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Unread 10th February 2011, 01:43 AM   #1
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Default Is 12 AM noon or midnight?

I think people might get confused with offers that will end at 12 am or 12 pm. It's better to make it clear that it will end at 12 noon or 12 midnight. So is 12 am noon or midnight?

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12am = midnight.

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Default Re: Is 12 AM noon or midnight?

12 AM is midnight. 12 PM is noon. It used to confuse me too, until I started just thinking 1 minute ahead. 12:01 PM, of course is after noon, therefore PM.
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I agree, think like Drake, think one minute ahead.
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12 AM is midnight. 12 PM is noon. It used to confuse me too, until I started just thinking 1 minute ahead. 12:01 PM, of course is after noon, therefore PM.
That doesnt make sense though.....I think

If 11am is the morning 12 in the middle of the day should be called am too not pm. PM should begin from (1 in the afternoon) 1PM so people dont get confused.

Once again if 11 at night is 11pm, 12 midnight should be called 12PM not 12am....the next hour which is 1 oclock should start the AM cycle.

Have no idea if that makes sense and I'm not reading it again but I know what I mean:p

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.M.

Basically its what PM and AM stands for not
Pm= NIght
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12:00 starts the next cycle, so 11:59 PM ends the PM cycle. As it rolls over to 12 it becomes AM. I'm not sure who you'd have to chat with about changing it. Perhaps whoever decided that daylight savings time made sense
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Thanks, guys. One more thing... If you said the offer will end on Feb 10 midnight, does that mean one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 10 or one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 11?

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That doesnt make sense though.....I think

If 11am is the morning 12 in the middle of the day should be called am too not pm. PM should begin from (1 in the afternoon) 1PM so people dont get confused.

Once again if 11 at night is 11pm, 12 midnight should be called 12PM not 12am....the next hour which is 1 oclock should start the AM cycle.

Have no idea if that makes sense and I'm not reading it again but I know what I mean:p

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There are 24 hours in a day. Each 12:00 = half. Half the day = am, the other half = pm.

AM = ante meridiem or before noon
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Thanks, guys. One more thing... If you said the offer will end on Feb 10 midnight, does that mean one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 10 or one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 11?
This one always confused me as well. Changes from person to person.

To me, Feb 10 at midnight equals one minute after Feb 9 11:59pm.

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One minute after 11:59 on the 10th would roll over to the next day, making it the 11th. Midnight on the 10th, to me, means one minute after midnight on the 9th. But then again, I've been known to show up for midnight mass on the wrong day because of that.
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There are 24 hours in a day. Each 12:00 = half. Half the day = am, the other half = pm.

AM = ante meridiem or before noon
PM = post meridiem or after noon
Each period consists of 12 hours numbered: 12 (acting as zero), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.

The 12-hour clock was developed over time from the mid-second millennium BC to the 16th century AD.

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12am is midnight and 12 pm is noon.
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So are pointless posts, apparently.
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Am I the only one who was taught this in elementary school?

Of course, it is very confusing if the offer doesn't say which time zone they're talking about.
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12 AM is twelve midnight.
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That doesnt make sense though.....I think

If 11am is the morning 12 in the middle of the day should be called am too not pm. PM should begin from (1 in the afternoon) 1PM so people dont get confused.

Once again if 11 at night is 11pm, 12 midnight should be called 12PM not 12am....the next hour which is 1 oclock should start the AM cycle.

Have no idea if that makes sense and I'm not reading it again but I know what I mean:p

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Look 12 AM in midnight should be called AM because 12 AM would mean that 12th PM has been finished and 1st AM has been started. 12:00 AM will act as the beginning of 1st AM. When 60 minutes pass then you get 1 hour. Although you will see 12:01, 12:02 and think hei we are still in the 12's so it should have remained in PM etc. But the fact is 12:01 means 12th PM hour has been finished and 1st minute of 1st AM hour has passed already.

I hope you got the point here. So no change is necessary. It was correct all the time.

I hope I have not been too confusing.

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Lol this is the best thread ever!

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Unread 10th February 2011, 03:20 AM   #19
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I don't know. It kinda has me questioning my sanity lol.
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There's an easier way to deal with this problem. If your offer ends at midnight ... and you let it run until 12.10, no one is going to sue you!
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Unread 10th February 2011, 03:43 AM   #21
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You've gotta be kidding me...

Personally I wouldn't be too sure about buying anything from any marketer who doesn't understand these simple things that are taught to everyone as children... unless this is a joke.

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Good grief.

This is way too much to think about on a Thursday morning.

If it's midnight just say the offer ends in the middle of the night, if it's the other one, just say it'll end at lunch time.

Then forget all about this thread because it'll do your head in and before you know it, the whole year will have gone past and you won't have done anything.

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12 AM obviously its midnight!

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This is such a hilarious thread! 12am is midnight - the day officially begins at the stroke of midnight, which is why it is 11:59 PM and changes over to 12 AM at midnight, when a new day starts.

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Yes it is. It's kept me amused this evening. Also gave my brain a bit of a workout lol.

By the way, I'm an Okie, too. Small world.
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Thanks, guys. One more thing... If you said the offer will end on Feb 10 midnight, does that mean one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 10 or one minute before 12:01 am of Feb 11?
Michael, for the sake of your sanity and your customers, you could eliminate all this confusion by saying your offer ends at 12:01 am, Feb 11th - this is clear and unambiguous, and people are much less likely to be confused by this.

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That doesnt make sense though.....I think

If 11am is the morning 12 in the middle of the day should be called am too not pm. PM should begin from (1 in the afternoon) 1PM so people dont get confused.

Once again if 11 at night is 11pm, 12 midnight should be called 12PM not 12am....the next hour which is 1 oclock should start the AM cycle.

Have no idea if that makes sense and I'm not reading it again but I know what I mean:p

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Michael, for the sake of your sanity and your customers, you could eliminate all this confusion by saying your offer ends at 12:01 am, Feb 11th - this is clear and unambiguous, and people are much less likely to be confused by this.
...Yeah and just to make it doubly clear to them, say it'll be at night and it'll be dark outside.

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So, is 2010 the start of the new decade, or the end of the old one?
Oh my lol.
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...Yeah and just to make it doubly clear to them, say it'll be at night and it'll be dark outside.
Unless you're in Alaska in which case it may not necessarily be dark
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...Yeah and just to make it doubly clear to them, say it'll be at night and it'll be dark outside.
This is hilarious, Richard. Or you could really make a big production out of it and say that it ends 1 minute after midnight, lol.

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You could just use 24 hour time.

12:00 for noon
24:00 for midnight

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You could just use 24 hour time.

12:00 for noon
24:00 for midnight
Good idea, but not necessarily easier. I always run out of fingers trying to count military time.
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You could just use 24 hour time.

12:00 for noon
24:00 for midnight
While this is an option, it'll still confuse people who aren't quite sure when the date change happens (as expressed by the OP).

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Unless you're in Alaska in which case it may not necessarily be dark
We'll have to stick a disclaimer in about Alaska.

For the rest of the world you put something like....

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To avoid any confusion, I just changed launch time on my thread to 12.01 PM EST. I hope now everyone will understand it is noon time.

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We'll have to stick a disclaimer in about Alaska.

For the rest of the world you put something like....
This only happens during the summer in Alaska, so you'd have to say that it only doesn't apply when it's summer there.

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Agreed. Best thread ever hahahaha, sounds silly but true.:confused:
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12 AM is midnight. 12 PM is noon. It used to confuse me too, until I started just thinking 1 minute ahead. 12:01 PM, of course is after noon, therefore PM.
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I think people might get confused with offers that will end at 12 am or 12 pm. It's better to make it clear that it will end at 12 noon or 12 midnight. So is 12 am noon or midnight?
I avoid that problem using military time.
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Of course you could always do something like "It is now 5:41 AM CST February 10, 2011. This offer will end in 36 hours." Then just let everyone else figure it out
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Wow...

that's a lot of confirmations about what time it is...

Since you're probably not going to be up at midnight to pull the offer anyway, how about saying the offer expires at 6:00 pm EST on Feb 10, 2011?

Yes, you could setup a script to swap out the sales page at whatever you determine to be midnight or something, but most people aren't going to be sitting there counting down like it's New Year's Eve or something.

I venture to say that most of the "expires at midnight" stuff is crap anyway - it's just a fake push to get you to buy - just like the "Only 200 will be sold - EVER!" claims when you've seen the ClickBank stats say otherwise.

Just be clear about it.

Just be HONEST about it.

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The problem with this is a lot of people from the US aren't familiar with the 24 hour clock. I remember reading on another forum a guy complaining that a job offer reading "Work hours: 0900-2000" was misleading because people would think it meant 2pm

Now a really confusing thing I've seen is times reading "2500", which meant 1am. This was done to apparently stop people thinking it meant 1pm the next day. Most odd.
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Why not end the offer at 23:59? That would make it easier.

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That doesnt make sense though.....
Of course it doesn't. Just like with the awkward date order :p

They just try to hide the fact nobody is able to count to 24... only to 12.

Although there always could be something confusing: is one minute after midnight 24:01 or 00:01?


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I'm a little confused about Stardates myself.

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The military time is used so as not to be confusing.
It is extremely easy to use and hard to get confused.

But this thread just flushed 500 years of evolution.

The most important question is

Who's on first?

What?

No, he's on second

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Default Re: Is 12 AM noon or midnight?

Yes, the common way of denoting the time is that 12:00 AM is midnight, and 12:00 PM is noon.

However, as mgtarheels pointed out AM stands for ante meridiem which means 11:59 AM is in the morning. BUT, here's the catch...while conventional wisodm says noon then becomes 12:00 PM, the truth is that noon is neither PM nor AM, because it is not before or after noon - it IS noon.

Therefore, the technical answer is that the times would go as follows... 11:59 AM, 12:00 noon, 12:01 PM.

Of course, for those who have a hard time keeping the conventional labels straight, think of it this way: One minute after noon is 12:01 PM and one minute before is 11:59 AM, but by adding one second on to noon, you see it's PM. 12:00:01 PM because it is now post meridiem. Therefore, even though 12:00 noon (or 12:00 midnight) are neither post nor ante meridiem, the times that go with them; namely 12:00:01 - 12:00:59 are post or ante, and it's safe to classify them with the times they correspond to.

Easy, yes?

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Default Re: Is 12 AM noon or midnight?

LOL... I still can't believe I read this whole thread???

OK, Let me ask you this and see what you think?

If Today was Tomorrow Yesterday then wouldn't Today be the Day
after Tomorrow World wide using Zulu time?

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