I have to defend TheenD (Sort of)

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A little while ago I read a thread he started stating that article marketing is a scam. To be clear - I 100% DO NOT believe this.

He was talking about an EZine author with over 24,000 articles published and went on with some assumptions for this persons income. I also DO NOT agree with his assumptions and think he missed the mark.

I also understand his frustrations with his attempts at article marketing, and I believe this is due to the article marketing business model he was looking at - here is what I mean.

I decided to go to Ezine and see who he was talking about. You can do the same if you want, I won't name him. I did this because with 24,000+ articles, I wanted to dig in to see what he was doing a bit more. i.e. niches, how many articles, how he set up his resource box, etc.

I ended up siging up for something he was giving away and got on his list, received a few emails on how to build a list, but also received some 'coaching session' recordings.

I got about half way through the second one, and the light bulb went on and I remembered TheenD's thread.

What this person is doing to earn income is Article Marketing, but he is not marketing a product, but rather a service, and it is IM Coaching.

1) Advertise someone else's solution to a problem
2) Get names to build your list
3) Build trust and confidence with the potential customers (don't try to sell yet)
4) Ask what problems you can solve for them (in that niche)
5) Create a product to sell to the customer.
6) Offer a coaching program for $2,000 - $5,000 (Having chosen a niche where coaching is appropriate.)

Get 2 - 1 students a week = $102,000 - $260,000 per year.

In the coaching mp3 I was listening to, which was just over 2 hours, he spent the first hour talking about why no other business model won't work. I think TheenD bought into this thinking, and some of it did make sense, but he had the audience believing that coaching in IM was the ONLY way to make big money.

This person uses article marketing to get names, build trust, and sell his product (coaching), and if my thinking is correct, he makes most likely between $500k and $1MM.

This is the highest margin product I have seen, and it also the highest priced type of product/service I have seen. (There could be other things, but I just don't know of them).

NOW:

I do believe that the thinking of TheenD was a bit naive to think that after just a few articles, he could sit back and let the paychecks roll in. He was also a bit naive to be convinced after such a short time that IM coaching was the only way to make money. Anything on the net takes a little time. Sure there are a few that hit it just right their first time, but I think they are the one-percenters.

The IM world is constantly changing. Someone who made $350k with Adsense five years ago, may not see that any more. Economies change, markets change, consumer thinking changes.

I would personally be happy with a steady stream of $20/day with Adsense. It would pay a few bills, and give the family an awesome vacation every year. Besides, once I figure out how to get to $20/day, I can figure out how to get to $200/day, or even $2,000/day.

I know people might flame me for this one, but after looking into the article marketing plan of the EZine author, I understand why he said what he did. I just wish he would have not looked at only one plan or method before making such a bold statement.

Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    He is a troll, and he was using deliberately deceptive numbers to say that article marketers work for less than minimum wage.

    What is to defend?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Bill, the post was definitely inflammatory, and his subsequent behavior turned trollish. But I take his tender years and lack of maturity into account as well.

      My big problem with him in that thread was taking two bits of data - the number of articles under one very prolific author name and a time span for posting those articles - and adding some wild guesses to come up with "facts" that he stubbornly defended.

      Scott still only has estimates, and he acknowledges that.

      The difference between Scott's numbers and TheenD's is the difference between a SWAG and a WAG.

      [SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess, as opposed to a simple WAG = Wild Ass Guess]

      My other problem with him was his extrapolation of a single case to encompass an entire methodology, and to assign a loaded word to describe it: Scam vs. Ineffective.

      Sometimes I think that the handful of youngsters around here mature enough to hold their own lead us to believe that all in their age range have the same maturity. This was one instance where that was obviously untrue...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Do we really need to dredge this up again?

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Scott,

      I'm certainly not going to flame you for stating your point in the way you have but I must say one or two things.

      Firstly, he did 85 articles in one week and got a sale. That's a sale in one week for a newbie. You're talking to someone now, who does, by my own standards I might add, well, by article marketing. It took me 2 years in IM to make my first sale. He did this for one week then posted a thread saying the whole thing was a scam in front of a huge amount of people here that are successful in article marketing. This will do nothing but bring arguements against his assumption it's a scam....

      Let me make this clear, it isn't a scam, otherwise those that do this would never have commented. The problem was he kept up his arguement, again and again. The problem was he wanted instant gratification without even trying to learn how to do this the right way. He gave up at the first sign of failure and denounced the entire thing. That was his mistake.

      I for one PMed him, he was very polite and admitted he made a mistake. I agree with him, he made a mistake and I don't bear any grudges against him. However, to do this for a week and denounce it as a scam is simply wrong, based on the maths of one person. There are thousands upon thousands of article marketers. To label their trade a scam can only invite people to react.

      Simple.

      This is a business, it takes time. I applaud him for writing 85 articles in a week although, for a newbie, I'd never consider advising this.

      I don't care about the 24,000 article chap. The point is, he took that person and labelled an entire community the same way. Did he expect them, having called their trade a scam, some form of sympathy?
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    Ok all, point taken. Sorry I brought it up again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ScottieScott View Post

      Ok all, point taken. Sorry I brought it up again.
      Scott,

      I did also state at the start I had no problem with you.

      I thought you brought it up very well.

      I was just stating facts, none of which were against you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by ScottieScott View Post

      Ok all, point taken. Sorry I brought it up again.
      Scottie, don't let this experience deter you from starting another thread when you have something to say. We ALL stub our toe here now and then.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by ScottieScott View Post

      Ok all, point taken. Sorry I brought it up again.
      Hi Scottie,

      I have no problem with the bulk of your post, where you share your thoughts and experiences. It was the context you wrapped it in that led me to make my comment above.

      I think it could be a very worthwhile discussion, so long as we're not using that other disaster of a thread as the frame of reference. In fact, I think you have the right idea. Your post isn't rude, and sets a good tone.

      All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author RaptorGabe
    Hey Scottie yeah people prob don't want it brought up again but after reading the amount of work and thought you put into that article I have to say cudos for actually putting out some feeling. not bad
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
    I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I guess the point I was trying to make is that someone was sold a cart of promises then got frustrated when the bank didn't show $10k the first month.

    So without bringing up the prior post anymore, I will voice what I would call a disappointment with the business plan I think he was trying to follow.

    Referring to the mp3 I received and listened to, it was full of great promises and a plan to get to $15k/month within about 6 months. I was not looking for a new business model, nor was I planning to deviate from my current path, but I dared to get a bit excited at the prospects.

    Anyway, the whole plan was to join a coaching program, to learn how to set up coaching plans for others. I didn't even get as far as finding out how much the coaching was officially, but it was eluded to that it was from $2,000-$10,000, way out of my price range. Really felt like a 'pyramid plan' or 'MLM'. Anyway, I said 'Oh-Well' and went back to my original path.

    For someone new, I can see where the buildup can lead to a huge crash if a business plan or model isn't what was expected at all.

    I would like to point out that it was probably a combination of naiveté and lack of maturity/experience/understanding of the IM world that caused such a hard stance by (nameless). Hopefully we have all learned from it and has allowed us to keep a more open mind on things we don't fully understand.

    I really think it could have been a 'call for help', to get some reassurance that what he is doing is the right thing. Could be that he wanted us to contradict him, but just came of VERY harsh. (Or maybe I am the naive one here)

    Thanks for listening,
    Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Scott: you may be a bit naive. I don't honestly believe it was a cry for help.

    In essence, he was saying that those of us who have made powerful claims about our own success with article marketing are lying.

    I don't lie about stuff like that, and if he doesn't believe me, he can straight up kiss my ass.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Scott: you may be a bit naive. I don't honestly believe it was a cry for help.

      In essence, he was saying that those of us who have made powerful claims about our own success with article marketing are lying.

      I don't lie about stuff like that, and if he doesn't believe me, he can straight up kiss my ass.
      There you go speaking in riddles again!

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    • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Scott: you may be a bit naive. I don't honestly believe it was a cry for help.

      In essence, he was saying that those of us who have made powerful claims about our own success with article marketing are lying.

      I don't lie about stuff like that, and if he doesn't believe me, he can straight up kiss my ass.
      Yes sir - I am sure I am naive. I tend to believe in the overall goodness in people. I tend to believe people when they say that they don't lie. I dare to believe that what the coaches and 'gurus' are teaching will work. I trust people to a fault because I am trustworthy to a fault.

      I also believe that success can be had in any endeavor as long as you believe it can be done. For some it takes more time than others. If thinking I will succeed when the odds are stacked against me is naive, so be it.

      What I do know is that I don't believe in outrageous claims, I don't believe that what worked yesterday will necessarily work today, and I don't believe that there is a one-button program to success.

      I am glad you are successful, as many on the forum are also. I have never heard any of your income levels or the level of your success, but the higher they are, the more inspirational they are to help me reach my goals.
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