Prince William's getting married...

Mike Wright 13 years ago

Don't seem able to find any invites on ebay ...guess we are out of luck
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  The media's job is to become hysterical on a regular basis - it's not that this news is a great surprise.
  
  When I was growing up (in the US) I used to think I was born in the wrong country - because I thought having a Queen and a royal family was just so cool.
  
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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

I remember a scene from the movie, set in the American Old West, The Quick And The Dead...

... where Richard Harris kept badgering everyone within earshot including Gene Hackman about why Americans were uncivilized."

He kept saying ...

"Because you don't have a queen"

After Gene Hackman beat the living daylights out of Richard Harris's character he did what else???

Shot him dead.

TL

PS. Have fun with the wedding!

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Frank Donovan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

After Gene Hackman beat the living daylights out of Richard Harris's character he did what else???

I think you're confusing your movies - Richard Harris wasn't in 'The Quick And The Dead'.

Something like the scene you describe did, however, occur in 'Unforgiven', in which the Richard Harris character was only "posing" as an English nobleman (the Duke Of Death).

Oh, and in that movie, Gene Hackman's character was shot dead by Clint.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

I think you're confusing your movies - Richard Harris wasn't in 'The Quick And The Dead'.

Something like the scene you describe did, however, occur in 'Unforgiven', in which the Richard Harris character was only "posing" as an English nobleman (the Duke Of Death).

Oh, and in that movie, Gene Hackman's character was shot dead by Clint.

Frank

You're right!

I got the movie wrong.

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John Henderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

He kept saying ...

"Because you don't have a queen"

Well that's nonsense -- America's got plenty of queens...
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  Well that's nonsense -- America's got plenty of queens...
  
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pjCheviot

Banned 13 years ago

Well - I've just sent my invitation back to Lizzie!!

It's out of order that Emmerdale has been postponed
tonight for a "special" on the engagement :confused:

What next ?? . . .

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John Henderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by pjCheviot

What next ?? . . .

I'd imagine wall-to-wall media coverage of every tiny snippet of information connected with this wedding on every TV channel, every radio station and on the cover of every magazine from now until next summer..... <groan>
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Chris Worner

13 years ago

yawn......who cares?

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sparckyz 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

yawn......who cares?

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not me, don't know why i'm on this thread lol
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amoro

13 years ago

Prince William will getting married? again?

, Who's the lucky girl?

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HeySal

13 years ago

She's not nobility. What a fairy tale for her and her family. It's a happy story so I don't see the harm in the media getting into it -- sure beats the usual political spin fest they whip up for us. Of course, I'm sure someone will be able to find something not so succulent to print about it eventually. We can only hope that the Prince didn't participate in any panty raids or drinking games with his college buddies.

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Mike Wright 13 years ago

Its somewhat relevant to these forums and this topic, that the
future bride's parents make their money via IM and their realworld
business Please enable your cookies

This is their genuine website

Dunno whether it would be "the done thing" to sell their own
wedding souvenirs ..... but why not .... most of the UK is
gearing up to sell all kinds of Wills & Kate merchandise .... and
Wills dad does a good trade of his own in Duchy Originals and
other organic products.

Good luck to all concerned, and in the immortal words of
Mr. Spock, may they live long and prosper.

BTW, Prince Williams day job currently is in the RAF flying
Seaking helicopters on search and rescue mission for real!
Something which he hopes to continue doing.

When asked about the wedding, Prince Charles joked that
"they had been practicing long enough .... it was about time" lol.
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whateverpedia 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

She's not nobility.

Neither was Fergie.

That one worked out well.

What a fairy tale for her and her family.

Yeah, right. Having the papparazzi follow them day and night. Their rubbish bins being trawled through, etc., etc.. No more private life for them.

Some fairy tale. Nightmare more like.

And as Michael O. said above, this will distract the media away from Lindsay's and Britney's latest antics, i.e. REAL news.

I guess Brits will have to tighten their belts even further to pay for all of this as well.

These are the only Royals I suppirt.
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John Henderson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

She's not nobility.

How times change. When Princess Anne wanted to marry a 'commoner' in 1973, there was much controversy. Now the second-in-line to the throne is marrying somebody outside of the aristocracy! :rolleyes:

As WhateverPedia said, this mismatch may not go too well. Maybe William should have married someone from the Dutch or Danish royal family. That would have kept the old bank account topped up!

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

How times change. When Princess Anne wanted to marry a 'commoner' in 1973, there was much controversy. Now the second-in-line to the throne is marrying somebody outside of the aristocracy! :rolleyes:

As WhateverPedia said, this mismatch may not go too well. Maybe William should have married someone from the Dutch or Danish royal family. That would have kept the old bank account topped up!

Can't the royal family simply give the lady's family a title before the wedding??

On Morning Joe the other morning, Tina Brown of the Daily Beast stressed that the lady is from what is considered a middle class background in the UK.

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John Henderson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Can't the royal family simply give the lady's family a title before the wedding??

Yeah, it's more likely that Kate will be given a title on the morning of her wedding -- but she'll never be "HRH" (Her Royal Highness). But then, the heirs to the throne that she'll be expected to produce will be "HRH" until the eldest eventually becomes "HM".

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

On Morning Joe the other morning, Tina Brown of the Daily Beast stressed that the lady is from what is considered a middle class background in the UK.

The class system is a bit different here, TL. You can be born working class and move up to middle class thru education, income, lifestyle and the company you keep. If you're really successful, like Richard Branson or Joan Collins, you might be seen as upper-middle class. But that's where it stops.

The upper class in this country are decided by accident of birth. I couldn't ever become upper class, unless I marry into the aristocracy -- and even then, I would never be accepted as "one of them".

So it remains to be seen what will happen to Kate. Up until now, "middle class" didn't mean jack when the British monarchy went looking for someone to produce heirs to the throne. You were either blue-blood or you weren't. This engagement is a real turning point for the monarchy.

[Interesting titbit: Our Prime Minister, David Cameron is actually a member of the aristocracy -- he's the Queen's third cousin five times removed... or something. But during his leadership of the Conservative Party, all of their spin doctors were desperately trying to downplay this, portraying him as a 'typical middle class guy'. So that was new: seeing somebody trying to climb down the social ladder...

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

Yeah, it's more likely that Kate will be given a title on the morning of her wedding -- but she'll never be "HRH" (Her Royal Highness). But then, the heirs to the throne that she'll be expected to produce will be "HRH" until the eldest eventually becomes "HM".

The class system is a bit different here, TL. You can be born working class and move up to middle class thru education, income, lifestyle and the company you keep. If you're really successful, like Richard Branson or Joan Collins, you might be seen as upper-middle class. But that's where it stops.

The upper class in this country are decided by accident of birth. I couldn't ever become upper class, unless I marry into the aristocracy -- and even then, I would never be accepted as "one of them".

So it remains to be seen what will happen to Kate. Up until now, "middle class" didn't mean jack when the British monarchy went looking for someone to produce heirs to the throne. You were either blue-blood or you weren't. This engagement is a real turning point for the monarchy.

[Interesting titbit: Our Prime Minister, David Cameron is actually a member of the aristocracy -- he's the Queen's third cousin five times removed... or something. But during his leadership of the Conservative Party, all of their spin doctors were desperately trying to downplay this, portraying him as a 'typical middle class guy'. So that was new: seeing somebody trying to climb down the social ladder...

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About being accepted by the upper-crusty...

If you get a title from the monarchy doesn't that qualify you as upper-crusty?

Aren't all titles generated through the monarchy and if you have a title you are upper-crusty whether some people accept you or not??

Very curious,

TL

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John Henderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

About being accepted by the upper-crusty...

If you get a title from the monarchy doesn't that qualify you as upper-crusty?

Generally speaking, the Queen doesn't hand out titles very often, and usually only to members of her own family. When Charles re-married, Camilla became "The Duchess of Cornwall" because one of Charles' titles is "Duke of Cornwall". The title of "Princess of Wales" is linked in everybody's mind to Diana, so letting Camilla use that title would have been a no-no.

Back in 1936 when the new King Edward VIII wanted to marry Wallis Simpson, it caused a constitutional crisis -- Canada and Australia refused to recognise a monarch who had married a divorcee, and Edward had to choose between Wallis or the throne (He abdicated and his brother became King). Charles has married a divorcee. It remains to be seen whether he will become King, or whether the Queen will hand the crown straight to William.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Aren't all titles generated through the monarchy and if you have a title you are upper-crusty whether some people accept you or not??

Well, the titles that carry any weight are the hereditary titles, passed down from generation to generation. For example, the 19th Earl of Derby can trace his ancestors back to the 1st Earl of Derby, a title granted in 1485. That's why the members of European aristocracy are referred to as "blue-bloods"; they've been genetically isolating themselves from the 'commoners' for centuries.

Aristocracy has to be a very exclusive club, or there's not much point in being part of it. Will Kate Middleton be accepted by that club? I don't know, we're in uncharted territory. But I would have thought that marrying the future King is as good an invite as you're ever likely to get.

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

About being accepted by the upper-crusty...

If you get a title from the monarchy doesn't that qualify you as upper-crusty?

Aren't all titles generated through the monarchy and if you have a title you are upper-crusty whether some people accept you or not??

Very curious,

TL

If you are interested in the British aristocracy, I would highly recommend that you watch the TV series belowed called "The F$#king Fulfords"

The original Francis Fulford was given 3000 acres of land in 1199 and since then it had been kept in the family. The current owner is the 23rd. Although they do not have a title, they are still regarded as aristocrats for all intents and purposes.

YouTube - F***ing Fulfords part 1

Watching this makes me feel a bit sad though. It seems the main purpose of Francis Fulford is to pass the estate in its entirity to his eldest son. It seems rather than owning the estate, it is the house and land that owns them.

When Prince William and Kate Middleton broke up a few years ago. Francis Fulford's wife was on record saying that a middle class girl like Kate Middleton was not suitable for Prince William and that she hoped that her daughter would have a chance.

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riverboatman 13 years ago

I was in England for the wedding of Princess Ann and Mark Phillips. It was a great thing to watch, and how proud the public was of the couple.
As to the people who are Rhubarbing about how much its going to cost, I agree with the comentator on Fox news who said:"Get over it".
The marriage will probably last a long time if William can resist using his Father as a role model!
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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

If you are interested in the British aristocracy, I would highly recommend that you watch the TV series belowed called "The F$#king Fulfords"

The original Francis Fulford was given 3000 acres of land in 1199 and since then it had been kept in the family. The current owner is the 23rd. Although they do not have a title, they are still regarded as aristocrats for all intents and purposes.

YouTube - F***ing Fulfords part 1

Watching this makes me feel a bit sad though. It seems the main purpose of Francis Fulford is to pass the estate in its entirity to his eldest son. It seems rather than owning the estate, it is the house and land that owns them.

When Prince William and Kate Middleton broke up a few years ago. Francis Fulford's wife was on record saying that a middle class girl like Kate Middleton was not suitable for Prince William and that she hoped that her daughter would have a chance.

Any "aristocrat", etc... that figures that a nice middle class person is BENEATH them and not deserving of ANYTHING is really not worthy of such high regard!

And HECK, look at all the KNIGHTS, etc... that may once have been considered lower middle class or perhaps lower. Granted that may not be saying much, but it is enough that the QUEEN decided to honor them and give them a title.

BTW people REALLY should watch:

YouTube - King Ralph trailer

In the beginning, he looks like a kind of jerk almost. He has practically the WORLD handed to him! He gives it up because HE has more class than people give him credit for. Another SNOBBISH BRAT tries for the throne, and is responsible for embarrasing the king, and ralph finds someone MORE honorable and worthy to take over. Frankly, ralph and the other two in that cadre are better than most of the others.

HECK, he helps out britain, gives up the throne, convicts a TRAITOR, and finds a good ruler, and really asks NOTHING. I mean ANY low class idiot can take free land and a billion + in currency, etc....

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

The class system is a bit different here, TL. You can be born working class and move up to middle class thru education, income, lifestyle and the company you keep. If you're really successful, like Richard Branson or Joan Collins, you might be seen as upper-middle class. But that's where it stops.

The upper class in this country are decided by accident of birth. I couldn't ever become upper class, unless I marry into the aristocracy -- and even then, I would never be accepted as "one of them".

So it remains to be seen what will happen to Kate. Up until now, "middle class" didn't mean jack when the British monarchy went looking for someone to produce heirs to the throne. You were either blue-blood or you weren't. This engagement is a real turning point for the monarchy.

What John wrote here is essentially correct, Britain has probably got the most immobile class system in the developed world.

However in most countries of world, you have a divide between "old money" (inherited) and "new money" (self-made, nouveau riche). It is just that in the UK there is a subset of old money that is very old, very entrenched and quite often very snobbish.

Richard Branson is too noveau riche, attention seeking, and crass for their taste. Wherease Joan Collins is just plain unacceptable because she has starred in adult movies.

As far as the Middletons are concerned, being essentially shop keepers could pose a problem. Among the upper middle class, there are different shades as far as prestige is concerned. Financiers and property owners would come at the top along with those who work in the arts and auction houses.

It is also interesting that the Royal Family are generally not regarded as particularly snobbish, at least they are trained not to look snobbish. Whereas the aristorcracy do not have the responsibilities of the Royal Family and so they can act as snobbish as they want.

As I remember listening to a commentator. Prince William is not snobbish but some of his friends are very snobbish.

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John Henderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

On Morning Joe the other morning, Tina Brown of the Daily Beast stressed that the lady is from what is considered a middle class background in the UK.

TL, I've just stumbled upon an article that dates from from April 2007, but it tells you all you need to know about the rigid social etiquette that separates the aristocracy from Kate Middleton's upper-middle class family....
Divided by family misfortunes - Telegraph

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Charles has married a divorcee. It remains to be seen whether he will become King, or whether the Queen will hand the crown straight to William.

Wow, it seems that I was onto something with that comment...
Britons want Charles to step aside for William
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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

How times change. When Princess Anne wanted to marry a 'commoner' in 1973, there was much controversy. Now the second-in-line to the throne is marrying somebody outside of the aristocracy! :rolleyes:

As WhateverPedia said, this mismatch may not go too well. Maybe William should have married someone from the Dutch or Danish royal family. That would have kept the old bank account topped up!

Times do change. I think that after the years they've already been together this woman is aware of what she's getting into. If it doesn't survive, I don't think it will be because of the class difference.

We might not have royalty here - but it doesn't stop little girls from believing in Cinderella. Every little girl, at one time or another, dreams of being a princess. Of course, the realities of being on are much different from those dreams, but it's still a fairy tale come true and I think it's a splendid for people to see one happen.

This is also a woman who understands the real world of the "commoner" and should prove to be compassionate and judicious in her actions. She is an educated woman, after all.

I looked at a few pics of them together. The flash in the eyes is real. They are happy and in love. Their test is the same we all face when we marry - how to keep the fire going.

As far as people honking about the media on this one........it's a love story and one that's a bit different from the others. All we have in America is Hollywood - and the old glamor of the silver screen has died with the passing of the first generation of the stars. Now all we have to look at is Britany types.

I wish all the best to the couple and hope that somehow their union can revive a little something in the people that is being robbed by the current political/economic strains.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Umm...didn't we have some sort of skirmish so we didn't have to be assaulted with news of the Royals over here?

Newsworthy? Perhaps. But only as a mention, not as a 30 minute segment on her parents, her hometown, the ring, the time Harry (not William) broke up with his girlfriend, and blah, blah, FREAKING BLAH. With all due respect of course.

I'm happy for them and all, and hope they have a wonderful marriage, but we fought so we wouldn't have to have a monarchy. Why the obsession with it in the US?

Besides, we MUST know how Lindsay Lohan is doing and all this royal coverage is drowning out important news like that.

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xaban 13 years ago

UK is going to earn over 1 billion dollars on the wedding...
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John Henderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I'm happy for them and all, and hope they have a wonderful marriage, but we fought so we wouldn't have to have a monarchy.

So that's why the music that Michael uses in his videos is always "royalty-free"....

(Ah c'mon, don't groan! That's the best I could come up with.... )
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Rob141

13 years ago

It's a great money making opportunity. Grab some royal wedding domains, I am!

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John Henderson 13 years ago

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It's a great money making opportunity. Grab some royal wedding domains, I am!

I don't know whether you'll believe me when I tell you this Rob....

Yesterday I checked, and "PrinceWilliamAndKateMiddleton" was available as a .com and a .net. I hesitated, not knowing what I would do with them if I bought them.

I checked again today, and they're gone. :rolleyes:
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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

The story of Charles & Camellia is very interesting.

I guess the Prince Of Wales had to marry Princes Dianna in order to produce heirs for the throne but from everything I've read, I think Camellia was and is his one true love.

I'm sorry about what happened to Princes Dianna and...

...as a romantic I thought that It was nice that Charles & Camellia were married and are together.

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whateverpedia

13 years ago

The Economist has a fairly scurrilous sub-heading about this about half way down their homepage.

"Unemployed woman marries into welfare family".

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John Henderson

13 years ago

Cheers, WP. Despite the cheeky tag-line, it's actually quite a sensible article...
The royal engagement: Just the job | The Economist

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Pauline60

13 years ago

Well I am happy for them but I have no wish to obsess over it. A bank holiday for the wedding would be nice.

As this is a young man who, through no fault of his own, has had to endure the death of his mother being in the public eye to the nth degree my hope for them is for at least a certain amount of privacy for their private life so that they have a chance of making a real go of it.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

I remember reading about a conflict between Winston Churchill's grandfather (or father ) and the then King of England.

Don't remember what it was about but the word allegedly went forward that Churchill and the King can not be welcomed in the same circles and people must choose.

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PeterDunin

13 years ago

He's a lucky man,she's a honey! I heard the ring cost £28,000 when it was bought for Lady Diana back in 1981.

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Martin2010

13 years ago

Yes but in todays day and age who really gives a flying what the royals do??? There's not many of us that's for sure. The only good thing everyone who is talking about this has said is that there is going to be a public holiday which is all they're bothered about.

How many of you are going to sit there watching the wedding anyway?

It's great that they're getting married and i wish them all the luck in the world but for me it doesn't really insterest me

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

According To Snoop...

Snoop Dogg To Perform At Prince William's Bachelor Party:

Last I heard Snoop was banned in the UK.

short story here...

Snoop Dogg To Perform At Prince William's Bachelor Party

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

I must admit I've never understood why the "royals" elicit so much interest. Nothing against you Brits, but it's one big yawn to me. I've never understood celebrity worship either. Hollyweird would go broke if everyone was like me. Of course, that might not be all bad.

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John Henderson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've never understood celebrity worship either. Hollyweird would go broke if everyone was like me. Of course, that might not be all bad.

Spot on, Dennis. As I'm very fond of saying: "I'm as interested in Victoria Beckham as she is in me."

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

Spot on, Dennis. As I'm very fond of saying: "I'm as interested in Victoria Beckham as she is in me."

To prove how little I pay attention to celebrities, I don't even know who Victoria Beckham is.

John, wasn't it you who recommended The War of Art to me? I did enjoy the book, even though I thought it was a little odd. It made me think here and there, which is the main reason I read, so thanks for the recommendation.

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John Henderson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I don't even know who Victoria Beckham is.

You lucky, lucky man!

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

John, wasn't it you who recommended The War of Art to me? I did enjoy the book, even though I thought it was a little odd. It made me think here and there, which is the main reason I read, so thanks for the recommendation.

Yes it was me; I'm glad you got something out of it.

A better book on a similar theme is "Ignore Everybody" by Hugh Macleod -- the first 25% can be read for free here: Book - Ignore Everybody | gapingvoid

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Zero

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I must admit I've never understood why the "royals" elicit so much interest. Nothing against you Brits, but it's one big yawn to me. I've never understood celebrity worship either. Hollyweird would go broke if everyone was like me. Of course, that might not be all bad.

If you think American celebrity worship is bad, think again. Over here in the UK, its worse, and lets say the 'celebs' are nothin more than 2nd rate hacks who made a career out of cashing in on their 15 mins of fame from some reality tv show like Big Brother ( which has thankfully & hopefully forever vanished from british tv screens) or Britain's got talent. They are truely very awful.

Case in point, just look up Jedward, the Irish twins if you got the stomach for it.
I never cared much for the Royals, but i'm quite pleased for William & Kate. They make such a lovely couple

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Martin2010

13 years ago

Yes it's defo a Brit thing and it's mainly the media who build everything up as this makes their stories all the worth while when it all comes crashing down.

Prime example of this is the Wrold Cup draw which as just happened where there has been no media coverage in countries such as Spain and Russia but us brits have all got the flags out and where on the street ready to celebrate, but then we didn't get it.

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