Did you read "The Secret"

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Please give me some of your success after reading this wonderful book.

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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    I've read the movie and watched the video. It helped a lot with my professional and personal life. Specifically, I see the world more differently and appreciate all things around me a little more.

    Law of attraction is awesome, but one key thing I must warn you is that.. It's important to be able to know and shift yourself from an optimistic to realistic in different situation. Have you try anything with the book yet so far? You might like this website 100 Quotes from the secrets movie
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  • Profile picture of the author Nyakibia
    The secret had a huge impact on my personal as well as academic life. I learned how to think positively in every aspect of my life and believe that anything is possible. I still use it today.
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    • Profile picture of the author neilrivera
      Originally Posted by Nyakibia View Post

      The secret had a huge impact on my personal as well as academic life. I learned how to think positively in every aspect of my life and believe that anything is possible. I still use it today.
      I really like the "Secret to Money" part of that book because it gives me insight on how I can deal with financial problems.

      After I read that book I always think positive that one day I can live the life that I wanted to be.

      Thanks for answering mate!
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    I really like the "Secret to Money" part of that book because it gives me insight on how I can deal with financial problems.

    After I read that book I always think positive that one day I can live the life that I wanted to be.

    Thanks for answering mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author nongnut36
    I have jsut started reading about the Secret and I like the videos they do with the music and the inspirational words i find relaxing not sure if it works but early ways.
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    • Profile picture of the author yinglove70
      Originally Posted by nongnut36 View Post

      I have jsut started reading about the Secret and I like the videos they do with the music and the inspirational words i find relaxing not sure if it works but early ways.
      Yes, I very like with video
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  • Profile picture of the author Grace26
    You people have inspired me to read this book. I will look for it now. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author anaellea2
    I love the Secret. My favorite movie ever...
    And for me the best is Bob Proctor.
    By the way, anyone interested, Bob from the Secret is giving a webinar on Monday. It’s totally Free and apparently it’s going to be mindblowing!! I have already registered. Places are limited. If you are interested contact me on facebook danie nguoghia and I give you all the details :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author lilhay
    Excellent book and movie. I use it everyday. To me The Secret is the layman mindset training what's already taught in the bible. Apply what you learn in the secret and you
    will see physical results.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Indeed, you can also watch the video on Youtube relating to law of attraction as well. We really do have the power to change our lives.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    Most of the source information for The Secret is directly out of the Christian New Thought Movement. Keep tracing backwards, and you'll find that most of that stuff evolved out of the ancient teachings of Hermes and Thoth.

    The Secret is a good introduction to that kind of stuff, but if you want true and lasting success, you really must go deeper.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      Most of the source information for The Secret is directly out of the Christian New Thought Movement.

      John
      What you are referring to is false doctrine commonly known to Bible scholars as "The Name it and Claim It' "gospel" - and/or the 'Health and Wealth" "gospel" -- whereby snake oil salesmen parading as preachers twist Scriptures up in just as evil a way as the Secret gang --- and another 'marketing ploy' to appeal to the masses.

      This is NOT "New Christian Thought" -- it is False Prophets and Teachers sent to make Christianity look foolish. That is the prophecy coming true.

      "Many will come in My Name, and I do not know them". (sic)

      "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom E
        Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

        What you are referring to is false doctrine commonly known to Bible scholars as "The Name it and Claim It' "gospel" - and/or the 'Health and Wealth" "gospel" -- whereby snake oil salesmen parading as preachers twist Scriptures up in just as evil a way as the Secret gang --- and another 'marketing ploy' to appeal to the masses.

        Their "marketing ploy" may be tasteless, but it was that very ploy that made so many people aware of the Law of attraction, sending them on their way to start taking responsibility for themselves.

        This is NOT "New Christian Thought" -- it is False Prophets and Teachers sent to make Christianity look foolish. That is the prophecy coming true.

        "Many will come in My Name, and I do not know them". (sic)

        "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"
        Now that's just ignorant. I'm not Christian, but I have great respect for preachers like Joel Osteen, who is a huge flag bearer of the Law Of Attraction. He has helped, and is helping to positively influence thousands of people by making them take responsibility for their own lives via the principles of the law of attraction. Of course, if The Secret hadn't been released, none of that would have been possible.

        And that's what you're calling evil. Although I will agree with you that it is wrong of deceptive preachers to claim the Law of attraction as their own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    I had mixed emotions about the video. I do believe the basic concept that good things are more likely to happen to people who expect good things. If you are absolutely sure that you'll succeed then you are more likely to succeed because you see the impediments to success as minor problems that can be solved rather than major obstacles that can't be solved.

    Often though, the video gave the impression that there is some "power in the Universe" out there that will hand you success if you just believe. I agree with michaelfrancis about that part being stupid. Just ask any Amway distributor about that theory. Of course, the believers in the Secret will just say that the one out of a thousand successful Amway distributors are the only ones who believed strongly enough in the Secret.

    A positive attitude can be a powerful tool but without hard work it's just wishful thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I'm a believer in self fulfilling prophecy. But I don't believe that it's a major law in the Universe. The evidence may back it up, but who in their right mind would say - after making or receiving a million dollars - that they weren't thinking about it, and willing it to happen?

    That would be like saying the "secret" to a good bowling game is moving the ball forward. You could question all of the good bowlers of the world, and guess what? They'd all say that they move the ball forward. Secret to good bowling solved? Just about every other bowler in the world moves the ball forward too.

    I don't know if I'm just NOT getting it, but everyone you ask that is successful has willed it to happen. But there's a lot more to it than that.

    I have a brother that is almost the same age as me. My hobby in life was computers. His was working on his car. Guess who makes more money now? It's not that I want it any more than him. It's just that I lucked out w/ my choice of a hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    The secret is a book for dreamers.

    If you lived in utter poverty in the deserts of Africa, you could dream all you liked about a proper meal. You would never fulfill that dream.

    The law of attraction only works when deep down you know its obtainable anyway.

    Whats clever of secret about that?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick B
      Ok ... I still don't believe that simply picturing yourself as being successful will lead to success but my income has almost tripled since I watched "The Secret".

      I suspect that it has a lot more to do with hard work and luck then with "The Secret".

      Being sure that you'll succeed does eliminate minor depression though and that might lead to unproductive time. For example; if you have a temporary downturn in revenues, you're more likely to keep working hard if you're convinced that you will eventually succeed.

      But nothing is as simple as "Believe and your dreams will come true".
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  • Profile picture of the author Phantomwriter
    If you put your mind to anything, you will work hard to get it, and you will. 'The secret' just gives you an excuse..
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    It's been a couple of years since I read it and I haven't watched the video. I agree with a few other here that they thought of wanting something and believing you'll get something or succeed at something, is all well and good and it is a good way to keep you motivated. But that on it's own wont make you successful if you don't put in the effort to make it happen.

    It is more than just believing in yourself or believing it will happen, it's also about putting in the effort and work involved in making it happen. Sure the correct mindset and believing in yourself plays a huge part in that, but it's not all.

    Although I don't believe in the universal law and that thinking is all you need to do to succeed, I do believe The Secret is a good book to keep you positive and in a good mindset so that you can believe in yourself, which is a big part of working toward success.

    Believe you will fail and you will fail. Believe you will succeed and you will succeed. But it's because those who believe they will succeed believe it enough to work toward it and make it happen! Those who believe they will fail are doomed from the start because they have already considered themself a failure and won't be motivated to really work at succeeding.

    If you lived in utter poverty in the deserts of Africa, you could dream all you liked about a proper meal. You would never fulfill that dream.
    What if your dream was strong enough and that you are determined enough that you manage to escape from that place, from that poverty and build a new life for yourself somewhere? Somewhere that has proper meals?
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    • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      What if your dream was strong enough and that you are determined enough that you manage to escape from that place, from that poverty and build a new life for yourself somewhere? Somewhere that has proper meals?
      People don't quite see it that way. People who bash The Law of Attraction tend to believe that the authors are advocating the readers to only think about things and they'll appear as if some genie granted a wish. That's not what they're saying. As you said, optimism will lead to favorable circumstances which will lead to appropriate action.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You are right - that is NOT what the authors said. However, that IS what many people heard - and that's unfortunate.

        I think the book and movie did have a positive effect on many people - who recognized their own negative thought patterns were holding them back.

        I couldn't get into Joe Vitale as a purveyor of "secrets" - after seeing him as someone who gave glowing testimonials for every new IM product that hit the market for a couple years. I expect that colored my own view of the movie.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom E
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I couldn't get into Joe Vitale as a purveyor of "secrets" - after seeing him as someone who gave glowing testimonials for every new IM product that hit the market for a couple years. I expect that colored my own view of the movie.
          Amen to that. I eventually removed myself from Joe Vitale's mailing list, because he basically turned in to a spamathon, with Joe plugging a new product several times a week, touting all of them as "the ultimate" way to achive your goals and dreams. He is a brilliant marketer, but a little too fluffy for my blood.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I read the book and saw the movie.

    Since then I have had my most successful WSO ever.

    In fact, I have had all kinds of successes since reading the book and seeing the movie.

    Now, you didn't ask about cause and effect, you were just referring to a timeline of sorts, right? Because it just happens that those things came about after I read the book, but reading the book had NOTHING to do with my successes.

    For example, I learned how to create better products, and write better copy (slightly better).

    Not saying the book and movie are bad, they were quite enjoyable, but they didn't MAKE me more successful, if you follow.

    Also, the "experts" in The Secret can also make mistakes...

    Sweat Lodge Death Investigation Turns to Self-Help Guru James Arthur Ray - Crimesider - CBS News

    Anyway, if it works for you, that's great. I believe most of the platitudes in the book are excellent, and most of the advice is sound, but I think it's a good idea to put everything to the test as well.

    So, yes, I did have success after reading The Secret and seeing the movie.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author DuaneZ
    I found The Secret a book that helps me put my mindset in a positive light. What I mean is this... It is to easy in today's busy life to reflect on all the negative aspects that may surround ones life. If you for one moment get sucked into these negative thoughts then you will rarely notice the positive aspects when they happen.

    So The Secret really shows you how to notice and celebrate the positive things that happen to us each and every day. You see after seeing and reading The Secret, I have tried to win the lottery. Something that does happen to others even though the chances are really low.

    But I took it one step further, I not only had positive thoughts about winning the lottery but I also had completed positive thoughts about how I would take my lottery jack pot and positively help those that are in need around me and pass on the positive value the money would bring. Well to date I am still waiting for the lottery to come in with my numbers!

    So The Secret is just learning how to notice and celebrate the positive things that happen around you each day. If you can focus on that then you have no choice to do everything in a positive light which will lead to many more successes. I use this process in IM all the time which keeps me motivated as I watch my hard work turn to positive gains. I take my IM misses and turn those into positives by learning from them and trying something different (perseverance) to turn the miss into a success.
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  • Profile picture of the author chloetaylor
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    i personally don't like reading novels and books. i prefer watching movies instead (made from the story of the book)...like Harry potter, Twilight. etc
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGuruHustler
    Usually I don't go for things like this (kind of like the "See It and Be It" seminar Jackie went to on Roseanne back in, like, 1988 lol) because they're so "DUH, common sense," but I'll admit that "The Secret" took it to a whole other level. The fact that it showed people ways to use it besides just making money but to improve your overall being on this Earth. VERY insightful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I think books like "The Secret" can be helpful to some people. If you determine you're going to do something and that belief encourages you to TAKE ACTION -- then it's a good thing.

    Too many people only understand half the story. They think that if they sit on the couch long enough and think about their new car then it will magically appear.

    It's like most other self-help books. It's what you do with the information that matters.

    Side note: People who only watch movies and refuse to read books usually miss most of the story.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The Secret was one of the most successful marketing campaigns I've ever seen. The philosophies are ancient - and pagan. What you get is just the tip of the iceberg, though. Yogis spend lifetimes mastering some of what the secret claims anyone can do with very little skill, time, and almost NO understanding of what they are doing. That is why ten's of millions watched the Secret (or read) and are still broke, still unsuccessful, and still unfulfilled.

    Ya just gotta doubt the sanity of anyone who truly believes that the ultimate secret to transforming their life is going to be found in a couple hour video or book. Come on folks - lets get a grip.

    That said -- there are some good points and philosophies for people to adopt whether they are going to transform you into a multimillionaire or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I found the acting to be poor and the movie a bit boring.

      Basically it was an old theory revised in a simplistic manner. The idea was to expect the best to happen - and then take action with that goal in mind. Judging from some of the comments posted on the many "Secret" threads here a few years ago....many people missed the "action" part. They were thinking good thoughts and waiting for something good to happen - I expect most are still waiting.

      Much preferred "What the Bleep Do We Know" and "Down the Rabbit Hole".
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    • Profile picture of the author nhynes57
      I found the Secret movie and book to be excellent. It worked for me
      and enable me to achieve some goals I never thought I could achieve
      only a few years ago.

      It seems works for some and not for others. Such is life...
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    • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The Secret was one of the most successful marketing campaigns I've ever seen. The philosophies are ancient - and pagan. What you get is just the tip of the iceberg, though. Yogis spend lifetimes mastering some of what the secret claims anyone can do with very little skill, time, and almost NO understanding of what they are doing. That is why ten's of millions watched the Secret (or read) and are still broke, still unsuccessful, and still unfulfilled.

      Ya just gotta doubt the sanity of anyone who truly believes that the ultimate secret to transforming their life is going to be found in a couple hour video or book. Come on folks - lets get a grip.

      That said -- there are some good points and philosophies for people to adopt whether they are going to transform you into a multimillionaire or not.
      Well said.
      I've actually traced the origins of the principles taught in The Secret back to ancient Egypt. I also read about Yogis who spends hundreds of years trying to master this stuff (as you already mentioned). Its definitely not as easy as some would like to believe. No where near it, in fact. But however, you can still get rich without knowing anything about The Law of Attraction. That's why I don't even bother reading those types of books anymore (I still study Metaphysics, but not the hype-filled self-help stuff). I just work my ass off and study hard to be a master of the field in which I work.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by YoungAndOpulent View Post

        People don't quite see it that way. People who bash The Law of Attraction tend to believe that the authors are advocating the readers to only think about things and they'll appear as if some genie granted a wish. That's not what they're saying. As you said, optimism will lead to favorable circumstances which will lead to appropriate action.
        Actually, when you cut into it, that's EXACTLY what they are saying. The principles are based on pagan/ancient philosophy, however they are blended with contemporary ideas in quantum physics -- which is very probably what the Yogis were mastering, albiet by a different name.





        Originally Posted by YoungAndOpulent View Post

        Well said.
        I've actually traced the origins of the principles taught in The Secret back to ancient Egypt. I also read about Yogis who spends hundreds of years trying to master this stuff (as you already mentioned). Its definitely not as easy as some would like to believe. No where near it, in fact. But however, you can still get rich without knowing anything about The Law of Attraction. That's why I don't even bother reading those types of books anymore (I still study Metaphysics, but not the hype-filled self-help stuff). I just work my ass off and study hard to be a master of the field in which I work.
        In Early Egypt it was referred to as the principle of "Becoming". The thought - religion? - existed in two forms - the basic religion for the general masses, and the more "enlightened" versions practiced by the priests and royalty. (That's not much different than contemporary religious doctrine, though - so human nature hasn't changed much anyhow.)

        If you know the principles of what is marketed as success thought, such as The Secret or Think and Grow Rich, Masterkey, etc - go read Stephen Hawkings book - can't remember the name of it but it talks about String Theory and a few other more up to date theories in quantum physics. I think you'll find it highly interesting and motivational.
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        • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Actually, when you cut into it, that's EXACTLY what they are saying. The principles are based on pagan/ancient philosophy, however they are blended with contemporary ideas in quantum physics -- which is very probably what the Yogis were mastering, albiet by a different name.
          I've read a few who have presented it that way. But since I know better, I called BS. What I meant to say was that those who know what they're talking about don't put it that way.




          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          In Early Egypt it was referred to as the principle of "Becoming". The thought - religion? - existed in two forms - the basic religion for the general masses, and the more "enlightened" versions practiced by the priests and royalty. (That's not much different than contemporary religious doctrine, though - so human nature hasn't changed much anyhow.)

          If you know the principles of what is marketed as success thought, such as The Secret or Think and Grow Rich, Masterkey, etc - go read Stephen Hawkings book - can't remember the name of it but it talks about String Theory and a few other more up to date theories in quantum physics. I think you'll find it highly interesting and motivational.
          Don't worry, I'll find it.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Yep read the book, have a copy of the DVD.
      I've also read Law of Attraction and other works by Joe Vitale.
      Have they helped me in my life? I'd say yes.
      But how they helped I think is the key.
      First they forced me to take an honest look at my life and determine what I truly needed. What you want and what you need can be two entirely different things.
      Second they taught me that it was the negative things in my life that where having the biggest impact on me and that I had to work on eliminating them.
      Now instead of focusing on the negative, I just recognize it and focus on what positive steps I can take to eliminate it.
      They have also helped me in eliminating 'worry' from my life.
      For example being self-employed at nothing in particular, I used to constantly worry about where I would get the money to pay my bills. Now I except the fact that the money will be there when I need it. But I don't just sit on the coach and expect it to magically show up. Instead I've learned to except the opportunities that are presented to me that will bring the money in.
      In other words the Secret has taught me that if I think and act in a positive way then I will have positive results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom E
    The Secret was great in the sense that it brought knowledge of the Law Of Attraction into the public eye. It was not so great in that it presented it in an extremely naive, unrealistic light.

    There is a reason why Abraham/Hicks (without whom there would be no "The Secret", as 99% of the movie is ripped directly from Abraham/Hicks...and then cheesified) legally had their footage removed from the movie. If you want a way more powerful, realistic and effective way of understanding, and using the Law Of Attraction, get "Ask and it is given" by Abraham/Hicks.
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    • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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      Originally Posted by gr8tocre8 View Post

      The Secret was great in the sense that it brought knowledge of the Law Of Attraction into the public eye. It was not so great in that it presented it in an extremely naive, unrealistic light.

      There is a reason why Abraham/Hicks (without whom there would be no "The Secret", as 99% of the movie is ripped directly from Abraham/Hicks...and then cheesified) legally had their footage removed from the movie. If you want a way more powerful, realistic and effective way of understanding, and using the Law Of Attraction, get "Ask and it is given" by Abraham/Hicks.
      I read that book. I highly recommend it as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I watched the video and went on to study the techniques further and put many of the techniques into practice for about a year.

    I ended up wondering where there is REHAB for this sort of thing - All I did was manage to become obsessed and to THANK GOD that I do NOT create anything with my thoughts other than my mindset.

    It took be a couple years to get my head straight again.

    I consider these people witches and in fact some of them can be traced directly to pagan 'religions'. In that they try to pass it off as spirituality, they are demonic. When you are talking about people's minds this is not just 'marketing' -

    I can't think of anything that harmed me more including years of illegal drug experimentation and abusive relationships.

    This is not to say we don't need to believe in ourselves and whatever we are doing and to attract positivity by being positive. We need to be determined and take action -- and with all of that there is every reason to believe we can be successful.

    That is no secret.
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  • The things I could tell you about 'The Secret'...

    (well, no, actually I can't tell you - because it's a secret...)

    It was new age/old age motivation re-packaged...brilliantly...and with a little help from 'The Big "O"'

    And that Abraham/Hicks cracks me up...is it just me, or was that lady channeling Yul Brenner?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      Most of the source information for The Secret is directly out of the Christian New Thought Movement. Keep tracing backwards, and you'll find that most of that stuff evolved out of the ancient teachings of Hermes and Thoth.
      As I was reading the posts before yours I was wondering if anyone would mention the origins.

      Originally Posted by Tom E View Post

      Amen to that. I eventually removed myself from Joe Vitale's mailing list, because he basically turned in to a spamathon, with Joe plugging a new product several times a week, touting all of them as "the ultimate" way to achive your goals and dreams. He is a brilliant marketer, but a little too fluffy for my blood.
      I lost all respect for Vitale when he started marketing that Russian doll that he claimed granted wishes. :rolleyes:


      The Secret is intended to appeal to the "shiny button" crowd. Funny how the principles behind The Secret all made their money the old fashioned way -- marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        As I was reading the posts before yours I was wondering if anyone would mention the origins.



        I lost all respect for Vitale when he started marketing that Russian doll that he claimed granted wishes. :rolleyes:


        The Secret is intended to appeal to the "shiny button" crowd. Funny how the principles behind The Secret all made their money the old fashioned way -- marketing.
        Yeah that ended my reading of his stuff also.
        Like I said in my earlier post, the Secret and L.O.A. helped me, but by teaching me to focus on the positive and not the negative.
        At that time what I needed was to change my attitude.
        You still have to take action, which if I remember right neither of those seem to mention.
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          a little too fluffy for my blood
          As in "I'm not fat, I'm fluffy"???
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Yeah that ended my reading of his stuff also.
          Like I said in my earlier post, the Secret and L.O.A. helped me, but by teaching me to focus on the positive and not the negative.
          At that time what I needed was to change my attitude.
          You still have to take action, which if I remember right neither of those seem to mention.
          Taking action is the missing ingredient, which was left out intentionally I suspect, precisely to make it more appealing to the shiny button masses. I wrote an article several years ago about "action" being missing from the recipe, and it may have been the most commented on article I've ever written. There are many good things about The Secret, it's just an incomplete, shallow treatment of what it really takes to succeed, IMO.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Taking action is the missing ingredient, which was left out intentionally I suspect, precisely to make it more appealing to the shiny button masses. I wrote an article several years ago about "action" being missing from the recipe, and it may have been the most commented on article I've ever written. There are many good things about The Secret, it's just an incomplete, shallow treatment of what it really takes to succeed, IMO.
            Yep exactly. I always figured the Secret left the door open for the Secret Part 2
            It helped me get my head in a right place and it helped me get a clearer vision of myself and what I needed to live a happy life.
            But even that took action on my part.
            Funny thing is when they talked about the positive and the negative I kept getting this song in my head
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Yep exactly. I always figured the Secret left the door open for the Secret Part 2
              It helped me get my head in a right place and it helped me get a clearer vision of myself and what I needed to live a happy life.
              But even that took action on my part.
              Funny thing is when they talked about the positive and the negative I kept getting this song in my head
              Black Oak Arkansas- Lord Have Mercy On My Soul - YouTube
              I wore grooves in that album back in the day.

              Still have it in storage. Wouldn't be surprised if it had more static than a radio tuned to nothing.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                I wore grooves in that album back in the day.

                Still have it in storage. Wouldn't be surprised if it had more static than a radio tuned to nothing.
                Me too
                I've got the whole Raunch n Roll Live album on my computer.
                Been listening to it a lot more since I got another drum set.
                In fact I'm listening to this tune at the moment.
                and up next is this from the first B.O.A. album Tommy Aldridge played on.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

                  What you are referring to is false doctrine commonly known to Bible scholars as "The Name it and Claim It' "gospel" - and/or the 'Health and Wealth" "gospel" -- whereby snake oil salesmen parading as preachers twist Scriptures up in just as evil a way as the Secret gang --- and another 'marketing ploy' to appeal to the masses.

                  This is NOT "New Christian Thought" -- it is False Prophets and Teachers sent to make Christianity look foolish. That is the prophecy coming true.

                  "Many will come in My Name, and I do not know them". (sic)

                  "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"
                  Pat, what John was referring wasn't "New Christian Thought," but the "New Thought" movement from the early 1900's. If I misread you, sorry about that. It just seemed to me you thought he was referring to a modern movement.

                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  Me too
                  I've got the whole Raunch n Roll Live album on my computer.
                  Been listening to it a lot more since I got another drum set.
                  In fact I'm listening to this tune at the moment.
                  Black Oak Arkansas - Gettin Kinda Cocky - YouTube
                  and up next is this from the first B.O.A. album Tommy Aldridge played on.
                  Black Oak Arkansas - Gravel Roads.wmv - YouTube
                  Thom, I don't want to hijack the thread any farther than we have, but "Lord Have Mercy on my Soul)" is probably my favorite BOA song.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post




                    Thom, I don't want to hijack the thread any farther than we have, but "Lord Have Mercy on my Soul)" is probably my favorite BOA song.
                    Somebody dug up a 2 year old thread, I think we have a duty to hijack it
                    Now I've got all of "If an Angel came to see you, would you make her feel at Home". Thanks to Youtube.
                    I may have some angry neighbors now too.
                    I sat down on my drums last night at 10:30 and started relearning the songs from that album
                    I think Tommy Aldridge was at his best with Black Oak, his foot work on that album is simply incredible.
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                Its not only the thoughts but there is a very important point about taking some action. Yes, you have to believe and imagine, but it will not come to you until u get ur a** to actions
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


        I lost all respect for Vitale when he started marketing that Russian doll that he claimed granted wishes. :rolleyes:

        This really happened? Where can I find a link? just curiosity
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          Originally Posted by Alex Barboza View Post

          This really happened? Where can I find a link? just curiosity

          I don't want to link to the page and give him any link juice, so I'll send it to you in a PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom E
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      And that Abraham/Hicks cracks me up...is it just me, or was that lady channeling Yul Brenner?
      It doesn't matter whether she's channeling or not. The only thing that matters is - is it working for you? Is your life better because of the application of the principles she's teaching? If yes, then more power to you. If no, move on.
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      The things I could tell you about 'The Secret'...

      (well, no, actually I can't tell you - because it's a secret...)

      It was new age/old age motivation re-packaged...brilliantly...and with a little help from 'The Big "O"'

      And that Abraham/Hicks cracks me up...is it just me, or was that lady channeling Yul Brenner?
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    After reading it I tend to think more positively and get better results from what I am doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author reidsteven75
    Saw the movie. Really it's all about focus and how much you think about something so you're reticular activator in your brain helps you see more of it. A great way to be succesful in anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Tom - I did not mention Joel Osteen and he was not one of the 'preachers' I was referring to. Before you call someone ignorant you might check to find out what they mean. I am not going to specifically mention the snake oil preachers. But again, I do not consider Joel one of those -

    Again if you read my earlier/original post in this thread, I have nothing against the 'law of attraction' - I have a problem with people misrepresenting Scriptures - and giving people false hopes.

    In my case I even checked the Scripture - and was still fooled! The one I am referring to used by the Secret is 'Believe you have already received what you ask for' - and this is the one I got hung up with.

    The Scripture is something like 'Whatever you ask in My Name it will be done for you'.

    This does not refer to money or success or cars - it is spiritual gifts -

    Not that what I wanted or believed I had was any of those - but it still bytes just as hard when your spirit is crushed because you don't get what you want - bad enough not to get it - but if you really, really believed with your whole being that you would, and you don't - well it is what I would describe as shattering when you realize it was only a fantasy.

    And that is the evil rub with 'name it and claim it' - if you don't get it then they say it it's because you had no faith - this is just wrong and it is cruel.

    ... and I also in an abstract sense associate this with other so-called Christian teaching where people let their children die rather than to go to a doctor because somehow they think going to a doctor means they don't have faith.

    Wrong.

    By the way - if all this stuff really worked why aren't we all rich?

    I consider myself extremely rich and very blessed. I don't have much money but I do have a spiritually rich life because I continuously seek a relationship with God.

    Maybe if I was smarter or worked harder I would be cash rich - but it just doesn't really matter that much to me.
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      In my case I even checked the Scripture - and was still fooled! The one I am referring to used by the Secret is 'Believe you have already received what you ask for' - and this is the one I got hung up with.

      The Scripture is something like 'Whatever you ask in My Name it will be done for you'.This does not refer to money or success or cars - it is spiritual gifts.
      Everything in the bible is up for interpretation. Here's mine, bases on thorough study of, and understanding of the subconscious mind, as well as an appreciation for the law of attraction and all things spiritual:

      Anything you ask for is instantly delivered...in energy form. The only thing that stops it from being delivered in the physical is (subconscious) resistance, usually due to childhood/social/religious programming.

      However, sometimes we have no blockers, and we still don't get what we ask for. That would be (again, in my opinion) because the asking didn't come from a high place - it came from our ego, and our higher self (call it soul, god, spirit, buddha - you get the idea) knows that manifesting it is not going to be for our greater good.

      From there we can react negatively (freak out, be disillusioned, disappointed, etc), in which case we completely missed the train. OR, we can accept that we didn't get it, because something even better is on the way - thus staying the course. When coming from that viewpoint, you cannot lose - ever.

      When you say that "This does not refer to money or success or cars - it is spiritual gifts" in reply to 'Whatever you ask in My Name it will be done for you', that's where we get to the part where I view Christianity (and all other religions) as ignorant. Or more accurately stated, close minded.

      Because it views materialism as evil, and has instilled most Christians with this guilt about having nice things. Money and success is not evil! However, if you become its slave, and base your happiness on it, that's never a good thing. Kind of along the lines of "Seek ye the kingdom of heaven first and all other things shall be added onto you" (something like that). And I'm all for that.

      I also understand that when you do that (live your life from a pure place), money, success, cars and the such can be very pure, spiritual things. because they simply add to you already existing joy, yet if you didn't have it, you'd be fine.

      That's where we differ. I see how one truly feels about things as most important. Christians see what the bible says as most important - regardless what they feel. And hey, if that makes you happy, more power to you, but I'm still going to view you as slightly ignorant, simply because you're only open minded up until the point where the bible says you cannot be.

      Again, if it floats your boat - if it makes sense out of your life and gives you true happiness, then what I call ignorance is your bliss. It's all relative.

      Holy crap, this was long - sorry for the rant, couldn't find a shorter way to put this.
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    The Secret was a good and timely movie. However it ended up I believe being more of a catalyst for the further development of the law of attraction (LOA) and a further strong push by the IM world to capitalize on its success and its promise.

    Valuable? Yes. Opportunistic? Definitely. Great marketing? Of course.

    The Secret introduced a number of people whos careers have skyrocketed since that movie.

    In my view, there were many so many more better credentialed people who had nothing to do with that movie.

    That aside, the value for me was doing some background research on it and as a result finding additional sources that were so much more authentic and powerful.

    But thats just my opinion. Its all valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    There is much wisdom in what you say.

    However you make several false assumptions about Christians - For example there is nothing intrinsically evil about material things - not at all - and don't know why you think that Christians think that -

    In fact with me it is a 'hippy dippy' hang over - hero 'worshipping' the austere.

    but of course if you are slave to money or do evil things to get it then it is evil - but again it is not the material possessions that are evil but your mind.

    Interesting though a lot of what you say is so true - even looking at it from a Christian view - and that is what I remember flashing on so much when watching The Secret before actually getting into it - OMiGod this is the same thing the Bible says - Oh these people are chicken to say it is the Bible and very cool to try to pass it off without mentioning that -

    (because they know about people's narrow minded prejudices and how they would refuse to accept it if it had 'religious' stamped on it) - and believe me I understand that because there are so many lies - and I am even one of those - I am anti-religion -

    Being a Christian is really having a relationship with Christ and not a religion. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than being in a garage makes you a car".

    I studied lots of metaphysical and Buddhist teachings prior to studying the Bible - They are still with me and some of the experiences I had with 'Brain Training' and etc were quite REAL - but it can be dangerous - that is really my point in all this -

    I consider myself very open-minded - I just prefer the Bibical interpretation - I like knowing God is in control - for better or worse and I don't have to be responsible. And by the way it is not really intended to be 'open to interpretation' - it is very specific -

    ...and again if we are going to 'believe' something then we need to find out what it really means and not what we 'think' it means. (hello to myself)

    "God loves to confound the wise" --- and often uses 'ignorant' and obscure people (even criminals) --- and this is because He wants to show it is about Him, not us (for one thing).

    Thank you for sharing this (below)- this is so ironic ("God Works in Mysterious Ways") -

    I have a non-Christian telling me something I should know as a Christian and it is this one:

    "From there we can react negatively (freak out, be disillusioned, disappointed, etc), in which case we completely missed the train. OR, we can accept that we didn't get it, because something even better is on the way - thus staying the course. When coming from that viewpoint, you cannot lose - ever. "

    You are absolutely right! Thank you!

    Anyway we are getting off into forbidden territory (and actually long gone) - so I better chill -
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Is this a 'Who is on First' Riff, Dennis?

    John said 'New CHRISTIAN thought' - so that is what I responded to - I don't know what 'New Thought' was in the 1900's - So you are not reading me wrong.

    but maybe reading me reading John wrong. ;o)

    My favorite Christian reading is from 1800's - The 'name it and claim it' 'movement' was made famous by 'televangelists' and it seemed to go with the Yuppie movement of 1980's. Appeal to their greed and hedonism and call it Christianity.

    the ones i love to hate the most were like 'send me your seed money' - we will pray over your money to make it come true --

    oh - AND send you a rag (literally sent out little swatches of material) that had been prayed over - then everybody was shocked when they found all the prayer requests in the garbage - There were 3 or 4 of these creeps but the one with the busted garbage was Robert Tilton or Tildon.

    High Jack Away, Man! This IS the OFF topic forum!

    I actually wanted to change subject back at your videos too - and wanted to post this one - but did it in Kim's music you haven't heard in a while thread instead.

    So now on top of being ignorant I am a serial poster

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Years before "The Secret" came out, I've found some of the best life-affirming principles in various books by Dr. Wayne Dyer. I am not dismissing "The Secret" but I have found Dr. Dyer's principles to have a more multifaceted approach to the universal law of attraction than the approach that "The Secret" takes.
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    I've heard a lot about it but still haven't found time to dig it up ...
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  • Profile picture of the author William Maloney
    I watched "The Secret", the movie was really awesome. In my opinion, the law of attraction exists and you can use it in your favor only if you have good intentions. But let's not forget, God is our creator and only He decides whether we deserve something or not and whether we'll get something or not.
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