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Doomsday 21st December 2012!

by alcymart
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What is your opinion of that doomsday date when on the 22th, the next day, all life on earth as we knew it will have gone extinct?
  • Profile picture of the author Zachmo
    Hmm I think this is just one of those stories before. It was said that doomsday will be 1st day of 2000. But as what we can see, it was proven hoax.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Well even if it was true - what can you do about it????? Nothing we can do so no point stressing about it!
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  • Profile picture of the author pickthat apple
    As like with those newsline that are a cloud in a blue sky, I just "turn the page", because I am not interested to hear about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    That particular date does NOT mean it will be the end of the world. It is when the center of the Milky Way aligns with the center of the earth and also the center of the sun. It only happens once every 26,000 years. It has been said that this will cause the north and south pole to become unstable and could even possibly switch places. This will have catastrophic results for all humanity. But 12/21/12 will more then likely be the beginning of the end, not the final day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      That particular date does NOT mean it will be the end of the world. It is when the center of the Milky Way aligns with the center of the earth and also the center of the sun. It only happens once every 26,000 years. It has been said that this will cause the north and south pole to become unstable and could even possibly switch places. This will have catastrophic results for all humanity. But 12/21/12 will more then likely be the beginning of the end, not the final day.
      Nope.

      That alignment already happened in 1998. It's true, you can easily find this information from scientific sources.

      The problem is that the pushers of this Mayan Doomsday Myth will say that it falls within the "2012 Era". What a convenient way of dismissing the fact that they're wrong.

      Oh well, like I said above. No amount of facts or logic will convince the "believers", but maybe 12/22/12 will.

      All the best,
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Nope.

        That alignment already happened in 1998. It's true, you can easily find this information from scientific sources.

        The problem is that the pushers of this Mayan Doomsday Myth will say that it falls within the "2012 Era". What a convenient way of dismissing the fact that they're wrong.

        Oh well, like I said above. No amount of facts or logic will convince the "believers", but maybe 12/22/12 will.

        All the best,
        Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

      Here's the problem with that theory....

      For one, we're not on accurate time. 2012 may have passed a while ago, or it may not have even come yet. Secondly, if we're talking about THE 2012 that we know, some prediction of a cataclysmic event would make no sense scientifically. Things will change, but it won't be doom and gloom like people are claiming. Even the Mayans themselves came forward in 2009 and said that their calendar doesn't mean the end of the world. But I guess some people didn't get the memo.

      I'm not gonna complain about the misinformation though. I'm just gonna give props to everyone whose smart enough to cash in on it.
      And the problem with this theory is, the Mayan calendar is more accurate than the gregorian calender we use. Plus, the date isn't random, it's the winter solstice which conincides with the Earth, Sun and a blackhole in the center of the Milky Way all being in align, which we know as Dec. 21, 2012.

      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      That particular date does NOT mean it will be the end of the world. It is when the center of the Milky Way aligns with the center of the earth and also the center of the sun. It only happens once every 26,000 years. It has been said that this will cause the north and south pole to become unstable and could even possibly switch places. This will have catastrophic results for all humanity. But 12/21/12 will more then likely be the beginning of the end, not the final day.
      Technically as written this isn't exactly correct...This aligment happens every 13,000 years. However the last time was a summer solstace...So if we combine the alignment with a winter solstace, you are correct that it happens every 26,000 years.

      In addition to the swapping of poles (as proposed by Einstein) there's one scientist that claims when we are in this alignment, we may be exposed to gamma rays emmitted from the center of our galaxy. He claims the last time we were in this aligment 13,000 years ago, the gamma rays were the cause of the mass extinction of the mega fauna like mamoths and sabre tooth cats.

      There's also an archeolgical discovery on a remote island in the S. Pacific that appears to be a Mayan observatory for the date of 12/21/2012, as this is the only place on the planet that will work...Can't remember exactly why. If this is true, the Mayans went through a lot of trouble to create this place.

      But 2012 isn't limited to Mayan lore...NASA is predicting major solar flares for the summer of 2012. These flares could wipe out our electrical grid in the US, which is in bad shape. This would be devasting to society and civiliation. This isn't like the electricity going out in a neighborhood...If most of the US doesn't have electricity, there's no one that can fix it. Fridges and freezes will fail, food will spoil, production of all kinds will come to a halt.


      NASA released these solar flare predictions, then we heard nothing more about it...Strange. But it's NASA that has me worried more than the Mayans.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        ...But 2012 isn't limited to Mayan lore...NASA is predicting major solar flares for the summer of 2012. These flares could wipe out our electrical grid in the US, which is in bad shape. This would be devasting to society and civiliation. This isn't like the electricity going out in a neighborhood...If most of the US doesn't have electricity, there's no one that can fix it. Fridges and freezes will fail, food will spoil, production of all kinds will come to a halt.


        NASA released these solar flare predictions, then we heard nothing more about it...Strange. But it's NASA that has me worried more than the Mayans.
        The solar flares will only cause minor communications disruptions at worst. Again, these "predictions" of a stronger than normal solar cycle are massively overstated and not supported. The number of flares (and sunspots) varies over time in an approximate eleven-year cycle. These flares won't even reach their peak until May 2013. :rolleyes:

        NOAA Solar Cycle Progression

        "There are fake NASA news releases out there". -Don Yeomans, NASA senior research scientist

        The Great 2012 Doomsday Scare - by Dr. E. C. Krupp, Director of Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      That particular date does NOT mean it will be the end of the world. It is when the center of the Milky Way aligns with the center of the earth and also the center of the sun. It only happens once every 26,000 years. It has been said that this will cause the north and south pole to become unstable and could even possibly switch places. This will have catastrophic results for all humanity. But 12/21/12 will more then likely be the beginning of the end, not the final day.
      It is physically impossible for the center of the Milky Way to align with the center of the earth AND also the center of the sun.
      Solstice Alignment

      Nor is it possible for the north and south poles to switch spontaneously.
      No Basis for a Spontaneous Pole Reversal in 2012
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  • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
    Only 1 Christmas left!? :O
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    As with most things there is a portion of truth. This mis according to Myan prophecy.

    Something like there will be a disaster but from that will start a new time.

    The Solstice on December 21, 2012 ~ precisely at 11:11 AM Universal Time ~ marks the completion of the 5,125 year Great Cycle of the Ancient Maya Long Count Calendar.

    Rather than being a linear end-point, this cycle that is closing is naturally followed by the start of a new cycle. What this new cycle has in store for humanity is a mystery that has yet to unfold...

    2012 is also considered the completion of the 26,000 year Precession of the Equinoxes cycle, and some say it also signifies the end of a 104,000 year cycle.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    There is no opinion on this matter, only fact.

    Nothing will happen.

    Also, the Mayans believed that the earth was flat and SQUARE. That it was held by a crocodile and five trees; each of a different color. If they were that wrong about the past, why would ANYBODY believe them about the future. FURTHERMORE, they sure as heck didn't predict the coming of the Spanish. Hmmm...

    Relax.

    Nothing to see here.

    Move along.

    Of course you can't convince people that believe BS like this with things like facts and logic.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Hi Kurt,

    No problem. This is the first link where I found it.

    http://www.universetoday.com/30762/galactic-alignment/

    The "alignment" happens EVERY year, but the above article states it was at it's "most aligned" state in 1998, and will very slowly shift toward another day.

    Other things I mention come from this video with Neil Degrasse Tyson.


    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      A Kurt pointed out, their calender is more accurate than the calender we use now, which is an amazing feat in itself. They, and a lot of ancient tribes, accomplished things that defy how they they did it to this day.
      Why the calender stops, is conjecture at best.

      However, I have yet to see a tribe or an individual, "bat a thousand".
      Einstein made mistakes, Nasa makes mistakes...etc

      I saw a documentary the other day, where they were trying to tie in Hopi predictions with the Maya. This one rock hieroglyphic, had one picture of what looked to me to be a family holding hands by a river, to every thing from the coming of the white man to the winner of this years Superbowl

      I am not one to laugh or scoff at things that I don't understand (only ones I do), but they were really pushing it with this one.

      I'll bet that Hopi went back with his buddies had a few beers and laughed his a** off. (See a movie called Dance me Outside, Canadian made, well worth it) Anyway, I would take a lot of what is believed with a grain of salt, your not going to know until it happens.







      PLUS

      Maybe they just ran out of paper.:p

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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        The accuracy of the Mayan calendar is a myth perpetutated only to support the 2012 hoax. They actually had at least three different calendars, none of which were even in sync. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          The accuracy of the Mayan calendar is a myth perpetutated only to support the 2012 hoax. They actually had at least three different calendars, none of which were even in sync. :rolleyes:
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          That must be why they needed three calendars, silly.

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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          The accuracy of the Mayan calendar is a myth perpetutated only to support the 2012 hoax. They actually had at least three different calendars, none of which were even in sync. :rolleyes:
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          Thanks MYOB,

          That was an interesting article, although he uses the word "likely" a lot.

          I like the cartoon, backs up my little, tiny, almost stillborn joke above, about running out of paper.

          All I know is if I wake up on Dec. 21st 2012 and Asia's gone, it'll be time to move fast.


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  • Profile picture of the author daangertenaar
    It's all media hype, you think things like polar shifts happen from one to another day?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    When December 21, 2012 comes around, I'm going to be wearning my nitro turbo jetpack flying to my cabin up in the stratosphere.

    (unlimited fuel in the nitro turbo jetpack by the way - It runs on air only. And I already have it too, but you can't see it, you will probably track me down and steal it)

    It's also super powerful, and can hoist an unlimited amount of weight. It's the best jetpack money can buy (if money could buy it - But it can't)

    I plan on hoisting my friends, family, and a male and female version of every living animal and fish on the planet. Kind of like 'ADAM'S ARK'

    I'm also going to be holding a random drawing so TEN LUCKY WARRIORS can come too, but I'll email my list about that come December 1, 2012. << Hint hint - buy my stuff and get on my list if you want to increase your chances of survival come the day.

    Plan A -After the destruction and hectic events of December 21, 2012 have subsided, I will slowly jetpack my way back down to earth with my friends, family, male and female version of every animal and fish on the planet, and the 10 lucky warriors back down to earth to redevelop the world as we once knew it.

    Plan B - If the earth becomes inhabitable, no worries, my jetpack automatically transforms into a space shuttle which can generate unlimited food and water for an unlimited amount of time, which will give us plenty of time to find another habitable planet like this one to land on. We'll become aliens of another planet basically.

    So, that's my plan. It's a fail-proof plan and it's guaranteed to work, I've been testing the jetpack, hoist and space shuttle transformation regularly and haven't had a problem yet.

    So to all of you who aren't as lucky as I, I really hope you come up with a plan that's as brilliant as mine so you can survive when the day comes.

    Adam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Adam Roy View Post

      When December 21, 2012 comes around, I'm going to be wearning my nitro turbo jetpack flying to my cabin up in the stratosphere.

      (unlimited fuel in the nitro turbo jetpack by the way - It runs on air only. And I already have it too, but you can't see it, you will probably track me down and steal it)

      It's also super powerful, and can hoist an unlimited amount of weight. It's the best jetpack money can buy (if money could buy it - But it can't)

      I plan on hoisting my friends, family, and a male and female version of every living animal and fish on the planet. Kind of like 'ADAM'S ARK'

      I'm also going to be holding a random drawing so TEN LUCKY WARRIORS can come too, but I'll email my list about that come December 1, 2012. << Hint hint - buy my stuff and get on my list if you want to increase your chances of survival come the day.

      Plan A -After the destruction and hectic events of December 21, 2012 have subsided, I will slowly jetpack my way back down to earth with my friends, family, male and female version of every animal and fish on the planet, and the 10 lucky warriors back down to earth to redevelop the world as we once knew it.

      Plan B - If the earth becomes inhabitable, no worries, my jetpack automatically transforms into a space shuttle which can generate unlimited food and water for an unlimited amount of time, which will give us plenty of time to find another habitable planet like this one to land on. We'll become aliens of another planet basically.

      So, that's my plan. It's a fail-proof plan and it's guaranteed to work, I've been testing the jetpack, hoist and space shuttle transformation regularly and haven't had a problem yet.

      So to all of you who aren't as lucky as I, I really hope you come up with a plan that's as brilliant as mine so you can survive when the day comes.

      Adam.
      I would get a site, seo it, backlinks etc... and have it ready to market that jetark, starting... maybe Jan, Feb 2012. YOU'LL SELL A MILLION.

      Even use adwords, whadya got to lose?

      Money will be a moot point on Dec. 22nd.

      Jim:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author HollyStar
    It's not the end of the world, it's the end of the world 'as we know it', which just means change. Less physical and more spiritual.
    Personally, I hope that something does happen, to shake people up a little. Change some perspectives. Regardless, no one really knows, it's all just speculation.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWebWizz
    I have a bit of an interest in this subject - if we survive 2012 then we are faced with the prospect of being hit by Apophis in 2036! I don´t believe either event will happen.

    There have been many "End of the World" dates in the past and we are still here.....the most recent being Y2k and 1991.
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  • Profile picture of the author chiwawa
    Its not true. It was same rumour that went around in 2000 and still we all are living. Even if its true, there is nothing we can do about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianTerr
    Originally Posted by alcymart View Post

    What is your opinion of that doomsday date when on the 22th, the next day, all life on earth as we knew it will have gone extinct?
    I would have thought that a smart cookie like you would have figured out a way to monetize the idiots that believe this rubbish.

    Go to it lad, the only thing to fear is fear itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    The "end of the world" has been predicted hundreds of times. Every one of them was wrong. I'm thinking that trend will continue.


    @ Mike - Thanks for the Neil Degrasse Tyson video. Him, Michio Kaku, and a few others are right up there with Carl Sagan (deceased) as guys I enjoy listening to talk about science.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Every time I come across this or hear one of my friends touting the newest information on the end of the world I think of two things.

    1.) I worked with a guy once who was told all of his life that the world was going to end in in 1976. His parents told him to not worry about getting a job (he was 17), don't worry about getting a driver's license, and that there was no need to think about what he wanted to go to college for.

    "When the year turned 1977 reality slapped me square in the face..."


    His words not mine.

    2.) Let's say there is a chance that the world comes to an end in 2012... my obvious thought is to not me around any national monuments or historic places
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    • Profile picture of the author linksman
      This is from the Mayan prediction but they have had them before and nothing happened. They have Baktuns as periods of time relating to 394 years! The 21st Dec 2012 is actually the end of the 13th Baktun which also coincides with the Earths wobble. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the centre of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

      Also they have predictions past that time right up to 4772 on some of their inscriptions. Don't think it's time to worry yet!
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        The way a lot of people are talking about this, all over, not just here.

        I think I will get into the tranquilizer niche.

        Or tin foil hats, not sure.

        Tin foil hats full of tranquilizers.

        Beer hats made of tin foil and tranquilizers.

        Hope I don't fall in a fountain while I'm brainstorming

        What did the Mayans say about increased pharmaceutical usage during 2011?

        Better go check Wikipedia


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  • Profile picture of the author mrmarketology11
    Mayan calender. but i don't believe
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I heard the alien probing is brutal, LMAO!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      I heard the alien probing is brutal, LMAO!!
      Hey I happen to be on the lead cruiser, and we don't do that.
      It was a Martian myth, their still sore about that War of the Worlds cold.



      We ARE, however, going to be invaded by aliens on December 21, 2012. At least three and perhaps many more UFOs are on their way right now.
      There is five of us, I'm on the lead cruiser, bet you think it's all peaches and cream up here, huh?

      I'm stuck on the bridge with an ego maniacal Captain, a pointy eared killjoy, some guy practicing his Russian accent,
      yea their done too,
      some chick with a blue tooth in her ear, a doctor that keeps telling the Captain, Damn it!... Jim... I'm a doctor not an anal prober, and some stupid engineer who's been nipping on Venusion Brandy since we left, telling me he has a 30 trillion dollar spaceship that never has enough thrust.

      I'm looking forward to being on the advance landing party tomorrow...

      You'll know me because I'll be wearing a red shirt....uh oh.
      I won't last thirty seconds.

      What the hell, it's gotta be better than listening to these space cadets.


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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        When these objects pass inside the orbit of Pluto they will become more visible as to what or perhaps (who) they are.

        UFOs Viewed from sky-map.org

        Coordinates: 19 25 12, -89 45 03 - first big object recorded


        Coordinates: 16 19 35, -88 43 10 - cylindrical object


        Coordinates: 02 26 39, -89 43 13 - circular


        Coordinates: 19 26 51, -88 42 38 - cylindrical
        These coordinates have not changed relative to earth since they were first detected several months ago, despite their incredible velocity, which means only one thing - they are headed in our direction. ETA 12/21/2012. Alien probing may begin on that date or shortly thereafter.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I don't believe the world will end in 2012 but I do believe in the UFO and abduction phenomena. A lot of very serious and academic research has been undertaken regarding alien abduction. My understanding is that it is very real and has a extremely profound effect on many people. According to Professor John E Mack and other highly decorated investigators, whatever is happening to these people is very real and affects the lives of Thousands, if not Hundreds of Thousands of people around the world.
    Skeptics will say it's hallucination, sleep paralysis, mass hysteria, schizophrenia and many other of the "usual suspects" but I think there is more to it than that. What's the point of these abductions? Nobody knows for sure. Research seems to point to something not at all benevolent to human beings. As a matter of fact, it appears to be downright sinister. Most serious researchers believe there is some kind of physiological exploitation going on.
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    • Profile picture of the author andrea_vk
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I don't believe the world will end in 2012 but I do believe in the UFO and abduction phenomena. A lot of very serious and academic research has been undertaken regarding alien abduction. My understanding is that it is very real and has a extremely profound effect on many people. According to Professor John E Mack and other highly decorated investigators, whatever is happening to these people is very real and affects the lives of Thousands, if not Hundreds of Thousands of people around the world.
      Skeptics will say it's hallucination, sleep paralysis, mass hysteria, schizophrenia and many other of the "usual suspects" but I think there is more to it than that. What's the point of these abductions? Nobody knows for sure. Research seems to point to something not at all benevolent to human beings. As a matter of fact, it appears to be downright sinister. Most serious researchers believe there is some kind of physiological exploitation going on.
      I also believe in UFO. We cann't just be teh only poeple in this unoiverse. I believe than some of them are more advanced tan us and others ones are behind. So yes, I do believ they will come. Some of them will come to help since we are destroying this planet.

      I do not believe the end will come although when I read all the staff is scary. Some people are taking it serious and preparing with unsinkable boats and everything since they say a big flood will happen specially if the poles shift. Some countries will be under water. Some peopel are storing food and water.
      With the floods happenning in Australia nd all the snow in Europe and the US you wonder. Snow in Antartica is melting a a rapid rate, can you believe it?
      I suppose the Earth has always been changing, but this change might be accelerated by human action.

      But I think the biggest change will be a change in consciousness. A era of peace is supposed to start afterwards. Lets hope for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Holy sh.t, we're being invaded by a giant fish!
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  • Profile picture of the author stealthpromo
    Dude, your camera takes terrible night shots. Look at all that noise. I cant even make out the cute girl in the third nightclub pic.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by stealthpromo View Post

      Dude, your camera takes terrible night shots. Look at all that noise. I cant even make out the cute girl in the third nightclub pic.


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  • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
    awww, dangit, I thought it was the 23rd. I just lost two days!
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  • Profile picture of the author astnpwrz
    Yea it was Y2k, then June 6, 2006 etc. But this time I think the earth will just blow up or something LOL. No but seriously, the only massive change that's happening is the dollar getting weaker (maybe it'll collapse that day) and the GINORMOUS wealth transfer that is gonna come in the next 12-36 months. Money wont just vanish into thin air (even though its printed that way) but a big change is coming with the world and money. Lets look forward to it. Millionaires were created during the depression, just be on the right side when it happens and you'll be fine
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Giant fish is coming to eat us? I think lets continue to work on today and do what in between with no regret!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by alcymart View Post

    What is your opinion of that doomsday date when on the 22th, the next day, all life on earth as we knew it will have gone extinct?
    Um...now it's extinction? When the whole thing started it was "life as we know it will change forever" but extinction wasn't mentioned until the translations hit the Internet and marketers got their hands on it.

    I think that the work the Mayans did was pretty interesting in it's raw, pre-marketing attack form. But it wouldn't have made any money for anyone before it was bloated, hyped, and exploited.

    I'm just wondering if somewhere in all the propaganda chaos, someone has put together the new calendar so we can order it on the 22nd. Think of the generations of family that wouldn't need to spend money on new calendars - they'd just hand the family copy down through the decades. If I knew more about Mayan energy cycle philosophy, I'd make the damned thing myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Just a bunch of paranoid suspicion. However, science *does* indicate that potentially catastrophic events will occur around that time - including the passing of Planet X / Nibiru, as well as extreme radiation from the sun equal to the energy of 100 million hydrogen bombs...or something like that - just Google it. I think anything resembling an "apocalypse" would be the cause of mass hysteria and crazy people making it happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      Just a bunch of paranoid suspicion. However, science *does* indicate that potentially catastrophic events will occur around that time - including the passing of Planet X / Nibiru, as well as extreme radiation from the sun equal to the energy of 100 million hydrogen bombs...or something like that - just Google it. I think anything resembling an "apocalypse" would be the cause of mass hysteria and crazy people making it happen.
      Please watch the video I posted above.

      The Planet X/Nibiru thing is a hoax. Proven hoax. Totally dispelled hoax.

      No, people, DON'T "just Google it". That's the worst thing you can do when hunting for little things known as facts. You can search for the info, but consider the source, then verify what the source is telling you.

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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        I don't believe in the Nibiru either. But I would like to read your official source that officially debunks the Nibiru "hoax"

        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Please watch the video I posted above.

        The Planet X/Nibiru thing is a hoax. Proven hoax. Totally dispelled hoax.

        No, people, DON'T "just Google it". That's the worst thing you can do when hunting for little things known as facts. You can search for the info, but consider the source, then verify what the source is telling you.

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

          I don't believe in the Nibiru either. But I would like to read your official source that officially debunks the Nibiru "hoax"
          Sure thing.

          Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions: Planet X and Real Science

          Answered Question « Ask an Astrobiologist « NASA Astrobiology

          CSI | The Myth of Nibiru and the End of the World in 2012

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          • Profile picture of the author bravo75
            Thanks for that. However, I hardly consider someone who says this an official source:


            "the government would hide information about Nibiru and the catastrophe coming in a few years, but I can't imagine why. My experience is, in fact, that sometimes parts of the government do just the opposite, as in the frequent references to various terrorist threats. In any case, the job of NASA scientists is to discover and tell the truth!"

            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

              Thanks for that. However, I hardly consider someone who says this an official source:

              "the government would hide information about Nibiru and the catastrophe coming in a few years, but I can’t imagine why. My experience is, in fact, that sometimes parts of the government do just the opposite, as in the frequent references to various terrorist threats. In any case, the job of NASA scientists is to discover and tell the truth!"

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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

              Thanks for that. However, I hardly consider someone who says this an official source:


              "the government would hide information about Nibiru and the catastrophe coming in a few years, but I can’t imagine why. My experience is, in fact, that sometimes parts of the government do just the opposite, as in the frequent references to various terrorist threats. In any case, the job of NASA scientists is to discover and tell the truth!"
              That was on all three pages I linked to?

              Anyway, you will note that the particular section you are quoting starts with "In my experience". Hard to say that's NOT the truth. Maybe he deals with a branch of NASA that does just that.

              Regardless, these sources are far better than ANY of the "2012/Nibiru/Galactic alignment earth will be at the center of the Milky Way" BS that's being pumped out by charlatans, ignoramouses and lunatics. In fact, I wouldn't even refer to such drivel as "sources", but they CAN make for entertaining fiction when the mood is right.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                That was on all three pages I linked to?

                Anyway, you will note that the particular section you are quoting starts with "In my experience". Hard to say that's NOT the truth. Maybe he deals with a branch of NASA that does just that.

                Regardless, these sources are far better than ANY of the "2012/Nibiru/Galactic alignment earth will be at the center of the Milky Way" BS that's being pumped out by charlatans, ignoramouses and lunatics. In fact, I wouldn't even refer to such drivel as "sources", but they CAN make for entertaining fiction when the mood is right.

                All the best,
                Michael
                Nice ad hominem attack...I got my info from astronomers other than Professor Tyson. I've even read that Einsten believed in a remote possibility of the magnetic poles shifting on that date. And I believe there is a unique alignment due on 12/21/2012, which Tyson never addressed in the video you linked to. He only said that Earth, the Sun and the center of the Milky Way line up every year. He never said there wasn't a unique alignment on that date.

                Now, this doesn't mean there will be a "doomsday" on that date, only a unique alignment. Say what you will about the Mayan's religious beliefs, but they were great astronomers with a better calendar than we use and I believe they chose that specific date for an astrological specific reason...
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  Nice ad hominem attack...I got my info from astronomers other than Professor Tyson. I've even read that Einsten believed in a remote possibility of the magnetic poles shifting on that date. And I believe there is a unique alignment due on 12/21/2012, which Tyson never addressed in the video you linked to. He only said that Earth, the Sun and the center of the Milky Way line up every year. He never said there wasn't a unique alignment on that date.

                  Now, this doesn't mean there will be a "doomsday" on that date, only a unique alignment. Say what you will about the Mayan's religious beliefs, but they were great astronomers with a better calendar than we use and I believe they chose that specific date for an astrological specific reason...
                  As far as the ad hominem attack, there ARE charlatans, ignoramouses and lunatics pumping out BS on this issue. That's a fact. If you don't think there are any charlatans trying to take advantage of this non-event, then that's up to you. And it may have been an ad hominem argument, but that doesn't make it false.

                  Anyway...there is technically a "unique" alignment happening all the time, so to say there will be a "unique" alignment is technically true, but it doesn't really mean anything.

                  I wasn't cutting the Mayans down for their religious beliefs, but they were obviously pretty shaky when it came to predicting their more immediate future. It was more of a way of pointing out that their understanding of science would not pass muster today.

                  As to them choosing a specific time to start or end their calendar, well, society that makes calendars has done the same thing. They may attribute some significance to their start and end dates, but they are still (in the bigger scope of things) arbitrary.

                  Any chance you have a link to the Einstein thing?

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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    The Maya actually had at least three calendars, none of which aligned with any of the others.
                    Which one was the accurate one?
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            • Profile picture of the author medi50cus
              No one can ever predict the future except God.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy B
    I think the mayans were talking about the end to the calender, not the end of the world...
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    Originally Posted by alcymart View Post

    What is your opinion of that doomsday date when on the 22th, the next day, all life on earth as we knew it will have gone extinct?
    I think that the doomsday thing was created just to make money; example selling of books about Dec 12, 2012, and other memoribilia
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  • Profile picture of the author stealthpromo
    MYOB you're hillarious. And seriously doomsday guys? I thought we were smart people here...not conspiracy theorists. Those ideas are for people that don't know better.
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  • Profile picture of the author oliviasmith
    Andrea the last line you wrote is just superb Well i personally think it's all BS. Nothing is gonna happen in 2012. There is no exact calculation to when's doomsday coming?
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