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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riseing

Awww this was a good method -.-

A good method for what?

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Originally Posted by KimW

A good method for what?

I was wondering the same thing ...
Good method for prostitution?

Originally Posted by IncomePowerBoost

I am not for or against this but adult classifieds appear in most newpapers classifieds aswell. This seems like its more "politcally" or "public Pressure" if it wasnt they would also have to sue the major newspapers and other place that host these these types of ads

That's one of the major points in the article and I agree ... why Craigslist and not everyone else who runs adult or erotic services ads?

Personally, I won't cry over it, but it does not seem fair.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Because they are number one. They are THE site for for adult sex and, oh by the way, it might be underage or child prostitution sex.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

why Craigslist and not everyone else who runs adult or erotic services ads?

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Ken Strong

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Because they are number one. They are THE site for for adult sex and, oh by the way, it might be underage or child prostitution sex.

So what's wrong with adult sex? Why is the government involved with persecuting and prosecuting what consenting adults are doing in private anyway? Just like with other kinds of prohibition, much of the violence and sleazy behavior stems directly from the criminalization of the activity. The "cure" is much worse than the so-called "disease."

I watched the two videos posted above, and the reporter just confirmed what we already know -- the sex ads in Craigslist are for paid sex. But she kept throwing in loaded terms like "trafficking" and references to children. In the second video, she talked to one anonymous women who claimed that Craigslist had been involved. That's hardly an epidemic. Why hasn't Craigslist been charged with anything yet, if they're so culpable?

That's so typical of sexual attitudes in this country -- news outlets run these kinds of stories so people can be shocked, offended, self-righteous, and secretly titillated all at the same time.

Why stop at Craigslist? The sex ads will just find another site to appear on. We need to shut down the entire Internet. That'll get rid of prostitution for good, seeing as how it didn't exist before the Internet came into popular use.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

The problem is that Craigslist isn't monitoring them in any way, which they claimed to be doing. I don't think the words "trafficking" and "children" are loaded terms. Just the simple truth of what happens. If both participants are consenting adults that wouldn't be much of a problem in my personal opinion, but out of the millions of ads that go on the site, how many do you think are placed by underage children and/or pimps? I don't think it is a small amount.

The government is us, whether it screws up or does a good job. They should be involved when it comes to protecting children and women who are being taken advantage of.

Originally Posted by KenStrong

So what's wrong with adult sex? Why is the government involved with persecuting and prosecuting what consenting adults are doing in private anyway? Just like with other kinds of prohibition, much of the violence and sleazy behavior stems directly from the criminalization of the activity. The "cure" is much worse than the so-called "disease."

I watched the two videos posted above, and the reporter just confirmed what we already know -- the sex ads in Craigslist are for paid sex. But she kept throwing in loaded terms like "trafficking" and references to children. In the second video, she talked to one anonymous women who claimed that Craigslist had been involved. That's hardly an epidemic. Why hasn't Craigslist been charged with anything yet, if they're so culpable?

That's so typical of sexual attitudes in this country -- news outlets run these kinds of stories so people can be shocked, offended, self-righteous, and secretly titillated all at the same time.

Why stop at Craigslist? The sex ads will just find another site to appear on. We need to shut down the entire Internet. That'll get rid of prostitution for good, seeing as how it didn't exist before the Internet came into popular use.

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ThomM 14 years ago

but out of the millions of ads that go on the site, how many do you think are placed by underage children and/or pimps? I don't think it is a small amount.

Tim we can think whatever we want, how many ads where proved to be placed by underage children or pimps? Where are the facts?
I've never used CraigsList for anything. In fact I only go to the site when someone on a different forum posts a motorcycle for sale link.
But using speculation amounts to nothing more then a witch hunt.
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- TimPhelan 14 years ago
  
  The FBI and local police have been investigating this for years. Want some numbers? here's a couple:
  
  "Police have nabbed nearly 70 girls under the age of 18 since 2005"
  
  Child prostitutes sell themselves on Craigslist - CNN
  
  "The FBI found more than 2,800 child prostitution ads posted on craigslist"
  
  Lawsuit accuses craigslist of promoting prostitution - CNN
  
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  Tim we can think whatever we want, how many ads where proved to be placed by underage children or pimps? Where are the facts?
  
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Patrician

14 years ago

I never used to care ('to each his own') but since everyday I have to get disgusted just looking at my spam inbox from the sicko porn industry, I wish they were all dead.

They have the right to do whatever they want, but I don't have the right to not be subjected to their filth since they want to shove it down everybody's throat.

So that's not fair.

Where's my rights?

Off with their heads -

That would be fair.

(Craigslist is a victim of their own success - the perverts have always been in 'the shadows' in every adult classified in every newspaper - but Craigslist took it to a new level since they are so 'big' and brought it out into the light for everybody to see).

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14 years ago

Well, how the hell do they expect me to get lai......uhhhh, oh, never mind.

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Vincenzo Oliva

14 years ago

I applaud Craiglist for making a move to protect their reputation. Those smut peddlers should stick to the back pages of the local nightlife newspaper. Craiglist will drive away their core listers if they become over run with porn peddlers and prostitutes..

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Originally Posted by Vincenzo Oliva

I applaud Craiglist for making a move to protect their reputation. Those smut peddlers should stick to the back pages of the local nightlife newspaper. Craiglist will drive away their core listers if they become over run with porn peddlers and prostitutes..

Craigslist did not do this to protect their "reputation". They charged for the adult services ads and it accounted for 1/3 of their income from the site. They did it only because 7 district attorneys were after them.

The change comes as the service faces growing pressure in the U.S. over sex services advertised on its classifieds network, as well as allegations that it abets human sex trafficking. While most of the listings on Craigslist are free, it charges $10 to post ads in its adult services section.

Police routinely conduct prostitution sting operations using its listings, as have some media outlets such as CNN, which has made it something of a mission to highlight the issue (see below). Wired.com has also reported on the problem.

The stakes were raised again last week when Craigslist received a letter from 17 state attorneys general demanding the company immediately shut down its adult services listing, citing the case of two girls who said last month that they were trafficked for sex through the site.

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Kay King

14 years ago

One of the uglier charges is that CL is also being used for trafficking, abuse of women and prostituting of children. CL has not said the shut down is permanent and the group of attorneys general say they have other papers and websites targeted for action, too.

CL removed the link in the US only after a lot of pressure. If they cared about the problem, they'd remove the section entirely.

The question to me - if it's wrong to exploit people in the U.S. - why is it OK to exploit people in other countries?

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Ken Strong 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

One of the uglier charges is that CL is also being used for trafficking, abuse of women and prostituting of children.

Has there been any evidence of this? I looked over a bunch of the news stories concerning this and all I can find is that a bunch of busybodies and grandstanding politicians have grabbed onto this issue for their own reasons.

I don't see any "charges" in a legal sense, or even any allegations about any specific incidents. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion about sex for pay, but I got a problem with witch hunts by these people who either have ulterior motives or no business of their own to mind.
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- TimPhelan 14 years ago
  
  Craigslist: "The Wall-mart of child sex trafficking". Craig perhaps is the king pimp and has no answers.
  
  YouTube- Craigslist and the sex trade
  
  Follow up story which mentions a 11 year old victims side of the story. This isn't a "witch hunt". It's real and Craigslist has made a substantial amount of money off of this prostitution, whether it's adult or child. If the US Attorney General had any guts they would go after this site now and close it down and put some people in jail:
  
  YouTube- 'Men paid to rape me' via Craigslist
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

CL removed the link in the US only after a lot of pressure. If they cared about the problem, they'd remove the section entirely.

The question to me - if it's wrong to exploit people in the U.S. - why is it OK to exploit people in other countries?

It's probably not worth the bother: The most popular advertising sites across the world tend to be national ones (since it's easier to buy-and-sell stuff to people in your own country). In that context, Craigslist is pretty much an America-only website. It doesn't feature as a popular site in other countries at all. I know there are international links on the homepage but, if you check them out, there's nothing but tumbleweed blowing through virtually all of them.

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KenThompson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

They did it only because 7 district attorneys were after them.

7 ambitious DA's moving up the ladder, eye-balling a political
run maybe. I'd probably support CL before any DA, anyday.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Now what's Ken going to do as "Delaware's #4 Rated Weekend Sr. Male Gigolo"?

And to think that AARP discount he gives was really starting to improve his bottom line...

What? There are NO AARP discounts. Not ever.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Now what's Ken going to do as "Delaware's #4 Rated Weekend Sr. Male Gigolo"?

And to think that AARP discount he gives was really starting to improve his bottom line...

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Ads for prostitution and erotic services still visible on Craigslist

Ads for prostitution and erotic services still visible on Craigslist

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KenThompson

14 years ago

How long has this been going on with CL? This is a relatively new
development? Yes?

I assume CL ads for prostitution will still be available for people in
Nevada? Just wondering...

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

How long has this been going on with CL? This is a relatively new
development? Yes?

I assume CL ads for prostitution will still be available for people in
Nevada? Just wondering...

Ken

Prostitution isn't legal everywhere in Nevada. As a matter of fact, it's illegal in Clark County (Las Vegas), which is bigger than the state of Delaware.

And, it's against the law for the legal brothels to advertise...

Why? Thinking about a move from Delaware's #4 rated weekend senior male gigolo to Nevada?

BTW, congrats on Murray and Walter both passing away last month, so you could move up to #4.

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Gary Pettit

14 years ago

Craigslist can do what they want. It's a free country. If they want to succumb to the pressure of the Sensational Media--that is way way way more concerned about ratings and the atrocity of crimes (especially against children), than they are about the children they are sensationalizing--that's their business.
Several good points were made in this thread. But my bottom line is: All the sensational journalism is counter-productive, leading people to be looking one direction (at one supposed Predator, and the false sense of security that comes from that), when the real danger is coming from somewhere you're not looking.
Read "The Crucible" again. This is the nature and inevitable result of any witchhunt.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

I don't see this as being a case of the media being sensational. Actually, I would say it is one of the better examples of good journalism. Plus, I don't get the witch-hunt comparison. This isn't a witch-hunt.

Originally Posted by sparkie2260

Craigslist can do what they want. It's a free country. If they want to succumb to the pressure of the Sensational Media--that is way way way more concerned about ratings and the atrocity of crimes (especially against children), than they are about the children they are sensationalizing--that's their business.
Several good points were made in this thread. But my bottom line is: All the sensational journalism is counter-productive, leading people to be looking one direction (at one supposed Predator, and the false sense of security that comes from that), when the real danger is coming from somewhere you're not looking.
Read "The Crucible" again. This is the nature and inevitable result of any witchhunt.

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HeySal

14 years ago

I would think that having ads posted on a site like this would help the authorities draw the child traffickers out into the open. Saying they exist because of Craigslist is just crazy. Let them post where they can be found and prosecuted. Sure beats having to try to hunt them down in cities where they hide and conduct their business unseen. Driving any of them back underground that might be stupid enough to post on the Net is not a real bright idea if these criminals are going to be apprehended.

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KenThompson

14 years ago

Tim, this isn't directed toward you. It's just the information
and what it implies, possibly - if it implies anything.

So the deds have been investigating this for (at least) 5 years?
And they knew about underage girls for that long, yet nothing
was done, maybe - it seems, until now?

Something just doesn't seem right about all of this. Come on,
tell me that all passes the mental sniff test that they have
allowed - yes, the deds have allowed this to continue for 5 yrs,
minimum, and now there's what ever action about to happen.

That makes me want to scream BS more than ever.

The skids could have been put on CL and these ads 5 years
ago. The fools from law school could have enlisted the help of
CL so they could maybe perform other legitimate activities.

This doesn't smell right to me. But what the hell.

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ThomM 14 years ago

The FBI found more than 2,800 child prostitution ads posted on craigslist, with Chicago, Illinois, in the top 10 cities for juvenile prostitution, Dart said.

Interesting the article said they found over 2,800 ads, but didn't say how many arrests where made.
I agree with Ken and Sal on this.
First something doesn't add up.
And second if the police know all this for a fact, why aren't they using the information instead of trying to eliminate what seems to be a golden opportunity to get these people off the streets.
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Patrician

14 years ago

You know this thread is a lot like politics and why nothing is ever accomplished.

#1 - The issue is lost in all the BS in the name of some delusional, self-righteous defenders of freedom WHILE THE FRICKING COUNTRY GOES DOWN THE TUBES and I do mean CESSPOOL.

#2 - The ISSUE is sexual perversion, child molestation, illegal prostitution and human traffic-ing -- and I hardly think that it is important to protect anybody who participates in these 'rights'.

#3 - The ISSUE is that we need to protect our children and our society in general - if that means stepping on some BS perceived rights then that is the cost of keeping some kind of decency in the world.

"FREEDOM IS NOT LICENSE"

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

You know this thread is a lot like politics and why nothing is ever accomplished.

#1 - The issue is lost in all the BS in the name of some delusional, self-righteous defenders of freedom WHILE THE FRICKING COUNTRY GOES DOWN THE TUBES and I do mean CESSPOOL.

#2 - The ISSUE is sexual perversion, child molestation, illegal prostitution and human traffic-ing -- and I hardly think that it is important to protect anybody who participates in these 'rights'.

#3 - The ISSUE is that we need to protect our children and our society in general - if that means stepping on some BS perceived rights then that is the cost of keeping some kind of decency in the world.

"FREEDOM IS NOT LICENSE"

Pat like I said in my last post. If the FBI found more then 2,800 ads for child prostitution, why don't we know of any arrests?
All I'm saying is if it's as bad as they say, they should be arresting these people.
And like Sal said they should be using Craigslist to find these people and stop them. It has nothing to do with trying to protect freedom of speech, it has to do with doing the right thing.
Just shutting down Craigslist ad section doesn't stop the problem.
All it does is make some lame DA's looking like they are being pro active when all they are doing is trying to look like they are doing something before an election.
Doesn't it make more sense to leave that section of Craigslist there and instead gathering evidence and arresting the people posting the type of ads in question.
Closing that section of Craigslist isn't going to stop them, it's just going to make those people harder to find.

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Patrician

14 years ago

I hear you there Thom - However I am speaking to the people that completely evade the issue and get their panties in a bunch about every thing but the point. Like 'well they are going to do it anyway' - or 'well they always did it'.

... yeh but why give them carte blanche and filthy up the news waves even worse than they are?

Then again about using it to police them, I sometimes wonder if it really so wonderful to entrap people - something seems unethical about that - (although I do get a huge kick out of that new show about bait cars where they have cars with cameras in them and then people steal them and can't get out and stuff. hehehehehehe it's a real riot - but then we are not talking about filthy stinking perverts - just crooks.

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Pat like I said in my last post. If the
Doesn't it make more sense to leave that section of Craigslist there and instead gathering evidence and arresting the people posting the type of ads in question.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

I hear you there Thom - However I am speaking to the people that completely evade the issue and get their panties in a bunch about every thing but the point. Like 'well they are going to do it anyway' - or 'well they always did it'.

... yeh but why give them carte blanche and filthy up the news waves even worse than they are?

Then again about using it to police them, I sometimes wonder if it really so wonderful to entrap people - something seems unethical about that - (although I do get a huge kick out of that new show about bait cars where they have cars with cameras in them and then people steal them and can't get out and stuff. hehehehehehe it's a real riot - but then we are not talking about filthy stinking perverts - just crooks.

I'm not a fan of entrapment myself Pat (and yes I like that bait car show

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But I don't see this as entrapment, and even if it is, so what.
The people running these things and using underage girls and boys for sex and profit don't have any rights as far as I'm concerned.
If they want to take away the rights of the children they use, they lost any rights they had, period.
Speaking as a man who has had a hand in raising 4 girls, I can tell you if anyone tried that with my girls the only right they would have is the right to be dead.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

That 2,800 was just one operation in 2009. If you want to see arrests, Google "sex arrests craigslist" and you will see 4,350,000 results to go through.

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Pat like I said in my last post. If the FBI found more then 2,800 ads for child prostitution, why don't we know of any arrests?
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  That 2,800 was just one operation in 2009. If you want to see arrests, Google "sex arrests craigslist" and you will see 4,350,000 results to go through.
  
  As long as they are arresting them that that is a good thing.
  I still don't think they should shut down that section of Craigslist though.
  I mean if they know they are there, go after them there.
  All shutting down that section and for that matter the publicity it has gotten is tell the bad guys it's time to go somewhere else.
  Then the police have to waste time finding them again, and you can be sure there won't be as many in one place again.
  That's why I find this so stupid and suspicious (happening right before an election).
  If it's all over the news don't you think the bad guys are already shifting their operations somewhere else?
  
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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

You know this thread is a lot like politics and why nothing is ever accomplished.

#1 - The issue is lost in all the BS in the name of some delusional, self-righteous defenders of freedom WHILE THE FRICKING COUNTRY GOES DOWN THE TUBES and I do mean CESSPOOL.

#2 - The ISSUE is sexual perversion, child molestation, illegal prostitution and human traffic-ing -- and I hardly think that it is important to protect anybody who participates in these 'rights'.

#3 - The ISSUE is that we need to protect our children and our society in general - if that means stepping on some BS perceived rights then that is the cost of keeping some kind of decency in the world.

"FREEDOM IS NOT LICENSE"

Sorry Pat, but I can't put prostitution in the same category as child molestation or human trafficing. Not even close.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

I have to agree with that also. Prostitution in my opinion should be made legal and regulated just as with drugs.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Sorry Pat, but I can't put prostitution in the same category as child molestation or human trafficing. Not even close.
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14 years ago

If Craigslist were smart, they could portray themselves as just a "medium" like youtube, google, and the rest do. Because it's not actually craigslist that makes the posts. Just like it's not youtube that puts up the porn videos that sometimes gets through.

However, it's becoming apparent that craigslist wants to turn a blind eye to their problem, instead of actively police it. If they'd at least pretend like they didn't want the bad ads there, then they might actually get away w/ it, like youtube does.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Actually, Youtube does a lot of self policing. It's not only the sex either. They are pretty quick to take off copywrited material if the artist makes a point of telling them they don't want it there.

Originally Posted by garyv

If Craigslist were smart, they could portray themselves as just a "medium" like youtube, google, and the rest do. Because it's not actually craigslist that makes the posts. Just like it's not youtube that puts up the porn videos that sometimes gets through.

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Patrician

14 years ago

I hear that too Thom.

The only thing I can say without getting in trouble here is that "The night is far advanced, and the day has drawn near. Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the weapons of light."

They are already dead, none the less, nothing better to look forward to than seeing them as crispy critters burning in the lake of fire (very very slowly).

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14 years ago

Kurt and Tim - you are certainly entitled to your opinions. So am I and I put all fornication in one box. Get married if you need a hooker. LOL.

There are issues and then there are issues. One of mine is dysfunctional families that are often created when there is sex outside of marriage - been there done that -- I came from a 'broken home' and raised a son in my own 'broken' home. Now I know better, so better late than never (only sorta since all the harm has already been done)

I think however this particular issue is about child prostitution so in this case they are one in the same.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

haha. That one made me really LOL.

Hey, I'm basically agreeing with you on this one Pat. The child prostitution and trafficking I mean.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Kurt and Tim - you are certainly entitled to your opinions. So am I and I put all fornication in one box. Get married if you need a hooker. LOL.

There are issues and then there are issues. One of mine is dysfunctional families that are often created when there is sex outside of marriage - been there done that -- I came from a 'broken home' and raised a son in my own 'broken' home. Now I know better, so better late than never (only sorta since all the harm has already been done)

I think however this particular issue is about child prostitution so in this case they are one in the same.

I strongly disagree with putting "all fornication in one box". To me there's a HUGE difference between two grown people agreeing to sex, even for money, than someone abusing a child or selling a person.

And one of my big issues is for people to stay out of the personal lives of others and not be judgemental when their actions don't affect anyone else. (And many of us have also had tough lives.)

Freedom of speech and freedom of choice isn't for the things we agree with, it's for the things we don't agree with. And there's a big difference between tolerance and encouragement.

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KenThompson

14 years ago

Interesting points and attitudes. I've only advertised on CL a handful
of times, and no Melvin - not my DE business activities (smartass). In
the past I've run ads for freelance writing, etc.

But this really amazes me about CL because the one thought that keeps
coming to mind is, "Who's minding the store?"

Apparently no one, or I would hope they didn't know there were ads
for child prostitution. But, how could they not know? This all really kinda
blows me away. If they did know, then I would have to reverse my loose
opinion about them and recommend closing them down.

But that's about child prostitution which seems like it's not the only issue
with CL. Putting all fornication, including child prostitution, in one box
is anyone's prerogative, of course.

But like was said, this is one of those issues where in the end people have
different opinions and feelings, and the only thing that's accomplished is
people sharing opinions and feelings. But I guess it's like sitting around
over a cup of coffee in the WF.

Kurt, I'll be #2 before next summer.

Ken