try to
      do is focus on the good but at the same time realize that I have to be
      careful about who I deal with. Look, just recently a bunch of people who
      had it in for me got my Youtube account closed.

      The world is what it is.

      All we can do is make the best of it.
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

      10% Maybe. I try to be an optimist.
      Seriously?

      Then, no offense intended, why do you hang out here if you think 90% are lazy liars? Again, nothing personal.

      That's the other part of it I don't get. I'm really trying to wrap my head around why people would count themselves amongs a group of so many people they think are lying.

      Do you seriously think only 10% are honest, or only 10% are hard working, or 10% are BOTH honest AND hard working?

      It would also be interesting to see how many people think THEY are honest.

      Kind of like 87% of drivers believe they are above average, if you follow.

      That being said, I did ask.



      All the best,
      Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    {raises hand}
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    {gets back to work}
  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    Thanks a lot Lisa. What? I don't count anymore?

    Mike, I think most of us are hard working, honest people. I think the problem lies more in the mindset of others.

    Leslie
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I dont want to work hard, but I sure as hell want to be honest in what I do.
  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Can't you be honest, but not hard working? Or dishonest and hard working?
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Can't you be honest, but not hard working? Or dishonest and hard working?
      Thanks, Curtis, that's a good point.

      Let me change the question to...

      What percentage of Warriors do you think are honest, and/or hard working people?

      That's more of what I'm curious about.

      All the best,
      Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    No, the naive thing would be to say "90% of the people here are liars, but there's no way I'll fall prey to them".



    ~Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    How would we know?


    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      The few people who I trusted were scammers who resorted to pulling the farce of being successful but with the intention of making money any way possible even if it meant being dishonest with their earnings in order to build a trust with the customer. So far it's 0-4 from the folk I've been following. No names mentioned.
      I've also noticed that even the reputable folk who are releasing step by step guides on earning money actually try to cop-out with the whole "Think outside the box" or "Be creative" rather than actually explain the whole step by step process.
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Currently Active Users: 3804 (1264 members and 2540 guests)

    How could anyone possibly know unless you're really a social butterfly and get around a lot. With that many users, each of us actually know (or have read numerous posts by) a small handful of total users, so any percentages are just more made up percentages.

    Some are honest and some are not. It's that simple.
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Currently Active Users: 3804 (1264 members and 2540 guests)

      How could anyone possibly know unless you're really a social butterfly and get around a lot. With that many users, each of us actually know (or have read numerous posts by) a small handful of total users, so any percentages are just more made up percentages.

      Some are honest and some are not. It's that simple.
      Hi Suzanne,

      I think that's a fair statement.

      It's also why it bugs me when I see posts that claim "90% of peopleat the Warrior Forum are dishonest."

      It's not only a question of how could they know, but also one of why do they assume the worst? That's not being a realist, that's being cynical. Big difference.

      On the other hand, I don't know either, but to suggest somebody is naive for assuming the best is plain old wrong. The trick is to assume the best, WITH verification. You can trust somebody and do your due diligence at the same time.

      All the best,
      Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    One of the things I learned in Marine Corps boot camp (49 years ago this month) was there is always a 10%, who won't get it right, lie, steal, cheat and take advantage of anyone they can. But I also learned the other 90% are the ones who will be more than willing to go the extra mile with you or for you.

    I have seen more Warriors going the extra mile for other Warriors than I have seen of the 10% losers taking advantage.

    However, each one of us have to take responsibility for our own business and life decisions. Using a good healthy dose of common sense will keep you way ahead of the 10% loser bunch.

    Ken Leatherman

    The Old Geezer
    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      What I'm tired of is how things have gotten so backwards that it's not cool to be smart. I think that keeps WAY more progress from happening than ANYTHING else. If society put as much value into education as it put into sports, the STARS would be in our reach by now.

      We walked on the FREAKING MOON at one time in our human history. At one point THAT is what riveted the world's imagination. Now we have reality TV, which to quote Dana Gould - is "an amateur production about nothing".
      I wish more people thought like this. I'm far more alarmed by the mindset of catering to the lowest common denominator than I am on the honesty levels.

      I don't agree that most people are dishonest or even lazy, although I believe the lazy part of the population is growing tremendously. Are the majority perfect and completely 100% honest all the time? Nope. But I do believe the majority try to be. And I don't base my opinion on just this forum or the members here. This is still a very small population compared to the world at large or even the internet.

      Tina
  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I would say that I am pretty honest but not hard working. However, I do not sell anything here. If I did, I honestly could not guarantee that I will be 100% honest. I do not ecen consider myself to be an Internet Marketeer.

    In fact, I would think that the majority of warriors have not sold anything here. There is also a group including myself who have no interest in getting other warriors to their websites, blogs or mailing list hoping for a future sale. I would say that if you are just making money through Adsense, then you cannot be considered as an Internet Marketeer.

    Therefore although I don't think that your logic necessarily applies.

    Derek
    • Profile picture of the author jdenc
      As others have mentioned it's all about your personal perspective. We got one guy here who says he works 100+ hours a week. I am sure I would appear to be less than hardworking to him as I am simply not going to do that. In my personal experience that is not the way to go. At some point you hit the law of diminishing returns and a lot of that time spent is kind of useless. Plus the burnout potential would be huge for me. But then again since I am willing to actually work more than 40 hours I would appear hardworking to someone that isn't willing to put in more than 40.

      On the honesty thing I simply don't know. I haven't met anyone here in person so even people I have come to think of as trustworthy could be sandbagging me and how would I know? I won't til I give them money really. And I think assuming this crowd is representative of a cross section of society is wrong. We are a subset of a subset group of people. The deeper you go into subsets of groups the more likely you are to find a polarized population. So it's possible that by the time you boil down the mix to this subset you get more hucksters landing here. I think that's especially true when we look into the MMO micro niche. Does that mean everyone who does that is a liar or fraud? Absolutely not. Does it mean that there are likely more hucksters there than in say the Amazon affiliate micro niche? I wouldn't be surprised. Would you?

      As an example of my subset theory I sold cars at one time. One day a young couple walks in, newborn in tow, and they just need some decent transportation. They want to pay cash for a used car and for 1986 they had a decent amount to spend. So we had a female salesman who got them and talked them into a car that had a bonus attached for selling it on top of the normal commission. As she's driving it out oil is streaming out of the engine. So instead of telling the buyers what does the lot do? They have the lot guy go out and rinse away the oil. All the sales people see this and I seem to be the only one offended. The car breaks down, of course, about 2 blocks from the dealership. She tells them it's out of gas and gets the lot to go get it. They come back and she is getting them to sign for the car full well knowing the engine is complete swiss cheese. So when she goes back to "talk to the manager" I go over to the couple and tell them why the car really stopped and I advise them to leave now. They did and so did I, never to return. Now why did I tell that story? Because when we look at the overarching group sales we probably find mostly hardworking, relatively honest people. It's when we drill down into those subsets that we find where the hucksters end up in force. And IM is so full of different subsets it's hard to say really where that leaves us here.
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    I read somewhere it's like this:

    25% of people are dishonest all the time
    25% of people are honest all the time
    The other 50% will be dishonest if they think they can get away with it.....INTERNET?

    So based on this I'd say 75% of people here and on the Net are dishonest some of the time.... ????

    Like someone said before..when does hype = lies? Because we have all come across sales letters full of HYPE yet no one says "lies" What's the difference? Online?
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

    But do honest people act honest ALL THE TIME? Are you saying 100% honest 100% of the time?
    Are the people who say 99% of Warriors are liars saying they're 100% dishonest 100% of the time?

    Obviously not.

    There is problem here. If somebody claims to be honest, it's fairly common to find even the slightest hint of non-fact (read: opinion or ignorance) - THEN the cynics can say "SEE? I told you nobody was honest!"

    BUT...If somebody is pegged as a liar, it's RARE that others start looking for truth to prove the contrary. Instead, they say "SEE? I told you nobody was honest!"

    Are Warriors trying to be honest, or dishonest? Are they trying to scam people or not scam people? Are they concerned about their reputations, or not concerned about their reputations? And the list goes on...

    I believe, generally speaking, that Warriors are a pretty decent bunch, and when people say 80%+ are not, then, yes, I disagree.

    All the best,
    Michael
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Let me say this, and maybe this is a sad statement of fact, but it's truly
      how I feel.

      The number of people here at this forum who, if they PM'd me and asked
      me to do a JV with them, I actually trust to do one...I could count those
      people on one hand.

      That isn't to say that I think everybody else is a crook. It's just that I've
      seen so much (and sometimes from people I did trust) that I just don't
      assume the best anymore.

      If I feel that way, I can only imagine how many others feel the same way.

      And if that's the case, then it really is a sad commentary on the
      perception of honesty and ethics in the IM community.

      Michael...sorry, but you asked.
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Are the people who say 99% of Warriors are liars saying they're 100% dishonest 100% of the time?

      Are Warriors trying to be honest, or dishonest? Are they trying to scam people or not scam people? Are they concerned about their reputations, or not concerned about their reputations? And the list goes on...

      I believe, generally speaking, that Warriors are a pretty decent bunch, and when people say 80%+ are not, then, yes, I disagree.

      All the best,
      Michael

      The problem with narrowing it down to "Warriors" is that literally anyone on the Internet can be a "Warrior" and there are plenty here who are here to make a fast buck whether it be honestly or dishonestly.

      The Warrior Forum isn't some exclusive club where only honest people congregate to do business. The doors are open to all. I'd rather do business here than just about any other forum, particularly one like DP, but like Steven, there are few that I would trust ... just because they are a Warrior Forum member. I've had my share of questionable JV offers and I've had people from here buy a bunch of my $27 niche sites only to immediately file a Paypal dispute to get them all for free. I can't tell you how many times that has happened.

      There are tons of sites that sell people's WSO products and I suspect that they are members here and monitor the WSO and are serial refunders ... just to get the products to sell.

      The WSO forum, while in the beginning it meant a special offer to Warriors, often now means a way to make a fast buck on products that clearly were just launched to part people from their money rather than provide value to their customers.

      Internet Marketing as a whole, not just on the Warrior Forum has a very bad reputation. It didn't get that way without a reason. The FTC didn't find it necessary to crack down on Flogs, fake testimonials, fake reviews, false income claims without a reason. It wasn't just a government conspiracy. Lots of people have been scammed out of lots of money.

      Certainly, many of them aren't the brightest pennies in the pot to believe some of the claims I've seen, but it doesn't matter. The FTC aims to protect them anyway.

      That being said, there are probably more people on this forum that I respect than on most forums, but there are many people that I don't trust as far as I can throw them and thousands that I just don't even know at all ... they just lurk.
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    I do agree in that I've been on other forums where it's like stepping into a prison yard. I have no idea how many are dishonest at all......judging by many of the WSO's and services I have bought here I'd say 70%+ have been superb.....is that anything to go by?

    Man.....cheer me up.
  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    Great thread! Does it matter? HA! No.

    As long as people hear what they want to, everybody's happy.

    Lie to me, make me feel important, make me feel special...here, take my money.
  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Can you define what you mean by lie, if you are counting white lies, non harmful lies etc... We all lie, it's true, 100% of people on this forum would be deemed a liar. Now, if your talking about how many people deliberately set out to deceive then I would go with 5-10%. I would like to think 90% are honest or atleast non malicious but maybe I am being way to optimistic .
  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Michael the last 2 Threads i have read of yours lately have had a lot of percentages in them, Go figure.

    Colin; Were you one of Obamas speach writers? geez i feel like going out and Taking over the world after reading some of your posts ( Note to self: NEVER DEBATE WITH COLIN THERIOT)

    I want to believe most people are inherintly honest, Hard working ? no thats a smaller numbers as far as I am concerned
    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by nashelver View Post

      Colin; Were you one of Obamas speach writers? geez i feel like going out and Taking over the world after reading some of your posts ( Note to self: NEVER DEBATE WITH COLIN THERIOT)
      Lol, thanks. That made my day! No, I wasn't one of his speech writers, but if he's shopping around, I'm up for it (if he can afford me).

      As far as debating goes, I only get really into it if I think the visible discussion is going to contribute to the forum as a whole. I believe in the Socratic method of learning and I think debate is a powerful teaching too, but more importantly a LEARNING tool.

      One of the most damaging things I think has happened to modern "education" is that it's predominantly indoctrination, where the students must accept what's taught without question.

      Sadly, this is mostly because the teachers have no expertise besides teaching from a book and lesson plan, so they can't even reasonably discuss the topics they purport to teach.

      This is the real reason debate has fallen out of school, and I think it's to the great detriment of EVERYONE. I will argue with someone until they convince me I'm wrong or they give up. That's exercise for the brain just the same as you won't get physically fit until you feel the burn.

      I don't believe in "agree to disagree" until I feel I've adequately presented my own case. Because if I really think you're wrong, not saying so is a kind of dishonesty against the principles this forum is supposed to be about. At least, that's how I think about it.

      But I'm rambling again - people keep saying I'm awesome at debating. It's too bad I'm so apolitical.
    • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
      Colin; Were you one of Obamas speach writers? geez i feel like going out and Taking over the world after reading some of your posts ( Note to self: NEVER DEBATE WITH COLIN THERIOT)


      LOL.....I have had that exact thought MANY times!!!!! Colin, you are an amazing writer! Even if a thread is of no interest to me, I'll still read what you have to say about it!
  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Even if it were 99% of Warriors who fit the bill...it still isn't all that revelvant to IM success.

    Work hard for specific results...adjust. Now HARD work is subjective. Nothing to do with how many hours are put in.

    As a teaching golf professional I had a lot of hard working students who did not show improvement BECAUSE THEY repeated their mistakes...they practiced their WRONG way of doing it to perfection.

    Most Warriors are honest in my opinion.

    Most newbs come on with little to NO understanding of basic business knowledge and without any real world face to face sales skills. Having those makes the whole IM process much easier.

    Also, many Warriors over complicate the whole thing. I think this is one way the small minority of Cruds work, they complicate their offers and when a newb fails, it is because the newb couldn't follow directions...probably because it is just BS anyhow.

    I'll go 90% or higher.

    gjabiz
  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Majority is honest, hard working my friend....

    I read somewhere that there are very FEW bad people in this world..
    problem is they come and meet you again and again and it seems that
    they are everywhere which is not the case....
  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    - 75% honest
    - 20% hard-working
    - 20% focused

    Honest + hard-working: 15%

    Honest + hard-working + focused: 3%

    Remaining 97% likely to fail.

    Math seems sound on my end.
    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      - 75% honest
      - 20% hard-working
      - 20% focused

      Honest + hard-working: 15%

      Honest + hard-working + focused: 3%

      Remaining 97% likely to fail.

      Math seems sound on my end.
      You and your darn percentages!!!! Seems accurate though.
  • Profile picture of the author CianMcCarthy
    War Room Members lie less me thinks :-)

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