Scientists Discover Planet With "100 Percent" Chance Of Containing Life

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This is pretty cool. Scientsts have found a planet that sits in the "Goldilocks Zone" as far as its potential for harboring life:

Could 'Goldilocks' planet be just right for life? - Yahoo! News

"Scientists have jumped the gun before on proclaiming that planets outside our solar system were habitable only to have them turn out to be not quite so conducive to life. But this one is so clearly in the right zone that five outside astronomers told The Associated Press it seems to be the real thing.

"This is the first one I'm truly excited about," said Penn State University's Jim Kasting. He said this planet is a "pretty prime candidate" for harboring life.

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It's unknown whether water actually exists on the planet, and what kind of atmosphere it has. But because conditions are ideal for liquid water, and because there always seems to be life on Earth where there is water, (Steven) Vogt believes "that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent.

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The planet circles a star called Gliese 581. It's about 120 trillion miles away, so it would take several generations for a spaceship to get there. It may seem like a long distance, but in the scheme of the vast universe, this planet is "like right in our face, right next door to us," Vogt said in an interview.

That close proximity and the way it was found so early in astronomers' search for habitable planets hints to scientists that planets like Earth are probably not that rare."
  • Profile picture of the author GrahamHobbs
    I checked out the video from the same site. Very interesting stuff. Given that some top retired Air Force brass held a press conference a few days ago covering their own encounters with extra terrestrial life - hanging out around US missile silos, I think this whole topic is really getting fascinating. Thanks for the heads up on this!
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  • Profile picture of the author mavericace
    For the first time, astronomers have spotted a cosy alien planet that might be hospitable to life. The planet is not much bigger than the Earth, and it enjoys balmy temperatures of about 20° C (68° F) as well as spectacular scarlet sunsets.
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  • Profile picture of the author lycosdog
    so exciting when you think about it. Now how do we make contact?
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Bray
      Originally Posted by lycosdog View Post

      so exciting when you think about it. Now how do we make contact?
      Do you think any of the planet's
      inhabitants might belong to the
      Warrior Forum?


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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    I was just reading about that not too long ago.. very interesting and awesome. I'm pretty sure theres something out there since they found water on the planet.. man this will change everything!!
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by JustinDupre View Post

      I was just reading about that not too long ago.. very interesting and awesome. I'm pretty sure theres something out there since they found water on the planet.. man this will change everything!!
      From first post:
      "It's unknown whether water actually exists on the planet, and what kind of atmosphere it has. But because conditions are ideal for liquid water, and because there always seems to be life on Earth where there is water, (Steven) Vogt believes "that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent."

      So which is it?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        From first post:
        "It's unknown whether water actually exists on the planet, and what kind of atmosphere it has. But because conditions are ideal for liquid water, and because there always seems to be life on Earth where there is water, (Steven) Vogt believes "that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent."

        So which is it?
        LOL - good point. Without water or breathable air...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Besides, suppose the temperature, atmosphere, radioactive level, chemicals, light, cycles, years and days, were ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to the earth. In EVERY way, and they didn't vary by even a trillionth of the smallest measure commonly available. So the planet didn't vary by even a trillionth of a ug(A millionth of a gram), and the distance from the closest planet didn't vary by a trillionth of a um(A millionth of a meter). Suppose all that were true, and there were even water there, by the same measure, with the same levels of the same minerals. HOW would that mean there were life there?

    I mean COMEON! They tried HERE and failed, and this is the same planet. How could they expect another planet to be the same? Basically, they have only found that life comes from life, and that the ideal circumstances only mean that it COULD start, not that it will.

    And, keep in mind that they don't have any way of measuring so precisely at a distance.
    HECK, even ICs are only measured down to some number of nm, which is a thousandth of a um. And THEY have fixed points of reference.

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  • Profile picture of the author GrahamHobbs
    With a hundred billion stars (suns) in our galaxy, and roughly a hundred billion galaxies in the "known" universe, if there wasn't other life out there, that would be kinda crazy.
    And once we thought the earth was flat. Right..!
    Here's a link to that might help the skeptics: retired airforce brass press conference a week or so ago on their encounters with ufo's over US and Russki nuke silos.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    100% certain.

    I'm 120 trillion percent certain that no one will disprove their statement.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      100% certain.

      I'm 120 trillion percent certain that no one will disprove their statement.
      Well, if they are certain, then they can zoom in and show us ALL THE way right down to the life moving. maybe THAT would convince me. By just the zooming in could take MONTHS, maybe YEARS, maybe DECADES? Nope, I don't think I would sit around long enough. AND, if they could, how many thousands or so years ago did that occur? Maybe the planet is DEAD by now.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Using the term "100%" along with the word "chance" in the same sentence when it relates to a single outcome leaves a lot of wiggle room.

        In fact, you have a 100% chance of winning the lottery everytime you play.

        No wonder so many people spend their money on it.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Using the term "100%" along with the word "chance" in the same sentence when it relates to a single outcome leaves a lot of wiggle room.

          In fact, you have a 100% chance of winning the lottery everytime you play.

          No wonder so many people spend their money on it.

          ~Bill
          OK, then by that meaning there is 100% chance of rain tomorrow just before the huge fire and the explosion that will end all life on the planet.

          MAN, 100% chance of rain, AMAZING!

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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            OK, then by that meaning there is 100% chance of rain tomorrow just before the huge fire and the explosion that will end all life on the planet.

            MAN, 100% chance of rain, AMAZING!
            If something has a "chance' of doing something, or having something happen to it, that means it either will or it won't see that given outcome.

            Assigning a percentage to a chance doesn't change the fact that there is no predetermined outcome, it only changes the perception of what that outcome may be. If the outcome can be predetermined, there is no chance.

            So in effect, you either have a chance, or you don't. If you have a 100% chance than you have an outcome that cannot be predermined. If you have zero chance than you have an outcome that can be predetermined.

            Unless you're a weatherperson.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Everything I've read about the planet suggests that one side is almost always in darkness, and the other in light. I'd imagine that would probably produce pretty violent winds (far more violent than the most violent winds on earth) as a permanent feature of the planetary climate... anything living there (or any future humans landing there) would have to like flying through the air at hundreds of miles an hour.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        ...how many thousands or so years ago did that occur? Maybe the planet is DEAD by now.
        Gliese 581 is only 20 light-years away. Unless the planet has been destroyed in the last 20 years, it's still there.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

          Everything I've read about the planet suggests that one side is almost always in darkness, and the other in light. I'd imagine that would probably produce pretty violent winds (far more violent than the most violent winds on earth) as a permanent feature of the planetary climate... anything living there (or any future humans landing there) would have to like flying through the air at hundreds of miles an hour.



          Gliese 581 is only 20 light-years away. Unless the planet has been destroyed in the last 20 years, it's still there.
          OK, sorry, I guess I thought it was farther. Still, 20 years is a LONG time! And 25 hour day or night would affect a LOT of life on the earth, so much for goldilocks!

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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            OK, sorry, I guess I thought it was farther. Still, 20 years is a LONG time! And 25 hour day or night would affect a LOT of life on the earth, so much for goldilocks!

            Steve
            "Long time" is a relative term and in the scope of the Universe and time, it's a very, very short time. The odds of any particular planet disappearing in a 20 year period is "astronomical", pun intended.

            And 25 hour days affecting a "LOT" of life is irrelevant to the premise, as it would have to affect ALL life to the extent there is ZERO life for your point to have any validity. And, there's life on Earth that doesn't depend on light at all.

            Not only is there deep sea and cave life that doesn't see ANY sunlight, both polar regions have extended hours of sunlight and night, depending on the season, with many species of flora and fauna able to adapt to each season, including bears, which brings us back to Goldilocks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I've read mention of this before - they've been studying and collecting what data they can for some time.

          What is interesting is the planet seem to be orbiting it's star in a way similar to earth's relationship with our sun.

          I think it would be so exciting to see how life developed on another planet - what ended up being the top species in the food chain, etc. It's such a long away we'll need much better transport to be able to find out the answers.

          I think it's so exciting to find a planet that has the potential for supporting life forms.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Well, if they are certain, then they can zoom in and show us ALL THE way right down to the life moving. maybe THAT would convince me. By just the zooming in could take MONTHS, maybe YEARS, maybe DECADES? Nope, I don't think I would sit around long enough. AND, if they could, how many thousands or so years ago did that occur? Maybe the planet is DEAD by now.

        Steve

        I was trying to be funny but guess I missed the mark (thanks to the strong feelings on this subject, no doubt).

        I envision three astronomers sitting around talking.

        One of them says, "what if we tell them we're 100% certain that there's life on that planet."

        Another says, "what if they prove us wrong?"

        The third says, "there's 120 trillion miles between us and the proof."
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  • Profile picture of the author DMarriott
    I love this stuff!

    Very interesting indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrahamHobbs
    It's interesting: every period in history was "modern" to those experiencing it. Even the flat-earthers.

    I see people looking back at this time 200 years from now (or less), and wondering how we could seriously believe we live on the only inhabited planet in the known universe!

    Over 100,000,000,000 (hundred billion) stars in our galaxy; at least 1,000,000,000 galaxies in the known universe; one planet with intelligent life on it? What are the odds?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by GrahamHobbs View Post

      It's interesting: every period in history was "modern" to those experiencing it. Even the flat-earthers.

      I see people looking back at this time 200 years from now (or less), and wondering how we could seriously believe we live on the only inhabited planet in the known universe!

      Over 100,000,000,000 (hundred billion) stars in our galaxy; at least 1,000,000,000 galaxies in the known universe; one planet with intelligent life on it? What are the odds?
      Where IS that monkey anyway!?!?!? You know, the theoretical one that came up with a play IDENTICAL to shakespeares!?!? HE, or SHE, could tell us the odds!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author redbearing
    Wow, but it take several generations just to get there.. There's a very slim chance for me to know whether they really have any life forms on that planet
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  • Profile picture of the author ted82
    Here are some odds from a Phd Professor:

    Odds of other life in the known universe...

    Interesting stuff.

    As far as the monkey experiment. "Theoretical" would be the operative word there, me thinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by ted82 View Post

      Here are some odds from a Phd Professor:

      Odds of other life in the known universe...

      Interesting stuff.

      As far as the monkey experiment. "Theoretical" would be the operative word there, me thinks.
      Yep, same as HERE!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    reading between the lines on this, it says to me that someone is building a Noah's ark to move to that planet.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrahamHobbs
    Whichever way you lean on this discussion, it's interesting to ponder.

    Who opened up this can of worms anyway... Hesaidblissfully.

    I'd better quit pondering and get back to some production!
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    This is so cool! There must be so much out there in the universe. There are literally trillions of stars and billions of galaxies. There should be one planet in half of all the solar systems that contain life. I wish I could go there and see what's out there. How cool!
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    In a handful of years 5-10 there will be thousands of earth like planets discovered.

    Probably we will find sign of earth like aliens within 5-10 years.

    By "earth like" I simply mean things that we can distinguish as life forms as we are. I definitely expect this with the 5-10 yr time frame.

    But in this century it wont be such a big deal. It would have been 50 years ago or 100 years ago but lets face it we can nearly "make" any kind of alien we want now.

    In 20 - 30 years we will be planning the missions to these other worlds with space craft designed by super AI computers using technology that humans are too stupid to even understand.

    It may be that the computers deem deep space travel is unnecessary & can just simulate everything for the dumb humans.

    But my ultimate theory of AI & space travel is that physical travel will be replaced by virtual teleportation between hyper advanced AI nodes that have evolved independently.
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  • Profile picture of the author keyuria
    This is really interesting stuff and It makes me eager more to know about it
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesCpaWay
      This is very interesting -- and it goes kind of along the same line as that story with the chinese airport that was shutdown due to a ufo spotting, that of course was blamed on government testing directly afterwords.

      related story -- UFO closes Chinese airport, captured on film

      With all the "space" out there in "space"it would be hard for me personally to imagine that we were all alone, but who knows !
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    • Profile picture of the author peterj
      What I'm wondering is, Are we all dead already?

      Is there is some alien life on a planet in a distant galaxy right now, looking at us saying

      'Hey that looks like a planet that could sustain life, shame its already dead and gone by now!'
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  • Profile picture of the author liberus
    Very interesting stuff. I think this whole topic is really getting fascinating. Thanks for the heads up on this!
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  • Profile picture of the author sparckyz
    If it's true it really is amazing, but i'm not sure as i noticed to inaccuracies in the article for starters
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    It amazes me how much misconception there is about this subject.

    The fact is that we still don't know whether there is one single planet in the universe besides Earth that harbors life.

    What we now know is that rocky planets appear to be plentiful. There are around 150 billion stars in our galaxy and at least 100 billion galaxies in the Universe. There are more stars in the Universe than grains of sand on all the beaches on Earth. Therefore, it is likely that there will be many planets that harbor life in the Universe.

    But "likely" is the key word there and as of today there is no conclusive evidence of life anywhere but Earth.

    We will know within the next few years whether any such planets exist within a couple of hundred light years of our Sun. If a planet's atmosphere contains more than a trace of oxygen, it almost certainly harbors life. While detecting what's in this planet's atmosphere is not possible due to its orientation with Earth, we will be able to test others and future technology will certainly be developed to test this planet's atmosphere too.

    This planet they just discovered is different from Earth in many ways. One side always faces its star with extreme boiling temperatures and the other side with extreme freezing temperatures. It is 3 times the mass of Earth so you would barely be able to stand on the surface. It is circling a totally different type of star from our Sun. It is much closer to its star than Earth from our Sun.

    So I'm not saying that life on this planet is impossible or even unlikely. There is a temperate zone between the light and dark sides where life "could" possibly exist. Life could most certainly evolve to handle many times more than triple Earth's gravity.

    I'm just saying that all of the news reports and a few over enthusiastic scientists are saying that this is an Earthlike planet that's nearly certain to harbor life and that's far from the truth. The first rule of science is to not jump to conclusions until adequate evidence is in and that's all I'm doing.

    But I hope their enthusiastic prediction prove to be correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    How will the discovery of alien life affect our civilization here ?

    How can we possibly make contingencies for alien contact ?
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  • Profile picture of the author DanGlobalizer
    When we look at the moon, we are seeing the moon from 2 seconds ago (that's how long it takes light to travel from the moon to Earth). When we see Mars, it's about 3 minutes. Now imagine a planet that is 120 trillion miles away - even if we sent a spacecraft there TODAY, the planet itself could be totally gone by the time we get there.
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  • Profile picture of the author andybeveridge
    I just want to be the first to market to them. I can see it now, my alien aweber list.
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    Let me know when the tourism guide comes out
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    20 years ago in a galaxy far, far away.... There was a planet that almost resembles earth, except it does not rotate fast enough to ensure the equal distribution of heat and cold across the face of the planet.

    On one side of the planet, all of its water is frozen rock solid. On the other side of the planet, the atmosphere remains constantly hot, to the point where it may boil off all of its water.

    At the edges of the planet, scientists expect to find a belt of inhabitable regions where life could exist.

    And as would be expected, the war between the north and the south fights on, with little cause to believe the conflict will end any time too soon.

    The only thing more threatening to its inhabitants than the other life forms on the planet Gliese 581 is those damn green aliens with their anal probes!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      I just watched that whole video. Simply amazing! These guys are not a bunch of fruitcakes we're talking about here. Personally, I don't need any convincing that aliens exist. I think people who don't believe in this phenomena are narrow minded and to put it bluntly, downright ignorant.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Personally, I don't need any convincing that aliens exist. I think people who don't believe in this phenomena are narrow minded and to put it bluntly, downright ignorant.

        Ignorant of what? Who? LOL
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    That link jumped to Yahoo search, why?
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  • Profile picture of the author oliviasmith
    Just finished watching the video. So guys what's the cheapest and fastest way to reach to that planet
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by oliviasmith View Post

      Just finished watching the video. So guys what's the cheapest and fastest way to reach to that planet

      the speed of light = 299,792,458 miles per second

      the fastest man-made object at top speed (Helios 2) = 45,360 mph
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      3,600 seconds per hour

      45,360 mph = 12.6 miles per second

      the speed of light is 23,793,052 times faster than the Helios 2's top speed

      The planet "Gliese 581" is 20 light years away

      The Helios 2 would require 475,861,044.4 years to reach "Gliese 581".

      If you believe you are committed to the ride, I will sell you a ticket for $5,000,000. We will launch you in 12 years. If you can rope in 9 more friends for the journey, it will only cost you $500,000.

      Let me know if you are game. I will send you my paypal address.
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      • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
        In Breaking News:

        Scientists have discovered a new breed of Pig with feathers. There is a 100% chance that the ancestors of these pigs could once fly ....

        but it's very convenient to make claims that can't be disproved .... don't you think ??

        P.S. - I do actually believe that our planet cannot be the only planet in the universe with life forms on it ..... there's gotta be something / someone out there (*hopes) ...
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        Yes, but you are thinking one dimensional. You have to think like a Vegan.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        the speed of light = 299,792,458 miles per second

        the fastest man-made object at top speed (Helios 2) = 45,360 mph
        Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Fastest Manmade Object

        3,600 seconds per hour

        45,360 mph = 12.6 miles per second

        the speed of light is 23,793,052 times faster than the Helios 2's top speed

        The planet "Gliese 581" is 20 light years away

        The Helios 2 would require 475,861,044.4 years to reach "Gliese 581".

        If you believe you are committed to the ride, I will sell you a ticket for $5,000,000. We will launch you in 12 years. If you can rope in 9 more friends for the journey, it will only cost you $500,000.

        Let me know if you are game. I will send you my paypal address.
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