An Amazing Moment in History

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I'm so happy for the Egyptian people! Amazing to hear one of the leaders there thank Facebook's creator and say the peaceful democracy they've gained is a direct result of Facebook (and Twitter).

He also expressed thanks to US media and said the media focus on the uprising saved many lives because people in the rest of the world could see what was happening. Truly astounding what the ability to communicate can accomplish!

What must Zuckerberg feel like to realize his social media creation has accomplished more for democracy in the world than pols and wars can do in generations?

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    I thought it was the Google guy in Egypt that had the most to do with it as far as the Net goes?

    While not as long-drawn or dramatic, this is up there with India and Ghandi's peaceful revolution.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The google guy was a catalyst that kept them going - but it was the ability to use Facebook to share ideas and goals that allowed the organization to occur.

      It was the "google guy" who was talking about this - he said he is not a leader nor a hero and went on to say Facebook was the real hero that led people to conquer their fear and start a movement.

      This has fascinated me BECAUSE there is no "leader" - there is no organization or faction pushing people in the right direction and that is impressive. We talk a lot here about "grass roots movements" - this was truly one of those.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The google guy was a catalyst that kept them going - but it was the ability to use Facebook to share ideas and goals that allowed the organization to occur.

        It was the "google guy" who was talking about this - he said he is not a leader nor a hero and went on to say Facebook was the real hero that led people to conquer their fear and start a movement.

        This has fascinated me BECAUSE there is no "leader" - there is no organization or faction pushing people in the right direction and that is impressive. We talk a lot here about "grass roots movements" - this was truly one of those.

        This is also what impresses me most. It was a "2.0" revolution (though this term kind of sickens me, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing it in the next few days...)

        A lot of people in one place in a BIG country is a scary prospect though. Say you got 5 million in Washington. That'd only be about 1/80th of the population of the US. I suspect 5 million people in Washington would be enough to cause a major scene, if not an upset to democracy itself.

        I think what happens over the next 5-10 years will be fascinating. Not only will the handheld devices with social media apps become mainstream, but people of all generations will actually know how to use them. I suspect it's going to be some 'fun' times.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The google guy was a catalyst that kept them going - but it was the ability to use Facebook to share ideas and goals that allowed the organization to occur.

        It was the "google guy" who was talking about this - he said he is not a leader nor a hero and went on to say Facebook was the real hero that led people to conquer their fear and start a movement.

        This has fascinated me BECAUSE there is no "leader" - there is no organization or faction pushing people in the right direction and that is impressive. We talk a lot here about "grass roots movements" - this was truly one of those.
        Sorry, but I don't see Zuckenberg as a hero in this in any way. He didn't do anything intentionally, and he sure didn't risk anything, unlike the Google guy that spent 12(?) days in jail in a foreign country. Sure, they used Facebook, but they also used Myspace, Twitter and posted on other forums I visited.

        Anderson Cooper, who was attacked twice bringing the events to the US media is more a "hero" IMO than Zuckenberg.

        I think this is more a case of the Google guy deflecting credit than Zuckenberg being a "hero".
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          There were several amazing things about this entire revolution.

          1) The fact that Mubarak couldn't shut out the rest of the world, no matter how hard he tried. Shutting down the internet and media outlets proved futile. People found other ways to communicate - ie: via satellite, cell phones, and the old broadband method. He thought he could turn everything dark, but failed miserably. And let's not forget the old fashioned word-of-mouth. That's probably how many Egyptians kept being updated.

          2) The fact that they could amass such a huge crowd which shows the power of the people. Mubarak figured they'd get tired and go home. He was wrong. Instead, the crowds grew constantly until he was overwhelmed with the chants of people who hate him.

          3) The fact that so many people could succeed in such a revolt without violence. The fact that the Egyptians were able to maintain their own dignity and not fall into Mubarak's trap hoping for a violent response to his antics.

          I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but here, I've heard several people refer to the Arabs as a violent people, always fighting. This revolt has proven the exact opposite. Talk about great restraint! They were amazing.

          Now, let's pray that their lives are significantly improved for all their efforts.

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          • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
            Originally Posted by sylviad View Post


            I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but here, I've heard several people refer to the Arabs as a violent people, always fighting.

            From my personal experience they are one of the most friendly , gracious and welcoming races you could ever meet.

            If you read websites like "Horizons Unlimited" where travelers post their stories and blogs you'll generally see nothing but positive stories about the Arab people, (actually that goes for most races and countries) on the other hand if you get your view of the world from the front page of a newspaper or a TV News report then your view might be different.


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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      While not as long-drawn or dramatic, this is up there with India and Ghandi's peaceful revolution.
      Along with the revolutions in Eastern Europe circa 1989, and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Congrats to the people of the United Arab Republic.


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Rumors are the Swiss have already frozen Mubarak's accounts.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Rumors are the Swiss have already frozen Mubarak's accounts.
      Do they have any business doing that?

      If they did do that, so much for the reputation of Swiss banking.

      I find this rumour doubtful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor View Post

        Do they have any business doing that?

        If they did do that, so much for the reputation of Swiss banking.

        I find this rumour doubtful.
        I may be mistaken, but I believe there have been a few precedents, so it is possible.

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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor View Post

        Do they have any business doing that?

        If they did do that, so much for the reputation of Swiss banking.

        I find this rumour doubtful.
        If he has hidden assets in Swiss banks from his people, then yes, they do have that right. I'm not that familiar with banking rules and regulations, but I would think that if he has assets in their banks and the Egyptians sue him for the money that rightfully belongs to the country, the banks could be responsible for paying it. In other words, if he takes the money out, they'd be stuck with the bill.

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          The military made it clear early on that they would not fire on peaceful protesters. They'd stop looters and anyone becoming violent, but not people simply expressing their views of the government.

          That was huge.

          If they follow through on their promise to keep order until a new government is in place and then step back to their normal role, I am going to be in awe of them.


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        Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor View Post

        Do they have any business doing that?

        If they did do that, so much for the reputation of Swiss banking.

        I find this rumour doubtful.
        Actually, a few decades ago, the swiss decided to BREAK a 400 year old law to help the IRS out. They DON'T have the reputation they did 30 or so years ago! DON'T you remember things like:

        Offshore Tax-Avoidance and IRS Compliance Efforts

        or

        IRS to Receive Unprecedented Amount of Information in UBS Agreement

        Those are just some that I have seen "lately".

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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    do not give credit to any one entity in this, have you heard of this age old quote:
    "The pen is mightier than the sword"
    Here is a wikipedia link for that quote below.
    The pen is mightier than the sword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Amazing? Yes, it shows the power of technology.

    But let's give it some time to pan out before deciding whether it's ultimately a good or bad thing. That being said, I really hope it's a change for the better.

    All the best,
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    An eyeopener for people who don't understand the REAL reasons governments want to control their population's online abilities. Attempts at control of connectivity anywhere on the globe should be stopped as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    According to Reuters:

    Mubarak's Assets Frozen By Swiss Government:

    Story here...

    Mubarak's Assets Frozen By Swiss Government
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    We should also take our hats off to the Egyptian military for not going loco on it's own people and their peaceful protests.

    They made it clear very early that they were not going to harm the protesters in any way.


    Also...

    Their head of the military just happened to be in Washington when the protests erupted.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "The fact that so many people could succeed in such a revolt without violence."

    "Anderson Cooper, who was attacked twice bringing the events to the US media is more a "hero" "

    I see a contradiction here.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "The fact that so many people could succeed in such a revolt without violence."

      "Anderson Cooper, who was attacked twice bringing the events to the US media is more a "hero" "

      I see a contradiction here.
      That's because the protesters were not the violent ones. Mubarak's pro supporters (paid thugs) started the violence. The anti-protesters had little choice but to protect their ground, which had been peaceful until they arrived on the scene.

      Mubarak's men were spreading lies that the American media people were there to "sleep in their women's beds", "seduce their husbands,"and other stupid threats. The people turned on the media because they believed those threats.

      Other than those few days when the pro- team were there, the entire event was 90% peaceful. As one newscaster reported, the only chaos was being caused by Mubarak. The people had already demonstrated democracy right there in the square.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "The fact that so many people could succeed in such a revolt without violence."

      "Anderson Cooper, who was attacked twice bringing the events to the US media is more a "hero" "

      I see a contradiction here.
      The people who attacked Anderson and initiated the violence were the bad guys sent by pro Mubarak forces to intimidate the protesters and the press.
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    I understand what you both are saying, but violence is violence. This event did not occur without violence.
    This event did occur with minimal violence.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I understand what you both are saying, but violence is violence. This event did not occur without violence.
      This event did occur with minimal violence.
      The point was that the anti-protesters led a non-violent revolt. They could have created havoc, attacked the palace, the government buildings, the military... but even at their angriest, they did not. The marched. They chanted. They waved banners. They constantly reminded each other to keep the peace.

      The fact that Mubarak turned it ugly was not their fault. It wasn't their idea and if he had not done what he did, it would not have been violent. They did not incite the violence. For that, they deserve a lot of credit.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Other notable events on February 11th...

    2006: American VP accidentally shoots friend in a hunting accident.

    1990: Nelson Mandela released from prison.

    1990: James "Buster" Douglas KOs Mike Tyson to win heavyweight boxing crown.

    1979: 43 million watch "Elvis!" on ABC.

    1979: Iran's premier Bakhtiar, one of many replacements for the Shah resigns, Ayatollah Khomeini seizes power.

    1965: Beatle Ringo Starr marries Maureen Cox.

    1961: Trial of Adolf Eichmann begins in Jerusalem.

    1960: Jack Paar walks off his TV show.

    1953: President Eisenhower refuses clemency appeal for Rosenberg couple.

    1945: Yalta agreement signed by FDR, Churchill and Stalin

    1932: 73 degrees F highest temperature ever recorded in Cleveland in February.

    1861: President-elect Lincoln takes train from Spingfield Illinois to Washington D.C.

    1809: Robert Fulton patents steamboat.

    1531: Henry VIII recognized as supreme head of Church in England.



    See more here if you like...

    February 11 Events in History
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'm not sure the whole story has been told yet. Pictures like this make me think there are some things we haven't been told. And why are they celebrating Mubarak's downfall in Iran?

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Dennis,
      And why are they celebrating Mubarak's downfall in Iran?
      You do realize, I hope, that there's no way to discuss that point without getting into real politics?

      As in, the kind that turns a few otherwise sane and highly intelligent people here into screaming fanatics?


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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Dennis,You do realize, I hope, that there's no way to discuss that point without getting into real politics?

        As in, the kind that turns a few otherwise sane and highly intelligent people here into screaming fanatics?


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        Paul,

        That was rhetorical, I wasn't really looking for anyone to answer or trying to start a discussion about it. It was just my way of pointing out that things may not be as they seem. I hope for the best, but my view is wait and see, time will tell.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        As in, the kind that turns a few otherwise sane and highly intelligent people here into screaming fanatics?
        OH YEA? WELL...

        YEA BUT...

        FIRST OFF...

        FOR YOUR INFORMATION...

        I give up...
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I'm not sure the whole story has been told yet. Pictures like this make me think there are some things we haven't been told. And why are they celebrating Mubarak's downfall in Iran?

      http://media.jsonline.com/images/650*487/mjs-cairoy.jpg
      I believe that was when the pro-Mubarak people were lobbing molatov (sp?) cocktails at the anti-protesters.

      And I agree. You can be certain there's far more to the story. As far as the Iranians, they didn't like Egypt, so maybe they see this as an opening for them. Or maybe they are Egyptians.

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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Dennis,You do realize, I hope, that there's no way to discuss that point without getting into real politics?

        As in, the kind that turns a few otherwise sane and highly intelligent people here into screaming fanatics?


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        Paul, you are absolutely correct.


        Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

        I believe that was when the pro-Mubarak people were lobbing molatov (sp?) cocktails at the anti-protesters.

        And I agree. You can be certain there's far more to the story. As far as the Iranians, they didn't like Egypt, so maybe they see this as an opening for them. Or maybe they are Egyptians.

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        Sylvia, you are really off target on this,but as Paul said, can't be discussed without going into serious political discussion.
        As it is, I really
        think this thread has already strayed far from Kay's orginal intent.
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Paul, you are absolutely correct.



          Sylvia, you are really off target on this,but as Paul said, can't be discussed without going into serious political discussion.
          As it is, I really
          think this thread has already strayed far from Kay's orginal intent.
          Don't know what you mean, but consider this:
          With the deposition of Saddam, Iran found a major obstacle to its expansion removed. This gave Iran a good chance to emerge as a major player in the Middle East....

          Iran could find allies in Arab world comprising Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. On the other hand some Arab states including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and United Arab Emirates united against Iran, which are supported by the U.S..

          In 2010, leaked diplomatic cables revealed that Mubarak expressed animosity toward Iran in private meetings, saying the Iranian leaders are "big, fat liars", and that Iran's backing of terrorism is "well-known". According to one American report, Mubarak views Iran as the primary long-term challenge facing Egypt, and an Egyptian official said that Iran is running agents inside Egypt in an effort to subvert the Egyptian regime... (source:Iran)
          I don't think it needs further explanation to see why Iran might be so happy. At the very least, maybe Iran sees it as a divide between Egypt and the U.S.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I'm not sure the whole story has been told yet. Pictures like this make me think there are some things we haven't been told. And why are they celebrating Mubarak's downfall in Iran?

      http://media.jsonline.com/images/650*487/mjs-cairoy.jpg

      Their revolt was recently put down by force.

      Maybe regular Iranians are just happy for the Egyptian people and/or happy that someone, anyone on the planet has broken away from their repressive leadership.


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    • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      And why are they celebrating Mubarak's downfall in Iran?
      This is only a guess, but I think they see it as a decline of western influence in that area, a possible shift in the balance of power.

      One thing is for certain though, a power vacuum exists now and there will be a mad dash to fill that vacuum.

      It would be interesting to see the flow of cash and logistics into that country now, and where it's coming from. That's what's going to determine the future of that country, I'm afraid.
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin W
        This whole turn of events has really been amazing. Just last week I was watching with horror as they showed people catching on fire from molotov cocktails on Live TV. A week later, the people of Egypt are celebrating. 30 years of rule brought down in 18 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    1932: 73 degrees F highest temperature ever recorded in Cleveland in February
    2011: 69 degrees F in Cairo, Egypt. (don't know if it's significant, but it's warmer than it is here.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

      2011: 69 degrees F in Cairo, Egypt. (don't know if it's significant, but it's warmer than it is here.
      My family & I vacationed in Egypt in December of 2009 and most days were 70-80F but it was cool ( 55-65F ) at night.

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      • Profile picture of the author Ken
        For those who reside not only in Arab nations but in all others
        in which change is coveted, the success of the Egyptian revolution
        has shown how it should be done.

        No car bombs and martyrs blowing up thousands of innocents, just
        a Ghandi like determination. No fear of repression replacing repression.

        This shows the true power of the written and spoken word over the sword.

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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        My family & I vacationed in Egypt in December of 2009 and most days were 70-80F but it was cool ( 55-65F ) at night.

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        Still warmer than here. Today for the first time in months the temperature got up to 25 F. in the day. Night much colder, obviously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Let's not confuse Iranians with the Iranian government. Most of the people of Iran are as pro-western as any people in the Middle East. Unfortunately, the majority isn't in charge of Iran.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Just to put events into perspective, this began when a street vendor set himself on fire to protest "Egypt's inequitable and disrespectful social climate". One man ignited the angry hearts of those who agreed with him, but didn't have the courage or means to speak out.

    Congrats to the Egyptian people - transformation is possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Just to put events into perspective, this began when a street vendor set himself on fire to protest "Egypt's inequitable and disrespectful social climate".
      CORRECTION:

      The street vendor who set himself on fire was actually in Tunisia. A similar "revolution" to the one that happened/is happening in Egypt also happened in Tunisia a couple of weeks ago.

      The Tunisian event was the catalyst for ripples that will be, or are being felt across the Middle East, including Egypt.
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  • Profile picture of the author stumpy
    I was never any fan of Mubarak. After all he was a dictator. However, I predict that the future of Egypt will be a lot like Iran with less freedom and more oppression for most of the people.
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  • Profile picture of the author sean-john
    Its good to see this turned out good so far,
    but this could have ended very badly with the president
    going power crazy and doing something he would regret.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think some are confusing events in other countries with what happened in Egypt. Considering the events and the numbers of people involved, the deaths and injuries were amazing low. I was worried last night when Mubarak failed to announced his departure - guess he just couldn't say those words so someone had to say them for him today.

      It will take time and then we'll see how it works out. When replacing a dictatorial regime where martial law has been in effect for 30 years - I'd say it will probably be an improvement even if there are rough spots.

      Could it be after wars and diplomacy and blockades - that communication will be the tool to spread democracy and peace in the mid-East? Wouldn't that be a hoot?

      The bank stories may be true - Mubarak has been rumored for years to have amassed a huge fortune plundering the wealth of his country - while so many of the people were in poverty. It's possible there is money that belongs to the country and the people.

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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    It is hard for me to imagine Egypt's future. The country is a fascinating mix of modern and ancient. Serious overpopulation and strong family ties. Outside the major metropolitan areas, far too many children are not getting higher education. Not that many years ago, Egypt educated anyone whose grades indicated they could succeed. Unfortunately this led to Egypt's number one export being a brain drain.

    They have many obstacles to navigate. Not the least of which will be self serving foreign influences. While turning the government over to the military was probably the most orderly means of starting the transition, I can't help but think the last 55 years of rule in Egypt has been by military men. Egypt is no stranger to political upheaval. But it was never so transparent on the world stage in modern times.

    I will be watching long after the Egyptian Revolution is no longer the flavor of the month. I have many loved ones in Egypt and I am excited at the possibilities the future holds for them. Egypt is a remarkable country and its people are incredibly resilient and warm hearted. I have often thought of retiring there but the political climate was hard for me to trust. Now perhaps I will be spending my golden years there after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    It seems to be spreading to Yemen now:

    Yemeni protesters demand president quit | The Australian
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    Today is the Day of Cleaning. Volunteers are in the streets working along side paid workers. They are sweeping and removing or painting over graffiti. Ruined cars are being towed out. They say today they are cleaning Cairo and they will clean the whole country. Such pride is astounding. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it.

    Can't help thinking about Woodstock and other examples where large numbers of people have gathered and left their messy footprints. Another proud day for Egyptians.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

      Today is the Day of Cleaning. Volunteers are in the streets working along side paid workers. They are sweeping and removing or painting over graffiti. Ruined cars are being towed out. They say today they are cleaning Cairo and they will clean the whole country. Such pride is astounding. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it.

      Can't help thinking about Woodstock and other examples where large numbers of people have gathered and left their messy footprints. Another proud day for Egyptians.
      Normally I would agree with you, but that grafitti will probably just be redone. Maybe they should wait a bit. Unless they have cameras and guys that are willing to arrest the culprits.

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    Paul,

    I heard about an interesting connection relating the two based on date. I won't go farther. I also could say more about what heysal said, but some would scream gwt, so I won't.

    I DO wish we knew everything about this though. Even disregarding ANYTHING ANYWHERE else! The power of a government lays in respect, peace, and the power of enforcement. Mubarak OBVIOUSLY doesn't have respect or peace. Without the military, he has no enforcement. So WHAT is ALLOWING him to stay there?

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    The French Revolution was inspirational. However, what immediately followed it was ugly. The Egyptians have a lot of work ahead of them to make it work.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "The fact that so many people could succeed in such a revolt without violence."

      "Anderson Cooper, who was attacked twice bringing the events to the US media is more a "hero" "

      I see a contradiction here.
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I understand what you both are saying, but violence is violence. This event did not occur without violence.
      This event did occur with minimal violence.

      Not a contradiction at all. First, the comments were made by two different people. I made the comment in red.

      More importantly, there are/were two different actions:

      1. The revolution - Which was peaceful.

      2. The attempted supression of that revolution - Which had some violence.

      IMO, it's important to distiguish between the two.

      And, this doesn't take into account that "peaceful" is a relative term, that does not mean totally without any violence.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Not a contradiction at all. First, the comments were made by two different people. I made the comment in red.

        More importantly, there are/were two different actions:

        1. The revolution - Which was peaceful.

        2. The attempted supression of that revolution - Which had some violence.

        IMO, it's important to distiguish between the two.

        And, this doesn't take into account that "peaceful" is a relative term, that does not mean totally without any violence.
        I was/am taking the literal meaning of the words Kurt. Being spoken by two different people does not change the meaning.
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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I was/am taking the literal meaning of the words Kurt. Being spoken by two different people does not change the meaning.
          We can play word games all day long, but this isn't a contradiction, as there are two different events. One with violence, one without.

          Words spoken by two different people likely have different meanings and in this exact case, the two people were speaking of different acts.

          Plus, this isn't a legal contract, it's a casual conversation. You can take things literally, or you can take them as they were intended. The burdon isn't entirely on the writer, the reader should also assume that everything posted shouldn't be taken literally.

          Like I said, "peaceful" is a relative term, and this is surely one of the most peaceful revolutions we've ever seen throughout history. If you disagree, please post your examples. I already posted Ghandi and India's peaceful revolution...Your turn.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Now the Italians seem to be getting in on the act .

    Silvio Berlusconi | Demonstrations over women's dignity

    Berlusconi is rumoured to be seeking exile in the Playboy mansion.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Perhaps this is one for the tinfoil hatters, but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

    This article claims that the reason for Mubarek taking 18 days to step down was he was busy during that time making sure the massive wealth he had amassed was "untouchable".

    Egypt: Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune - Telegraph
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Perhaps this is one for the tinfoil hatters, but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

      This article claims that the reason for Mubarek taking 18 days to step down was he was busy during that time making sure the massive wealth he had amassed was "untouchable".

      Egypt: Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune - Telegraph


      I mentioned the same thing to my wife about a week ago.

      The Swiss have already moved against him but he is also reported to own outright, expensive properties all over the world.


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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I actually think that it was the "lack" of the communications and internet that caused this thing to mushroom out of control for the Government. When it first started growing they shut down the Internet. Many people in Egypt have no where else but the internet to make money. So many people that would have been working, had nothing else to do but hit the streets. Not to mention any modern shops there in Cairo that took credit-cards would be crippled by shutting down the internet.

    So basically what was intended to squelch the crowd actually had the opposite effect. Shutting down the Internet there I believe was the catalyst.
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  • Profile picture of the author oliviasmith
    I'm not sure about this news i heard, Saudia Arab Government has offered Mobarik to come to their country as a refugee? Any idea about this guys?
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      Originally Posted by oliviasmith View Post

      I'm not sure about this news i heard, Saudia Arab Government has offered Mobarik to come to their country as a refugee? Any idea about this guys?
      It wouldn't be unprecedented. For example, Idi Amin lived in Saudi Arabia as a wealthy refugee for many years until his death.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Iran protesters are giving it another try after Egypt's peaceful revolution. Good luck to them.

        Iran Protests: Hundreds Of Thousands March, Tear Gas Fired
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          Next ... Yemen, Albania, Jordan, and even Saudi Arabian leaders are looking rather askance ...
          There are nascent uprisings spreading in the region due in large part to online social networks.
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        It wouldn't be unprecedented. For example, Idi Amin lived in Saudi Arabia as a wealthy refugee for many years until his death.
        Didn't know about Idi Amin thanks for the information.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Looks like Libya is the next cab off the rank.

    Persistent, but unsubstantiated rumours are going around that Gadaffi(sp?) has already flown the coop to Venezuela.

    I'd imagine at this time that the "owners" of a certain oil rich kingdom are going through reams of toilet paper at the moment.

    Domino effect anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Apparently Gaddafi hasn't left Libya.

    This one isn't like Egypt though.

    Apparently an air strike was called on the protestors, but the pilots refused to strike their own citizens. Some of them flew to Benghazi and joined the protestors, and some of them flew to Malta.

    Good for them.
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