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Gulf Coast update.

Yesterday the Administration announced it was lifting the moratorium on deep water drilling in the Gulf. This was not due to happen for another 6 weeks or so.

Two weeks ago local news reported a group of scientists wrote they are finding dead zones in the gulf around several deep water drilling platforms. This is unusual as the platforms have routinely been rich sources of seafood for fishing. So far, they haven't identified the reason for the dead zones.

On many platforms they found crustaceans and coral growing naturally on the platform base pipes are dying at the deeper levels. One photo showed a clear line where above that line in the water the coral and sealife were doing fine and below the line the water had no fish and the coral had died. This is a new development according to these people and not a good one.

Except for setting up more new agencies, what has changed in the drilling regulations? The only info I've found is waivers will not be automatically granted. If there's anything else that's changed, it hasn't been released that I can find.

The concern, we were told here, is for the 12,000 jobs lost when the moratorium was put in place.

Strangely the news of lifting the moratorium was receiving mixed reactions here on the coast. Lot of skepticism about the timing was expressed in local newscasts and worries as to whether inspections have been conducted or any protections put in place to prevent another leak.

Meanwhile, Feinberg is coming under criticism. Many have received checks from the BP funds while others can't get through to learn the status of their claims. Feinberg is on the news complaining about fraudulent claims (which he should have expected) but feeling here is he tells people what they want to hear in his frequent speeches.

A local business owner documented a loss of $200k in business at his seafood restaurant over the summer. His claim was submitted months ago. He tried for days to get a person on the "call" line with no luck. He finally used the option for "spanish" instead of English and got through right away. His manager speaks spanish and was told his claim was fully documented but given no info as to when he could expect a payment.

Feinberg claims that full documentation is missing from many claims (not surprising as the forms are a pain to fill out and quite a few pieces of documentation are required).

Very interesting to me is Feinberg's statement that any claims he considers fraudulent are being turned over to the US justice department for investigation and prosecution. That flies in the face of the claim that the BP fund would be administered without government oversight.

It's turning into a story that never ends - after one quick flurry of payments when Feinberg finally got going, the payment process is no faster than what BP was doing.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    A local business owner documented a loss of $200k in business at his seafood restaurant over the summer. His claim was submitted months ago. He tried for days to get a person on the "call" line with no luck. He finally used the option for "spanish" instead of English and got through right away. His manager speaks spanish and was told his claim was fully documented but given no info as to when he could expect a payment.
    So they have spanish ONLY people manning the lines? IN THE US!?!?!!? Gee, I bet they don't even have a FRENCH line. Given creole, and the french history, I bet a number of people in Louisiana speak french! Of course THEY speak english also, so I guess they are just IGNORED! What they SHOULD do is have two sets of lines. One goes to ALL operators, giving priority to the non spanish speaking. The other should go to the spanish speaking only. But I guess that is too simple!

    Feinberg claims that full documentation is missing from many claims (not surprising as the forms are a pain to fill out and quite a few pieces of documentation are required).

    Very interesting to me is Feinberg's statement that any claims he considers fraudulent are being turned over to the US justice department for investigation and prosecution. That flies in the face of the claim that the BP fund would be administered without government oversight.

    It's turning into a story that never ends - after one quick flurry of payments when Feinberg finally got going, the payment process is no faster than what BP was doing.

    kay
    COME ON! SURELY you EXPECTED the government to overlook(ahem, oversee) things! Frankly, I THOUGHT this would happen!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well we can't blame the gov or BP for falsified claims. People who have caused that part of the mess should be found and prosecuted. There are a lot of people with REAL claims that are being held up because of all the damned financial criminal mentality going on in this country. "F**K everybody and everything - just get me rich without working"

    As far as the deep dead zones - I just can't help thinking that a lot of that is due to that deadly toxic dispersant that was illegally loaded into the gulf. What exactly the hell they were thinking when they did that is hard to tell. You pour something THAT deadly toxic into water and something is gonna die. Go figure.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well we can't blame the gov or BP for falsified claims. People who have caused that part of the mess should be found and prosecuted. There are a lot of people with REAL claims that are being held up because of all the damned financial criminal mentality going on in this country. "F**K everybody and everything - just get me rich without working"
      I think Kay was talking about them doing it so quickly, etc...

      As far as the deep dead zones - I just can't help thinking that a lot of that is due to that deadly toxic dispersant that was illegally loaded into the gulf. What exactly the hell they were thinking when they did that is hard to tell. You pour something THAT deadly toxic into water and something is gonna die. Go figure.
      Yeah, and some fish want to be around the coral and coral is very sensitive to the environment. Just another reason why I won't be so carefree about buying fish anymore.

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    off the offtopic, but the thing about the languages reminded of this song...

    thought I'd share

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      So they have spanish ONLY people manning the lines?
      I think the problem is there are not enough people manning the English lines.

      I'm sure there are some fraudulent claims but I think that charge is mostly Feinberg covering Feinberg right now. It was mentioned until recently when he was criticized for not keep his promises and moving slowly.

      The Justice Department also sent a letter to Feinberg in mid-September, rebuking him for the pace of decisions. "Many of these individuals and businesses simply do not have the resources to get by while they await processing," wrote Thomas Perelli, the associate attorney general.
      After Katrina payments were made, there were quite a few prosecutions of people who scammed the system for money. It was taken seriously - but the investigations were done after the fact. I think Feinberg needs to do the same. From the moment he began receiving criticism he's been offering excuses and most is blaming the people filing the claims.

      Very good article on the claim payments at
      Feinberg: Gulf Oil Spill Claims Paid More Quickly, but Tough Calls Ahead | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think the problem is there are not enough people manning the English lines.

        I'm sure there are some fraudulent claims but I think that charge is mostly Feinberg covering Feinberg right now. It was mentioned until recently when he was criticized for not keep his promises and moving slowly.



        After Katrina payments were made, there were quite a few prosecutions of people who scammed the system for money. It was taken seriously - but the investigations were done after the fact. I think Feinberg needs to do the same. From the moment he began receiving criticism he's been offering excuses and most is blaming the people filing the claims.

        Very good article on the claim payments at
        Feinberg: Gulf Oil Spill Claims Paid More Quickly, but Tough Calls Ahead | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS
        There WOULD be enough people manning the english lines if they followed the LETTER of the law! Citizens are to know English, The government should hire citizens, there should be no discrimination. SO if they want to handle spanish speakers, FINE, just not at the expense of ENGLISH! Like I said, ALL the operators should know english, and the english lines should go to ALL of them.

        You have a point about the order of payments, etc.... They SHOULD be able to give a months payment to keep them going, based on their last 3 years tax returns. *****EASY***** HELL, they could AUTOMATE IT! Simply have the IRS take all people in the region with tax returns for directly related industries, average the last three years for the THEM, and create a list with TIN and average amount. If they don't have three years of related business, or made no income one of the years, they get thrown to the end of the line. SIMPLE! It isn't perfect, but MOST of those most needy can actually be ANTICIPATED, and the average amount should be enough in most cases.

        I bet they never even CONSIDERED that simple idea!

        Steve
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