Facebook's Latest Bomb

by 82ana
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On January 14th Facebook announced through their blog that they were giving developers access to more user information (address and Phone no.)! We (FB users) however have the option of not sharing this information if we don't want to, with third parties.

I'm not much of an FB user/fan as is but I don't think the kids who make up for a large part of FB will be fully aware of what the consequences are. If you look at the window asking for access, it offers no warnings as to what is at stake. This could make a lot of FB users more vulnerable to scams/hacks and well a lot worse.

Here is the official announcement: Platform Updates: New User Object fields, Edge.remove Event and More - Facebook Developers

That's my 2 cents. What do you think?
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think if you put more info on there than you are willing to risk anyone, regardless of who, seeing in the first place that you might be a tad nuts.
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    • Profile picture of the author 82ana
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think if you put more info on there than you are willing to risk anyone, regardless of who, seeing in the first place that you might be a tad nuts.
      I have a very limited social existence over FB but this will effect kids that don't fully understand what they are getting into. Call them nuts if your will Sal but that is the shiny truth of it.

      It surprises me a lot when people take Wikileak's indulgence of privacy seriously but not FB. Just plain weird that we can "accept" this without any outrage. Tad nuts, yeah I agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think if you put more info on there than you are willing to risk anyone, regardless of who, seeing in the first place that you might be a tad nuts.
      Nuts if the user understands what they are doing and know the potential consequences. Unfortunately, many have no clue. Not only kids either.

      In fact, both my sisters, my sister in law, many nieces and even my wife to a degree had no idea about what is being shared and how to turn some of this off. They just think FB is fun.

      They know better now though
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      • Profile picture of the author 82ana
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Nuts if the user understands what they are doing and know the potential consequences. Unfortunately, many have no clue. Not only kids either.

        In fact, both my sisters, my sister in law, many nieces and even my wife to a degree had no idea about what is being shared and how to turn some of this off. They just think FB is fun.

        They know better now though
        My sisters are pretty clueless about the actual "privacy" setting for FB, too. I had to make a couple of calls myself. :/
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          I'm not much of an FB user/fan as is but I don't think the kids who make up for a large part of FB will be fully aware of what the consequences are. If you look at the window asking for access, it offers no warnings as to what is at stake. This could make a lot of FB users more vulnerable to scams/hacks and well a lot worse.
          I completely agree, unfortunately, kids are not the only ones who make up what Hunter S Thompson once called the "dangerously innocent".

          There is now a common practice of being able to log in all over the net with your fb account, google, twitter...etc. with sites I have never heard of.


          If anyone thinks that it's all protected and big money and the government will "suddenly" just keep their nose out of your business, that is myopic thinking at best.

          The information they have is worth a fortune.

          Some people may believe in Santa...

          Peace

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          • Profile picture of the author mycyberquest
            That's too much privacy at stake.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah - I know, education is king..........but why are people tossing personal details online at facebook? It seems just weird to me that someone would put a phone number out to the public then freak out over it being shared. For cripes sakes - some people don't even list their addresses in phone books then they turn around and throw it on facebook. Does that make any sense whatsoever?

    Sometimes people need to use their heads instead of relying on everyone else to do their thinking for them.

    Everyone knows identity theft is rampant -- so why use a computer without educating yourself on what is going on? Sorry - I find that irresponsible. ESPECIALLY if you have kids that are using one, too. How much risk is a person willing to take with their kids before they figure out that they need to educate themselves and then teach them, too?

    I have no idea who you think I am - but I'm not different from anyone else online. In fact when it comes to technology I'm still a freaking techno-moron. Ask my tech if you don't believe me. I had not one hint of a clue what I was doing when I turned my machine on in 2004. It only took one virus to know that I had to learn more about security online. I've got 6 security systems running on this machine now and know I'm still vulnerable. If I had kids they'd know every damned thing I have learned about it, too -- and one of those things is that you don't put your phone and address anywhere that people can see it unless you are willing to "share" it with the world, and I don't care WHAT program you are typing it into.

    We can get upset and refuse to use programs when we don't like methods the program is using. Facebook announced over and over again that they were changing things and it's all in their TOS. Why weren't people paying attention? I went and downloaded a FF pluggin called "better privacy" to remove all those LSO's (super cookies) from my machine, too and that is not something that I waited for someone else to teach me about. It took actively doing the reading and research to find out about them - research that was triggered when I read FB TOS.

    That's why I call it "nuts".

    If someone as clueless about technology as I am can protect themselves - anybody can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Everyone knows identity theft is rampant.
      Based on that premise, I would agree with you. However, it is a faulty premise. I would actually go so far as to say a lot of people don't even know what identity theft is. And of those who know about it, very few have any idea just how much of a problem it really is.

      It's easy for us in the forum to look down on those who are "too stupid" (or whatever), but we deal with this stuff every day; they don't.

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Based on that premise, I would agree with you. However, it is a faulty premise. I would actually go so far as to say a lot of people don't even know what identity theft is. And of those who know about it, very few have any idea just how much of a problem it really is.

        It's easy for us in the forum to look down on those who are "too stupid" (or whatever), but we deal with this stuff every day; they don't.

        All the best,
        Michael

        I agree. But most people also suffer from the "Can't happen to me" syndrome.

        Why would people today drive without a seatbelt? It can cost them money in a ticket, and they could get seriously injured or killed in an accident where wearing a seatbelt would allow them to walk away. Same with texting while driving. Everyone knows it's dangerous, yet it's still rampant.

        Cause "It can't happen to me..."
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          I agree. But most people also suffer from the "Can't happen to me" syndrome.

          Why would people today drive without a seatbelt? It can cost them money in a ticket, and they could get seriously injured or killed in an accident where wearing a seatbelt would allow them to walk away. Same with texting while driving. Everyone knows it's dangerous, yet it's still rampant.

          Cause "It can't happen to me..."
          Hi Mike,

          I was actually thinking the same thing as I was making my post. However, there have been massive public education campaigns about the use of seat belts - both from a positive and negative angle. While there have been a few similar campaigns aimed at protecting people from ID theft, they haven't approached the same saturation.

          You're right, though, about the idea of "it can't happen to me". My main point is that a lot of people don't know exactly what "it" is, in this case.

          All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author 82ana
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yeah - I know, education is king..........but why are people tossing personal details online at facebook? It seems just weird to me that someone would put a phone number out to the public then freak out over it being shared. For cripes sakes - some people don't even list their addresses in phone books then they turn around and throw it on facebook. Does that make any sense whatsoever?

      Sometimes people need to use their heads instead of relying on everyone else to do their thinking for them.
      I'm sorry Sal, if it came off as a bit offensive in the earlier reply. *blush*
      Because yes there is truth to what you are saying, people should not trust anything/anyone online. The responsibility ultimately falls on their shoulders for protecting themselves and their families.

      The reality (IMHO) is very different. People just don't know or as Mike Ambrosio and Michael Oksa point out suffer from a "it can't happen to me" syndrome.

      Protective as I am of my privacy, there have been times, when I have not really given a "tweet" a second thought (even when it divulged I was not home or off to work) before publishing it. I know, my mistake but most people don't even know its wrong.

      Shouldn't these corporations be a little more accountable for how much risk they can put their users under? Should we really let the corporations do whatever they can with our information while we are solely the ones at risk from these actions?

      Education is king and that is why I am, and I strongly suggest everyone else should spread the word too.
      Its just wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Sal,

    Yeah I agree,which is part of my point. People put all their info on sites like this largely because they don't know any better. They think it's fun, or they see others do it so they think it's safe.

    It's already bad enough that your personal info is accessible on the internet without even having a FB account - when you purchase on line, use a credit card at the store,on line banking... places like that get hacked daily, yet people put their personal info on sites like FB every day.

    Even better is when they make posts like "Going on a vacation all next week - yeah!"

    I have some personal info on my FB account - but I also put a lot of "incorrect" info in, just in case.
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    Hello mate ,
    Thanks for this information.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You should NEVER give them your ccorrect birthdate. You should NEVER givee them a valid personal history. NEVER give more than 1 credit card, and THAT only if demanded. It is best to NOT give a phone number.

    We USED to only have 4 problems to watch for:

    1. People that didn't know/care to use SSL.
    2. People that didn't know/care to secure data stored on the system.
    3. There were bad people with access.

    TODAY, you can add computer "illnesses", trojans, etc.... AND companies that are selling, aggregating, or even GIVING out data!

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  • Profile picture of the author darrenscrawford
    I imagine it won't be long until we see news stories about peoples information being shared illegally.

    Unfortunately, for the most part people will forget about it all in another week or two and Facebook will continue to push the envelope on this. They profit by sharing demographic information so people can target ads - it is in their interest to share as much as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author 82ana
      Originally Posted by darrenscrawford View Post

      I imagine it won't be long until we see news stories about peoples information being shared illegally.

      Unfortunately, for the most part people will forget about it all in another week or two and Facebook will continue to push the envelope on this. They profit by sharing demographic information so people can target ads - it is in their interest to share as much as possible.
      It just bothers me that we are so resigned to it. It will happen, we just have to deal with it. *still an idealist* But you are right, in a week this will be all forgotten.

      Most here, fortunately know the repercussions of data "over-sharing" and are in the safe, for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    82ana - no need to apologize. You have to go a LOT further than that to ruffle my feathers, so speak your mind. God knows I do And for the record, get the Better Privacy pluggin for FF or your machine isn't safe from a LOT of sites. Those cookies are stored on your computer and used to "target" advertising. There are some legal suits going on over them because they are truly considered a breach of people's privacy because they follow you all over the place and watch what you're doing then place ads on some sites that they think are right up your alley. Want proof? Post in here about your favorite author and then go to facebook and look at your sidebar ads. It might take awhile to show up - on my computer it was a half an hour. Freaked me out for everything I was worth.....and that's why I went back and read the TOS again. Then I started researching cookies.

    Michael - do you really believe that people with debit and credit cards are totally clueless about identity theft? How can anyone not suffocate to death with their heads buried that far in the sand? Even MSM reports on that stuff. How can anybody use a card and be so unconcerned about it? good grief. I actually keep my wallet in an electrostatic bag so nobody can use one of those hand scanners on it.

    Mike - I thought I was the only one that lied on the forms, LOL. You should see some of the addresses I put down.

    When someone takes moves to protect themselves and still get whacked I feel bad for them - but when someone is just plain clueless because they care to stay clueless - I have better things to do than worry about them.
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    • Profile picture of the author 82ana
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      82ana - no need to apologize. You have to go a LOT further than that to ruffle my feathers, so speak your mind. God knows I do And for the record, get the Better Privacy pluggin for FF or your machine isn't safe from a LOT of sites. Those cookies are stored on your computer and used to "target" advertising. There are some legal suits going on over them because they are truly considered a breach of people's privacy because they follow you all over the place and watch what you're doing then place ads on some sites that they think are right up your alley. Want proof? Post in here about your favorite author and then go to facebook and look at your sidebar ads. It might take awhile to show up - on my computer it was a half an hour. Freaked me out for everything I was worth.....and that's why I went back and read the TOS again. Then I started researching cookies.
      Not proud to admit it but I used to have a knack for hacking. We (there were three of us) did it in school, just to play pranks on friends and teachers but one of us got arrested for hacking msn (2001). We all learned our lesson (he now works for IBM!!! and is pretty clean (except for working for IBM)). I know a lot about cookies and what evils they can bring in the wrong hands.

      ) Thanks Sal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Michael - do you really believe that people with debit and credit cards are totally clueless about identity theft? How can anyone not suffocate to death with their heads buried that far in the sand? Even MSM reports on that stuff. How can anybody use a card and be so unconcerned about it? good grief. I actually keep my wallet in an electrostatic bag so nobody can use one of those hand scanners on it.
    You said "Everyone knows identity theft is rampant" and that simply isn't true. I know for a fact that some of them ARE indeed clueless about identity theft. Just as not everybody is putting their wallet in electro statci bags out of some fear of it being scanned.

    But...I do believe most people fall somewhere in between the two extremes. It's all a matter of degrees, and we can't project our knowledge onto others for the sake of judging them.

    That being said, people DO have to ultimately take responsibility for their own actions, and inactions.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Michael - maybe you just hit on an important issue. How many other people think that putting your wallet in an electro-static bag is extreme? Anyone with a handheld scanning device standing next to you can scan your cards right through your wallet or purse and llift the ability to use your card. Don't ask me how it's done, I'm not a tech, but it can be done now. Maybe if people would stop seeing defenses against theft as "extreme" they might just quit getting victimized. I'd rather look like a Kook to someone than have my Card used without my knowledge or permission.
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