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Would you for £500 do these courses CIW & MCPD

by sibster
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Certified Internet Webmaster and Microsoft Certified Professional Developer if it was only going to cost you £500 (the cost will cost more but i only have to pay 500 towards it.)

If any one has done these courses I would love to here about them

Many thanks
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The CIW looks interesting. It IMPLIES it teaches what I think people should know about, BUT.....

    1. Use of normally unused and nebulous BUZZ WORDS! That really set my BS meter off!
    2. Incomplete and simplified examples. Like referring to DNS for protocols. Or taxes and international shipping for laws.
    3. References to tools like WYSIWYG products, and breaking them into multiple lines, such as GUI EDITOR.

    So I would say the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. Find some real professionals that TOOK them, and see what THEY think!

    As for the MCPD? Frankly, if they were ANY other company, this would be considered a joke. I mean certification for a proprietary product, when it was created for a field using standards and they are a minor player(OK, they have almost 1/3rd of the market, but the others have 70%+).

    Still, it looks like it may cover things there. So for an application that will run under IIS and/or use the .net products, it may be worthwhile.
    VB would be better in most cases.
    VC++ would be good for speed or trying to have SOME compatibility with standard code.
    ASP is generally web/IIS centric, though there is a unix/linux emulator.

    Steve
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    Thanks for the input. I think I will do it only as I cam getting it for a good price.

    Hey some quals are better than none eh lol

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by sibster View Post

      Thanks for the input. I think I will do it only as I cam getting it for a good price.

      Hey some quals are better than none eh lol

      Thanks
      Yeah,

      Like I said, there IS some value to them, even if most ends up being merely perceived. The CIW is geared towards the web and networking, obviously, but appears to mostly cover established standards. The MCPRD is, unfortunately, microsoft centric. But microsoft IS a big company and managed to get like 30% of the internet server market. And a lot of that stuff carries over to client/server.

      I tried to look at the sales pitches, and requirements, but a lot of this stuff is too large, etc... It is like going to a candy store, hearing they sell a LOT of great candy, and then finding out that it is ALL ROCK candy! And you wanted CHOCOLATE! Not exactly false advertising, but STILL misleading. So it is hard to tell as an outsider.

      I CAN tell you that their VB test at least covered SOME worthwhile areas. They DID cover areas they really shouldn't have. The SQL test was also good. I took them around 2000 or so. I was an MCSD for a time. On the web though, ASP is not that great, and VB at least WAS worse. I can't speak about now. VB moved from BASIC specific pseudo code to machine language to GENERIC pseudo code(that they NOW call "Common Intermediate Language"). And the CIL is what .net runs, so the languages all look the same in the end. But VB IS nice for making microsoft only software.

      Steve
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