What percentage of people on here do you think are HONEST, HARD WORKING PEOPLE?

Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa by
Hi Warriors,

In a recent thread, somebody asked "What percentage of people on here do you think are LYING?". Talk about a loaded question!

I'm so fed up with people thinking 80%, 90%, 95% or 100% of the people here are being dishonest.

For one thing, if I EVER thought I was somewhere where 80%+ of the people were lying...I WOULD RUN FOR THE DOOR.

So, if so many people think we're crooks, then why do they stay here?

Anyway, let's reverse the tables and ask...

What percentage of Warriors do you think are honest, hard working people?

All the best,
Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    10% Maybe. I try to be an optimist.
  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    {raises hand}
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    {gets back to work}
  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    I think that the vast majority of people are honest, hard-working people who just want to build a business. It's the vocal minority that is truly dishonest but as with everything in life, human nature tends to magnify the negative.

    I've also found that those complaining about lying marketers are the ones who failed to make the big money they thought they would in a short amount of time. Instead of taking responsibility, it is easier to blame the marketer and say they lied.

    Tina
  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Michael, I honestly have no idea.

    Forget IM.

    I have lived through 52 years in the off line world and I have run into more
    than my fair share of shady characters.

    It's a big planet. There are good and bad people everywhere. What I try to
    do is focus on the good but at the same time realize that I have to be
    careful about who I deal with. Look, just recently a bunch of people who
    had it in for me got my Youtube account closed.

    The world is what it is.

    All we can do is make the best of it.
  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    Thanks a lot Lisa. What? I don't count anymore?

    Mike, I think most of us are hard working, honest people. I think the problem lies more in the mindset of others.

    Leslie
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

    10% Maybe. I try to be an optimist.
    Seriously?

    Then, no offense intended, why do you hang out here if you think 90% are lazy liars? Again, nothing personal.

    That's the other part of it I don't get. I'm really trying to wrap my head around why people would count themselves amongs a group of so many people they think are lying.

    Do you seriously think only 10% are honest, or only 10% are hard working, or 10% are BOTH honest AND hard working?

    It would also be interesting to see how many people think THEY are honest.

    Kind of like 87% of drivers believe they are above average, if you follow.

    That being said, I did ask.



    All the best,
    Michael
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I dont want to work hard, but I sure as hell want to be honest in what I do.
  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Can't you be honest, but not hard working? Or dishonest and hard working?
  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    It would also be interesting to see how many people think THEY are honest.


    All the best,
    Michael
    I am honest to a fault. I can't even imagine how many sales I've lost
    because I've told people this isn't for them if they're looking to push a
    button and have $100 bills fall from the sky.

    I honestly sometimes think I'm not really cut out for this business because
    there are a lot of things I won't do and there are a lot of things I see that
    I hate.

    But then I look at people like Paul Myers, Kevin Riley, Tim Gorman, Dean
    Shainin and others who I admire because of the way they run their
    business. Paul Myers, with his newsletter, takes the term "overdeliver" and
    gives it a whole new meaning.

    There are some really good eggs out here Michael.

    There are also some really bad apples.

    Such is life.
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

    Can't you be honest, but not hard working? Or dishonest and hard working?
    Thanks, Curtis, that's a good point.

    Let me change the question to...

    What percentage of Warriors do you think are honest, and/or hard working people?

    That's more of what I'm curious about.

    All the best,
    Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

    I think that the vast majority of people are honest, hard-working people who just want to build a business.
    You should realize, that if that were true about this place ever, it wouldn't stay true for long, because for a subset of the population (which is VASTLY larger than you think) the kind of person you describe is "prey".

    And since these kinds of people tend to hunt in packs and they can smell blood in the water, very very quickly, the predators and scavengers will outnumber the prey.

    What is it you think LED to the person posting the thread that this OP disagreed with?

    There's also a distortion that happens when you talk about the bad people online as being a "vocal minority" because that's not possible in an online context.

    You're dealing with a permanent informational medium. The most vocal segment CANNOT be a minority, because they produce the majority of the documents.

    The population of this forum only APPEARS to you to be people - it's actually just a big repository of information. I would say the vast, vast majority of the information contained on this site is shared by people who are not qualified to say what they are saying other than that they are repeating it.

    That in itself is one of the most dangerous forms of dishonesty, when you present your opinion as fact because it masks ignorance from the audience. Remember, it's not just willful or predatory dishonesty that harms.

    Would anyone disagree?

    I feel like if you come into this place you need to have your night vision goggles on, not your rose colored glasses.
  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    Seriously?

    Then, no offense intended, why do you hang out here if you think 90% are lazy liars? Again, nothing personal.

    That's the other part of it I don't get. I'm really trying to wrap my head around why people would count themselves amongs a group of so many people they think are lying.

    Do you seriously think only 10% are honest, or only 10% are hard working, or 10% are BOTH honest AND hard working?

    It would also be interesting to see how many people think THEY are honest.

    Kind of like 87% of drivers believe they are above average, if you follow.

    That being said, I did ask.



    All the best,
    Michael
    Michael,

    I would kind of agree with Colin. There are well over 100K members of this forum. A fraction of that number is active. The inactive people do not represent what this forum is all about.

    Therefore, it would be a mistake to count us as one of them. As for those who are left standing, it's difficult to say. The naive thing to say would be that there's only a couple bad apples. But I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of dishonest and lazy people either pretending to be legit, or simply lurking in the shadows.

    So why do I hang out here? Because the people who represent this forum are the ones who are active, and these people are honest.

    Curtis
  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    Thanks, Curtis, that's a good point.

    Let me change the question to...

    What percentage of Warriors do you think are honest, and/or hard working people?

    That's more of what I'm curious about.

    All the best,
    Michael
    Well, now that you put it that way, I'd guess we're into the 70% and above.

    ~Bill
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    No, the naive thing would be to say "90% of the people here are liars, but there's no way I'll fall prey to them".



    ~Michael
  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    How would we know?


  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    Seriously?

    Then, no offense intended, why do you hang out here if you think 90% are lazy liars? Again, nothing personal.
    I believe in what Ted Sturgeon said about 99% of everything being crap. I said 90% because I'm more of an optimist. If I was trying to avoid the 90% of crap out there, I would never leave my house.

    This forum is big enough to be a reflection and microcosm of the world at large. At least, the technologically advanced first world culture.

    And you can't really believe that 90% of that society is NOT both lazy and stupid and lie all the time, not just to authority and each other, but to themselves.

    And hey, me too. No one can escape it - our brains are built to sleepwalk us through life.

    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    That's the other part of it I don't get. I'm really trying to wrap my head around why people would count themselves amongs a group of so many people they think are lying.
    I count myself among them because I'm not yet such a misanthrope that I don't want to be part of humanity.

    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    Do you seriously think only 10% are honest, or only 10% are hard working, or 10% are BOTH honest AND hard working?
    It might not be the same 10%, because I don't they they have a causal relationship, but I think the percentages would be about the same.


    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    It would also be interesting to see how many people think THEY are honest.

    Kind of like 87% of drivers believe they are above average, if you follow.
    Almost everyone thinks they are "honest" or at least they live up to some kind of code. Excluding total sociopaths, even the worst deliberate frauds have a sort of ethics where their predatory natures will be reigned in when among perceived equals.

    No bad guy ever thinks they are just being a bad guy. It's always internally justified. There's a really great series in the New York Times right now by Errol Morris about how the ignorant, by definition, are not capable of recognizing how ignorant they are.

    We are ruled and dominated and surrounded by overconfident idiots.

    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    That being said, I did ask.



    All the best,
    Michael
    You did! Would you rather I lied in my answer?

    But to the core of your question - why am I here anyway? Why do I spend my time posting all the stuff I do? I dunno. Duty? I was born with the ability to create a signal, but I was born into a world of noise.

    There are other people like me, and I prefer to spend my time with them, but if you don't use the signal, if you don't get out there and listen for other signals, you never find them. That gets lonely and depressing.

    Also, I think a large part of the ignorance problem has to do with SMART people not CARING and not doing MORE. You know what I'M tired of? Not negativity about your fellow man, because I'm a realist and its deserved.

    What I'm tired of is how things have gotten so backwards that it's not cool to be smart. I think that keeps WAY more progress from happening than ANYTHING else. If society put as much value into education as it put into sports, the STARS would be in our reach by now.

    We walked on the FREAKING MOON at one time in our human history. At one point THAT is what riveted the world's imagination. Now we have reality TV, which to quote Dana Gould - is "an amateur production about nothing".

    So I say enough. I say cut a swath through the masses. Let your little light shine. Be the missionary of the smart and the honest and the USEFUL out there among the sleeping masses. Maybe if I wake up just one or two people... and THEY wake up one or two people...

    Then MAYBE us smarter people will not get bred out of existence before the inevitable rock from space wipes out most of the human race. If we have at least a FEW smart people left by then, we might not get reset back to zero.

    But you know, I try to be an optimist.
  • Profile picture of the author Hanz
    The few people who I trusted were scammers who resorted to pulling the farce of being successful but with the intention of making money any way possible even if it meant being dishonest with their earnings in order to build a trust with the customer. So far it's 0-4 from the folk I've been following. No names mentioned.
    I've also noticed that even the reputable folk who are releasing step by step guides on earning money actually try to cop-out with the whole "Think outside the box" or "Be creative" rather than actually explain the whole step by step process.
  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Originally Posted by Hanz View Post

    The few people who I trusted were scammers who resorted to pulling the farce of being successful but with the intention of making money any way possible even if it meant being dishonest with their earnings in order to build a trust with the customer. So far it's 0-4 from the folk I've been following. No names mentioned.
    I've also noticed that even the reputable folk who are releasing step by step guides on earning money actually try to cop-out with the whole "Think outside the box" or "Be creative" rather than actually explain the whole step by step process.
    Do you think an idiot could explain to a smart person how to be an idiot? Probably not. It's the same thing with creativity - even if you have it, you can't necessarily teach it. That's why you see a lot of that.

    And to be honest, they aren't lying - if they could GIVE you a step by step for that part, none of the people following would have any uniqueness, and in all likelihood, would fail because of it.

    A lot of success in marketing has to do with getting attention, and getting attention has to do with breaking the pattern in a noticeable way. If everyone is breaking the pattern and the same time in the same way, it's just another pattern, and the attention-getting breaks down.

    You've seen this happen in this niche - when people complain about "launch fatigue" it's because they've spotted the pattern of artificial buzz. It's no longer a believable singular bit of naturally-occurring goodness.

    What I recommend you do instead of looking at being told to be creative and have a unique approach as a cop-out, is consider this quote from Ben Franklin:

    "Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing about."

    Best way to get attention online I ever heard. Follow that line of thought, and you WILL FALL out of the box. Hope that helps.
  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

    Do you think an idiot could explain to a smart person how to be an idiot? Probably not. It's the same thing with creativity - even if you have it, you can't necessarily teach it. That's why you see a lot of that.

    And to be honest, they aren't lying - if they could GIVE you a step by step for that part, none of the people following would have any uniqueness, and in all likelihood, would fail because of it.

    A lot of success in marketing has to do with getting attention, and getting attention has to do with breaking the pattern in a noticeable way. If everyone is breaking the pattern and the same time in the same way, it's just another pattern, and the attention-getting breaks down.

    You've seen this happen in this niche - when people complain about "launch fatigue" it's because they've spotted the pattern of artificial buzz. It's no longer a believable singular bit of naturally-occurring goodness.

    What I recommend you do instead of looking at being told to be creative and have a unique approach as a cop-out, is consider this quote from Ben Franklin:

    "Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing about."

    Best way to get attention online I ever heard. Follow that line of thought, and you WILL FALL out of the box. Hope that helps.

    Colin, you're a bright guy....nough said.
  • Profile picture of the author Mohamed_Mnafeg
    there is an old say that say:"You are what you think"
    if you think that most people are honnest then you are honnest
    if you think that most people are liars you are liar

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