Don't drink so much water

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An accidental discovery about kidney damage from drinking too much water. Interesting to read since we get bombarded with so many opinions going the other way.

Drinking too much water called latest threat to health

"If you go on the Internet you'll get at least 500 hits on how healthy it is to drink as much water as humanly possible," Clark said. "Some health magazines recommend people drink a minimum of 12 to 15 glasses of fluid per day."

But Clark said flushing the kidneys doesn't help kidney function.

Even doctors believe the medical myth that people should drink at least eight glasses of water a day, according to an article published last month in the British Medical Journal, which traced the notion back to a 1945 recommendation from the U.S. Nutrition Council.
  • Profile picture of the author bilzz
    yes also doctors said drink daily 12 to 16 glasses of water is good for health ,,
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  • Profile picture of the author guptaarun
    What, doctor advice that drink a lot of water.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    What gies in, must come out,one way or another. The kidneys can be overworked by those who think they must intake fluid every minute they are awake.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleIT
    Oh well, anything in excess kills...Just do things in moderation
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  • Profile picture of the author ConsumerBoard
    just drink when you are thirsty,, whats the fuss???
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    • Profile picture of the author Gijsbertus
      '' Don't drink and drive ! '' :confused:

      Seriously: maybe there are different ''volumes'' to ''swallow'' per continent, here in Europe, doctors say to drink at least 2 litres of water per day
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      • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
        This is an unusually difficult article to read. Comments about the original study are mixed in with the accidental discovery. Here are some of the parts just about not drinking water.

        The researchers measured urine protein levels from 2,253 adults who
        later attended a follow-up clinic annually between 2003 and 2005.

        Clark noticed many had increased protein excretion in the urine. The
        condition causes progressive loss of kidney function.

        After excluding diabetes or any other explanation for the problem, "we
        still ended up with 100 people who had no explanation whatsoever," he
        said. On average, they were excreting almost three times the normal
        rate.

        Treatment was simple, Clark said. "When they drank less water, the
        problem went away."

        "This was something we've never conceived of. It's not reported
        anywhere," Clark said.

        And he doesn't think the data is unique to Walkerton. "We're drinking
        lots of water, and people think it's healthy."
        Personally I read something specific about drinking at least 2 liters of water a day awhile back and tried it. Most days I found even that unpleasant to do (and didn't) so after about 5 days I just gave it up.

        It's neat that just by following what you feel, you might be ahead of popular and medical opinions.

        Of course this is just one study and it's easy to argue against but just from the info in the article, I'd be willing to put money on it holding up. If it is true then it's also funny that even doctors were talked into the 'drink lots of water myth' without even a study to back that up. Just because of a lot of uninformed 'web health expert opinion' repeated a million times.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by ConsumerBoard View Post

      just drink when you are thirsty,, whats the fuss???
      Because apparently if you feel thirsty you are already in the first stages of dehydration.

      Me, I drink a lot of water and I usually still feel thirsty, I have dry, dehydrated skin and yet I probably drink more water than anyone I know. I always try to get at least my 8 glasses a day and more if I'm doing some strenuous exercise.

      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW the average male urinates about 3 times a day, and the average female about 4. if you aren't doing more than that, DON'T WORRY! Taking too much vitamin B, too much protein, too much water, etc.... CAN increase the number of times you urinate.
      I find that really interesting if they drank the required 6 to 8 glasses a day and only urinate that much - I drink lots but 4 times a day going to the toilet isn't much at all. I think water just goes straight through me!
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

        Because apparently if you feel thirsty you are already in the first stages of dehydration.

        Me, I drink a lot of water and I usually still feel thirsty, I have dry, dehydrated skin and yet I probably drink more water than anyone I know. I always try to get at least my 8 glasses a day and more if I'm doing some strenuous exercise.



        I find that really interesting if they drank the required 6 to 8 glasses a day and only urinate that much - I drink lots but 4 times a day going to the toilet isn't much at all. I think water just goes straight through me!
        Well, I used to drink when I was thirsty, or out of an addiction to coke, etc... I only went about 3 times a day, but my urine WAS yellow. I went on one of those scales that measures hydration, and it was LESS than 50%. To tell you the truth, I ALWAYS have to drink a lot of water to get it up to 100%, and the urine is more clear. Today, I am trying to take in some relatively pure protein as part of my nutrition, and just from THAT, I get about 120oz of water.

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246909,00.html

        It says she drank about 2 gallons, or at least google says it DID. BTW, for the record, I know I have drunk as much as 1.5 gallons in a day, and I believe I drank like 2.25. One gallon is about 128oz. From my little formula, that should be good for a person that weighs about 183pounds. And SHE drank a gallon in less than 4 hours. I think I drank about half as much in that time. So SHE drank about 2 gallons in less than 8 hours. I drank less, and it took me about twice as long. SHE couldn't urinate, and I could. Apparently, they titled this "hold your wee for a wii". Translation for foreigners. Wee is short for Wee Wee which is a baby word meaning urine. Wii was a then popular gaming console, worth about $250.

        BTW I had no problem drinking that much, I just didn't want to drink any faster. But I weighed more, etc...

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        • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Well, I used to drink when I was thirsty, or out of an addiction to coke, etc... I only went about 3 times a day, but my urine WAS yellow. I went on one of those scales that measures hydration, and it was LESS than 50%. To tell you the truth, I ALWAYS have to drink a lot of water to get it up to 100%, and the urine is more clear. Today, I am trying to take in some relatively pure protein as part of my nutrition, and just from THAT, I get about 120oz of water.

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          It says she drank about 2 gallons, or at least google says it DID. BTW, for the record, I know I have drunk as much as 1.5 gallons in a day, and I believe I drank like 2.25. One gallon is about 128oz. From my little formula, that should be good for a person that weighs about 183pounds. And SHE drank a gallon in less than 4 hours. I think I drank about half as much in that time. So SHE drank about 2 gallons in less than 8 hours. I drank less, and it took me about twice as long. SHE couldn't urinate, and I could. Apparently, they titled this "hold your wee for a wii". Translation for foreigners. Wee is short for Wee Wee which is a baby word meaning urine. Wii was a then popular gaming console, worth about $250.

          BTW I had no problem drinking that much, I just didn't want to drink any faster. But I weighed more, etc...

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          Oh my gosh that's terrible. Why would you risk your life just to get a stupid Wii!
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post


        Me, I drink a lot of water and I usually still feel thirsty, I have dry, dehydrated skin and yet I probably drink more water than anyone I know. I always try to get at least my 8 glasses a day and more if I'm doing some strenuous exercise.
        Sounds more like a deficiency in Omega 3 fats than dehydration. Women often confuse need for oil and moisture in their skin care. Ya might want some VitD3 and calcium to go with the Omega 3.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Sounds more like a deficiency in Omega 3 fats than dehydration. Women often confuse need for oil and moisture in their skin care. Ya might want some VitD3 and calcium to go with the Omega 3.
          Yeah, Skin obviously haas an oil component. Vitamin D is OIL soluble, and made by the skin, and the skin is supposed to be relatively waterproof.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Basically, you are supposed to get approximately .7 times your weight, in pounds, in ounces of water. So, since I weigh about 280, I should get about 196oz. that is about 6 liters of water a day. The average person requires roughly half as much, or maybe 98. And that is for EVERYTHING! So even eating a hamburger helps fulfill the requirement. 8 glasses of water is about 64-128oz, depending on the size of the glass. Even with 64, that leaves 34 which you can probably get through your solid diet. EVen BREAD has SOME, meat does, carrots do, and who could argue about peas, grapes, corn, etc... It all adds up.

    If you are bigger, it means more is needed for chemical reactions, and you may breath faster or deeper, sop more is needed there. And the surface area is larger, so more is lost via sweat, etc...

    Basically, the kidneys help remove excess water and various water soluble toxins. SO, if you drink too little water, your kidneys will be exposed to too much poison, and could get hurt. MOST such damage will HEAL! If you drink WAY too much water, your kidneys have to work harder needlessly. And 6 liters sounds like a LOT, but when you take into account the wind, evaporation, breathing, general chemical reactions, sweat, AND diluting poisons, it really isn't that bad.

    BTW the average male urinates about 3 times a day, and the average female about 4. if you aren't doing more than that, DON'T WORRY! Taking too much vitamin B, too much protein, too much water, etc.... CAN increase the number of times you urinate.

    But people HAVE died from drinking WAY too much water, even before you could determine if they had kidney damage!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Could it be all the fluoride and other crap in the water that's causing the kidney problems?
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    • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Could it be all the fluoride and other crap in the water that's causing the kidney problems?
      In my experience, the people carrying around designer label type of water bottles are not drinking tap water, so I wouldn't expect that. Usually it's pure spring water, glacier water and that sort of stuff. (Perrier for example.) And they just have to sip from them every few minutes.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Could it be all the fluoride and other crap in the water that's causing the kidney problems?
      Yep, could be.
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      • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
        Most bodybuilders don't even drink that much lol...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ernie it's worse than that. Some companies in AU are dumping lead and arsenic, etc into your water and calling it "fluoride" just to keep from having to pay toxic disposal fees. Happens in the US sometimes, too, but people are watching things pretty close up here now.

    Water -- Who are these researchers?

    Dehydration is a dangerous state and there is one heck of a lot of people who are chronically dehydrated. You can see the effects of poor irrigation and you can feel them. If you are fatigued a lot, you may just be dehydrated. If you are dehydrated enough to be fatigued, you need to drink no matter what some guy in a lab says.

    If your urine is yellow or smells strong you aren't getting enough water to wash the toxins out of your body - and those toxins can mess with your kidneys and everything else in your body, too. Toxins in circulation or that harbor in a part of your body cause disease, syndromes, and if they lodge in your brain you've got a lot of fun in store for you.

    Why aren't you SWEATING? Not every drop you drink is supposed to go through your kidneys. You are supposed to SWEAT some of the liquid out of your system. Sweating is one of your main toxin removal systems. You don't need to be ringing wet to sweat. A lot of new climbers will get dehydrated on the slopes because they don't realize how much they are sweating and dehydration can kill you when you're out there in some terrains. If you are in the desert you might drink a whole gallon in an hour and a half - walking at 110 degrees most of that liquid never even gets to your kidneys.

    People look at one thing or another but fail to realize themselves as synergistic systems. You need water but if you are sitting in front of the computer 24/7 drinking your 8 glasses a day, it's not cycling normally - it's all going through your kidneys. Drink enough to keep your urine clear to light yellow and EXCERSIZE some of it out. If you are chronically fatiqued or your skin is dry and wrinkled, you need to drink more no matter what some guy in a lab says. That is a dangerous piece of information to put out without any context. There are a LOT of people getting ill from chronic dehydration. You need sufficient irrigation - but you also need to get off your duff and exercise excess water out of your pores where it's supposed to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Regardless of that "study", I'd rather drink 6 - 8 glasses of water a day than 4 - 6 bottles of Diet Pepsi, like a few people I know.

    Me, I drink when I am thirsty. And sometimes when I THINK I am hungry but know I am not because I ate only an hour before
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Regardless of that "study", I'd rather drink 6 - 8 glasses of water a day than 4 - 6 bottles of Diet Pepsi, like a few people I know.

      Me, I drink when I am thirsty. And sometimes when I THINK I am hungry but know I am not because I ate only an hour before
      That's an important factor in weight control. Sometimes when you are thirsty your body signals will cross and make you feel hungry instead. People with weight problems should always drink a glass of water when they are hungry and wait around a half hour to see if they are still actually hungry or whether they were just thirsty.
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  • Profile picture of the author MusclecarJ
    for every study published there is another study published stating the total opposite opinion.. some times science is conflicting. i say drink when your thirsty..and water was all anyone drank for thousands of years..how bad could it be. Soda on the other hand.....
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  • Profile picture of the author stevmark008
    I still don't believe it! I thought is very good in our body. I don't know if the study is really true. Anyway, thank you for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarapark1
    I have a lot of trouble drinking the recommended amount of water/fluid. Now that I have heard about this study I don't feel as bad about not drinking all that amount. On average I drink two avg water bottles full a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I think one thing people aren't looking at here is the article is talking about drinking way too much water - not the recommended daily amount. You still NEED to drink the recommended daily amount and it is unhealthy if you don't!

    This is talking about people drinking around 18 glasses of water a day - too much! It isn't saying that you don't need to drink water or that you shouldn't drink the recommended 6 to 8 glasses a day! So don't go using an article like this to justify to yourself that you're ok that you don't drink enough water!
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  • Profile picture of the author MrPolarZero
    for real? I thought drinking lots of water is good for one's health. Hey, this is kind of confusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    Are you sure the kidney damage is from drinking water? I know soda can destroy kidneys or chlorinated tap water, but pure water is good for the kidneys because it flushes out excess waste.
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  • Profile picture of the author kbnor
    Found it very interesting to take a look at the book 'Your Body's Many Cries for Water' by Dr. Batmanghelidj. Based upon the hundreds of reviews, for example on Amazon, one would think that there is something to it... Dr. Batmanghelidj notes that it's very important to add a certain amount of electrolytes or (healthy) salts each time we drink water - water alone was not sufficient to achieve his amazing results with water.
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  • Profile picture of the author oliviasmith
    Well I drink a lot of water and it is working fine for me but you shouldn't drink a lot of beer that's harmful!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You know, Sarah DOES make a good point. The "hold your wee for a wii" campaign killed/injured people because of things like an electrolyte imbalance. It had NOTHING to do with the kidneys. And YEAH, drinking a lot of water can TAX your kidneys, by having them do more work, but will that actually HURT them over the long run? AND, like kbnor said, you CAN drink a lot more water by keeping the electrolytes. That is what they originally tried to do with gatorade. Supposedly, Gatorade actually works pretty well. It got its odd name because it was supposed to AID a Football team in Florida. They were named the GATORS!

    The kidneys, as they are generally known, have only TWO functions. They remove excess water, and remove toxins from the blood. YEAH, I know, they do other things like create EPO also, but that is beyond the scope here.

    BTW the electrolyte deal AGAIN isn't perfect. Drinking too much water can ALSO rob your body of nutrition. In theory, too much water can give you scurvy, beri beri, and pellagra, to name a few. Of course, that would take a LOT of water over many weeks or months, to be noticed.

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