The Steve Wagenheim Pledge...Who Wants To Take It?

[Steven Wagenheim]

I have done a lot of thinking here at this forum and I've made a decision
that some may agree with and some may not, but for me it's a personal
choice because I want to devote more of my time to more productive
efforts. That's how you make more money, is it not? At least that much we
can agree on. Wasted time is not going to feed you.

So this is my pledge.

From here on in, any threads here on this main forum where somebody
does or says something that might be seen as controversial or even just
plain wrong, I'm no longer going to get into the heated debate because
ultimately, nobody wins.

If I think the post in question is spam or dangerous in some way or
inappropriate, I will take 10 seconds to hit the report button and be done
with it.

If enough people do this, the thread that has everybody ready to either
lynch the OP or each other, after the bullets start to fly, will cease to
exist and the commotion that usually follows will never get to that point.

I know there are those here who love a good argument, and if you are
one of them, great, I'm not going to tell you to give up your enjoyment.

But myself? I no longer have time for it.

And it is for that reason that I'm not even going to try to argue with the
few who won't agree with this stance that I am taking.

Again, I am not doing nothing. I am simply going to report the offensive
post, for whatever reason, and move on.

If I'm going to be a successful as I plan to be next year, I have to stop
wasting time getting into arguments. It serves no purpose.

So who wants to join me? Who wants to be more productive and let
those who just like to bitch and complain enjoy themselves?

I welcome all to the club who want to join.

Personally, I think it's a club that will lead to increased success for all
the members in it.

Peace to you all...and the report button is

[joblythe]

I said exactly that to myself about half an hour ago (and twittered it!) - and told myself to "Get on with some bloody work!" . . . .

And what happens . . . .

I just can't help myself

[Bill Farnham]

Steve,

I think you are being completely unreasonable about this.

If not you, than who?

How in the dickens are you going to keep your post count in the lead if you give up the fight?

Sheesh! Just when I'm really getting to enjoy your posts.

I knew I should have joined this forum a few years ago...

KJ

[Michael Dominic]

Steven, I understand where you're coming from. The reality is that some people like to get into debates, try to uncover the truth, and there's nothing that will stop that from happening.

This is a forum, you have the freedom to post your own thread, reply to whichever thread you'd like, and ultimately write whatever you'd like. This forum is governed by us. If we are unhappy with people's words, you're right, the report button is there.

[Akin Alabi]

If we join you, don't you think a bit of spice will depart the forum?

[Talltom1]

Steven, I think you're compounding the problem in several ways, and not necessarily solving it. Yes, we all understand you're busy. But taking the additional time to report a thread, that you've already spent the time reading (and getting upset about) is wasting even yet more time. And it's not just the time you spend reporting it; it's the time you spend being all cranked up about it as well.

Secondly, arbitrarily hitting the 'report' button every time you read something disagreeable to you, places you in the position of being judgemental and arbitrary, very much like the recent situation that erupted.

Disagreeable people will always inhabit the earth, whether we report them or not. It's completely your choice about how much more of your time you allow them to waste. Learn how to wear your teflon suit and turn around and walk away, before you get wound up and upset. Once you learn how to do that, you keep complete control of how YOU choose to spend your time.

Talltom

[Mary Gallivan]

Hi Steven

I'm in 2 minds about this.

I agree with you in principle. On the other hand, although I do my best not to get into heated debates in here, I think you can learn a lot from some of the posts.

I've read some threads in the past and quickly pick up on the members who have virtually no business ethics so I can make a mental note to avoid them at all costs. They also bring out a side of people that you don't normally see and you can sum up a person fairly quickly.

Granted, some are really irritating but it's up to us to ignore them and move on, don't rise to the bait. Others are just so funny they can be great fun to watch from the sidelines and add a bit of light relief.

Best wishes

Mary

[Marhelper]

Sounds like a plan to me.

[traces2757]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I have done a lot of thinking here at this forum and I've made a decision
that some may agree with and some may not, but for me it's a personal
choice because I want to devote more of my time to more productive
efforts. That's how you make more money, is it not? At least that much we
can agree on. Wasted time is not going to feed you.

So this is my pledge.

From here on in, any threads here on this main forum where somebody
does or says something that might be seen as controversial or even just
plain wrong, I'm no longer going to get into the heated debate because
ultimately, nobody wins.

If I think the post in question is spam or dangerous in some way or
inappropriate, I will take 10 seconds to hit the report button and be done
with it.

If enough people do this, the thread that has everybody ready to either
lynch the OP or each other, after the bullets start to fly, will cease to
exist and the commotion that usually follows will never get to that point.

I know there are those here who love a good argument, and if you are
one of them, great, I'm not going to tell you to give up your enjoyment.

But myself? I no longer have time for it.

And it is for that reason that I'm not even going to try to argue with the
few who won't agree with this stance that I am taking.

Again, I am not doing nothing. I am simply going to report the offensive
post, for whatever reason, and move on.

If I'm going to be a successful as I plan to be next year, I have to stop
wasting time getting into arguments. It serves no purpose.

So who wants to join me? Who wants to be more productive and let
those who just like to bitch and complain enjoy themselves?

I welcome all to the club who want to join.

Personally, I think it's a club that will lead to increased success for all
the members in it.

Peace to you all...and the report button is

I'm with you 100%. I'm still working on getting organized enough to start working on a solid marketing plan. My energies are best spent there.

[DeePower]

It sounds like your biggest concern is productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 + Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums, I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

And if Steven would have done that a lot of us wouldn't have learned as much as we have about Internet Marketing. I would bet at least 8000 of those posts were full of valuable content.

Dee

[Andrew Maule]

Starts with a pledge, ends with the Kool-Aid.

[Evita]

Deleting spam I can see....

But who am I to decide what is inappropriate? Why silence something I feel is inappropriate just cuz *I* find it inappropriate?

Best thing is to just move on, and let those who may not find the post inappropriate post away.


Evita

[charlesburke]

Excellent guideline, Steven, not only for this forum but for life in general. Let those who disagree do so, but they'll have to do it as we walked on forward.

Thanks for putting it so clearly.

Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
Charles

[tommygadget]

If you are a shark and someone throws a tasty piece of flesh in the water, well... people will be people. You can seriously increase your productivity by limiting forum time to 30min. per day or less.

TomG.

[discrat]

You say you want to be more producitve and don't have the time to respond to controversy. But yet you come up with a whole new thread doing what you said you wanted to stay away from.
Sounds like you need some Medication !!

[Neil Morgan]

Hi Steve

While I agree with most of your post, I know I'm not going to be able to stop myself from commenting when opinion is expressed as fact in such a way that new people could make poor choices because of it.

Goodness knows they have a hard enough time trying to work their way through the minefield that is IM.

But apart from that, it's what I tend to do already. In fact, even if someone picks a fight with me directly I simply butt out - it just isn't that important to me.

Cheers,

Neil

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by DeePower

It sounds like your biggest concern is productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 + Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums, I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

And if Steven would have done that a lot of us wouldn't have learned as much as we have about Internet Marketing. I would bet at least 8000 of those posts were full of valuable content.

Dee

Not only that, but I think Steven already DOES have 10,000 articles. In this case, it isn't an either/or. He's got both.

[Dave777]

Originally Posted by DeePower

It sounds like your biggest concern is productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 + Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums, I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

And if Steven would have done that a lot of us wouldn't have learned as much as we have about Internet Marketing. I would bet at least 8000 of those posts were full of valuable content.

Dee

Bet most of us wouldn't mind having all the income that those 10,000 posts created...

Steve's posts, everyone of them are definitely worth studying! An encyclopedia for all kinds of Learning...

Keep in mind Google loves Warrior posts, lots of them...

Dave

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by DeePower

I would bet at least 8000 of those posts were full of valuable content.

I'd say that's getting a little carried away. That's the kind of comment that may give 'ol SW a big head. I keed, I keed.

Seriously though, it would be interesting to see a list of Warriors whose valuable posts exceed 80% of their total.

[zeppb]

Well I agree with you Steven. Some debates IMO are fine as long as they don't get out of hand however some threads/posts that are just spam should be reported. This place is here for new IM's like myself and old IM's to come together and share our tips and tricks. The goal is for everyone to succeed not waste our precious time getting into arguments or waste time by reading spam etc. Although I fall victim to not accomplish my day to day schedule sometimes it helps to not waste that time needed on irrelevent threads etc.

[Black Hat Cat]

Yes, Steven is so dedicated to no longer wasting time that he comes here as quick as he can to waste his time making a worthless post, lol.

Too too funny....

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

He can't. His job...errr.."business" depends on it.

[zephyrwriting]

Seeing as he pledged not to engage in debates, I guess that includes this one.

Nothing wrong him doing what he's proposing to do though. To each their own.

-Vish.

[reapr]

Steve I can understand your frustration. I left another popular forum because of exactly what you are fed up with. Getting into heated arguments with people who are dishing out bad or misleading info is not fun. Since joining here I have since decided either to ignore that person and not respond directly or just drop my response in a thread for the general public to see and leave it alone. There is a ton of bad info out there that keeps getting regurgitated and to be honest my IM stuff did not take off until I started doing my own thinking, testing and tracking.

You add some valuable stuff to this forum and it would be nice to see you as a continuing contributor hopefully you will still pop in once in a while make a contribution and avoid stepping in the cow patties.

There are some disagreeable people who aren't even worth the effort, though. They are, for whatever reason, completely miserable. If we get sucked up in that it only hurts us. I completely understand where Steven is coming from!

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Mary Gallivan

Hi Steven

I'm in 2 minds about this.

I agree with you in principle. On the other hand, although I do my best not to get into heated debates in here, I think you can learn a lot from some of the posts.

I've read some threads in the past and quickly pick up on the members who have virtually no business ethics so I can make a mental note to avoid them at all costs. They also bring out a side of people that you don't normally see and you can sum up a person fairly quickly.

Granted, some are really irritating but it's up to us to ignore them and move on, don't rise to the bait. Others are just so funny they can be great fun to watch from the sidelines and add a bit of light relief.

Best wishes

Mary

Mary, you make a good point here. You can learn a lot about someone by the way they conduct themselves in some of these debates.

If you think that someone is justified and absolutely right about what they say you may be interested in buying one of their products. On the other hand, if someone is a complete a**hole and maybe even comes across as less than intelligent, it would be a good idea to put your credit card away when you see their WSO.

I've sort of done this in reverse. I've bought products from people that I thought were really good and they seem like smart and genuinly good people and when I later saw their take on a debate on this forum I was totally on their side. It sort of cemented my thoughts and feelings about the individual. But, I will also be on the look out for the people I want to stay away from.

[Mike McBride]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

It sounds like your biggest concern is productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 + Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums, I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

Dude, you might want to spend some more time here and get to know some of the people before you make a statement like that. I daresay Steven works harder and is more productive than most of us here.

Sheesh ... I hope I didn't just start any controversy with that statement!

[Eric Lorence]

Ahh...

Someth'n will get him worked up again...

He'll be back!

[AndrewCavanagh]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Steve,

I think you are being completely unreasonable about this.

If not you, than who?

How in the dickens are you going to keep your post count in the lead if you give up the fight?

My thoughts exactly.

You're inconsiderately leaving a whole pile of work for everyone else to pick up the slack without you.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

To me, It just seems like Steven doesn't have a business model.

I have a business model...a very good one.

Don't make assumptions when you have no idea what a person is doing
with his business.

[tomw]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I have a business model...a very good one.

Don't make assumptions when you have no idea what a person is doing
with his business.

Steve,

you have always come across to me as a sweet and sensitive guy and you have always put yourself out there like nobody I've ever come across on a forum.

But you posted a thread a couple of days ago where you detailed your day. Many where very grateful that you did this, myself included. It was a very valuable post and I'm sure many learnt a lot from it. I think that many would have been pretty blown away by the amount of work you do. I know that I was.

My first thought was also that this is not a business. It is a (more than!) full time job. It doesn't matter whether or not you enjoy it. It doesn't matter that it is your day and you can spend it any way that you choose. The simple fact is that you put it out there and so people will express a view on it. You have to expect this.

Danc1122 doesn't need to, nor did he, make an assumption about it because you frequently share so much (every detail it sometimes seems) about what you do to make a living. The "my day" post was just another, albeit fuller, example of this.

The simple fact is that people do make a lot more money by working a lot less hours and working a lot smarter. You yourself have expressed a desire to do this also. Hence the new plans for the New Year. Hence the (noble) intention behind this thread.

So my question to you, as someone who thinks of you very fondly, is why do you do it? Why do you put yourself out there so openly and then (if you think about it and review many of your posts) respond so defensively to other people's reactions to and views on the things that you share?

Don't take it so personally. You're a star and we all love you. This will never change. You've given so much to so many. How could anyone not admire and respect you for this?

However, I just don't understand why you sometimes sour the medicine.

Back to your OP...

Arguments often do serve a purpose. Through conflict comes progress. As do many of the best ideas because conflict, either external or internal, is one of the fundamental keys to creativity. It is also fundamental to successful collaboration and as you are well aware it is fundamental to storytelling. And everybody loves a great story. Particularly the dramas that happen around here every so often. These are essential for the success of any community. Particularly a forum. It builds characters and tension. People choose a side, root for the good guys in the white hats and hiss at the villains. Just like any great story or any soap opera. It keeps people engaged and interested. And as we know, when people are engaged and interested they learn.

And that, after all, is what its all about.

This forum is a bit of a miracle when you think about it. When we take time away from our work in the wonderful and diverse field of "marketing" we choose to spend some (often too much!) of it here, learning about marketing! In the UK we call this a Busman's holiday! Roughly translated as a pretty stupid thing to do! But we do it because we love our craft. We do it because we love this place. As it is. Warts and all. A community is only as good as it's members. Those we may view as the good guys AND the villains are all essential to making this place what it is and it would be less of a diverse, engaging and often highly entertaining learning environment without them.

It is such a delicate miracle. Upset the balance too much and it will fall apart. Exactly like a hot summer blockbuster where the good guy never runs out of ammunition, never misses a shot, never catches a bullet, always gets an ass whooping from an angry boss, always beats the baddie, always gets the girl. It simply becomes pointless and dull. And nobody wants that.

So why change it?

There isn't a single shred of me that doubts your noble sentiments, but as they often say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Thomas.

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I have a business model...a very good one.

Don't make assumptions when you have no idea what a person is doing
with his business.

So much for that pledge.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by tomw

Steve,

you have always come across to me as a sweet and sensitive guy and you have always put yourself out there like nobody I've ever come across on a forum.

But you posted a thread a couple of days ago where you detailed your day. Many where very grateful that you did this, myself included. It was a very valuable post and I'm sure many learnt a lot from it. I think that many would have been pretty blown away by the amount of work you do. I know that I was.

My first thought was also that this is not a business. It is a (more than!) full time job. It doesn't matter whether or not you enjoy it. It doesn't matter that it is your day and you can spend it any way that you choose. The simple fact is that you put it out there and so people will express a view on it. You have to expect this.

Danc1122 doesn't need to, nor did he, make an assumption about it because you frequently share so much (every detail it sometimes seems) about what you do to make a living. The "my day" post was just another, albeit fuller, example of this.

The simple fact is that people do make a lot more money by working a lot less hours and working a lot smarter. You yourself have expressed a desire to do this also. Hence the new plans for the New Year. Hence the (noble) intention behind this thread.

So my question to you, as someone who thinks of you very fondly, is why do you do it? Why do you put yourself out there so openly and then (if you think about it and review many of your posts) respond so defensively to other people's reactions to and views on the things that you share?

Don't take it so personally. You're a star and we all love you. This will never change. You've given so much to so many. How could anyone not admire and respect you for this?

However, I just don't understand why you sometimes sour the medicine.

Back to your OP...

Arguments often do serve a purpose. Through conflict comes progress. As do many of the best ideas because conflict, either external or internal, is one of the fundamental keys to creativity. It is also fundamental to successful collaboration and as you are well aware it is fundamental to storytelling. And everybody loves a great story. Particularly the dramas that happen around here every so often. These are essential for the success of any community. Particularly a forum. It builds characters and tension. People choose a side, root for the good guys in the white hats and hiss at the villains. Just like any great story or any soap opera. It keeps people engaged and interested. And as we know, when people are engaged and interested they learn.

And that, after all, is what its all about.

This forum is a bit of a miracle when you think about it. When we take time away from our work in the wonderful and diverse field of "marketing" we choose to spend some (often too much!) of it here, learning about marketing! In the UK we call this a Busman's holiday! Roughly translated as a pretty stupid thing to do! But we do it because we love our craft. We do it because we love this place. As it is. Warts and all. A community is only as good as it's members. Those we may view as the good guys AND the villains are all essential to making this place what it is and it would be less of a diverse, engaging and often highly entertaining learning environment without them.

It is such a delicate miracle. Upset the balance too much and it will fall apart. Exactly like a hot summer blockbuster where the good guy never runs out of ammunition, never misses a shot, never catches a bullet, always gets an ass whooping from an angry boss, always beats the baddie, always gets the girl. It simply becomes pointless and dull. And nobody wants that.

So why change it?

There isn't a single shred of me that doubts your noble sentiments, but as they often say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Thomas.

Thomas, excellent and well thought out post.

Kudos to you.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

So much for that pledge.

Garrie, you got me.

[tomw]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Thomas, excellent and well thought out post.

Kudos to you.

Well, I learnt a thing or two about a thing or two from this guy on a forum with over ten thousand posts.



Thomas

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

From here on in, any threads here on this main forum where somebody
does or says something that might be seen as controversial or even just
plain wrong, I'm no longer going to get into the heated debate because
ultimately, nobody wins.

I can't imagine what it must be like to want to reply to every whim.

I find that getting out and mingling with other human beings, in person,
keeps me from trying to sustain an existence in forums

Good luck on your new, personal challenge Steve.

- John

[Kiwigal]

Steve I,ve enjoyed the balance you have given in your response to various threads, you carry a lot of respect in this forum and well deserved at that.

peace to you also..

[tomw]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

I do have an idea. You have over 10,000 post and most of the time you talk about your business and a lot of the time in great detail.

In my opinion, your business model is basically writing hundreds of articles and linking to CB products...and the second part is relying on people clicking your signature here on the forums.

Yes, your making decent money, (In fact, more than me...but then again I'm only 16 years old) but with a strategy like that...your income depends on what you do everyday. So, if you stop writing articles and stop posting on the forums...then your income is slowly going to dry up. Right?

And after seeing your daily schedule...and how hard you have to work just to make 300-400 bucks a day or w.e...you have to ask yourself if it's REALLY worth it and is that how you REALLY want to live everyday of your life.

I mean, If you had ONE day to live...or if you asked yourself what would a perfect day look like...would it consist of sitting inside all day working 15 hours a day writing articles and posting on forums like a madman?

In my mind, The goal of a building a business is to get it to a point so that it eventually runs on "autopilot" or needs very little maintenance and can be almost fully hired out, but still continues to bring in consistent revenue.

Wow! You're one smart cookie. We'll all be working for YOU one day soon. When I was 16 all I cared about was Emma Bullen's figure and Liverpool FC. Not much has changed...!

Thomas

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

I do have an idea. You have over 10,000 post and most of the time you talk about your business and a lot of the time in great detail.

In my opinion, your business model is basically writing hundreds of articles and linking to CB products...and the second part is relying on people clicking your signature here on the forums.

Yes, your making decent money, (In fact, more than me...but then again I'm only 16 years old) but with a strategy like that...your income depends on what you do everyday. So, if you stop writing articles and stop posting on the forums...then your income is slowly going to dry up. Right?

And after seeing your daily schedule...and how hard you have to work just to make 300-400 bucks a day or w.e...you have to ask yourself if it's REALLY worth it and is that how you REALLY want to live everyday of your life.

I mean, If you had ONE day to live...or if you asked yourself what would a perfect day look like...would it consist of sitting inside all day working 15 hours a day writing articles and posting on forums like a madman?

In my mind, The goal of a building a business is to get it to a point so that it eventually runs on "autopilot" or needs very little maintenance and can be almost fully hired out, but still continues to bring in consistent revenue.

Buddy!

Its Steve's business and he decides how to conduct it. He knows he could be making much more but the crazy reality of things is that he is waiting for some thing... Maybe that thing is the plan he has for next year. Who knows?

What I do know is that this is a public forum and you, SW or anyone else has full rights to say what they want to and do what they want to in general. And at WF you are free to accept only those pieces of advice that you deem fit.

Yet I have only one thing to say... SW is going way ahead of most people on this forum, and I doubt lot more than 90% of people actively participating here would love to be in his position.

@ Steven...

I think your decision is a great one and ultimately this Sunday morning its a perfect dosier for me. I'd also like to interact only when people have to listen to what I have to say or else I wouldn't say anything at all. I mean they can pay for it... As an IM'er I charge money for value... Although pennies when you look at it carefully. I mean 5 hours of video content for $97? It's crazy isn't it. But still, I'd spend that time creating even more products.

So I believe that one of the best things to do would be getting the time spent in order... And creating valuable products, and then helping affiliates sell them, instead of debating here when its pointless. I'd try to learn this onle from you, and see how you stay out of debates, although you might be hitting the Report button 10 times more than me because I rarely use that, if ever!

But thanks for this early morning dossier...

-Lakshay

P.S. On a side note, have you ever felt the chill of the weather slowing down your typing speed? I just did

[myob]

What happened you? This silly idea will never work. There are over 100,000 in this forum. Do you really believe a significant number will pledge to really make any difference?

Besides, I'm making residual income already, so actually I have plenty of time for controversy and heated debates. Anyone who wants to debate, I say bring it on! (Just trying to bring up my post count.)

[GarrieWilson]

Great example is auto industry bailout. All the news stations and what not continue to bash the top 3 CEO's for flying in a private jet, even though it has no relevancy to the purpose of the bailout.

Actually, it does. It shows poor management and PR.

GM had 5 jets before the washington trip. Think about the cost of the jet, the staff for the flight (pilots, sexy girls serving peanuts) and fuel. The dont forget the limo (towncar atleast), driver and 5 star meals.

It's a lot of money and when a company is going belly up, you cut everything. Fly coach, drive yourself in a cheap car and stay at a Holiday inn express. but the CEOs dont give up perks. they would rather lay a couple hundred/thousand people off. even though the CEOs are the ones to blame.

[VegasVince]

Yo Waggs...

Vinnie here loves you, bro.

But that had to be the worst OP you'se have ever penned...and considering you've written like hundreds of thousands of them...that's really sayin' something.

It was so bad Waggs....your post evaporated before I even reached your 27 different signatures. Uggggggg!

If I can't be mean, nasty, rude, and politically incorrect.....if I can't threaten to blow up your car like I did last month....or poison your wife's rose garden like I did last year.....what's the point of me hangin' around this joint?

As for the haters....they made you'se Waggs.

If it wasn't for them...yanking your chain...you'd only have like 24,000 Warriors posts......as oppossed to the 198,000 you have now. Capiche.


xxx Vegas Vince


p.s. Waggs...your singing absolutely sucks. You'se sound like Judy Garland with strep throat.

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

So your basically saying it's unfair to have expansive perks even though your the brain behind a company that generates BILLIONS in tax revenues and creates THOUSANDS of jobs.

It's unfair when you are closing plants AND asking for $25 billion dollars.

A private jet or 2 does not even compare to the amount of money that company generates in tax revenues for our country.

Private jets and other perks are for companies that can afford them. The big 3, at this moment, can't.

I do not understand why everyone hates CEO's. Just because someone has failed to reach the American dream it seems they have to start pointing figures and play the blame game because of one simple thing...JEALOUSLY.

Never said I hated CEOs. I don't know anyone who does. I do, however, dislike companies going under, spending money on perks and asking for MY tax dollars to stay a float. It has nothing to do with jealously.

Besides, if we don't bail them out, and they happen to go bankrupt...it means American workers are going to lose there job...but the CEO is still going to own BILLIONS in assets.

Actually, the CEOs wont own billions in assets if they go under. The company jets, cars, and homes are sold off and the CEOs stocks options go away. The CEO just finds another job.

So they say the American taxpayer is bailing out the CEO...In reality, the American taxpayer is bailing out other American tax payers. Face it, the CEO is in a Win-Win situation in terms of money.

No, they say the tax payers are bailing out poorly managed companies that don't have a plan as to what to do with the money or how they are going to repay it. If you had a clue, you would know the big 3 didn't even present a real plan to Congress.

Just a great example of just how jealous people are.

You're young so I am going to let this slide. However, let me give you some advice.

Learn facts before you speak about something you have no clue about. And don't say someone is jelouse when you don't know them.

And stop confusing jelously with opinions that are different from yours.

If you can't beat em, join them. (A.K.A stop whining, bitching and complaining about how they make too much money and become a CEO yourself if it's so easy)

The CEOs of the big 3 do make too much. The proof is the financial situation of the companies.

The CEOs of Wal-Mart, Microsofts, Google, etc. are worth every penny and then some because they are growing their companies and profits. They arent driving them into the ground.

Oh, don't blame it on the economy either. A well ran company expects bad yearS and has cash reserve. The big 3, though, had problems long before the economy started going bad.

[Louis Raven]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

It sounds like your biggest concern is productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 + Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums, I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

LMAO!

Read your post again, do you know how many fans this dude has ALL from forum marketing?

Every post makes people click his profile and through to his sites. They need to find out why a very modest man Like Steven isn't leaving money on the table for us and well.. smashing niches wide open.

Every post he makes on forums IS an article.

I realised this long ago. You just need to take a step back and look outside the box

Do you think all of the 10.000 posts he has made hasn't made him thousands of dollars and created one of the most loyal gang of followers (me)?

Steven alone is a great big subliminal ad.

Watch him and learn.

Louis

[ExRat]

Hi,

@Vince -

Hi Danc1122,

I'm not so sure about the follow ups, but for a youngster your first post was spot on.

Hi Steven,

The Steve Wagenheim Pledge

It starts going wrong when you start taking yourself too seriously. Learn from what has gone before you.

Hi Paul,

Besides, I'm making residual income already, so actually I have plenty of time for controversy and heated debates. Anyone who wants to debate, I say bring it on!

Touche!

[YiKeS]

Originally Posted by Danc1122

It sounds like your biggest concern is
productiveness and how you don't have time, yet you have 10,000 +
Post!!!

If you spent as much time on your business as you do on the forums,
I bet your income would SKYROCKET!

So If you REALLY want to be more productive than stop wasting your
time of forums.

Imagine if those 10,000 post you have were 10,000 articles.

Most of those 10 000 posts are articles! well as
long as an average one anyway ... or small novel

Guaranteed it`s made a lot of dollars all that posting ...

Christopher J.

[Steven Wagenheim]

You know what's REALLY funny?

I could come here, make a post that says, "It's a really great day today,
don't you think?"

And I'd still get slack.

Here's how the thread would develop.

"How dare you assume it's a great day for everybody! Don't you know there
are people here who suffer everyday, who either aren't making money or are
sick. How DARE you rub it in our faces that you're having a GREAT day
because you're well and making money"

"Hey come on, the guy was just saying it's a great day today."

"Yes, but if he didn't want feedback he shouldn't have asked us what
we think. He did invite that response by asking for feedback"

"Yes and one person's great day is another person's miserable day."

"Well, what makes a great day anyway. How do we define it? I mean for
me, a great day could be just being able to watch TV all day."

"How could you define watching TV all day as a great day? Watching TV
is the biggest waste of time on the planet. Most of the stuff on TV is
crap."

"What about the news? The news is important to know what's going on."

"Please, news important? The news is so damn slanted that you never
know what's REALLY going on in the world."

"Yeah. and besides, they cover up most stuff anyway. You know that
we really don't get the REAL news."

"Are you suggesting that there are conspiracies?"

"Oh please, you know there are. You really think you know HALF of what
is REALLY going on in the world? The media is as corrupt as the
government."

"What do you know about our government? Your profile says you come
from..."

"I know more about YOUR government than YOU do, that's for sure. At
least my government doesn't brainwash me like yours does."

(Me, slinking away into a corner mumbling to myself ) Geesh, all I said was
that it's a great day.

Enjoy your rag fest folks...I'm not playing this game anymore.

[grumpyjacksa]

maybe there should be a "brawl room" section for those people who actually enjoy controversy, confrontation and conflict.....

i agree with Steve. in the time spent to defend a statement from attacks, he could have helped half a dozen newbies solve problems.

ironically, even in making this statement he has had to defend his view.......

some people just have to turn everything into a "heated debate", for lack of a better word.......

[YiKeS]

Was it something I said!??

Obviously I am missing something here

*scrolls and actually reads further than the post quoted*

OooooooK ... bad choice of quotes perraps!

Christopher J.

P.S. Anyway .. chill .. !

[myob]

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Paul,



Touche!

This isn't going to last. As soon as Steve starts making a little money again, he'll back with a vengeance. Just as feisty as ever.

BTW, What the hell do you mean by "Touche"; does that mean agreement, or you wanna start something?

[YiKeS]

Originally Posted by myob

This isn't going to last. As soon as Steve starts making a little money again, he'll back with a vengeance. Just as feisty as ever.

BTW, What the hell do you mean by "Touche"; does that mean agreement, or you wanna start something?

It`s french for "Paybacks A Bitch!"

Christopher J.