Nandos gave me "Staphylococcus aurous" last night

by gareth
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I had half a chicken and chips, noticed I felt weird about 20 minutes later like I was gunna faint. An hour later the screaming sh1ts hit me while I was downtown with no loo's around. Lucky I live in town and high tailed it home.

I was just about to pop when I sprinted in the front door and ran to the loo. I think my whole guts went in about 10 seconds. Imagine another 20 seconds and I would not have made it.

This morning I am woozy and dizzy so I could not go to work.

I am drinking lots of water and green tea and I will get some acidus/bifidus yoghurt to counteract the bad bacteria.

I have had food poisoning several times - the worst ever was rotten orange juice.

At least this time I am not vomiting.
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    Thanks, I'll be sure to avoid New Zealand henceforth!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Oh I don't envy you at all - yuk!

    I've never been to Nando's although my sister loves it. I must go and try it out one day - I'll just stay away from any New Zealand ones
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Yikes, way too descriptive. But yea I hate when you get a potty emergency about town!

    You might be blaming the wrong spot though. Salmonella symptoms don't hit in 20 minutes. They take at least a day or so. If it's really bad a few hours but not that fast.

    So I would track back what you ate in the last few hours to 24-hours ago to find the true culprit.

    Glad you made it to the loo.

    PS for us over here in America... where does the term loo come from? Is it short for something? Just curious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Glad you made it to the loo.

      PS for us over here in America... where does the term loo come from? Is it short for something? Just curious.
      LOL, don't you guys say loo?

      I don't know where it comes from or if it's short for anything, it's just loo!
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

        LOL, don't you guys say loo?

        I don't know where it comes from or if it's short for anything, it's just loo!
        You didn't know? Loo and WC and things like Water Closet are distinctly NOT American. For whatever reason, it seems everyone else uses them but WE don't. One person EVEN told me WC made it to TAIWAN!!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Just looking at your symptoms, the chances are that it is due something you consumed in the past 24-48 hours rather than the chicken and chips.

    The only stuff that can cause food poisoning within a few hours are pre-formed toxins, usually Staph Aureus. But vomiting would be a very prominent symptom. It takes time for the poison to travel down into your gut to cause diarrhoea.

    The trouble with food posioning cases is that people usually associate with stuff they have just eaten but in most cases it is due to stuff they ate more than 24 hours ago. You might have had Salmonella but it is just as likey that you had a Norovirus.

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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    http://www.basicfoodhygiene.co.uk/food_poisoning.htm

    People talk so much bull**** about medical stuff on the net it could give me diarrhea.

    Definitely the chicken trust me. I am taking it easy today and still no nausea thank god. Gunna go get some more yoghurt in a few minutes. I'm dizzy and my guts is gurgling.

    Staphylococcus aurous or salmonella - who fricken cares - I've got the sh1ts man !!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author gareth
      Staphylococcus aureus is a common cause of foodborne illness that is not covered in some epidemiologic surveillance programs. Some strains of Staphylococcus aureus cause staphylococcal food poisoning through production of heat-stable staphylococcal toxins. All people are believed to be susceptible to this type of bacterial intoxication. However, the intensity of the symptoms may vary related to the amount of contaminated food ingested and susceptibility of the individual to the toxin.

      Symptoms and disease process
      Onset of staphylococcal food poisoning symptoms ranges from 30 minutes to seven hours (the mean is two to four hours) after consumption of foods containing pre-formed toxins. Nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps, prostration and diarrhea are common symptoms. Recovery usually takes about two days.

      Staphylococcus aureus is also responsible for skin abscesses, pneumonia, bacteremia, endocarditis and toxic shock syndrome. These infections are not due to a foodborne source and typically require treatment with antibiotics and hospitalization.

      Primary routes of transmission
      Staphylococcus aureus is a common bacterium found on the skin and in the noses of up to 50 percent of healthy people and animals. Staph aureus does not compete well with other organisms, so outbreaks are not usually associated with raw products where high numbers of other bacteria are present. The exception may be milk from mastitic cows, as Staph aureus is a cause of mastitis.

      Typical foods associated with Staph aureus outbreaks include high-protein products that are handled during processing or preparation.

      * Fermented meats and cheese may be implicated when fermentation does not proceed rapidly, although this is rare when commercial culture concentrates are used.
      * Cream-filled bakery products are sometimes affected, since they are handled during introduction of the cream filling, and because the higher sugar content may inhibit growth of other organisms.
      * Cooked poultry, egg and seafood products that are handled during preparation or are stored at improper temperatures prior to consumption have also been implicated in Staph aureus outbreaks.
      * Dry pasta has been involved in outbreaks, as the dry dough is typically extruded at warm temperatures that are conducive to growth of Staph aureus, and because equipment is difficult to clean.


      The toxins produced by Staph aureus are very heat stable. For example, even canned mushrooms have caused outbreaks. The mushrooms were stored in a brine solution when harvested, which inhibited growth of competitive flora. Toxin formed during storage prior to canning and remained active even after the canning process.

      Control
      Time and temperature control to prevent the growth of the organism is the primary control measure for Staph aureus. Products can be formulated to prevent growth as well. Personal hygiene is also important to help prevent product contamination from food handlers. It is important to note that heating food after toxin is formed will not be an effective control.

      Temperature, pH and water activity limits for growth are broader than those for toxin production, and anaerobic conditions (lack of oxygen) restricts toxin production further. For example, Staph aureus can grow in the range of 7 - 48°C, and toxin is produced from 10 - 48°C. The minimum water activity for growth is 0.83 aerobically and 0.90 anaerobically, while toxin is limited aerobically at 0.87 and anaerobically at 0.92. The pH range for growth is 4 - 10, while the lower toxin production limit is 4.5 aerobically and 5.0 anaerobically (International Commission on Microbiological Specifications of Foods, 1996).
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Food poisoning

      People talk so much bull**** about medical stuff on the net it could give me diarrhea.

      Definitely the chicken trust me. I am taking it easy today and still no nausea thank god. Gunna go get some more yoghurt in a few minutes. I'm dizzy and my guts is gurgling.

      Staphylococcus aurous or salmonella - who fricken cares - I've got the sh1ts man !!!!
      Well, Chicken IS the main non human vector. Basically chicken can spread it to their eggs and processing the chickens incorrectly, or not cooking the eggs well enough will lead to salmonella. Unfortunately, there are careless "humans" that have NO care, etc... and they will facilitate the spread of salmonella to even CLEAN peanuts, etc... and some of that disease comes from "HUMANS"!!!!!! THAT is what caused the US PCA outbreak a year or two ago. One of my favorite products, that apparently was NOT affected, was one of the items PULLED! JUST because it had some peanuts!

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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Food poisoning

      People talk so much bull**** about medical stuff on the net it could give me diarrhea.

      Definitely the chicken trust me. I am taking it easy today and still no nausea thank god. Gunna go get some more yoghurt in a few minutes. I'm dizzy and my guts is gurgling.

      Staphylococcus aurous or salmonella - who fricken cares - I've got the sh1ts man !!!!
      Hey you're the one that brought up medical terminology dude. Just say you had the ****s then.

      On the loo thing... nope not used across the pond. Not sure about Canada.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Once about 15 years ago I ate a rotten Kumara. Kumara goes off real fast.

    This is a Maori sweet potato. The next morning I merrily walked to work at 6 am. It hit on a suburban side street. The screaming sh1ts. Being a suburban st there were no loo's for at least a 30 minute walk but luckily no people either. I figured if I could make it to the sports stadium I could down trou in a bush.

    I squeezed, I visualized, I preyed... I didn't make it. I was wearing shorts.

    I was about 30 seconds from the safe haven when my bowels unleashed in my undies. Ewwwww immediately I scanned for onlookers, next minute BAM !!! something hard smacked me in the head, in a flash I figured someone had seen me poop down my leg and decided to belt me one.

    No I had pooped my self and walked smack into a concrete beam smacking my skull in 10 split seconds.

    I ripped off my gruds and tossed them then sheepishly walked home avoiding other pedestrians.

    It was a bad day.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Sounds like IBS.

      That is a hell of a story Gareth. Thanks for sharing. 8-/


      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Once about 15 years ago I ate a rotten Kumara. Kumara goes off real fast.

      This is a Maori sweet potato. The next morning I merrily walked to work at 6 am. It hit on a suburban side street. The screaming sh1ts. Being a suburban st there were no loo's for at least a 30 minute walk but luckily no people either. I figured if I could make it to the sports stadium I could down trou in a bush.

      I squeezed, I visualized, I preyed... I didn't make it. I was wearing shorts.

      I was about 30 seconds from the safe haven when my bowels unleashed in my undies. Ewwwww immediately I scanned for onlookers, next minute BAM !!! something hard smacked me in the head, in a flash I figured someone had seen me poop down my leg and decided to belt me one.

      No I had pooped my self and walked smack into a concrete beam smacking my skull in 10 split seconds.

      I ripped off my gruds and tossed them then sheepishly walked home avoiding other pedestrians.

      It was a bad day.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi,
    Salmonella bacteria is present in chicken and all foods stemming from an animal..
    heat actually kills the bacteria anything cooked at 325(min temp) and above.

    chicken or I should say poultry and fish should be washed before cooking most bacteria resides at the surface.. the temperature internally should be 160 degrees. only if the food was not washed and was stored improperly like at a temperature of 40 degrees then and only then can the staph disease take root within the human body and the symptoms of that disease are much the same as the flu. salmonella poisoning produces vomiting, weakness and watery/bloody bowel movement. and in fact causes dehydration of which something like 1500 people a year die from it(u.s).

    You also would have a major news story because if that Restaurant you are naming indeed was serving food that was improperly stored,not cooked up to temperature and was not washed or the cutting surface was not washed with bleach and a couple gallons of water. there would be multiple infected people. not just you.
    the symptoms you describe also could be caused from drinking water with a high amount of chlorine in it. So unless there is a lot of people running around with the crappers and the restaurant has now been shut down and is under investigation I wouldn't think it is directly responsible.

    Cheers
    -Will
    p.s.this information is public knowledge and can be found on the internet by doing a simple search.I am however certified in food safe level 1
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

      Hi,
      Salmonella bacteria is present in chicken and all foods stemming from an animal..
      heat actually kills the bacteria anything cooked at 325(min temp) and above.
      Salmonella is only present in some chicken. It is basically a bacterial disease.
      I don't know if it has to be as high as 325, but keeping it in lower temperatures, like below perhaps 165, will allow salmonella to thrive and generate toxins, like what derek was talking about. In such a case, it is better to just throw the food out, and bleach any products it contacted.

      chicken or I should say poultry and fish should be washed before cooking most bacteria resides at the surface.. the temperature internally should be 160 degrees.
      The disease is ALSO spread through fecal matter.

      only if the food was not washed and was stored improperly like at a temperature of 40 degrees then and only then can the staph disease take root within the human body and the symptoms of that disease are much the same as the flu. salmonella poisoning produces vomiting, weakness and watery/bloody bowel movement. and in fact causes dehydration of which something like 1500 people a year die from it(u.s).
      40 degrees F is cold enough to severely retard growth of the bacteria. It may not kill it, and won't get rid of any toxins, but it will severly slow down growth. 40f is around what a refrigerator would provide. Of course, I am talking about 40F! That is only 8 degrees above freezing. 40C would be enough to give salmonella a VERY nice environment to thrive. Of course, I assume you are talking about farenheit, because 325C is VERY hot! 617F!

      You also would have a major news story because if that Restaurant you are naming indeed was serving food that was improperly stored,not cooked up to temperature and was not washed or the cutting surface was not washed with bleach and a couple gallons of water. there would be multiple infected people. not just you.
      the symptoms you describe also could be caused from drinking water with a high amount of chlorine in it. So unless there is a lot of people running around with the crappers and the restaurant has now been shut down and is under investigation I wouldn't think it is directly responsible.
      Actually, if THEY were the only one that got a dish containing the infected produce, or the chef was very careless or used old meat, it IS possible they could be the ONLY affected people. ever hear of typhoid mary? SHE was one such chef! She was famous because she was IMMUNE to the disease, a carrier, and didn't believe anyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary Interesting factoid! She could probably have cooked safely, and NEVER be known by that name, if ONLY she washed her hands!

      BTW Typhoid is a type of salmonella!
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The best reference for food poisoning would be the "Bad Bug Book" by the FDA

    Bad Bug Book: Introduction

    Gareth, I don't think anybody doubts that you had a bad round of food poisoning. What I am a bit worried about is that you have definitively linked it with a particular restaurant. If poor food handling practices are involved, it could be liable for prosecution under food safety regulations. I would be far happier if you had vomiting rather diarrhoea as the former is much more indicative of Stapholococcus toxin ingestion. The truth is that unless your faecal specimens and also the food you consumed is tested, we will never know the definitive answer. Quite often, even if specimens were available, it is still not possible to grow anything.

    I worked in a food safety laboratory whose results are often used in court cases. As a rule, it is only the small restaurants who end up admitting guilt and paying the fine. The larger chains may decide to fight and they usually win because a lot of the science behind it is very empirical and difficult to explain in court.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi Steve,

    I appreciate your thoughts
    Salmonella has over 2500 different variations but is present in all forms of meat. and domestic animals for that matter. in this case it would not be a transference due to produce. being as the poor fellow ate chicken and chips.
    and a half chicken at that. which would suggest that is not the only piece or chicken that was served out that day.

    as for the rest. 325 f is a min temp for cooking chicken turkey beef etc.

    anyhow good to see you examining things either way what gareth has said doesn't point to salmenella poisoning. which actually causes swelling in the intestines vomiting and bloody/watery bowel movements.
    I made a mistake though it is not 1500 that are claimed a year it is 500 in the u.s at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    I stopped going to this Nandos long ago because it ain't the cleanest joint and all the staff are 3rd world immigrants or students.

    One time I saw the chef wipe the sweat dribbling off his forehead with his bare hand then proceed without any hygiene to handle the food.

    That among other things put me off the place - but I forgot.

    Poultry + unhygienic restaurant + my hygiene is unchanged from normal = it must be the Nandos 90% probability
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      I stopped going to this Nandos long ago because it ain't the cleanest joint and all the staff are 3rd world immigrants or students.

      One time I saw the chef wipe the sweat dribbling off his forehead with his bare hand then proceed without any hygiene to handle the food.

      That among other things put me off the place - but I forgot.

      Poultry + unhygienic restaurant + my hygiene is unchanged from normal = it must be the Nandos 90% probability
      NEVER go where they are all 3rd world! That is even WORSE! The lousy stuff you are describing is RIFE in the US! It is LAW to wash your hands, etc... Most restaurants have a sign stating employees must wash, etc... A place could get shut down for that garbage. STILL, at the local IN N OUT, a popular fast food chain, in california, I would see people prepare food, mop up, and then prepare MORE food with NO care, not even gloves! EVEN if the mop handle were clean, etc..., a sick person could hold the mop, and another could pick up the disease. Since they handle buns and condiments, all the cooking in the world won't ensure containment.

      People have ALSO used wet rags to clean cutting boards. Since that happens most often with sandwich shops, old chicken could have a MINOR amount of bacteria that could grow on the board and be mixed with whatever.

      HECK, with all the alergies, it is a miracle that people aren't dying left and right because they will often mix alergens!

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    I'm on day 3 now - still feeling seedy but definitely a bit better.

    I want to eat but my guts is still a bit funny.

    Sorry Alan I was feeling grouchy.
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    Well I am very great full now. It took a full 7 days to get rid of that bug. Very nasty.
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