The Super Hero Worlds Are Filled With Idiots

13 years ago

It isn't just limited to Super Heros...Ricky Ricardo can't ID his own wife wearing a fake mustache.

Plus, Superman wears his underwear on the OUTSIDE.

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David Maschke

13 years ago

And how did Wonder Woman keep her identity secret? Not much of a disguise if you ask me.

I once bought a copywriting course, and it had Paul Myers written all over it. Not much of a disguise on that one either, it must have had PLR at one time.

And kind of on topic, do they still make underoos?

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13 years ago

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rockinsnipe159

13 years ago

Superman is too awesome to be known and Batman disguises his voice when he talks so no one knows who he sounds like.

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Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago

Originally Posted by rockinsnipe159

Superman is too awesome to be known and Batman disguises his voice when he talks so no one knows who he sounds like.

You are kidding, right? :rolleyes:
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Jason Perez O'Connor

13 years ago

It's a show lol, we are supposed to imagine that its not noticeable.

I find silly things like this all the time, and it gets to me but eventually I just think, its not real, forget about it ;D.

For example a scene I found stupid watching the 2009 movie of starstrek was that when spock and the captain went into the enemy ship, at one point the captain is pinned. The guy had a gun to him and had no reason not to shoot him before he ran off due to the ship with the important stuff (I watch soo many movies I forget) to create black holes is stolen by spock. Then again, stupidly the enemy just happens to not shoot as the captain jumps to a ledge, and again is killed when he grabs him by the neck cuz the captain grabs his gun and shoots him.

Simple things like that which I just can't overlook xd

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

It's a show lol, we are supposed to imagine that its not noticeable.

I find silly things like this all the time, and it gets to me but eventually I just think, its not real, forget about it ;D.

For example a scene I found stupid watching the 2009 movie of starstrek was that when spock and the captain went into the enemy ship, at one point the captain is pinned. The guy had a gun to him and had no reason not to shoot him before he ran off due to the ship with the important stuff (I watch soo many movies I forget) to create black holes is stolen by spock. Then again, stupidly the enemy just happens to not shoot as the captain jumps to a ledge, and again is killed when he grabs him by the neck cuz the captain grabs his gun and shoots him.

Simple things like that which I just can't overlook xd

This reminds me of a great line in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly by Tuco (Eli Wallach)... "When it's time to talk, talk. When it's time to shoot, shoot!".

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whateverpedia

13 years ago

The best part in Batman (the TV show) was on the occasions that Alfred the butler had to play the part of Batman - no-one could tell the difference, despite Alfred having a pronounced British accent, being a lot slimmer build, and having a mustache.

Then again we post on a forum where people believe you can "Make $$$$$'s with no work involved".

So perhaps the SuperHeroWorld denizens have a better grip on reality than some here do.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Several thoughts come to mind...

- It took you 50 years for your intelligence to be insulted? I think you're just getting a little more cranky in your old age.

- Isn't the suspension of reality supposed to be part of the campy charm?

- How do you feel about all those *BIFF* and *POW* balloons on Batman when the dynamic duo was whooping bad boy butt?

- Are you going to get bugged about Wile E. Coyote falling 5,000 feet off a cliff and walking away from it next?

Steven, you are entertaining, and I mean that in a good way.

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bukriv

13 years ago

Stuff like these used to bother me all the time. And not just with superhero shows and cartoons, but also with soap operas. Because at the end of the day, it's all just entertainment. It's all good to me now.

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Hesaidblissfully

13 years ago

LOL. A comic book writer/artist was posed a similar question before and his answer went something like: "So there's a guy running around every night dressed up like a giant bat, beating up criminals, and his secret identity is the part you find hard to believe?"

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully

LOL. A comic book writer/artist was posed a similar question before and his answer went something like: "So there's a guy running around every night dressed up like a giant bat, beating up criminals, and his secret identity is the part you find hard to believe?"

That was dumb for him to say! They explained ALL of that!

1. The police KNEW he was a good guy!
2. It was night, and the costume was DARK.
3. He was VERY rich, so he could afford everything.
4. The car was fast and driven down an abandoned and blocked off road, and he could have had a camera on cross roads.

Of course there IS one nasty problem! The hot phone was OBVIOUSLY a LEASED LINE! So HOW did they have it installed? And YEAH, it COULD have been a radio, MAYBE, but THEN you could track the signal. AW HECK, I guess wayne COULD have made a deal with the telephone company to get a switch, but THEN they would know that BRUCE would know the next point to check.

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Brandon Tanner

13 years ago

Reminds me of the scene from The Fugitive when Harrison Ford is walking through the police station. The whole town is looking for him, yet somehow the 100+ police officers he walks past don't ever recognize him.

Of course there is a logical explanation in this case... everyone knows that if you jump off a 480 foot dam and survive, then you automatically get anti-detection powers that you can use at will.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner

Reminds me of the scene from The Fugitive when Harrison Ford is walking through the police station. The whole town is looking for him, yet somehow the 100+ police officers he walks past don't ever recognize him.

Of course there is a logical explanation in this case... everyone knows that if you jump off a 480 foot dam and survive, then you automatically get anti-detection powers that you can use at will.

ACTUALLY, you DO! If people think you are dead, they are less likely to keep looking, and more likely to discount someone that looks like you.

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Hesaidblissfully

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

That was dumb for him to say! They explained ALL of that!

1. The police KNEW he was a good guy!
2. It was night, and the costume was DARK.
3. He was VERY rich, so he could afford everything.
4. The car was fast and driven down an abandoned and blocked off road, and he could have had a camera on cross roads.

Of course there IS one nasty problem! The hot phone was OBVIOUSLY a LEASED LINE! So HOW did they have it installed? And YEAH, it COULD have been a radio, MAYBE, but THEN you could track the signal. AW HECK, I guess wayne COULD have made a deal with the telephone company to get a switch, but THEN they would know that BRUCE would know the next point to check.

Steve

His point was that people were willing to suspend disbelief for something that was impossible (a guy flying, shooting lasers from his eyes, blowing super freeze breath...a guy beating up armed criminals with his bare hands every night for years without getting killed or maimed himself), but their suspension of disbelief falls apart when presented with something that's just highly unlikely ("Hey, how come nobody notices that Clark and Superman are never around at the same time, and that they look almost the same?")

That said, in Batman's case, in the newer films, Bruce Wayne does put on a different voice when he's Batman.

The real reason that nobody realizes that Clark is Superman is simply that that's what the story requires. Superheros were originally marketed to kids in the 1930's and 40's with kid sensiblities. Of course as an adult in the early 21st Century, there are going to be things that seem unbelievable. If Superman were created today, then he'd probably wear a mask (and be an angsty teenage vegetarian vampire), but he wasn't, and so he doesn't.

It's like those sci-fi movies from the 50's. I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure being exposed to massive doses of radiation doesn't give people superpowers or make ants grow to 50 feet tall, but back in the 50's, radiation was this mysterious thing, and for the moviegoing public, it provided a plausible-sounding explanation of how mutants and giant monsters could be created. Nowadays, radiation sounds silly, so monsters and mutants are created by genetic engineering. Tomorrow it'll probably be nanotechnology or something.

Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the adventure. Why are the good guys in movies always such great shots, while the bad guys usually can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn at point blank range? Because the story requires it, and there wouldn't be much of an adventure if the good guy gets shot to death in the first 4 mintues of the movie. Well, unless the movie is Robocop.

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Kay King 13 years ago

Gotta agree with Kurt - I would've shot the people and made friends with the dog.

Steven - The main problem you have is not with the super heroes. The problem is you are no longer 10. We get old and fussy and stuffy - and we forget how we jumped and down when Batman roared out of the Bat Cave or how we wanted superman to hurry and save the day.

Go out into the woods (where no one can hear you) and laugh as hard as you can. You'll feel better
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully

His point was that people were willing to suspend disbelief for something that was impossible (a guy flying, shooting lasers from his eyes, blowing super freeze breath...a guy beating up armed criminals with his bare hands every night for years without getting killed or maimed himself), but their suspension of disbelief falls apart when presented with something that's just highly unlikely ("Hey, how come nobody notices that Clark and Superman are never around at the same time, and that they look almost the same?")

That said, in Batman's case, in the newer films, Bruce Wayne does put on a different voice when he's Batman.

The real reason that nobody realizes that Clark is Superman is simply that that's what the story requires. Superheros were originally marketed to kids in the 1930's and 40's with kid sensiblities. Of course as an adult in the early 21st Century, there are going to be things that seem unbelievable. If Superman were created today, then he'd probably wear a mask (and be an angsty teenage vegetarian vampire), but he wasn't, and so he doesn't.

It's like those sci-fi movies from the 50's. I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure being exposed to massive doses of radiation doesn't give people superpowers or make ants grow to 50 feet tall, but back in the 50's, radiation was this mysterious thing, and for the moviegoing public, it provided a plausible-sounding explanation of how mutants and giant monsters could be created. Nowadays, radiation sounds silly, so monsters and mutants are created by genetic engineering. Tomorrow it'll probably be nanotechnology or something.

Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the adventure. Why are the good guys in movies always such great shots, while the bad guys usually can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn at point blank range? Because the story requires it, and there wouldn't be much of an adventure if the good guy gets shot to death in the first 4 mintues of the movie. Well, unless the movie is Robocop.

Well, I guess I never read batman comics. I never saw lasers from the eyes, though that COULD be done, though it would be safer and easier from the chest, or freezing cold breath. And some people ARE lucky. And there IS a saying that luck favors the prepared.

As for radiation, I think that garbage was SPREAD by the "scifi" stuff. TECHNICALLY, that borders on science FANTASY! It is something KNOWN to be WRONG! In fact, radiation CAN control growth. Extreme radiation on the pitutary could kill it destroying the whole endocrine system, and the person would be a pipsqueak. A large, but small enough, amount, COULD cause tumors on the pituitary and create a giant. That HAS happened before. Andre the giant is one. Another is in the guiness book of world records under tallest woman and another under tallest man. But they were NOT fantasticly strong or 50 feet tall. andre the giant may have been strong, but he did work at it. But still, such radiation, as its name implies, is not targetted. You can't necessarily duplicate an effect.

BTW they HAVE started with nano technology. In stargate, the biggest enemy so far used, and was built on, nano technology. That is the same with ALL versions of startrek, except the ORIGINAL series. Even ENTERPRISE, which talks of a time BEFORE the first startrek, talks of the borg.

My favorite though is electricity and computers. They talk about computers blowing up if they have something too complex, and they shoot sparks, etc...? And electricity can give a person an aura and be stored to be used later? COME ON GUYS!

TRUE STORY! I once went to sleep. I was awakened before dawn by a strong buzz. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! The sky, which SHOULD have been DARK was a BRIGHT BLUE! NOT like it was day, but it was weird! It was like we were being invaded. There was then a noise, and a yellow flash. SO, what was it? A mylar balloon landed on some powerlines. Apparently it caused the blue aura, and the bzzzzz. The yellow was when a nearby gas tank blew up.

Maybe they should take things like THAT and put them in sci fi. It is odd, scary, etc... and REAL! But a person can only store a certain amount of power for a certain amount of time if the conditions are perfect and the first thing they do to cause a short is likely to drain it ALL, like touching a door! But that is because people can act like capacitors, NOT because they have the ability to THEMSELVES hold and use any great amount of electricity.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

This is something that has been bugging me (and I am sure a lot of other
people) for a long time.

Clark Kent takes off his glasses and becomes Superman and nobody can
tell it's Clark Kent.

Oh but it gets better. One episode of the classic 50s series, Superman loses
his memory. Clark, falls in the shower and hits his head knocking himself out.

And superman doesn't weigh like a billion pounds, or even a thousand, EVERYONE would know he is different, and buildings would collapse. So HOW could a mere fall knock him out while taking a shower? But I don't remember that episode.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Batman...Commissioner Gordon calls Batman and Bruce Wayne regularly on
the classic 60s show.

He can't tell they're the same voices?

Some people DO have similar voices!

Oh but it gets better.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

In one episode, The Green Hornet guest stars. In the episode, Bruce
Wayne and Britt Reed meet (supposedly old rivals) and Batman and The
Green Hornet also meet and speak.

This is a special circumstance. NEITHER can reliably test their idea without cluing the other in. Suppose they are WRONG!

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

And yes...even I can tell that it's Clark Kent without his glasses who's
flying around in that retarded costume.

HEY, that costume was supposedly made by his mother out of the fabric in the craft which was ALSO invulnerable. THAT is why the suit never gets damaged. That DOES lead to 5 questions though.

1. HOW did she cut, andd push holes, in the fabric to create it?
2. HOW does he get it cleaned?
3. How come in one episode, as I recall, there are several suits?
4. How was there SO much fabric in the craft?
5. Why doesn't fire cause the suit to tear at the seams?

Regarding the green hornet though, you missed one of the most obvious parts!!!!!!!!!!
One part that stook out like a SORE THUMB! HOW many caucasion men frequented with one asian guy with an asian accent, that acted like a subordinate? Only TWO in that world the green hornet and britt reed.

BTW one of the FIRST things people do today to find a criminal(and he supposedly WAS considered a criminal), is they compare associates. In this case, they find ONE set of people that meet the rarest criteria, determine the chance that they meet the rest of the criteria. If they are rare enough, or enough criteria can be matched to convince you, you bring them in for questioning.

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HeySal

13 years ago

I was getting pretty burnt on horror fiction for awhile. They always had the woman standing there stupidly like a cow screaming her lungs out and not making one damned move to save her butt. I mean...come on........I know we can press the bimbo button sometimes, but in life or death situations do we really act like that? How the hell do we ever handle emergencies and save our kids if all we can do is stand and scream for the big strong dude that may or may not show up in time?

Then all of the sudden Sigorna Weaver or whoever it was showed up in the swamp thing and picks up a milk jug and beans the monster with every damned inch of energy she has. I cheered. I loved her in other shows, too - like Alien, she took us out of era where women were portrayed as having less brains than a brontosaurus and the reflexes to match. I look back on emergencies like tornadoes and injuries and know I would have died several times over if all my mom could do is stand there holding her face and scream like a freaking air raid siren.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I was getting pretty burnt on horror fiction for awhile. They always had the woman standing there stupidly like a cow screaming her lungs out and not making one damned move to save her butt. I mean...come on........I know we can press the bimbo button sometimes, but in life or death situations do we really act like that? How the hell do we ever handle emergencies and save our kids if all we can do is stand and scream for the big strong dude that may or may not show up in time?

Then all of the sudden Sigorna Weaver or whoever it was showed up in the swamp thing and picks up a milk jug and beans the monster with every damned inch of energy she has. I cheered. I loved her in other shows, too - like Alien, she took us out of era where women were portrayed as having less brains than a brontosaurus and the reflexes to match. I look back on emergencies like tornadoes and injuries and know I would have died several times over if all my mom could do is stand there holding her face and scream like a freaking air raid siren.

I didn't like the alien series, but you have a point. There HAVE been other cases where the WOMAN saved the say or was the last one standing having FOUGHT all the way. The horror flick "joyride" There were TWO males. One was kidnapped, and spent most of the time TRAPPED. One was a lazy bum that really did LITTLE. In fact, HE was the one that initiated much of the hatred that got them in trouble. There were two women. One, though she did all the rest to initiate the hatred, went into a morgue to try to appear to satisfy one request. She and the other fought as long as they could. She ended up pinned.

The LAST woman freed her boyfriend, and destroyed the trucker's truck, apparently killing the guy. In the end though, he survived. 8-( Oh well, outside of her boyfriend, she was the ONLY one that was innocent, and shouldn't have had to deal with this garbage.

Final destination, friday the 13th, etc... There are a number where the women don't even scream and or save the day, or help others to.

Maybe they figure the scream adds something to the film. There is one film, I forget the name, where a guy is an audio mixer or some such. I believe his part was played by john travolta. He ends up recording his girl friend's, IIRC, scream. At the end, he adds it to a movie, because they couldn't get a good scream and the customer is listening to it LAUDING it while the other guy holds his ears in PAIN, realizing that he couldn't save her.

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ThomM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I was getting pretty burnt on horror fiction for awhile. They always had the woman standing there stupidly like a cow screaming her lungs out and not making one damned move to save her butt. I mean...come on........I know we can press the bimbo button sometimes, but in life or death situations do we really act like that? How the hell do we ever handle emergencies and save our kids if all we can do is stand and scream for the big strong dude that may or may not show up in time?

Then all of the sudden Sigorna Weaver or whoever it was showed up in the swamp thing and picks up a milk jug and beans the monster with every damned inch of energy she has. I cheered. I loved her in other shows, too - like Alien, she took us out of era where women were portrayed as having less brains than a brontosaurus and the reflexes to match. I look back on emergencies like tornadoes and injuries and know I would have died several times over if all my mom could do is stand there holding her face and scream like a freaking air raid siren.

The men too

I watched a movie last night where 2 girls and 3 guys where on an island that had a pack of wild 'intelligent' dogs that where trying to kill them.
One guy had a bow and a full quiver of arrows, yet he only shot 2 dogs and then only when they where attacking someone. They where in a cabin and at one point on the roof. Myself I would of asked for a fatty and start target practice on the dogs.
In another scene their pontoon plane was set to drift by the dogs. When one of the guys started swimming towards it, 2 dogs on the wing of the plane jumped in and started swimming towards him. He threaded water till they got close and then turned and swam back to the dock.
My thought was, let them get close then swim underwater to the plane

The guy that got it in the basement was good also:rolleyes: He heard a noise in the corner and instead of high tailing it up the stairs, went to investigate.
When he saw the dog he froze and screamed like a baby:confused:

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

The men too

I watched a movie last night where 2 girls and 3 guys where on an island that had a pack of wild 'intelligent' dogs that where trying to kill them.
One guy had a bow and a full quiver of arrows, yet he only shot 2 dogs and then only when they where attacking someone. They where in a cabin and at one point on the roof. Myself I would of asked for a fatty and start target practice on the dogs.

Sorry Thom, I just can't agree with you here...I would have shot the other people.

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ThomM 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Sorry Thom, I just can't agree with you here...I would have shot the other people.

Actually the first dog he tried to shot he missed and put the arrow through a girls leg
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13 years ago

IMO, Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz was a heroine. She's the one that killed both wicked witches (the first one accidently) and the one that stood up to the Wizard.

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Originally Posted by Kurt

IMO, Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz was a heroine. She's the one that killed both wicked witches (the first one accidently) and the one that stood up to the Wizard.

Did you know, they almost cast shirley temple in the role? I wonder how THAT would have looked!

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Lou Diamond

13 years ago

Hello,
I have a problem with all of the Star Trek series, why do they not have a million video cameras all over the place recording everything that goes on.
Then they would not have to wonder what happened to whom or when.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lou Diamond

Hello,
I have a problem with all of the Star Trek series, why do they not have a million video cameras all over the place recording everything that goes on.
Then they would not have to wonder what happened to whom or when.

EVERYTHING? That really wouldn't be possible. Can you imagine all the cameras you would need? And HOW do you hook them up? You can't use wireless, for reasons I'll mention, and wire would be too complex. Frankly, the heavier the ship, the bigger the engines must be. THAT means bigger shields, which means more power is needed!

And what about PRIVACY? What about SECURITY! AH YEAH, the wireless, could be a problem!

HEY, we have camera technology NOW! And look at all the problems we have NOW. NONE is based on limits of technology!

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13 years ago

There is only two solutions... 1.. better fiction... 2... more fiction...

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Bill Farnham

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sorry, but after 50 plus years of watching these "suspensions of reality" I've finally reached the point where I feel like my intelligence is being insulted.

That's the same thing I say to myself every other November...

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ahlexis

13 years ago

You are SOOOO right on the voice thing, Steve!

I get annoyed at the latest round Bank of America commercials that started to come out around the middle to end of the last season of 24. I mean, I can tell they hired "Jack Bauer" to tell us where and how to bank because I recognize the voice, and although I recognize several voiceover jobs of entertainers . . .

COME ON! The SUPERHEROES should be BETTER at this stuff than we mere mortals!

Although his voice is a lot gentler in the commercials than in his role as anti-terrorist federal agent, I suspect the people who hired Kiefer Sutherland were going for an authoratitive "You know you need to bank here" subliminal command of some sort or something. And the fact I recognize the voice kind of interferes with the commercial's message in my case.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ahlexis

You are SOOOO right on the voice thing, Steve!

I get annoyed at the latest round Bank of America commercials that started to come out around the middle to end of the last season of 24. I mean, I can tell they hired "Jack Bauer" to tell us where and how to bank because I recognize the voice, and although I recognize several voiceover jobs of entertainers . . .

COME ON! The SUPERHEROES should be BETTER at this stuff than we mere mortals!

Although his voice is a lot gentler in the commercials than in his role as anti-terrorist federal agent, I suspect the people who hired Kiefer Sutherland were going for an authoratitive "You know you need to bank here" subliminal command of some sort or something. And the fact I recognize the voice kind of interferes with the commercial's message in my case.

/RANT

A LOT of super heroes ARE mere mortals, and/or only get the attributes of the vector or gift. So peter parker couldn't imitate any better because spiders aren't known for that. Bruce wayne was a square mortal, and they aren't even known for deception.

That said, peter parker could have typewritten notes, and kept quiet. Bruce wayne could have used a voice masking device. That technology DOES date back several decades. Mechanical ones date back farther, and even peter could have used THAT.

As for recognizing the voice, it isn't perfect. You just THINK it is because some people have distinctive voices and end up on TV. They get KNOWN for qualities that MILLIONS may have! HUNDREDS may sound JUST like that person, but THAT is the only one you see.

The faster than the speed of light, and magical insignia creation that superman had in the movies made things LESS realistic, but they took liberties with the character. AGAIN though, I don't know how a multicolor logo was made with ONE cloth that was IMPERVIOUS to ANYTHING.

Steve

BTW there IS a scifi genre that takes this to the limit. It is called science fantasy!

Science fantasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I like the leadin!

A definition, offered by Rod Serling, is that "science fiction makes the implausible possible, while science fantasy makes the impossible plausible." The meaning is that science fiction describes unlikely things that could possibly take place in the real world under certain conditions, while science fantasy gives a veneer of realism to things that simply could not happen in the real world under any circumstances.

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Rick B

13 years ago

I think it's just indicative of fantasy stories that the characters are allowed to be less than observant.

Another example of this occurring in fantasies is when I dream of me and Katy Perry. She doesn't notice that I'm old and wrinkled and that's fine by me!