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This is neither political or religious. Just something to think about.


  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I just found this video. It's what I do every day.
    Home Dialysis | NBC Connecticut
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I hope you know I am praying for you Kim.
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    Thank you Patrician.
    I've actually been contacted this past week telling me I will go back on the transplant list soon,and sure enough I've received scheduling for 3 tests already.

    The videos were sent to me on Facebook and I just thought I'd share them.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Thank you Patrician.
      I've actually been contacted this past week telling me I will go back on the transplant list soon,and sure enough I've received scheduling for 3 tests already.

      The videos were sent to me on Facebook and I just thought I'd share them.
      That is good news, Kim.
      You know you get plenty of prays and positive energy from us all.
      Like Jack said, we're all family and it hurts us all when a brother suffers.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Thank you Patrician.
      I've actually been contacted this past week telling me I will go back on the transplant list soon,and sure enough I've received scheduling for 3 tests already.

      The videos were sent to me on Facebook and I just thought I'd share them.
      Hey fellow Warriors, I think this thread is too important to let it fall by the wayside.

      Kim, please continue your good work and continue to post links to articles etc., or that of your daily routine as a dialysis patient. So many of us take our kidney's (and all organs) for granted. We have not walked in the shoes of a dialysis patient. I think you could teach us all a lesson.

      Don't take your organs to heaven....heaven knows we need them here!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kimw,

    I doubt ANYONE could consider this political or religious. I hope you get a nice healthy kidney that you tolerate well, etc... I also hope it is fully covered, etc...

    And THANKS for the song! This might be the rendition I like BEST of all! I think I first heard it on "50 first dates". Cute movie, by the way!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steve,

    I think you know more of whats in store for me if I ever do actually get a kidney.
    Thanks for the well wishes.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah kimw, Maybe. I complain about having to take warfarin, etc... I complain about little pains, etc... I can only imagine what rejection pains feel like. I imagine it would be like my new abdominal hernia at the worst, and maybe being kicked you know where REALLY hard. You WILL have to take antirejection drugs which would hopefully prevent that. But it would still be better and cheaper than dialysis. OH, and for costs, I heard recently that a live transplant could cost over $200,000. Since I can't imagine it is that much harder than a regular transplant, I imagine a regular one may cost about the same. You save on the surgery costs, but have to pay for the kidney. BTW that is about what my open heart surgery cost.

    AND, you will probably only get ONE kidney, so you would have to be that much more careful. AND, I have NO idea how long it may take to find a kidney that matches well enough. Being high on the list only means that you are more likely to get the next one that matches. People lower on the list might actually get a kidney first.

    As I said though, I really hope all goes well for you. It would be nice just waking up and realizing that you may NEVER have to deal with dialysis again! 8-)

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Ah, one of my biggest fears is that for antirejection drugs they give you certain steroids, which,the only time before that I have had them cause me to have what they called acute steroidal psychosis,which in my case means I lost my mind for 3 days. Of course,I think I have mentioned this before, but that was also how and when they diagnosed me with kidney failure. Some have even suggested in the past that its possible the stearoids are what cause my kidney failure. I don't know and even if so I couldn't prove it.
    But the bottom line is you are right, it would/will be a blessing to wake up and know I don't have to do dialysis.
    But, strange as this sounds, one thing I often tell my wife I miss is just being able to gulp down a big glass of ice water.
    It is true at times that its the little things you miss.
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    Kim,
    best of luck and if there's anything we can do to help out - you know we're there for you. Its what family is for.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Thank you Jack. Got to say the laugh you gave me in another thread today was probably the highlight of my day today!
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    You're welcomed Kim - everyone - except Jim (my old boss) - usually enjoys that story.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kimw,

    Steroids come in all types. HECK, steroid basically means sterol like. And sterols are more important than you might think. Heck, look at what wikipedia says about one that has a BAD reputation:

    Cholesterol

    Cholesterol is a waxy steroid metabolite found in the cell membranes and transported in the blood plasma of all animals.[2] It is an essential structural component of mammalian cell membranes, where it is required to establish proper membrane permeability and fluidity. In addition, cholesterol is an important component for the manufacture of bile acids, steroid hormones, and fat-soluble vitamins including Vitamin A, Vitamin D, Vitamin E, and Vitamin K. Cholesterol is the principal sterol synthesized by animals,
    So don't think that all steroids will affect you so bad. HECK, you need them to even live.

    And yeah, I know what you mean about water.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    In retrospect it looks like I made this thread for myself. but honestly, I was just trying to spread the word about the National Kidney Foundation , and I got links to the video and the song almost at the same time, so I thought to myself..Kismet!
    In reality, both the National Kidney foundation and The American Kidney Fund have helped me beyong words over the past few years. If it wasn't for The American Kidney Fund I would not have health insurance. When my wife got laid off I had to get my insurance COBRAed in,and The American Kidney Fund pays the insurance premium for me. I probably owe them my life. I hope I get a transplant before it runs out because I won't be able to afford it otherwise!
    All I can say is forgive me if I get overzealous in spreading the word at times,because I am grateful to these organizations,and to everyone that helps support them.
    To everyone that has wished me well over the years, I can never say thank you enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      All I can say is forgive me if I get overzealous in spreading the word at times,because I am grateful to these organizations,and to everyone that helps support them.
      Hey Kim, I don't know your story, I have read a bit, enough to know that you are very ill, and need this transplant. I am unable to view the videos. I also clicked on your Facebook link. There was a problem with it. If you could let us know what we can do to help, that would be great. I donate to the Canadian Kidney Foundation as I live in Canada, and have signed my donor card, but that doesn't help you. A former co-worker of mine is on dialysis. He has to travel 4 hours a day to receive his treatment.

      As for sounding overzealous, you deserve that right! You sound grateful, optimistic and positive....keep that mindset and keep up the good fight.

      You are in my thoughts and prayers.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        Hey Kim, I don't know your story, I have read a bit, enough to know that you are very ill, and need this transplant. I am unable to view the videos. I also clicked on your Facebook link. There was a problem with it. If you could let us know what we can do to help, that would be great. I donate to the Canadian Kidney Foundation as I live in Canada, and have signed my donor card, but that doesn't help you. A former co-worker of mine is on dialysis. He has to travel 4 hours a day to receive his treatment.

        As for sounding overzealous, you deserve that right! You sound grateful, optimistic and positive....keep that mindset and keep up the good fight.

        You are in my thoughts and prayers.
        waterotter

        I don't know why the facebook link doesn't work,but if you want.PM me and I'll give you the email to find me. I do most of my health updates there now instead of the blog,getting lazy at times I guess.

        Your friend must have long days if he has to travel that far PLUS do the treatment. I hope for the best for him/her too.

        And thank you for the good thoughts!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kim - you've been a friend to each of us, too, at one time or another - take your thread and fly with it. You deserve it. I so hope that kidney comes through for you soon. I'd like to see you walk out of your house for a week vacation and not have to worry about going anywhere and getting hooked up. It's a freedom that we all take so very much for granted and I hope it's yours too again real soon. I might not be one to pray, but I sure know how to pitch some good energy at someone when they need it. So if you feel something hit you, it won't be a rock. Um....not from here anyhow.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kimw,

    I think we ALL realized it was general. But, outside of a general donation of money, or risking our OWN health to be a live donor, or being a regular donor after we die, there isn't much we can do. So we can realize there is a need, agree, and wish YOU the best in YOUR case.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, I didn't even bother to answer that. Often one with an illness may become a bit of an expert in it. So it is reasonable and almost expected that kimw really knows about kidney function, dialysis, and insurance problems.

    But HEY, calling it to another's attention certainly isn't out of line. Overzealous? NOPE! It isn't like you are harping on it, etc...

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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Yeah, I didn't even bother to answer that. Often one with an illness may become a bit of an expert in it. So it is reasonable and almost expected that kimw really knows about kidney function, dialysis, and insurance problems.

      But HEY, calling it to another's attention certainly isn't out of line. Overzealous? NOPE! It isn't like you are harping on it, etc...

      Steve
      Did I offend somebody? It certainly was not my intent.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        Did I offend somebody? It certainly was not my intent.
        No, I just wanted to make it clear I agreed with you. Sorry, if it sounded otherwise.

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author savingstuffnow
    The second video kinda makes me sad, but love it. And the first video kinda shows how many people suffer but are not really recognized due to the lack of concern for this illness.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The REALLY sad part is that kidneys are so important. And they are more important than people think!!!!! And that is saying a lot! And YET, they are one of the easiest to destroy. A LOT of new drugs are being blamed for damaging the kidneys.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve -- advil is the number one cause of kidney failure in the US, along with other fake asprin drugs. You think that might be reason for the FDA to pull them off the shelves? Guess again. Instead they are spending money hiding little facts like the one above from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I may have said this before, but NO headache medicine EVER worked for me! A doctor prescribed one to me, and I told him FORGET IT! IT WON'T WORK!

    He said I was "taking it wrong". My problem? I FOLLOWED DIRECTIONS! OH SURE, BOTH had the SAME directions, whether OTC or prescription, take TWO tablets! But the prescription had tablets TWICE the size.

    I have suffered through headaches since, even though IT WORKED! WHY? It can cause liver and kidney damage!

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, I may have said this before, but NO headache medicine EVER worked for me! A doctor prescribed one to me, and I told him FORGET IT! IT WON'T WORK!

      He said I was "taking it wrong". My problem? I FOLLOWED DIRECTIONS! OH SURE, BOTH had the SAME directions, whether OTC or prescription, take TWO tablets! But the prescription had tablets TWICE the size.

      I have suffered through headaches since, even though IT WORKED! WHY? It can cause liver and kidney damage!

      Steve
      Steve, have you ever tried Willow bark?
      Willow bark
      Not saying it would defiantly work for you, but it may be worth looking into.
      1,3, and 4 sucked for me
      Only thing good was I'm not diabetic or have high blood pressure, and I'm not in any of the risk groups.
      But then I also know that things like diseases can't read, so they don't always follow the guide lines.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Steve, have you ever tried Willow bark?
        Willow bark
        Not saying it would defiantly work for you, but it may be worth looking into.
        Oddly, I believe I have. But the active ingredient in willow bark is salicylates! That is what ASPIRIN is made of. Interestingly, just YESTERDAY, I was talking about how the ECA stack has changed, etc.... The E stands for Ephedra! C is for caffeine. Want to guess what the A is for!?!?!? YEP, Aspirin! Well, though I was talking about the E, MANY versions have guarana for the caffeine, and WILLOWS BARK for the aspirin.

        1,3, and 4 sucked for me
        Only thing good was I'm not diabetic or have high blood pressure, and I'm not in any of the risk groups.
        But then I also know that things like diseases can't read, so they don't always follow the guide lines.
        Yeah, 1 IS SCARY! 3 and 4 are bad ALSO!

        OK, time for an anecdote! When I was a baby, at one point I was supposedly VERY sleepy. My mother somehow found that if she gave me aspirin, it would keep me awake. The story goes that she kept feeding me aspirin and took me to all the doctors. Eventually, one doctor told her what the cure to the "disease" was! The cure was to STOP FEEDING ME ASPIRIN! He said that if she kept doing that that it would destroy my kidneys! BTW he was a urologist, so I guess he knew what he was talking about!

        BTW I just checked out your link, and it reminded me: Metoprolol (Lopressor, Toprol-XL),(blood-thinning medications)! I am taking BOTH! So It is contraindicated. LUCKILY, today most headaches I have are due to some deficiency, which can be corrected by eating, multivitamins, or a good calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement, or they are due to an illness which the same things will HELP. THERE HAVE been some, like strain under some circumstances, that can't be so easily fixed. Oh well, C'est la vie!

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Hey Kim, I'm ready for another good read! I know the articles you post are legit, so please keep them coming.

          Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Ah what the heck, here is a link to the other great organization I am thankful for.

    Kidney Disease, Kidney Stones, Kidney Failure - American Kidney Fund (AKF)
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    Thanks waterotter,good to see I got a reader! lol.
    On the personal front, I was just declared 20 months cancer free on Monday,which means in 4 months I can go back on the active transplant list.
    I don't have the article handy, but I did post one in the past about how drinking soda on a regular basis can contribute to developing kidney damage, and if I remember correctly, it especially applied to women. You might want to google that for some reading when you find yourself bored.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Thanks waterotter,good to see I got a reader! lol.
      On the personal front, I was just declared 20 months cancer free on Monday,which means in 4 months I can go back on the active transplant list.
      I don't have the article handy, but I did post one in the past about how drinking soda on a regular basis can contribute to developing kidney damage, and if I remember correctly, it especially applied to women. You might want to google that for some reading when you find yourself bored.
      Hey Kim, Congrats, that's fantastic news, albeit I didn't know about the cancer. Please continue to post on this thread, keep us informed, and continue to educate us! I guess kidney disease is much like some forms of cancer, you just don't know you have it until a doctor tells you so. I hope they have a healthy kidney/kidneys for you when the time comes.

      Thoughts and prayers are with you always.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Best of luck Kim, I wouldn't worry that much about the operation if I were you. Kidney transplants are so routine now that it is regarded as a relatively minor operation compared to other transplants such as heart, lung, liver and bone marrow.

    The risk of Post-op infections and graft rejection are much better lower now and long term graft survival is now the norm. Just make sure that you keep yourself as physically and mentally fit as possible.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Best of luck Kim, I wouldn't worry that much about the operation if I were you. Kidney transplants are so routine now that it is regarded as a relatively minor operation compared to other transplants such as heart, lung, liver and bone marrow.

      The risk of Post-op infections and graft rejection are much better lower now and long term graft survival is now the norm. Just make sure that you keep yourself as physically and mentally fit as possible.

      Derek
      It's also SIMPLER! LESS scarring, and they don't have to rip you apart like they did with ME! With ME, they had to remove a muscle(which is now gone FOREVER), put me on bypass, cut through my sternum, opened my rib cage, cut into the pericardium.

      With the kidney operation, they pretty much START were I left off just there. If I were a surgeon, I would consider the entire kidney transplant simpler and less nerve-wracking that what I just described, and that was where MY operation basically started!

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    Thanks Derek.
    Other than the normal fear of any operation, my biggest fear is having an adverse reaction to the anti rejection drugs. One of the main ones they give you is the very same medication that caused me to have phychosis.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Kim. I had no idea. I can't even begin to tell you how I feel right now.

      You've become one of my favorite people here over the past year. Our
      common interests in music had a lot to do with that.

      I don't know what to say.

      Folks, when you think you have it tough, trust me, there is always somebody
      else who has it worse.

      Kim, I'll be praying real hard for you. I wish I could do more, but right now,
      that's all I have.

      Talk about a kick in the gut for a Monday morning.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steven,
    Thanks for your thoughts.
    The past few years has actually made me very thankful for a lot of things in my life that I took for granted before.
    I guess one of the effects of it though has been that I have become a cheerleader for getting knowledge of kidney failure out to others.
    And I am sure at times others here get tired of me talking about it,lol.
    But for me, to go from being a healthy individual (for the most part) to someone that has a machine keeing them alive every day in a matter of a few years was quite a journey, both physically and mentally.
    The things I have shared with you here (all my WF friends) have been only the tip of the iceberg.If I told you everything, you would think I was making it up! BUt it is the little things that keep me going.
    And of course, all my WF friends add to my day,those I already know and those I'm yet to make.
    PS: Hey Steven, you do know this is Wednesaday and not Monday, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      PS: Hey Steven, you do know this is Wednesaday and not Monday, right?
      :slaps head: Duh! It's the first of the month, which means I have to start
      my monthly business stuff. That makes it feel like the first day of the week.

      Honestly, when you work from home, you don't know what day it is.

      They're all the same. :slaps head again:

      Anyway, I will be praying for you big time my friend. You are one of the
      real bright spots around here.

      And maybe this will give you some hope. I don't normally make this
      public but in your case I will.

      I had been chronically ill for a good 20 years. Nothing life threatening, but
      quality of life was, well, let's just say it could have been a lot better. I
      even ended up in emergency several times because of my problems.

      Suddenly, and I'm not really sure why, 4 weeks ago the symptoms stopped.

      I've been pain free and living a normal life since. I don't know if it will last,
      but I am taking each day one at a time and being thankful for every single
      one of them. I'm able to travel again and do things I couldn't do for a
      very long time. I might even make it to one of those stupid IM seminars
      so you all can get a look at my ugly mug.

      Point is, I had given up hope. After 20 years, you do that.

      Hopefully, this will give you something to hang onto.

      Besides who am I going to knock heads with in music minutia if not you?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Wow steven,

    If you ever want to PM with with details, I'd be curious. You NEVER know! I had a SIMILAR thing happen. when you have a REAL bad back, some might think bad ****BACK**** and never consider the symptoms. I had a REAL bad back which meant that my back might hurt, certainly, but it also sent pain down my legs, practically paralyzed me, sent pain through my arms, wrists, and even gave me headaches. LUCKILY, a physical therapist knew what he was doing, and relieved MOST of the symptoms to some degree. Every few years I had to FIGHT to get that relief back. I have been pain free, at least from the back related problems, for YEARS!

    BTW my bad back first presented as something like CTS, but it was on the OTHER side of my wrist!

    But yeah, all sorts of things happen and sometimes the simplest little thing can be a BIG problem. Like the guy on house that was paralyzed, wanted to die, etc... and house found it was a little growth into his spine that couldn't even be seen with the MRI! Or the girl that seemed to be a dwarf and have TONS of problems, and it was a growth into the pituitary. It would have been obvious if her mother hadn't been a dwarf.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Wow steven,

      If you ever want to PM with with details, I'd be curious.
      Actually, I can tell you and everybody what I've done. Not sure what it was
      that made the difference.

      What I suffered from was a totally screwed up digestive system to the point
      where there were days the pain was unbearable.

      So, I did the following:

      1. I completely changed my diet. I gave up just about everything that
      people would consider bad for you. My diet is very bland and contains
      very few foods. Only thing I drink is water.

      2. I started taking vitamins and supplements.

      3. I started taking these herbs and things. Not even sure what all the
      ingredients are for them.

      Now mind you, I didn't see results for years. At least nothing significant.

      Then all of a sudden, one day, I noticed something was different.

      That was over 4 weeks ago. My digestive system is now close to text
      book normal.

      Why?

      I honestly have no idea as like I said, I had been doing these things for
      years. Maybe it just took that long for them to undo all the damage I had
      done through years of really bad eating.

      Anyway, that's the big secret...not much of one at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well steven....

    If I were you I would check EVERYTHING I did.

    It is possible that you took that long to detox, etc... OR it could be a change of cleaners or soap, or the fact that you are older or got used to whatever, OR, someone could have changed something in what you are taking. WHO KNOWS! HECK, I used to know ALL ABOUT the various vitamins. NOW, they have a couple more, cofactors, etc... Earlier, those were likely NOT in vitamin tablets. NOW, some ARE! Of course, I don't think the average tablet changed THAT much in the past few years, though some MAY have.

    And HERBS? Sometimes those DO change a LOT! Some herbs, for example, are used because they work, but NOT reliably! THEN, they find active ingredients and refine them, and may add those ingredients, or replace the whole product. Sometimes a supplier won't supply a given ingredient, so they go elsewhere and get a SIMILAR one. SOMETIMES the law forces a change!

    ALL of this, using just the herb, then adding concentrates, then replacing, getting a similar product, and the LAW forcing a change, happened with ephedra, for example!

    And what of diet drinks? They USED to have like saccarine, then they had other sweetners. NOW, WHO KNOWS!? SOME have 3 or 4 DIFFERENT ones, in the SAME BOTTLE!

    So try reading the labels closer, because you might have improved because they changed something, and they might change back.

    USUALLY the type of change you are talking about would happen in like a month or less, so you ARE likely missing something.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Pedro Ferreira
    Hey Kim, just posting to wish you all the best

    I don't post much in the forum, but I sure read a lot and you seem like a really nice guy.

    I'm sending you my good vibes buddy. Hope you get better
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