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14 years ago

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KimW

14 years ago

Did a google search and the first three links were selling the stuff.
What confuses me ia all 3 links profess to be Pernod Absinthe,yet the first 750ml bottle is listed at $74.99, the 2nd listed at $52.99 and the third is listed at $21.99.
SO, which is legit?

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

What confuses me ia all 3 links profess to be Pernod Absinthe,yet the first 750ml bottle is listed at $74.99, the 2nd listed at $52.99 and the third is listed at $21.99.

Probably the first and second.

When I walk into a liquor store, it's usually about $65. It's on sale for $55 this month, so I splurged on a bottle. I usually pay $30 for Le Tourment Vert.

HOWEVER... Pernod also makes a "fake" absinthe which was for the US market before 2007 when they finally figured out absinthe wasn't illegal after all. The fake one sells for about $25 a bottle, but contains no wormwood and therefore may as well be Galliano or any other anise/fennel liqueur.

What you want is Pernod Aux Plantes d'Absinthe Superieure.

When I build up a little more expendable cash, I'm going to be buying some of the highly-recommended boutique absinthes from Jade Liqueurs. The Nouvelle Orleans has good reviews from people I trust. And, needless to say, I must at some point try Mansinthe... Marilyn Manson's personal brand of absinthe.

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HeySal

14 years ago

I'm sorry, CD, but I don't like absinthe and just can't figure out any way to make something I really don't like worth any money. No testing necessary.

I do, however, still contend that Tosti is the very best brand of Asti at any price.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I'm sorry, CD, but I don't like absinthe and just can't figure out any way to make something I really don't like worth any money.

You know, when I was a kid, I didn't like beer.

Then I went to Ireland.

And I had Guinness.

I loooooooove Guinness.

In much the same way, the first time I ever had "absinthe" it was Absente. Really didn't like it. At all.

The second time was Lucid. Bleh. Horrific stuff. And I told a friend who liked absinthe, and he said Lucid was basically crap.

Then he pointed me at a bunch of $200 a bottle stuff which I didn't touch. And he said essentially, if you want good absinthe, look for something French that contains grand wormwood.

So I tried Le Tourment Vert, and it was truly some good absinthe. At the time, it was about $50 a bottle, which I figured was not a terrible price.

And then it dropped to $30 a bottle, and I could afford to make it a habit.

And being in a reasonably good financial place - at least for the moment, thanks to my latest WSO - I decided to branch out and try the 200-year reigning king of absinthe.

Saying you don't like absinthe is like saying you don't like wine. They're all different. And I fully intend to become a serious connoisseur of absinthe over the next several years.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

You know, when I was a kid, I didn't like beer.

Then I went to Ireland.

And I had Guinness.

I loooooooove Guinness.

In much the same way, the first time I ever had "absinthe" it was Absente. Really didn't like it. At all.

The second time was Lucid. Bleh. Horrific stuff. And I told a friend who liked absinthe, and he said Lucid was basically crap.

Then he pointed me at a bunch of $200 a bottle stuff which I didn't touch. And he said essentially, if you want good absinthe, look for something French that contains grand wormwood.

So I tried Le Tourment Vert, and it was truly some good absinthe. At the time, it was about $50 a bottle, which I figured was not a terrible price.

And then it dropped to $30 a bottle, and I could afford to make it a habit.

And being in a reasonably good financial place - at least for the moment, thanks to my latest WSO - I decided to branch out and try the 200-year reigning king of absinthe.

Saying you don't like absinthe is like saying you don't like wine. They're all different. And I fully intend to become a serious connoisseur of absinthe over the next several years.

Yeah - I know what you mean. I haven't been able to drink ouzo since I drank it in Greece, either. Even the import isn't as good as what they keep to themselves.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah - I know what you mean. I haven't been able to drink ouzo since I drank it in Greece, either. Even the import isn't as good as what they keep to themselves.

There are two issues with absinthe.

First, there's flavour. If you don't like licourice, you won't like it.

Then, there are effects.

The nightmares are horrific.

Even if you like the initial buzz, the creativity, the productivity...

You still have to deal with the sheer TERROR of the aftermath.

Van Gogh was driven insane by it.

I thrive on terror.

I am not normal.

I despise normality.

I do not expect others to feel the same.

I neither know nor care what this really means.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

That's a myth. Van Gogh had mental illness and depression way before he ever started drinking absinthe. It likely contributed to his downward spiral in his last few years, but wasn't the sole reason he was insane. Nor was it the reason for his genius as an artist.

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Van Gogh was driven insane by it.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That's a myth. Van Gogh had mental illness and depression way before he ever started drinking absinthe. It likely contributed to his downward spiral in his last few years, but wasn't the sole reason he was insane. Nor was it the reason for his genius as an artist.

It's not uncommon for creative people to have addictions. Colridge used codeine and his writing is credited to his induced mental state. Poe, too - something. Maybe not codeine. Lots of others, too.

I don't think we can assume either way on that one unless the person is somewhere that we can talk to them or letters have been left that give us a foundation to think addiction was what spurred their creative bent.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It's not uncommon for creative people to have addictions. Colridge used codeine and his writing is credited to his induced mental state. Poe, too - something. Maybe not codeine. Lots of others, too.

For some reason Hunter S. Thompson comes to mind...

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Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

For some reason Hunter S. Thompson comes to mind...

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Lawrh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It's not uncommon for creative people to have addictions. Colridge used codeine and his writing is credited to his induced mental state. Poe, too - something. Maybe not codeine. Lots of others, too.

It may surprise some, but Poe was not an addict or a drunk. He once tried to commit suicide with laudanum and would binge drink, but was never an addict.

A lot of this belief about Poe comes from an arsehole named Griswold. His "Memoir" about Poe has been debunked. There is more about it in this Wikipedia page -

Edgar Allan Poe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A briefer summation is here -

WikiAnswers - What were Edgar Allan Poe's addictions

My interest stems from high school when I was part of a semester long project on Poe's life. His life was tragic but his legacy is amazing.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

It's also not uncommon for uncreative people to have addictions and to think they are very creative.

In regards to Van Gogh there were about 600 letters to his brother Theo which pretty much shows his artistic journey and his mental illness through out his life. They also detail when he started drinking absinthe. Some have speculated that absinthe was responsible for Van Gogh's incredible use of color. However, if you read the letters between Theo and Vincent you will see Theo earlier encouraged Vincent to use more color because of the popularity of the impressionists. Also, Van Gogh was constantly studying and in direct contact with contemporary artists such as Paul Gauguin and Toulouse-Lautrec among many others.

Originally Posted by HeySal

It's not uncommon for creative people to have addictions.

I don't think we can assume either way on that one unless the person is somewhere that we can talk to them or letters have been left that give us a foundation to think addiction was what spurred their creative bent.

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Spot the Ball 14 years ago

I was the same,

When I was a kid it seemed like my Mum and Auntie were throwing parties every weekend (sure they were tring to "out party" each other).

Anyway, I would go around drinking anything I could get my hands on and the one drink I couldnt stand was beer, I thought it tasted like ****e and this really bothered me because I knew all men drank beer (at least the ones in my family) and if I was to be a "proper" grown up, I,d have to get used to it.

Cut a long story short, I NOW LOVE THE STUFF :p

Originally Posted by CDarklock

You know, when I was a kid, I didn't like beer.

Then I went to Ireland.

And I had Guinness.

I loooooooove Guinness.
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The Wanderer

14 years ago

French... eh. Now the Czech absinthe-- that's special! (But still not nearly as good as Czech beer.)

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by The Wanderer

Now the Czech absinthe-- that's special!

Pernod invented absinthe.

Czech? Too many blanchettes. What Czech absinthe do you recommend?
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  CD - I think you just explained why I've never become much of a drinker.
  
  If I don't like something I don't try it a second time. Sounds like dedicated liqueur advocates keep trying until they either find one they like or learn to like the one they tried. Perseverance is the key?
  
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  I didn't know that was legal here now! I always wanted to try it. What method of drinking it do you prefer?
  
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  Originally Posted by TimPhelan
  
  I didn't know that was legal here now! I always wanted to try it. What method of drinking it do you prefer?
  
  I use the traditional French ritual: an ounce or so of absinthe in the glass, then ice-cold water dripped slowly over a sugar cube.
  
  Absinthe doesn't cause hallucinations, but it can make you forget what is and is not real.
  
  Sometimes this is not a blessing. Sometimes it is... but sometimes not.
  
  And some people - myself among them - just become so enamoured of its effects, they don't want to do anything else. They wake up and have absinthe. They get hungry, and they look at the absinthe. They get tired, and think "one more absinthe." It's a constant struggle just to do what needs to be done... eat, sleep, work.
  
  Every addict thinks they're different, and they can handle it. Most are wrong.
  
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- The Wanderer 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Pernod invented absinthe.
  
  Czech? Too many blanchettes. What Czech absinthe do you recommend?
  
  Just being snotty. I have no clue what a blanchette is and know nothing about Czech absinthe- other than that I like it and a friend who's fairly knowledgeable keeps begging me to bring or send him bottles of the stuff.
  
  Now Czech beer I DO know... Made my living writing about it for several years in the early 90's.
  
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HeySal

14 years ago

CD - same with Greek Ouzo. It has opium in it and has a whole different kick than what you get here....even the import doesn't have that.

I drank a few shot glasses of the stuff (I was only 18 so was a light weight to start with) with a few pals my age and we ended up waking up in the morning leaning against trees and looking up at the Parthenon on the Acropolis. It was one of the best nights I'll never remember much about.

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Kurt

14 years ago

There's now a theory that many of the creative geniuses were bi-polar, with huge mood swings. Any chemicals could increase the swings.

Some artists today go on medication for being bi-polar, then claim that while they are more stable emotionally, they are no longer creative and go off treatment so they can create again.

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Kurt

14 years ago

There's a pretty popular theory now that many of these creative geniuses where bi-polar.

Today, a lot of really creative people have been treated for bi-polar disorder. They've found that their BPD has gotten a lot better, but they lost all their creative talents. Many of them then went off treatment and meds and their creativity returned.

It's sad, but it almost seems that in order for them to be really creative, they have to be very unstable which affects them and every one around them. Toss in some drugs like coke and/or meth, alcohol, etc, lack of sleep and mix it with someone that's bi polar, and you have a very volatile mix.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

I went to the local liquor store yesterday to get some absinthe but they didn't have it. They acted like they never even heard of it. I'll try somewhere else today, maybe the supermarket.

Reading up on it a little I noticed a common description of the high is a clear headed or lucid drunkenness. If that's the case I can see how it may lead to wanting to drink more.

I remember when I was younger I mixed certain types of stimulants along with alcohol. Sometimes I drank more alcohol just to calm myself down from the stimulants. Other times I took the stimulants to wake myself up from the effects of the alcohol. It became kind of a form of self torture really. Finally after feeling constant chest pains and weird heart beats for many months I decided I better give up the stimulants. That was about 15 years ago.
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