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People around the world should peacefully put an end to this evil cancerous and destructive entity. Monsanto is evil.

http://www.naturalnews.com/030967_Monsanto_evil.html
http://www.groovygreen.com/groove/?p=2921
http://powerpointparadise.com/blog/2...-investigates/
http://happyfood-funnyfarm.blogspot....an-i-ever.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...icle_13123.cfm
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
    I agree 100%

    I don't think people get it, and when they finally do, it will be too late
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I understand greed, but I what I don't understand is, don't the people at Monsanto have wives, husbands, kids and/or grandchildren that they care about more than money?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tashi Mortier
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I understand greed, but I what I don't understand is, don't the people at Monsanto have wives, husbands, kids and/or grandchildren that they care about more than money?
      Some people's minds are just that twisted that they don't care more about anything than money.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I understand greed, but I what I don't understand is, don't the people at Monsanto have wives, husbands, kids and/or grandchildren that they care about more than money?
      If only it WERE that simple. THAT alone could prevent wars. NOPE, it is purely SELF gratification.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        If only it WERE that simple. THAT alone could prevent wars. NOPE, it is purely SELF gratification.
        I NEVER said it was SIMPLE. I said I don't understand it. And I DON'T understand it, since I would NEVER sell out anyone, let alone my own FAMILY just to make a few extra dollars.

        And your post did NOTHING to help me UNDERSTAND it.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I NEVER said it was SIMPLE. I said I don't understand it. And I DON'T understand it, since I would NEVER sell out anyone, let alone my own FAMILY just to make a few extra dollars.

          And your post did NOTHING to help me UNDERSTAND it.
          The ONLY thing I can think of is that they figure it could take DECADES before it affects them and that THEN they will likely be dead. I'm sure if people lived centuries or more, but were still subject to such health problems, they would be FAR more careful. HECK, most people that start and control wars are isolated from them pretty much. These people feel isolated by time.

          Sorry if you felt my post was worthless, and I guess you then see this one as worthless as well.

          BTW I never said you said it was that simple. In a very real way I was agreeing, and elaborating. I see this on four levels:

          1. They gain control and money.
          2. They affect other crops, perpetuating #1
          3. It affects their friends and family, etc...
          4. It may affect THEM before they die.

          All THEY think about is #1 and #2.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Monsanto Is Evil
    Yes they are, TB. Yes, they really are.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    For those "non-readers" in the crowd - check out The Future Of Food if you want to see more about the evil giant.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    MONSANTO, in my belief is one of the three most dangerous threats to life on earth. But hey, they have big money and lots of pals so they are going to continue to be allowed to destroy ecosystems - (read: everything they come in contact with) for a long time. Some European countries are getting M out by illegalizing GMO food. Here in the US the answer is to raid organic producing farms at gunpoint. If some MSM news reporter got an attack of brains and fortitude at the same time they could get enough news out real fast to cause a worldwide wave of fury and get that company stopped. (read: we need this to happen but it ain't gonna).
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      MONSANTO, in my belief is one of the three most dangerous threats to life on earth. But hey, they have big money and lots of pals so they are going to continue to be allowed to destroy ecosystems - (read: everything they come in contact with) for a long time. Some European countries are getting M out by illegalizing GMO food. Here in the US the answer is to raid organic producing farms at gunpoint. If some MSM news reporter got an attack of brains and fortitude at the same time they could get enough news out real fast to cause a worldwide wave of fury and get that company stopped. (read: we need this to happen but it ain't gonna).
      Yeah, look at that corn. If I ran the oversight, I would say they could get rid of the female part of the plant *****ONLY***** if they got rid of the male part, etc... That they could otherwise do nothing to stop the creation of perpetually viable seed. But they left the male part probably to contaminate the other corn. HECK, the corn probably grows quicker than the other corn which means that it would be the first to have the ability to pollinate the other. This is kind of the plant variant of the african bee variant, and we KNOW how THAT is going. The african queens arrive earlier so they can kill potential challengers and make the hive more like pure african bees. So the nice obedient and docile european honey bee is on its way to EXTINCTION!
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      People, please educate yourselves.

      Monsanto: Winning the Ground War
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        People, please educate yourselves.

        Monsanto: Winning the Ground War
        That article brings up some good points. A LOT of people are alergic to a LOT of things. In theory a person COULD understand how to modify the plants, etc... if they were ****VERY**** intelligent, knew EVERY chemical reaction, and knew ALL chemicals and their various reactions. Alas, nobody is that smart, nobody knows all the chemical reactions, and nobody knows all the related reactions, and those last two may be slightly different for EVERY person on the planet. And they CERTAINLY don't know the chemicals in the fruit that will come from the plants.

        So people that are NOT alergic to corn may be alergic to the NEW corn AND, if they are, may find they have become alergic to the old corn.

        Look at those idiots that made that artificial tryptophan. It was SLIGHTLY different. MAYBE it worked in some people, WHO KNOWS!?!?!? All we know for sure is that it killed DOZENS and the FDA OUTLAWED it for a LONG time! All because some stupid japanese company used a GMO to increase yield! DOZENS DEAD, and that happened in the EIGHTIES, as I recall. Some may say but THAT was a LONG time ago. Well, I am hearing about VERY new research about rather basic things on the bodies reacton to OLD and COMMON chemicals. Funny, I hear LITTLE about cures to alergies. MOST alergies are DEVELOPED! The people are born WITHOUT them. So why isn't there a cure?

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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        People, please educate yourselves.

        Monsanto: Winning the Ground War

        After reading the article you posted the link to, this line glared out at me:

        "Monsanto seeds contain genes that kill bugs and tolerate weed-killing pesticides. So they are much easier and cheaper to grow than traditional seeds."

        read those 2 sentences again and let the implications really sink in...

        and then this:

        "Hostility toward GMO foods continues to be widespread in Africa and parts of Asia and Western Europe. This type of persistent opposition is one reason why the investment research firm Innovest Strategic Value Advisors, which gives companies a type of credit rating based on their strategic risk profile, assigns Monsanto a "CCC" grade--its lowest possible mark. "Monsanto is basically saying that its products are very well regulated and therefore safe," says Heather Langsner, director of research for Innovest. "It's a lot more murky than that." "

        it's murky, alright!
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

          After reading the article you posted the link to, this line glared out at me:

          "Monsanto seeds contain genes that kill bugs and tolerate weed-killing pesticides. So they are much easier and cheaper to grow than traditional seeds."

          read those 2 sentences again and let the implications really sink in...

          and then this:

          "Hostility toward GMO foods continues to be widespread in Africa and parts of Asia and Western Europe. This type of persistent opposition is one reason why the investment research firm Innovest Strategic Value Advisors, which gives companies a type of credit rating based on their strategic risk profile, assigns Monsanto a "CCC" grade--its lowest possible mark. "Monsanto is basically saying that its products are very well regulated and therefore safe," says Heather Langsner, director of research for Innovest. "It's a lot more murky than that." "

          it's murky, alright!
          Ironically, growing in much of africa is HARD, they have LOTS of pests, and really NEED food, so the monsato claims should sound like a GREAT deal to them. They must REALLY hate the idea of GMO to turn it down.

          The CCC rating may be one reason why they are almost REQUIRED in the US!

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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Ironically, growing in much of africa is HARD, they have LOTS of pests, and really NEED food, so the monsato claims should sound like a GREAT deal to them. They must REALLY hate the idea of GMO to turn it down.

            The CCC rating may be one reason why they are almost REQUIRED in the US!

            Steve
            The most effective way to prevent and control agricultural pests is through such means as genetic diversity of crops, not mono-crops which are particularly vulnerable to pests. It is common knowledge. Agricultural practices in the United States are primarily about enriching Monsanto by monopolizing agriculture while compromising the interests of farmers, good farming practices, and consumers.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        People, please educate yourselves.

        Monsanto: Winning the Ground War
        Frankly, you're the one who needs to educate himself rather than taking the word of a corporate infomercial.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Typical conspiracy theory tactics.

          If you disagree with the source...question the source. If the source doesn't agree with your pre-conceived notions, then it must be a bad or corrupt source. Yet, those who hold the opposing view are accused of being closed-minded, when the conspiracy theorist is the pure definition of being closed-minded. Can anybody say "hypocrisy"?

          But what if that article IS true?

          Just askin'

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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            Typical conspiracy theory tactics.
            No, abundantly documented. Easy to find for anyone who genuinely wants to know.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              No, abundantly documented. Easy to find for anyone who genuinely wants to know.
              Whatever. .

              You really don't see it do you?

              Really?

              How are some of your sources not "infomercials" themselves? Let's see...what are THEY promoting? What would THEY have to gain by cutting down Monsanto? Some of them are PURE opinion pieces, and barely qualify as that.

              HOWEVER...I am NOT saying I am pro-Monsanto, just that I see the same typical nonsense being hurled around. I know I'm in the minority here, but seriously.

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              • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                Whatever. .

                You really don't see it do you?

                Really?

                How are some of your sources not "infomercials" themselves? Let's see...what are THEY promoting? What would THEY have to gain by cutting down Monsanto? Some of them are PURE opinion pieces, and barely qualify as that.

                HOWEVER...I am NOT saying I am pro-Monsanto, just that I see the same typical nonsense being hurled around. I know I'm in the minority here, but seriously.

                All the best,
                Michael
                I read that article. Sure, some of the articles to which I linked are opinion pieces. So what? If someone were to ask me, what sources are reliable in researching Monsanto, I'd present a different series of links. I do believe that Monsanto is highly destructive. I took exception to someone's condescending reproach to educate ourselves, then providing an article that amounts in substance to an informercial. Someone dishes it out, I dished some back, and you whined on his behalf and even resorted to some name-calling that neither I or the other guy engaged in. Boo hoo hoo

                Monsanto is evil. That is my opinion. If someone wants to figure out whether Monsanto is good or not, read both sides to the argument, using reputable sources, not opinion pieces pro or con nor corporate informericals.

                I state my opinion, but make no claims that I should be considered a reputable source. I can point my finger to the cesspool. One can choose to analyze my finger or look at the stinking cesspool.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                Whatever. .

                You really don't see it do you?

                Really?

                How are some of your sources not "infomercials" themselves? Let's see...what are THEY promoting? What would THEY have to gain by cutting down Monsanto? Some of them are PURE opinion pieces, and barely qualify as that.

                HOWEVER...I am NOT saying I am pro-Monsanto, just that I see the same typical nonsense being hurled around. I know I'm in the minority here, but seriously.

                All the best,
                Michael
                I've SEEN the bills, and some other stuff, and the result of some GMO stuff, like the tryptophan scare. So there is ENOUGH truth in it that nobody here has overstated it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Greg Wildermuth View Post

    I live in Japan where they have strict laws about chemicals, genetically altered food, etc etc (although we do import food from China... scary!), and from what I've read Europe is standing up to all this madness too, but when I went back to the US last year, I got the impression nobody cares. Everybody I talked to was like, "science makes things better for us; we can feed the starving masses with GMO food that may or may not cause chromosome damage, infertility, etc. who needs studies to prove anything?"

    Does it seem like US folks, who are largely eating the stuff, are a little.. I dunno, apathetic?

    Here in Japan it seems like a given that if you mess with nature, it turns into something evil and kills you. Maybe it's all the Godzilla movies...
    Can I be a bit frank? ***********************BULL**********************

    Our tryptophan problem was traced to JAPAN!

    From wikipedia:

    Showa Denko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Showa Denko K. K. (昭和電工株式会社, Shōwa Denkō Kabushiki-gaisha?) is a leading Japanese chemical engineering firm.
    ...
    In 1989 an outbreak of Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome causing the death of 37 people and permanently disabling 1500 more was attributed to the use of Tryptophan. Some epidemiological studies[1][2][3] traced the outbreak to L-tryptophan supplied by Showa Denko.[4] It was further hypothesized that one or more trace impurities produced during the manufacture of tryptophan may have been responsible for the EMS outbreak.[5][6] The fact that the Showa Denko facility used genetically engineered bacteria to produce L-tryptophan gave rise to speculation that genetic engineering was responsible for such impurities.[7]
    BTW

    Eosinophilia–myalgia syndrome (EMS) is an incurable and sometimes fatal flu-like neurological condition that is believed to have been caused by ingestion of poorly produced L-tryptophan supplements.[1][2] Similar to regular eosinophilia, it causes an increase in eosinophil granulocytes in the patient's blood.[3][4]
    Now, wikipedia talks about something that is simply not true. If it were, many people would have died earlier, and would be dying now. ALSO, it would have had an obvious, and not unusual pattern. I watched a documentary on this and the spoke of SEVERAL areas using gas chromatography with several samples, and seeing an unusual impurity. So there is lots of evidence that the idea of metabolites being responsible, ESPECIALLY histamine, is just crazy.

    Still, they used GMO bacteria! And asians are definitely different from others so even if they tested 100% of their population, which we ALL know they didn't, there is still a chance others could be affected. They really shouldn't have done it.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Calling an issue a "conspiracy theory" is nothing but a way to avoid the issue. The destruction that MONSANTO is doing is documented by anyone who researches that isn't paid directly by that company (or some of its hidden subsidiaries). When I have time, maybe I'll pull up the document about the 1,500 farmers in India who committed suicide because of that company's mafia style strongarming techniques that were forcing them to plant crops they didn't WANT to plant and didn't want to eat.

    Also - this company was SUING farmers - WHY? - because their GMO crap spread and infested farmers natural crop plants - and MONSANTO was Suing them for patent violations. Know what happened? It went to court and all the sudden researchers were on the issue and found that MONSANTO's patented poison vegies can't be contained and spread. In other words - if you can find a court and lawyers who are honest enough the farmers can now sue that company if their crap infests their fields. OF course, if you are an organic farmer if you mess with that company you may just end up with feds at your door pointing guns in your face and raiding your facilities. This type of terrorism is becoming well known to organic farmers. ANd if you hit google, you will find articles about places this is happening.

    There is no conspiracy theory in this issue -- - but there is one hell of a lot of money to keep independent research stiffled.

    And through it all - there was ONE judge who is on the ball enough to illegallize GMO sugar beets because of independent research that showed the true nature of the issue. Go tell the judge he's a conspiracy theorist. I'm sure he'll be impressed that someone read a MONSANTO produced article.

    In Europe they WERE starting to grow GMO's -- but they did their homework and kicked MONSANTO to the curb. Over in the US the press won't even talk about the issue from the view of any research that isn't directly from that company --- but now that super weeds are growing and disrupting even MONSANTO's farmers some agencies are standing up and taking notice. We might have some hope left.

    And you can thank the prices of your real food on MONSANTO seed prices which have doubled the price of food production.

    For all of you who LIKE what MONSANTO is doing and think it makes sense -- there's a LOT of their food out there. Be my guest to go ingest all of it you want. Once you are gone from the subsequent side effects the rest of us will have so much more bull-horn worthy research to use to get the company shut down while we still have natural food of our own (and an actual ecosystem) to survive on.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      When I have time, maybe I'll pull up the document about the 1,500 farmers in India who committed suicide because of that company's mafia style strongarming techniques that were forcing them to plant crops they didn't WANT to plant and didn't want to eat.
      I'll save you the time. The number many quote is actually 200,000!

      "200,000 farmers have ended their lives since 1997."

      "Four hundred billion dollars in subsidies combined with the forced removal of import restriction is a ready-made recipe for farmer suicide. Global wheat prices have dropped from $216 a ton in 1995 to $133 a ton in 2001; cotton prices from $98.2 a ton in 1995 to $49.1 a ton in 2001; Soya bean prices from $273 a ton in 1995 to $178 a ton. This reduction is due not to a change in productivity, but to an increase in subsidies and an increase in market monopolies controlled by a handful of agribusiness corporations."

      "The region in India with the highest level of farmers suicides is the Vidharbha region in Maharashtra -- 4000 suicides per year, 10 per day. This is also the region with the highest acreage of Monsanto's GMO Bt cotton. Monsanto's GM seeds create a suicide economy by transforming seed from a renewable resource to a non-renewable input which must be bought every year at high prices."

      "Cotton producers in the US are given a subsidy of $4 billion annually. This has artificially brought down cotton prices, allowing the US to capture world markets previously accessible to poor African countries such as Burkina Faso, Benin, and Mali."



      Here's the story which has the quote about Indian suicides and the other quotes above:
      Vandana Shiva: From Seeds of Suicide to Seeds of Hope: Why Are Indian Farmers Committing Suicide and How Can We Stop This Tragedy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Fair enough.

    Typical TINFOIL HAT tactics!

    Better?

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Anybody that wants to see what corporations, in general, are trying to "own",

    should watch a documentary called The Corporation (IMbd link)

    The shear greed and gaul of what Big money is trying to own and patent is surreal.


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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Anybody that wants to see what corporations, in general, are trying to "own",

      should watch a documentary called The Corporation (IMbd link)

      The shear greed and gaul of what Big money is trying to own and patent is surreal.


      Jim
      Food Inc. is also a good documentary to see on the topic. It shows how widespread and pernicious Monsanto's influence is. Scary stuff.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I'm kidding, of course.

    There are clearly causes for concern. However, I also think GMOs could help solve a lot of the hunger problems around the world. Whether that's done by Monsanto or another outfit isnt the main issue for me.

    The problem is automatically banning the very foods that could really help. Perhaps some of that could be mitigated by changing the way such plants are managed.

    Either way, things are NOT as bad as the anti-Monsanto crowd says; nor as they as sweet and rosy as the pro-Monsanto side says.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I'm kidding, of course.

      There are clearly causes for concern. However, I also think GMOs could help solve a lot of the hunger problems around the world. Whether that's done by Monsanto or another outfit isnt the main issue for me.

      The problem is automatically banning the very foods that could really help. Perhaps some of that could be mitigated by changing the way such plants are managed.

      Either way, things are NOT as bad as the anti-Monsanto crowd says; nor as they as sweet and rosy as the pro-Monsanto side says.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Did you not "get" Karen's post -- think about the implications?

      Know how MONSANTO crops fight bugs? The plants CONTAIN the pesticides. That means if you chow down on MONSANTO GMO soybeans or corn that you are eating LARGE doses of some very deadly pesticides. These get into soil and water supply that can devastate resources. And conversely - there is no evidence that can be found outside of MONSANTO literature that the crops are solving any food supply issues.

      Well........none other than the fact that they do enough damage to the people that actually ingest the stuff that the food can result in a LOT fewer mouths to feed and a lot more public money being lost to the medical/industrial complex.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


        Know how MONSANTO crops fight bugs? The plants CONTAIN the pesticides. That means if you chow down on MONSANTO GMO soybeans or corn that you are eating LARGE doses of some very deadly pesticides.

        How about fava beans? Do they make them too?

        I just had some fava beans with a good Chianti and somethin else...now I have heartburn...and an extra thumb...


        Damn you Monsanato...
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        • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
          To Everyone

          Here is a very cool Mount Satan ERRR.. I mean Monsanto video that I just got today!

          There is a retired EPA lawyer (I think) telling you what they are now making the farmers sign.

          You won't believe it!!!!!!!!!!
          Now a farmer won't even be able to sell his farm!

          Check out the video!!
          Then send this video to all your friends


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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Did you not "get" Karen's post -- think about the implications?

        Know how MONSANTO crops fight bugs? The plants CONTAIN the pesticides. That means if you chow down on MONSANTO GMO soybeans or corn that you are eating LARGE doses of some very deadly pesticides. These get into soil and water supply that can devastate resources. And conversely - there is no evidence that can be found outside of MONSANTO literature that the crops are solving any food supply issues.

        Well........none other than the fact that they do enough damage to the people that actually ingest the stuff that the food can result in a LOT fewer mouths to feed and a lot more public money being lost to the medical/industrial complex.
        No, Sal, I'm an idiot. Obviously. I mean that's the ONLY possible way I could see the POTENTIAL of GMOs, right?

        Don't worry, I get how the game is played. Ignorance runs deep on both sides of the issue. I'm simply asking for a balanced approach. I know, I know...Monsanto, Big Pharma, and fluoride in the water are all going to kill us, but after deacades of the same nonsense being spewed out...it still hasn't happened. Maybe that's why they need to keep shouting louder; as if sheer the sheer volume will make them right.

        LOL

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          No, Sal, I'm an idiot. Obviously. I mean that's the ONLY possible way I could see the POTENTIAL of GMOs, right?

          Don't worry, I get how the game is played. Ignorance runs deep on both sides of the issue. I'm simply asking for a balanced approach. I know, I know...Monsanto, Big Pharma, and fluoride in the water are all going to kill us, but after deacades of the same nonsense being spewed out...it still hasn't happened. Maybe that's why they need to keep shouting louder; as if sheer the sheer volume will make them right.

          LOL

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          Excuse me? It's not happening? Um........there are thousands of physicians, dentists and health organizations battling fluoridation because it IS happening - and in rather large amounts. Several hundred thousand deaths in the US alone yearly can be traced to syndromes and diseases that result from fluoride. Good reason for the fight to stop it don't you think? GMO's? Yeah - people ARE getting sick from them and animals being fed that stuff are getting sick and dying too - and That's why the commotion about it -- plus ecosystems are being threatened, and even NASA now understands what devastation even localized ecosystem communities can cause when damaged.

          The pure and simple fact is that almost every scientist in the world is trying to put ecosystems back together before WE cause total planetary extinction..........and politicians and corporations are continuing to destroy them because there's money in it.

          The planet is on orange alert and we are into the 6th great extinction. That is not conspiracy theory or something to think about - that is something that if not dealt with right away will be unstoppable in a decade. You want to see money fly? Take a look at scientific effort that's being mounted to stop it all. How much deliberation do you think we have time for before we stop poisoning everything we touch?

          Sorry - "not dead yet" only means some of us -- some have already been killed and more are to follow. Do we have to destroy every damned living thing before it's okay to try to stop nonsensical poisoning that has no purpose other than a few bucks in corporate pockets?

          Whatever.
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          • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Excuse me? It's not happening? Um........there are thousands of physicians, dentists and health organizations battling fluoridation because it IS happening - and in rather large amounts. Several hundred thousand deaths in the US alone yearly can be traced to syndromes and diseases that result from fluoride. Good reason for the fight to stop it don't you think? GMO's? Yeah - people ARE getting sick from them and animals being fed that stuff are getting sick and dying too - and That's why the commotion about it -- plus ecosystems are being threatened, and even NASA now understands what devastation even localized ecosystem communities can cause when damaged.

            The pure and simple fact is that almost every scientist in the world is trying to put ecosystems back together before WE cause total planetary extinction..........and politicians and corporations are continuing to destroy them because there's money in it.

            The planet is on orange alert and we are into the 6th great extinction. That is not conspiracy theory or something to think about - that is something that if not dealt with right away will be unstoppable in a decade. You want to see money fly? Take a look at scientific effort that's being mounted to stop it all. How much deliberation do you think we have time for before we stop poisoning everything we touch?

            Sorry - "not dead yet" only means some of us -- some have already been killed and more are to follow. Do we have to destroy every damned living thing before it's okay to try to stop nonsensical poisoning that has no purpose other than a few bucks in corporate pockets?

            Whatever.
            Personally, I don't think there would need to be deliberation amongst rational humans. We just need to stop corrupting, poisoning and destroying everything we get our hands on.

            Monsanto has nothing to do with ending famine, their only here as planned aid in control.

            Ending famine or providing free energy is child's play and the concepts could be laid out in an afternoon over lunch. Then 1-3 years for complete implementation depending only on budget.

            Giving the world free energy or massive amounts of good food is super, super easy. Getting beyond the corruption is difficult.

            Free is not profitable!

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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

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              Free is not profitable!

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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

              Personally, I don't think there would need to be deliberation amongst rational humans. We just need to stop corrupting, poisoning and destroying everything we get our hands on.

              Monsanto has nothing to do with ending famine, their only here as planned aid in control.

              Ending famine or providing free energy is child's play and the concepts could be laid out in an afternoon over lunch. Then 1-3 years for complete implementation depending only on budget.

              Giving the world free energy or massive amounts of good food is super, super easy. Getting beyond the corruption is difficult.

              Free is not profitable!

              Patrick
              See what I mean?

              If somebody disagrees, then they are stupid or irrational.

              Ugh.
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              • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                See what I mean?

                If somebody disagrees, then they are stupid or irrational.

                Ugh.
                Hi, I don't understand your comment. I hope I made no implication that I thought anyone was stupid ect..

                How do you feel that I implied that?

                My meaning was that real rational thinking humans would not even need deliberation. What could there possibly be to discuss?

                It's a question that you should not defecate where you eat? My dog won't even do that!

                I challenge you or anyone to show me one shred of evidence that clearly demonstrates Monsanto has ever come close to ending the shortage of even one food crop.
                They have not. I have made them an area of interest for about 20 years and have volumes of information on them.

                I can however show where they are taking once fertile farm lands and turning them into waste lands.

                If you're in favor of them without intimate knowledge of them you may wish to reconsider your position.

                Why?

                Any organization that would cause more than 300,000 farmers "globally" not just the ones in India to take their own lives warrants your obvious intellect to Mugwump and reexamine from a neutral position.

                Once all evidence is reviewed then initiate a stance from a solid, factually debatable position.

                This of course is no more than I would not ask but instead demand of myself.

                I am not concerned about agenda's we all have them. Just like opinions; if you say you don't have an opinion you have just espoused yours.

                What I am concerned with are facts.
                They have in fact done what I have mentioned earlier and in previous posts.

                Both common sense and logic would indicate that any company that would cause 300,000 people to take their own lives might just warrant further scrutiny.

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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I'm kidding, of course.

      There are clearly causes for concern. However, I also think GMOs could help solve a lot of the hunger problems around the world. Whether that's done by Monsanto or another outfit isnt the main issue for me.

      The problem is automatically banning the very foods that could really help. Perhaps some of that could be mitigated by changing the way such plants are managed.

      Either way, things are NOT as bad as the anti-Monsanto crowd says; nor as they as sweet and rosy as the pro-Monsanto side says.

      All the best,
      Michael
      I would like you to ponder a point.

      Millions of Monarch butterfly's dropped dead after eating GMO corn pollen in the Northeast on their migration.

      So, I have only one question:
      If it kills a bug how can it possibly be good for you???:confused:

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      However, I also think GMOs could help solve a lot of the hunger problems around the world.
      In the short term perhaps. But what of the long term implications?

      Junk food will cure someone's hunger in the short term, but you wouldn't, or at least shouldn't, make it a staple diet.

      Remember, Monsanto's motivation is not feeding people, or alleviatimg famine. Its motivation is making money. Nothing more, nothing less.

      BTW, Roaddog, "The Corporation" should be compulsory viewing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        In the short term perhaps. But what of the long term implications?

        Junk food will cure someone's hunger in the short term, but you wouldn't, or at least shouldn't, make it a staple diet.

        Remember, Monsanto's motivation is not feeding people, or alleviatimg famine. Its motivation is making money. Nothing more, nothing less.

        BTW, Roaddog, "The Corporation" should be compulsory viewing.
        Good question. But why assume the implications will be bad?

        Making money as a motivation is not evil. If they want to make money, then great. If they can, at the same time, cure famine as a result, then great.

        Now, there is a bigger issue, and you can blame Monsanto for it if you want. I am talking about unilateral bans on ALL genetically modified plants. There ARE scientists who do have wiping out famine as their motive, and large strides have been made, BUT because the anti-GMO crowd spreads their misinformation, the governments who could benefit the most have banned them totally - no questions - no attempts to understand the science.

        You know who's really evil? Those who are so anti-profit that they would rather see people die of starvation.

        Perhaps I will watch the movie that has been recommended. Does Netflix offer it on instant viewing?

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          Good question. But why assume the implications will be bad?

          Making money as a motivation is not evil. If they want to make money, then great. If they can, at the same time, cure famine as a result, then great.
          Making money as the sole motivation in an area like this IS evil! They should try to do it by lowering cost, lowering effort and/or creating a better product. NO other way!

          no attempts to understand the science.
          As I said, the science doesn;t exist yet and probably never will. Do you realize that there are at least 4 POPULAR vegetables that probably EVERYONE on this board has probably eaten at least 2 of. OK, I only ate 3 of the four. Go to almost any restarant in the US, europe, etc.... Most probably have two of them on nearly every item on the menu. For YEARS, people AVOIDED them because they belonged to a plant species KNOWN for being POISONOUS! So what are the symptoms of poisoning?

          dilated pupils, sensitivity to light, blurred vision, tachycardia, loss of balance, staggering, headache, rash, flushing, dry mouth and throat, slurred speech, urinary retention, constipation, confusion, hallucinations, delirium, and convulsions.

          Doesn't that sound TASTY!? SO, what are the 4 vegetables? POTATOES! TOMATOES! EGGPLANT! CHILIS! And the plant family is NIGHTSHADE! IMAGINE if those jerks tweaked a gene the wrong way. Who knows, maybe it wouldn't show its true colors until the fourth generation or ssomething.

          You know who's really evil? Those who are so anti-profit that they would rather see people die of starvation.
          YEAH, I would RATHER see a million, or even a BILLION, people die of starvation than to see billions or TRILLIONS suffer a fate of WHO KNOWS WHAT!!!!! And the million, or billion, that might have survived would succumb to the same fate ANYWAY!

          It is like the scifi flicks they have now where aliens end famine and war, and EVEN end disease and make peoplle live longer, only to find that they suffer some horible fate, mutate, or simply can't have kids. Look at the only twilight zone flick "to serve man". They end war, famine, and disease, but take the people on trips so that they can be SERVEd up as DINNER!

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Michael,

    The Corporation documentary is online here:


    I agree with you making money is not necessarily a bad thing. It's why we're all on this forum after all.

    One of the most misquoted quotes of all time is "Money is the root of all evil".

    The actual quote is "The love of money is the root of all evil".
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Michael,

      The Corporation documentary is online here:

      The Corporation

      I agree with you making money is not necessarily a bad thing. It's why we're all on this forum after all.

      One of the most misquoted quotes of all time is "Money is the root of all evil".

      The actual quote is "The
      love of money is the root of all evil".


      Ain't that the cryin truth....


      BIG difference....
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Ain't that the cryin truth....


        BIG difference....
        You're right, but do YOU know the difference? Money by ITSELF is not evil. But loving it SO much that you will do ANYTHING for it, regardless of the consequences IS! Monsanto had a lot of money. Little by little, it seems that their concern about consequences has vanished.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          You're right, but do YOU know the difference? Money by ITSELF is not evil. But loving it SO much that you will do ANYTHING for it, regardless of the consequences IS! Monsanto had a lot of money. Little by little, it seems that their concern about consequences has vanished.

          Do I know the difference? You better believe it...That's why I said cryin truth...That is one of the most misquoted sayings around...but see.. I went to the source...a long time ago...and checked
          And oh...there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding in the world because of the fact more people don't check the source of what they profess to believe in.

          But thanks for 'splaining.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    THANK YOU PATRICK!

    Sorry to shout, but that's the kind of stuff I was looking for. Quite refreshing, actually.

    Thanks again, and...

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      THANK YOU PATRICK!

      Sorry to shout, but that's the kind of stuff I was looking for. Quite refreshing, actually.

      Thanks again, and...

      All the best,
      Michael
      No, not shouting at all...
      Not taken that way. You have every right to ask for proof of anyone's claim or statement.

      Have a great day, evening!
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      • Profile picture of the author virtuose1
        It's the devil as Tabaco Industry Too
        all that is same mafia
        they only think in terms of money
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Patrick - feeding 7 bil has only been possible because it's been warm. We're coming out of the inter-galacial era now and as it gets colder crops are gonna become scarce. Land has become desertificated at the rate of millions of hectacres a year - Human caused destruction - and that land can't just be replanted. Desertification changes local climates, soil salinity and absorption, etc. It can be rebuilt with some technology Japan is now working on, but it's gonna take time and a LOT of money.

    Ever seen a crop that won't drown in a flood? Cooling means more water and stripped areas are going to flood (and have been already). There's not one damn thing that MONSANTO can do to keep their poisonous little creations alive in adverse climate conditions - the only thing they can do is render it poisonous to bugs - which puts more poison in the environment and will eventually endanger clean water supply, marine life, and everything that eats it. The problem is - they KNOW this. If the top levels of management, the corporate scientists, FDA heads, and legislators who allow that company free reign were forced to ingest major amounts of their own produce for extended periods to prove it is safe - that company wouldn't exist. Several scientists that used to work for them have blown whistles and said you couldn't pay them to eat food grown from MONSANTO seeds if you paid them to.

    The super weed problem they've now created might just be the ax that finally cuts through their armor. Hard to say. Other countries were able to expell them, but they've got people infiltrated through all levels of our government - and there are people all over that are short sighted enough to work for anyone who will give them a job. The real nightmare is the way they destroy any farmer who does not cooperate with them. The data they were using to destroy natural food farmers has already been proven false in court though, so that's another hole their armor. The judge who outlawed GMO sugar was another.

    That company is about the final link in the world power web. It's not going to go down easy, but if all the farmers were to ban together and refuse to buy their seeds, they will topple. And farmers are starting to fight back now. So is the public. More people every day are finding out the real facts and refusing to eat GMO food. Even ecologists are putting the kabosh on their corn as an ethanol plant and studying the extra benefits of grasses instead. They are losing their grip -- just not losing it fast enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      <snip>. Even ecologists are putting the kabosh on their corn as an ethanol plant and studying the extra benefits of grasses instead. They are losing their grip -- just not losing it fast enough.
      And algae as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Patrick - feeding 7 bil has only been possible because it's been warm. We're coming out of the inter-galacial era now and as it gets colder crops are gonna become scarce. Land has become desertificated at the rate of millions of hectacres a year - Human caused destruction - and that land can't just be replanted. Desertification changes local climates, soil salinity and absorption, etc. It can be rebuilt with some technology Japan is now working on, but it's gonna take time and a LOT of money.

      Ever seen a crop that won't drown in a flood? Cooling means more water and stripped areas are going to flood (and have been already). There's not one damn thing that MONSANTO can do to keep their poisonous little creations alive in adverse climate conditions - the only thing they can do is render it poisonous to bugs - which puts more poison in the environment and will eventually endanger clean water supply, marine life, and everything that eats it. The problem is - they KNOW this. If the top levels of management, the corporate scientists, FDA heads, and legislators who allow that company free reign were forced to ingest major amounts of their own produce for extended periods to prove it is safe - that company wouldn't exist. Several scientists that used to work for them have blown whistles and said you couldn't pay them to eat food grown from MONSANTO seeds if you paid them to.

      The super weed problem they've now created might just be the ax that finally cuts through their armor. Hard to say. Other countries were able to expell them, but they've got people infiltrated through all levels of our government - and there are people all over that are short sighted enough to work for anyone who will give them a job. The real nightmare is the way they destroy any farmer who does not cooperate with them. The data they were using to destroy natural food farmers has already been proven false in court though, so that's another hole their armor. The judge who outlawed GMO sugar was another.

      That company is about the final link in the world power web. It's not going to go down easy, but if all the farmers were to ban together and refuse to buy their seeds, they will topple. And farmers are starting to fight back now. So is the public. More people every day are finding out the real facts and refusing to eat GMO food. Even ecologists are putting the kabosh on their corn as an ethanol plant and studying the extra benefits of grasses instead. They are losing their grip -- just not losing it fast enough.
      You're so cute when you're ranting about your agendae (agendas?).

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