Denied housing because of credit!

by dsimms
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I have never been turned down to rent anything in my life, so when I just moved to NJ, and applied to move into a park and pay for a mobile in cash...I was denied...and this is no diamond park made of gold either, we are talking run down mobiles...I know you want to keep the rif-raf out, which the park consists of...I am far from being rif-raf...

I thought profiling was illegal, I guess not....

how do you get a house if people keep turning you down? you have to have a physical address to get a bank account, and banks will not even look at you or do anything for you unless you have an account.

This is like trying to get a job with no experience...

People are so rude up here in NJ -
They are always in a hurry to get no where.
  • Profile picture of the author dsimms
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    These are tough times and they are only going to get tougher.

    The only way to reassure people financially is to offer up a huge wad of rent upfront. Sad but true. Good luck.
    it did not work in this case, and it must not be tough times for the run down park, I offered to pay cash for a mobile that i would have to fix up...

    mobile homes up here have super crazy prices..in AL I can buy a 28x80 used mobile for $40-50k - and in nj a home half this size can cost
    $60-70k and a common mobile home up here is like 14x70
    and they can range $30-40k and I am not talking new either, they have homes up here that are 20-40 years old up forsale at super crazy prices.

    currently I am spending about $2k/mo in a hotel, and it is
    not a ramada either...everything is so small and crammed
    up here, and if you go large, expect a larger price....
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

      it did not work in this case, and it must not be tough times for the run down park, I offered to pay cash for a mobile that i would have to fix up...

      mobile homes up here have super crazy prices..in AL I can buy a 28x80 used mobile for $40-50k - and in nj a home half this size can cost
      $60-70k and a common mobile home up here is like 14x70
      and they can range $30-40k and I am not talking new either, they have homes up here that are 20-40 years old up forsale at super crazy prices.

      currently I am spending about $2k/mo in a hotel, and it is
      not a ramada either...everything is so small and crammed
      up here, and if you go large, expect a larger price....
      BTW standard brands of daily hotels, like marriot, ramada, holiday inn, hyatt, etc... typically STARTED around $100/day, and go UP from there. A nice hyatt in a decent area could cost upwards of $200/day. And that was a DECADE ago! The last hotel I stayed at in Washington DC cost about $299/DAY! So $2k/month is CHEAP! Heck, I am in an OFF brand at a long stay hotel, on a WEEKLY rate, and it is costing me about $1500/month!

      As for the big wad of cash? That makes sense ONLY if they are the owner and they will probably want a MINIMUM of 2 months pay over what they would normally charge. So it WOULD be a BIG wad of cash. Of course, if they AREN'T the owner, they may be bound by rules that give them NO such option.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        This has NOTHING to do with profiling and trying to put this question into the realm of discrimination won't work. Many people who are trying to rent today have credit problems from the economy - but no bank account on top of that puts in a high risk category for rental.

        Rental agents and owners renting properties run a credit report and require a bank account before they rent property. This has been true for many years - nothing new.

        In rural areas you may be able to rent from a property owner with a cash deposit - but it's becoming less common. Do you have references from your previous landlords? If so, look for owner rented properties (rather than those handled by rental agencies) and talk to the owner directly and honestly about your circumstances.

        Be prepared to pay a hefty cash deposit IF you find someone willing to take a chance on you. However, if you have damaged credit, no bank account and no verifiable income source, renting is going to be a challenge.

        Look for parks that offer weekly rentals - those are the ones likely to accept cash payments. They reduce their risk by charging more per month and the weekly rental payments offer some landlord protection. Another possibility may be to rent a room or upstairs/basement apartment in someone's home in order to begin establishing yourself in the area.

        In a previous thread you complained of an insurance company raising your rates - this can also be a result of no bank account and/or credit problems although many people don't realize that.

        This is a rock and hard place scenario and it is hard to get around it. Good luck.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          This has NOTHING to do with profiling and trying to put this question into the realm of discrimination won't work. Many people who are trying to rent today have credit problems from the economy - but no bank account on top of that puts in a high risk category for rental.

          Rental agents and owners renting properties run a credit report and require a bank account before they rent property. This has been true for many years - nothing new.

          In rural areas you may be able to rent from a property owner with a cash deposit - but it's becoming less common. Do you have references from your previous landlords? If so, look for owner rented properties (rather than those handled by rental agencies) and talk to the owner directly and honestly about your circumstances.

          Be prepared to pay a hefty cash deposit IF you find someone willing to take a chance on you. However, if you have damaged credit, no bank account and no verifiable income source, renting is going to be a challenge.

          Look for parks that offer weekly rentals - those are the ones likely to accept cash payments. They reduce their risk by charging more per month and the weekly rental payments offer some landlord protection. Another possibility may be to rent a room or upstairs/basement apartment in someone's home in order to begin establishing yourself in the area.

          In a previous thread you complained of an insurance company raising your rates - this can also be a result of no bank account and/or credit problems although many people don't realize that.

          This is a rock and hard place scenario and it is hard to get around it. Good luck.

          kay
          Profiling has NOTHING to do with race. Never really did. Profiling is matching a set of characteristics with a type of person. So saying a person with a bad credit report is a bad credit risk IS profiling. Just like saying that Jewel was likely to be a bomber since he had nails, was middle aged, was in a low paying job, and lived with his mother.

          Still, Kay, what you said otherwise is certainly true and good advice.

          Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by poorman View Post

          My friend just got an apartment in NY. Because his credit score is 'good' and not 'excellent', he had to pay the first 2 months rent + last month's rent + security deposit before he was given the key to move in.
          That's reasonable. Even on VERY old films, even 60 years old, you see them requesting first and last months rent, and security.

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

    I have never been turned down to rent anything in my life, so when I just moved to NJ, and applied to move into a park and pay for a mobile in cash...I was denied...and this is no diamond park made of gold either, we are talking run down mobiles...I know you want to keep the rif-raf out, which the park consists of...I am far from being rif-raf...

    I thought profiling was illegal, I guess not....

    how do you get a house if people keep turning you down? you have to have a physical address to get a bank account, and banks will not even look at you or do anything for you unless you have an account.

    This is like trying to get a job with no experience...

    People are so rude up here in NJ -
    They are always in a hurry to get no where.
    HECK NO, it is downright ENCOURAGED! Profiling is illegal only to a DEGREE when based on selecting out protected classes based on THOSE criteria. Credit reports are also used to decide between JOB applicants!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author dsimms
    When you start gathering data on people, then you are profiling...they are building a profile to see if they want to let you in...and since you have to meet people face to face, then they get a chance to size you up in their office also...so yes, its nothing but profiling, even though my credit is not good, but source of income, rental history, background checks are excellent....I could understand if this was some upsale mobile park, but it is not, it looks like a ho-bo park, so you are telling me that all these skanking looking mobile homes have A1 Credit? are you telling me that if I offered $8k for a fixer upper that I can not afford $500/mo on a $100k+ salary?
    something is wrong here....I know whats wrong...I am in New Jersey...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

      When you start gathering data on people, then you are profiling...they are building a profile to see if they want to let you in...and since you have to meet people face to face, then they get a chance to size you up in their office also...so yes, its nothing but profiling, even though my credit is not good, but source of income, rental history, background checks are excellent....I could understand if this was some upsale mobile park, but it is not, it looks like a ho-bo park, so you are telling me that all these skanking looking mobile homes have A1 Credit? are you telling me that if I offered $8k for a fixer upper that I can not afford $500/mo on a $100k+ salary?
      something is wrong here....I know whats wrong...I am in New Jersey...
      Dsimms,

      Maybe they want it to be BETTER! MAYBE they are thinking of selling.

      You make $100K+? How are THEY supposed to know that!?!?!?

      You can afford $500/mo? How are THEY supposed to know that!?!?!?

      Do you have ANY idea how many people had, and possibly have, BILLIONS of dollars, and make MILLIONS at the drop of a hat, and couldn't afford $500/mo? It's a LOT!

      THAT is why they created credit reports. They are FAR from perfect, but they keep out some of the worst!

      BTW if you are SO great, why is your credit SO bad anyway? Just curious. Hopefully people here KNOW how I REALLY feel about credit reports.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Steve - that wasn't the kind of "profiling" I was mentioning.

        When you start gathering data on people, then you are profiling.
        Of course you are and if you listen to the news these days you think "this isn't allowed" - but it is.

        The profiling that isn't allowed is that based on race or other personal characteristics.

        Credit profiling is alive and well. Have you checked to see if there is wrong info in your credit file? When you move to a different part of the country that area may use a different one of the three major reporting bureaus than the areas you previously lived. It's possible one bureau has incorrect info contained in your credit file. Worth checking.

        Can you reopen an old bank account in your previous area? It's easier to open a bank account if you already have one. Just a thought. I read somewhere that it's easier to qualify to buy a travel trailor or mobile home than it is to rent in some areas. Odd.

        You will have a better chance with a person who rents his property himself than with a rental agency. Dealing directly with a person gives you the chance to negotiate for a larger deposit or to explain why there is a problem.

        I understand the frustration. When you are denied when applying for something it's a big deal to you. it's a big problem for many people who know they are good people but have been challenged financially by the economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Denying rent because of your credit is perfectly legal. The owner/agency has to make the judgement call from your credit report to see if you will be able to meet the rent payment without trouble and have left over enough to cover you in case you end up without work etc. A bank account is a must as well. You could ask them to clarify what is it that in the credit report caused them to say no. They should be able to tell you exactly why.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Rent a po box at ups. Their boxes sound like apartment unit addresses.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      Rent a po box at ups. Their boxes sound like apartment unit addresses.
      But if you can't live in a PO box, how will that help here?

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    At least housing is something you might expect to have a credit check for -- the thing that really is outrageous is having a credit check run to get a job. Poor credit? What's a good solution? Um....a job?

    I was turned down for a job once just to find out that it was because I didn't have credit. The job had no money handling or access involved so I couldn't figure out what the hell my credit mattered. I drove to the place and pointed to my 2 year old vehicle and told them that "I don't buy on credit - but THAT is paid for". They were extremely sorry but I needed a good credit rating to be employed for them. Go figure - a year later the company was fined heavily for being caught hiring illegals. I really should have gone back and sued them and now I really wish I had.

    When people can't have jobs in this country because they aren't rich enough -we've really gone over the edge. It's bad enough that people have started to see those without tons of cash and material goods as worthless, losers, their own fault, getting what they deserve, etc. But to keep someone on the streets who is willing and able to do a job because of a credit score is just beyond redemption.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Heysal,

    Income and credit don't have a 1_1 correlation. My mother was on socsec, and had GREAT credit. I made over 10 times what she did, and a stupid bank hurt my credit.

    The idea of credit on jobs is supposed to be if you are trustworthy, etc...

    Steve
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